Gary Campbell was taken aback when he received word from Clark Summit University that he was being kicked out of the school, despite being just 6 credits shy of graduating. Apparently, officials at the small Christian college in Pennsylvania discovered a secret which led to their decision to dismiss him: Campbell is gay.
Since homosexuality is a clear violation of the school's faith-inspired student conduct policy, officials determined Campbell should no longer be allowed to attend classes there. But Campbell wasn't going to leave without a fight especially given how close he was to graduating. He appealed their decision, asking university officials to make an exception under the circumstances. He even offered to attend his remaining classes online so he wouldn't have to step foot on campus.
"I ask that you not view me only as a homosexual, but as a determined, compassionate, hard-working man who is of good moral character. My goal is to assist my community and help those who are struggling in the grip of addiction," Campbell wrote.
The school denied his request.
Seeking Justice
Frustrated by the way he was treated, Campbell is considering taking the school to court. But legal experts say he faces a tough road ahead. Private religious colleges so long as they don't receive any federal assistance are exempt from anti-discrimination laws such as Title IX. Barring other developments, it seems Clark Summit University is entirely within its rights to kick students out on the basis of their sexual orientation.
Christ-like or Cold-hearted?
As the details of this story came to light, critics were quick to ask the question: how Christ-like is it to expel a student because of who they choose to love?
Despite billing itself as a "Christ-centered institution" with an academic program built around the "Word of God," Clark Summit University seems unconcerned by charges that its actions go against common Christian values of compassion and help for those in need. If the Bible says homosexuality is forbidden, then that's that. To ignore this and allow a gay person to attend the school even just through online classes is out of the question, it seems.
As a private institution, laws protecting religious freedom allow the school to follow its convictions. However, that won't stop critics from forming their own opinions. "Judge not lest ye be judged," right?
**Sinner Standoff
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This incident is only the latest example of Christian values and gay rights clashing in the realm of education. You might remember the recent story of a Baptist teen whose parents refused to pay for his college tuition after he came out as gay. Other cases, however, have seen religious folks face consequences for their opposition to gay rights. Last year, a Christian student at a U.K. college was expelled after calling gay marriage "sinful" a decision that sparked considerable anger in religious circles.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Ben, Genesis explicitly states that the writers of Genesis said that "God said that He would destroy the world with a flood" and that "He would destroy Sodom and Gomorrah by angels", but, again, if I or anyone else should just accept what those people who wrote the Bible put into God's mouth as actually having been said by Him, then we would have to accept all of the prohibitions of homosexuality, wearing linen and wool together, eating shellfish, and all of the other things that these ancient Israelites thought were "good" ideas and that their "God would, of course, go along with" and so just put into His mouth, anyway, as "actually having come from and been said by God" and agree with all of these homophobes and right-wingers about "God's being against homosexuality", which is stupid!! I just don't accept that these people spoke for God or relayed His words correctly down to us in the world. Neither do many other people, nor does anyone else who actually thinks (and is able to actually think) about it for 10 seconds because it is absurd on the face of it and the deeper you look into it, the more ridiculous it gets!! I don't and wouldn't ever believe everything that just anyone would tell me that you Ben are saying or that famous people or Hollywood actors and actresses are saying in the pages of the National Enquirer without first hearing from you directly or going to these celebrities and finding out from them what they said or did and personally verifying all of that. So, why would I or anyone else just accept hook, line, and sinker whatever the writers of the "holy" National Enquirer (the Bible) said that their celebrity (God) said when I or anyone else can't go directly to Him and find out, as we could do with human celebrities, if he actually said that, and just have to take their word for it that "God said it"? That is stupid and anyone who would just take their word for it that "God said that" is in desperate need of being sold a bridge or some "prime Florida real estate" (swamp land) because they are the fit and obvious buying market for those things, too! SUCKERS!!! "If Jehovah/God/Yahweh isn't going to intervene for his worshippers, what good is he?". "He" is good for being the balancing factor in the universe and not any good at or, apparently, interested in being our cosmic Big Brother and going around thumping and smiting everyone who screws with any of his worshippers or drowning the entire human race, except for some people who built an Ark and were able to escape (another story in the Bible that I and other people don't believe) because if God ever really got started smiting and thumping people over us or who needed it, anyway, He would very quickly be doing nothing else all of the time and all of us would be constantly dodging lightning bolts or trying to avoid being swallowed when the earth opened up under us and there wouldn't have just been one "worldwide flood", but one after another, and a new seven plagues of Egypt every month or Tuesday and a constant stream of asteroids striking the earth and volcanoes around the earth constantly erupting and never dormant and earthquakes constantly and everywhere and everything else, including the kitchen sink, that "He" could throw at us!! All of that isn't happening, however much we might deserve it, because God isn't "the Almighty Smiter", as Bruce Nolan (Jim Carrey) described him in Bruce Almighty and as the Bible writers thought that "He" was, too, but is trying to just talk and reason with people and get them to think and decide for themselves to do the right thing and not have to beat it into them!! He isn't the cosmic Domestic Abuser or Child Beater, either, as some of our human fathers and husbands here on earth have been and as the Bible writers thought that "He" was, too. The cinematic portrayals of God that I think best fit what "He" must be like are George Burns in Oh, God! and Oh, God! You Devil! and Morgan Freeman in Bruce Almighty. Jesus said when Peter cut off the ear of one of the servants of those who came to arrest him: "Put away your sword! Don't you know that I could call legions of angels to defend me, but how then would the scriptures be fulfilled?". God isn't in the smiting business for Jesus or anyone else! That is why "He" could tolerate all of that crime committed in His name because "He" isn't going to try to beat people out of beating people, which is the theory behind capital punishment, too, and only teaches people that killing people is "right", or beat people at their own game, but get people to play "His" game! Yes .there is no greater book of atrocities: murder, rape, slavery, etc. than the Bible BECAUSE!! those people back then made "God" go along with them and order or sanction all of those things, the same as people are doing today (these homophobes, the terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon believing that "God through his spokesman Osama bin Laden was ordering them to do so", etc.), but none of that today or back then actually came from God! I'm already well into my next post and so I'll end this one here.
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flugo
'fartin': Where'd you get that warped, ambiguous and distorted definition of 'bigotry'? What a crock! 'Conformity to the world' has little to do with its definition!
You're way off half-cocked, as usual! If that's the best you can do, you'd better give up.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Flugo Marx, everybody, except you, obviously, knows that bigotry IS!!! worldly thinking and not Godly thinking!! So, bigotry is conformity to this world and "Be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind" means, obviously (to everyone but you!) don't go along with bigoted and prejudiced "thinking" against ANYBODY!!! else because of race, ethnicity, religion, sexual preference or any other reason, but go against that "thinking" and love and accept other people!! Anyone, such as you, who merely covers up your worldly "thinking" and agreement with bigots with a pretense of "Christianity" is the one who is really half-cocked, as usual, and your post here is proof that that is the truth about you!! If this is the best that YOU!! can do, you had better give it up!! It's not my fault that you can't figure out or admit to what every other sensible and honest person in the world (and even mentally challenged people!) can figure out and admit to!! You should definitely consult with the rest of the Marx family clan before you post your next reply here and see if they can't talk some sense into you and keep you from putting out another idiotic post like the one that you sent here!!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Flugo Marx, there is also nothing warped, ambiguous or distorted about defining bigotry as worldly thinking, which everybody (who is able to understand and know!!) already understands and knows that it is. Of course, to somebody such as you, who is warped, ambiguous and distorted yourself, it might seem to be that way. You won't even be able to understand this post that I'm putting in here or agree with it and so I won't, as Jesus said not to, "Caste pearls before swine, lest they turn again and rend you" or, as Proverbs 14:7 says "Go from the presence of a man, when you perceive not in him the lips of knowledge", which means "Don't waste your time talking with an idiot!".
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flugo
'tummy woes': You gotta be kidding! You said that 'God didn't hate.' You ought to read your Bible!
Many times in the Scriptures are mentions of His 'hating' ; His abhorrence; His wrath: Leviticus 20;23, Psalm 11:5, John 3:36, Proverbs 6:16-19, Malachi 2:16 . . . .just a few of many.
It'd be profitable for you to do your 'homework', before embarrassing yourself and others with your nonsense.
Good day.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Flugo Marx, many times in the Scriptures are mentions of human beings putting their words into "God's mouth" and saying that "He hates this, that or the other thing", but there are no mentions of God ever hating anything because God is love, as the actual (not man-made) word of God tells us. If God isn't a schizophrenic, He can't be love itself and also hating people and things and telling us to do the same, since that is a logical contradiction.
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Ben
God's actions speak louder then words. Namely the flood. He killed everyone, with a flood, except for one family. How is that love? His inaction is worse, namely how he ignored his chosen people (the Jews) during WWII. He's done nothing about the priests who not only break their vows of celibacy, but do so by raping children. He did nothing about the burning times when innocent women were tortured & murdered, by being falsely accused of witchcraft. That's bearing a false witness & murder. But heaven forbid that God made you gay, you'll suffer in life and death, because of God's sadism. By his actions, God is a monster. He and the Christian Right need to go.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Ben, if I don't accept the homophobia falsely ascribed to God as actually coming from God, why would I accept anything else that is falsely ascribed to God as actually coming from God? There is only a story about a flood in the Bible, which doesn't mean that it actually happened, but even if it did, that doesn't mean that God actually sent it to kill people. If the flood happened at all, it was just a freak occurrence of Nature because there isn't any God anywhere hurling lightning bolts down at people or opening up the ground to swallow them or sending floods to drown them! That is a myth and scapegoating God for natural occurrences and these ancient people's attempts to "explain" entirely natural events, the same as tsunamis, tidal waves, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, and volcanoes erupting today, which God isn't responsible for, either. If there is a God, he or it isn't micromanaging all events in nature or the world, but just letting nature take its course, Only if I accepted all of these natural events as coming from God would I accept homophobia as coming from God, which I will never do! God may be better than his press releases or than his "spokesmen" make him out to be and I see no more reason to scapegoat him or accept what other people are saying about him than I do for scapegoating Satan or accepting what other people say about him. As for God's not saving the victims of the Holocaust, he isn't going to make people's moral decisions for them, which is the only way that he could have stopped the Nazis from murdering the Jews and all of the other people that they could get their hands on! He isn't going to decide for these priests and make them not molest young boys and take away their right to decide that for themselves. He isn't going to decide for the Inquisitors and make them not burn "witches" at the stake and take away their freedom to decide not to do that on their own. He isn't going to make any of our choices for us, so that we don't have to make them for ourselves, because, if he did, then none of these problems would exist, that's true, but also that would just be his doing everything for us and our not doing anything for ourselves! If there is a God who loves us, he wants us to stand on our own two feet and make these decisions for ourselves and not require him to do our thinking and deciding for us and decide for ourselves not to molest children or rape women or burn "witches" at the stake or commit crimes against gay people or black people or anyone else because that is the only way that that would mean anything at all and prove anything about us and not just be God imposing his will upon us!! I agree with you that the false "God", as propagandized by right-wingers to support their agenda, needs to go and take them along with "Him", but just don't buy that they have correctly understood or portrayed the real God at all and don't buy all of the things that have been falsely ascribed to God as actually coming from Him. Their idea of "God" is a monster, but that isn't the real God! The true God loves and accepts gay people!
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Ben
John; If Jehovah/God/Yaweh isn't going to intervene for his worshippers, then what good is he? Genisis explicitly states that God said he was going to destroy the world with a flood. Sodom & Gemora destroyed by angels. Why would He tolerate all of that crime committed in his name (the Inquisition, the Crusades, the burning times, etc)? There is no greater book of atrocities: murder, rape, slavery, etc then the bible.
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Tammy Russ
The book has been rewritten how many times & the meaning of words were different many ages ago before any of us were ever thought of. Much less I believe God wanted us to love one another, not judge, be good people, treat others as you want to be treated & be selfless. No one will ever know full intent & the words of Jesus Christ because none of us existed & witnessed anything. People like to put the words in the bible in their own format to make it work for them & try to plant it on others. Unfortunately many are teaching hate yet call themselves people is God. God didn't hate. Good day
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John Owens
This is entertainment!
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Stephen A Masone
Wow , a 10,000 word esay that says nothing.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Stephen A. Masone, you and b0blf are two of a kind and the most "intelligent" things you can come up with in response to my post are "Whatcha smokin'?" and "a 10,000 word essay that says nothing" (you need to recount because it's definitely short of that number), preceded by your equally "brilliant" "Wow", because you don't have anything actually intelligent to say or to try to contradict (if you could, which you can't) my post here and so "hide" and reveal your ignorance at the same time by your stupid comments here!!! Either tell me why you think that gay people and black people are not both just people and are "really different species of creatures" (apples and cars) and so "don't deserve the same rights" or just don't reply at all, if you have nothing intelligent to say. Don't hide behind this idiocy!!!! As for the length of my post, it takes a lot of argument to fight stupidity!!! If you can't stand the heat or a reply to your post, stay out of the kitchen and the blog.
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John Owens
...and that was only a medium-length essay for him.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Once again, JO, you have proven that you ALWAYS!!! turn everything around on other people and make them, according to you, "compulsive liars", "deflectors", "evaders", etc., while never admitting to any of those practices and traits in yourself!! That is your interpretation of "I cannot be anything OTHER than honest", which, in anyone else, would be proof of their being an actual compulsive liar and not just one in John Owens' world and fantasy land!!! We all already knew that about you, JO, and it really wasn't necessary for you to demonstrate that any more, but thanks for testifying for the prosecution against you again!!! It is very sad to watch that in you, but that is just how you are and you will NEVER!!! stop or be able to stop being that way!!!
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John Owens
Once again, JP, you post your reply on someone OTHER than the person you are addressing, because you are so demented that you cannot think straight,. How have you managed to avoid some sort fatal accident?
Oh, and YOU are the liar, the deflector, the bigot, the hater. You should really consult a dictionary and learn the proper meanings and uses of words you throw around when you are lying and randomly calling people names with no reason at all besides the fact they don't agree with your convoluted logic.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Stephen A. Masone, gay people who want full equality and their rights and black people who want full equality and their rights are both people wanting full equality and their rights and that is all the similarity that they require in order to get that equality and those rights because one group's being black and the other group's being gay isn't enough of a difference, as far as their civil rights go, to actually make any difference. Gay rights are civil rights because they are part of the civil community, the same as black people are. People are people, no matter what their skin color or ethnic or religious or sexual preference or any other external or cultural differences may be. This saying that black people are in a "totally different category than gay people and we're not even talking apples and oranges here, but apples and cars" is something that the homophobes regularly say in order to "justify" their discrimination and bigotry against gay people "because why would gay people deserve the same rights as black people?" and separate bigotry into different groups, so that they can be "against" one kind of it (against black people), while being in favor of another kind of it (against gay people). All bigotry comes from the same place (ignorance!) and it is all of one piece. So, you can't have any of it without having all of it!!! We can stop at ALL!!! people getting their full human and equal civil rights, if they are respecting other people's rights and living civilly themselves. This, quite obviously, excludes pedophiles, criminals, and those who disrespect other people's rights and commit hate crimes because they forfeit their rights in a free community when they go to prisons or jails for their crimes. This isn't a contradiction because respect for others deserves respect from them in return and disrespect for others deserves disrespect from them in return and disqualification from participation in full civil rights and human equality. Outlandish scenarios of "Boy Scouts joining the Girl Scouts, Girl Scouts joining the Boy Scouts no men's clubs or women's clubs, eating pork in a Mosque and disrespecting their religious beliefs, pedophiles' just being 'accepted' and 'not discriminated against', homosexuality and gay marriages' leading to bestiality and marriages between humans and animals, and the ultimate collapse of Western civilization!!!", etc. ad nauseam are long practiced scare tactics of the religious right and homophobes, in order to frighten people into going along with their prejudices and agenda. Talentless people keep themselves from becoming actors or singers or basketball players without anyone's needing to discriminate against them because, even if they forced their way into it, they couldn't come up with the goods to sustain themselves in it. I'm not and nobody else is talking about unqualified people's being let into positions or pedophiles' ever being accepted by society (which they never will be!!!) or no private clubs for men or women or no REASONABLE!!! discrimination whatsoever in society (your favorite foods, restaurants, books, movies, people as friends, places to live or visit, and other things along those lines), but only about UNREASONABLE!!!! discrimination against people's being wrong!!!! It doesn't make any actual difference what your "reason" for discriminating against them is: because you don't like their color or don't like their sexual preference or don't like their religion or whatever, since the bottom line is still your discriminating against them and refusing to give them equal rights and human respect. Gay people love each other consentually and so can't reasonably be compared to pedophiles, who practice non-consentual behavior with their victims. Gay people in a private school don't cause anyone else in that school any problem whatsoever, but only those anti-gay people's feelings against gay people cause those people problems. So, they are doing that to themselves, and gay people shouldn't have to be kept out of a school or anywhere else just because of what homophobes do to themselves, anymore than black people should be kept out of a school because of how white racists feel about them. Gay people in a private school or anywhere certainly won't "bring down Western civilization", if that is your concern!
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flugo
Wow! Such a revealing, eye-opening, innovative and challenging post! Whatcha smokin'?
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Rev. John D. Partin
b0blf, what in the Hell are you smoking that makes you "think" that somebody who is talking about full and equal rights for ALL!!! people has to be "smokin' something"? Because your joint is certainly far more hallucinogenic and mind-altering and mind-destroying than anything that you "think" that I'm "on" and my "joint" is the same as the writers and enactors of the Bill of Rights were "smokin""!!! Yeah, really, what in the Hell are you smoking that makes you "think" that ALL!!! people "don't deserve equal rights" because that is really some bad-ass shit?!!! As for my post's being "revealing, eye-opening, innovative, and challenging" to you, you really don't have to worry about that, even in mockery, because NOTHING!!!! could ever open your eyes or reveal anything to you or be innovative or challenging to you, either, since the mind of a bigot is like the pupil of an eye: the more light that you shine upon it, the smaller it gets!!! Your "mind" is permanently CLOSED!!!! and practically NON-EXISTENT!!!! and so you can go on in your safe little cocoon of bigotry for the rest of your stupid life and never be disturbed by any truth or facts or reason at all and "thinking" that you are "right" and everyone who disagrees with you is "wrong", to your heart's content!!!! You and Stephen A. Masone are two of a kind: both hopeless IDIOTS!!!!
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flugo
Partin: 'All people deserve equal rights'? Where's your head? Be realistic for a change!
The masked gunmen invading your home . . . .they got equal rights to your space? The buck raping your wife has equal rights to to her body as you? The gay rights march, not approved by the city, causing traffic jams and street disorder got the same rights as the pedestrian going to work? The shooter killing a dozen classroom kids got the same rights to the school? The lesbo couple raising a kid got the same parental rights . . . . . when it's a fact a male/female couple produce better kids?
'Rights' come with responsibility', in case you forgot. And, to exert rights with disregard to the rights of others and without appropriate responsibiity is absurd.
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Ben
b0blf - man you sure are a helmet wearing, window licker. Do a quick Google search, to see what equal rights means, BEFORE you type. Also, your use of the word "lesbo" invalidates all future comments of yours. Though and trump both need your internet rights revoked.
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Rev. John D. Partin
b0blf, I wrote you a very angry and insulting post which ULC decided not to post here, which is probably for the best, because I felt that your disrespect for gay people deserved disrespect right back at you. To tell you now more calmly what I said in that post: criminals. quite obviously, disqualify themselves from equal rights by their law breaking. So, I'm not talking about their having equal rights, since they couldn't have those in jail or prison. You and your ilk aren't the only people who are law-abiding, while everyone else id law-breaking. Your examples are, therefore, absurd. Gay people get permission to march because they are law-abiding citizens, too, and don't break the law by marching. Your rights also come with responsibility: to respect other people by not calling them "lesbos" and "misfits", and you aren't meeting that responsibility. I don't know how much of this you will be able to understand, but, anyway, here it is!!!
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flugo
Partin: 'Respect'. No, not ever! Their behavior and actions do NOT deserve respect. Their person is a different matter. I can respect the individual, but certainly am under no reasonable obligation have respect for their lifestyle. I'm surprised you didn't differentiate between the two concepts.
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Rev. John D. Partin
b0blf, "their behavior and actions do NOT deserve respect" only according to homophobic and stupid bigots, such as yourself, because there is nothing actually wrong with their behavior and actions and homosexuality isn't actually a sin, but is only ignorantly called a "sin" by you and your ilk and some fools who wrote in the Bible!! It is your lifestyle, behavior, actions, and thinking that don't deserve any respect, the same as Nazis' and Klansmen's behavior, actions, and thinking don't deserve respect, because you are all equally bigoted, stupid, and obnoxious!!!
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John Owens
Can you say, "triggered?"
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Rev. John D. Partin
Can you say "deflecting and evading" and not always apply it to someone other than yourself, thereby, really doing more of it? Can you ever be really honest about yourself, for a change?
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John Owens
I cannot be anything OTHER than honest. YOU, on the other hand, seem to be a compulsive liar. It's really sad to watch. Please just stop.
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Stephen A Masone
First you can't compare being black with being gay. Thats not even apples and oranges . That's apples and cars. On top of that what you're saying is that no private entity can have any of their own exclusivity. Boys should be able to join the Girl Scouts girls should be able to join the Boy Scouts there should be no men's clubs or woman's. And I should be able to go worship in a mosque eating a pork barbecue and they can't do anything about it even though I'm Christian and eating pork in their establishment because Its my right and I don't give a crap what they believe or think or care about. Pedophiles, hey they can't help it they where born that way we can't discriminate against them let's change the law and except them. Where do we stop. Oh wait I want to join the NBA or be an actor but they believe you need a certain talent. They are excluding me let's make a law that says they can't discriminate against people without Talent. Again WHERE DO WE STOP.
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Stephen A Masone
I didn't read all the comments so somebody could have already stated the obvious which makes all other comments a moot point. The article stated that it violated the schools code of conduct policy which I'm sure was in place when the student enrolled. Just like with laws, if you don't like them or think they are wrong fight to have them changed. But if they are in place and you choose not to follow them then be prepared for the outcome established with breaking them.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Stephen A. Masone, wasn't it the policy of schools in the deep South in the 50's and 60's and the law there to keep white and black students segregated and the races segregated everywhere else, too? Didn't George Wallace even stand in front of the entrance to a school there in Alabama to keep black students from entering? But it didn't make any difference that that was the policy and law there at that time because the Constitution and American civil rights overruled the law and policies and customs there and let those black students enter the school, just as the Constitution and civil rights overrule this school where Gary Campbell went and he should be given his rights, which don't discriminate against sex, color, ethnicity, national origin, religion or sexual preference and which supercede the school's regulations. Anti-gay regulations should be fought against, the same as anti-black regulations should have been fought against. Gay students shouldn't be kept out of any school, anymore than black students should have been kept out of any school.
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John Owens
Being gay has nothing in common with being black, unless you happen to be gay AND black, and even then it has nothing to with being black. Period. I'm sure you will argue, because you can't help it, but everyone knows one has nothing to do with the other.
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Ben
The pagans I know, are far more in line with your jesus's teaching them most Christians. We're tolerant of other people's: religion, sexual preference, and right to choose. Basically we mind our own business. When was the last time though heard of a wiccan mass shooter? Or of a Hellenistic pagan politician misbehaving? Ever hear of group of kitchen witches, who've raped hundreds of children? And when we do find a bag apple in our midst, we publically denounce them.
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flugo
Partin: 'There is no love of one man for another "passing the love of women" other than homosexuality.' It's easy to understand why you're so ignorant about this. You haven't experienced it!
In the first place you canNOT make that assertion in honesty! NO one can! There is a higher realm of love than sexual between two of the same gender . . . . a spiritual love. Your Biblical examples illustrate that.
And, your 'take' on these illustrations is false, filthy-minded and blasphemous. You'd do yourself, and others, a favor by repenting of your disgusting diatribe and asking forgiveness of the Jesus you so sorely maligned.
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susan jones
Asking forgiveness from a dead guy? Ok. That's just silly.
The book that you get these ideas from is so full of violence and evil and hatred that they should all be burned so that we can finally live in peace and love on this planet. That will never happen until grown adults stop believing that myths and fairy tales are real.
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Ben
Susan - we're all clergy here. So, we all believe in myths and fairy tales.
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susan jones
I believe in the love and compassion of human beings and that we are all on this planet together. I don't see anything mythological with that.
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Rev. John D. Partin
b0blf, if we were talking about a Biblical statement that said that a man loved a particular woman with a love "passing the love of other women", there would be no doubt, even in your mind, that it was referring to romantic and sexual love between that man and that woman, but because the reference is to two men loving each other with a love "passing the love of women", you and your ilk immediately come out with "Oh, well, it must be referring to a 'spiritual love passing the love of women' and couldn't possibly mean what it clearly refers to"----the same as it would between a man and a woman----entirely from your bias and prejudice against homosexuality!!! So, you come up with this "spiritual love" nonsense to cover every example in the Bible that is, obviously, referring to gay love between two men or two women, just so that you won't have to face and admit that that is what it is. This is, clearly, a double standard, hypocrisy, and small and narrow-mindedness on your and some other people's part, instead of a consistent and reasonable standard. The Bible writers certainly would have been capable of making the distinction and making it clear, without its being "necessary" for you or anyone else to "interpret" it, that only spiritual love was meant by these references to David and Jonathan or these other examples and not sexual or romantic love. This "spiritual love" ploy can't be used as a convenient dodge just to avoid facing or admitting the obvious truth of any passage in the Bible that you and others don't want to face or admit----because it would blow your whole bigotry-based theology and mentality against homosexuality out of the water!!! The proof that even Bible writers could have made very clear the distinction between spiritual and sexual love is that nobody thinks that "love your neighbor as yourself" or "love one another as I have loved you" or "love your enemies" is talking about having sex with your neighbor or with one another or with your enemies because they are obviously talking about spiritual love---and the Bible writers could have made that equally clear in this reference to David and Jonathan and the other examples, and not have left it to you or anyone else to "tell us what they were actually saying" (to make it fit your own agenda and prejudices). You can't even use the dodge that you are "more spiritually attuned to God's will or thinking and so see the 'truth' which other people can't see about these verses" because your own bigotry proves that you aren't any more "spiritually attuned" about anything than anyone else is, since bigotry, which is objectively seen, isn't true spiritual attunement!!! Your saying that my "'take' on these illustrations is false, filthy-minded and blasphemous" is proof of your bias and bigotry against homosexuality!!! Telling the plain truth about anything and seeing it as it actually is, most certainly, IS NOT!!!! false, filthy-minded or blasphemous and it is only your bigotry against gay people that says that "it is" and keeps you from seeing and admitting the plain truth of these Biblical illustrations, too!!! So, why would I or any other reasonable person accept your "interpretation" of these passages of Scripture or your word for it what they "were really saying", after those passages have gone through your bigoted filters and blender in your head and come out saying something completely opposite of what they clearly say?!!!!! I wouldn't trust you about the time of day or directions across town, much less telling me what "God is saying about homosexuality or anything else", anymore than I would believe a Nazi about Jews or a Klansman about black people or any other obviously biased and prejudicial source of information about anything or anyone else at all!!!! You are, quite obviously, dishonest and bigoted against homosexuality and so, clearly, not a reliable source of information on the subject!!! I have experienced spiritual love and so know very well the difference between that and sexual love, but, again, "spiritual love" can't just be hauled out and thrown over anything in the Bible or elsewhere that you just don't want to face or admit to, since that is very dishonest and manipulative!!! I haven't maligned Jesus at all, except according to a homophobic and ignorant bigot such as yourself, because Jesus practiced homosexuality Himself (which takes nothing away from His Divinity or holiness) and because he wasn't such a bigot as you are against homosexuality or He would certainly have clearly said so and made that known, and not left it to you or anyone else to "tell us what He was really saying". He said NOTHING!!!!! against homosexuality and certainly wouldn't have remained silent on that subject, if He had felt that it was really "a moral danger that people needed to be warned against", as you believe!!! So, I don't need to repent of anything that I have said here!!!!
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Apostle Dr. C.N. Turrell
Lev 18; Ro 1 tell us that Homosexuality is a SIN. Also in Gensis 1 it tells us that he made male and female. So those that think it is ok to be this way, need to read the Bible again and study it.
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Ben
Apostle Dr. C.N. Turrell; Have you ever sold a house and moved? Cause that's also a sin. Don't quote Leviticus unless you obey it entirely. Here's a sample:
Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11) [Normal penalty.]Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13) [Normal penalty.]Eating fat (3:17) [That one’s “a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.” All fat is to be saved for offerings to God. Normal penalty.]Eating blood (3:17) [Normal penalty]Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve witnessed (5:1) [“They will be held responsible.”]Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve been told about (5:1) [Which sounds like hearsay. At any rate, “they shall be held responsible.”]Touching an unclean animal (5:2) [NIV translates this as touching “the carcass” of an unclean animal. So if Rover dies, or you’re a worker in a pork plant, you’re in trouble here. Normal penalty.]Carelessly making an oath (5:4) [Even if you don’t realize you have. Normal penalty.]Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2) [Return the item and a 20% penalty, plus normal penalty.]Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3) [Return the item and a 20% penalty, plus normal penalty.]
Bringing unauthorised fire before God (10:1) [God will smite you.]
Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6) [“You will die” and God will be angry at everyone. May only apply to the priesthood.]
Tearing your clothes (10:6) [“You will die” and God will be angry at everyone. May only apply to the priesthood.]
Drinking alcohol in holy places (bit of a problem for Catholics, this ‘un) (10:9) [“You will die.” May only apply to the priesthood.]
Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7) [“You will be unclean.]
Touching the carcass of any of the above (problems here for rugby) (11:8) [“You will be unclean.”]
Eating – or touching the carcass of – any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12) [“You will be unclean.”]
Eating – or touching the carcass of – eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19) [“You will be unclean.”]
Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22) [“You will be unclean.”]
Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (good news for cats) (11:27) [“You will be unclean.” Also applies to touching their carcasses.]
Eating – or touching the carcass of – the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard,the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29) [“You will be unclean.”]
Eating – or touching the carcass of – any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42) [“You will be unclean.”]
Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4) [Actually, she’s unclean a week, and then another 33 days. Then she has to offer up a sacrifice.]
Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5) [Actually, she’s unclean a week, and then another 66 days. Then she has to offer up a sacrifice.]
Having sex with your mother (18:7) [The penalty for all the sexual sins in ch. 18 is that the participants are to be “cut off” from their people. Some have additional penalties mentioned below.]
Having sex with your father’s wife (18:8) [In 20:11, both are to be put to death.]
Having sex with your sister (18:9) [In 20:17, if you marry her, both are to be “publicly removed from their people”]
Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13) [In 20:19, he will be held responsible for the dishonor.]
Having sex with your uncle’s wife (18:14) [In 20:20, they are held responsible for the dishonor, “they will die childless”]
Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15) [In 20:12, both are to be put to death.]
Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16) [In 20:21, if you marry her, “they will be childless.”]
Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (bad news for Alan Clark) (18:17) [No specific penalty given, but per 20:14 if you marry both of them, all three of you are to be “burned in fire.”]
Marrying your wife’s sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19) [15:24 simply says the man will be considered unclean for 7 days. In 20:18, “Both of them are to be cut off from their people”]
Having sex with your neighbour’s wife (18:20) [In 20:10, both are to be put to death.]
Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21) [In 20:2, the person is to be stoned to death.]
Having sex with a man “as one does with a woman” (18:22) [In 20:13, both are to be put to death.]
Having sex with an animal (18:23) [In 20:15, both are to be killed.]
Making idols or “metal gods” (19:4) [No penalty given.]
Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9) [To be left for the poor. No penalty given.]
Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10) [To be left for the poor. No penalty given.]
Stealing (19:11) [No penalty given.]
Lying (19:11) [No penalty given.]
Swearing falsely on God’s name (19:12) [No penalty given.]
Defrauding your neighbour (19:13) [No penalty given.]
Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (not well observed these days) (19:13) [No penalty given.]
Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14) [No penalty given.]
Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15) [No penalty given.]
Spreading slander (19:16) [No penalty given.]
Doing anything to endanger a neighbour’s life (19:16) [No penalty given.]
Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18) [No penalty given.]
Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19) [No penalty given.]
Cross-breeding animals (19:19) [No penalty given.]
Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19) [No penalty given.]
Sleeping with another man’s slave (19:20) [“Due punishment,” but not death, just a ram for sacrifice.]
Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23) [No penalty given. May only apply to fruit trees planted in Israel.]
Practising divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26) [No penalty, but in 20:6 they will be “cut off from their people” by God. In 20:27, they are to be stoned to death.]
Trimming your beard (19:27) [No penalty given.]
Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27) [No penalty given.]
Getting tattoos (19:28) [No penalty given.]
Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29) [“The land will turn to prostitution.” No other penalty given.]
Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31) [No penalty given.]
Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32) [No penalty given.]
Mistreating foreigners – “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born” (19:33-34) [No penalty given.]
Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36) [No penalty given.]
Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9) [Death, as noted.]
Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13) [No penalty given.]
Entering a place where there’s a dead body as a priest (21:11) [I.e., if you’re a priest. No penalty given.]
Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28) [May apply only to sacrificial animals. No penalty given.]
Working on the Sabbath (23:3) [No penalty given.]
Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14) [Death.]
Inflicting an injury; killing someone else’s animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22) [Killing someone means death. Injuring someone mean punishment in kind. Killing or injuring another’s animal means punishment in kind.]
Selling land permanently (25:23) [No penalty given.]
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Iconoclast
LOL!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Apostle Dr. C.N. Turrell, I will tell you, as I have told many other people here, the Bible was written by human beings and so has many human ideas, prejudices, misconceptions, stupidities, and LIES!!!!! in it, and their putting their words into "God's mouth", in order to "sanctify" and "justify" them and impose them on other people and control them!!!! The bigoted verses against homosexuality in the Bible are evidence of that. The proof of their putting their bigotry into "God's mouth" is that the bigotry against homosexuality is there in the Bible. If I come into a room and see a murdered person's body shot in the back, I know for a fact that a murderer put it there because it didn't get there by itself or shoot himself in the back. Likewise, when I see bigotry in the Bible (and bigotry isn't a matter of interpretation, as Klansmen and Nazis want to claim, to deflect that charge from themselves), then I know for a fact that bigots put it there. Since God isn't a bigot, the bigotry in the Bible had to have been put there by human bigots. That is just logical and deductive reasoning. So, pointing to homophobic verses in the Bible to "prove that homosexuality is a sin" is like pointing to passages in Mein Kampf to "prove that Jews are 'inferior' and 'vile disgusting vermin' and 'should be eliminated'" and is just circular "reasoning". David and Jonathan, in the Bible, were gay lovers because they loved each other with a "love passing the love of women". There is no love of one man for another "passing the love of women" other than homosexuality. It is "Christian" dishonesty to read that very plain account of gay love in the Bible and say that "it wasn't really referring to gay love between David and Jonathan" when in any other book that talked about two men's "loving each other with a love passing the love of women" even you would admit that it was talking about homosexual love between those two men. When very clear words and accounts in the Bible don't actually mean what they clearly say just because you don't want them to mean that and because of your bigotry against homosexuality, in this case, that is, quite obviously, dishonesty on your part. God proved that He didn't (and doesn't) have any problem with homosexuality (no matter what hateful words the bigots have put into His mouth against it) because He blessed David and Jonathan's love for each other and union. Neither did God have a problem with Ruth and Naomi's love for each other or with Jesus' and John the disciple's love for each other (and John's resting his head on Jesus' breast at the Last Supper) or with Jesus' being with the young man who fled away from him naked (Mark 14:51-52). So, Jesus Himself was gay and, therefore, wouldn't have had (or have today) any problems with anyone else's being gay!!! The Bible has to be taken in context of the human distortion of God's actual words in it.
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John Owens
Your own interpretation of scripture is sick, utterly biased and without foundation, but live it up.
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Rev. John D. Partin
John Owens, according to you and your ILK!! (which means type of people), only racists, neo-Nazis, RIGHTISTS, homophobes, and other such small and narrow minded people as yourself interpret Scripture "without sickness and without bias and with a good foundation", but that is just the idiocy that you tell yourselves and every truly honest and thinking person can see through all of that easily and knows that it is BS!! Your calling everyone other than yourself a "bigot" doesn't make it true and is, obviously, just your defensiveness against the charge of bigotry being rightfully placed against you!!
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Ronald Hill
It does not say that. It says it's an abomination, who h is not the same as a sin
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Carl Elfstrom
Why do you need a god to tell you how to live? Don't you have a healthy moral conscience like most of the rest of us that tells you right from wrong? Talk about self-defeatism.
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Chery Esau
Jesus is one of the Many Pantheons. Doesn't anyone realize that both Christianity and Judism are both in their infancy. There are many more ancient religions. These religions encourage all people to be who they are and not let others dictate to them. So those who think they are the walking holy spirit need to reevaluate their bullish attitude. If we are looking into the Bible, then we need to read the scripture where Jesus says, I am the son of god, and you are all my brothers and sisters. So Who does that make us????? I will spell it out.......children of god, and if he was god, then so are we!!!!!!
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flugo
Esau" Please cite the Scripture reference where Jesus says, ' I am the son . . . brothers and sisters.'
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Carl Elfstrom
I include Jesus in my pantheon of gods as someone who attained oneness with the creator, such as the Buddha. Otherwise, I prefer the Greek and Egyptian pantheons, and my Wiccan name is Raven Apollo. Regardless of that, I still think Christianity and the Bible totally suck!!!
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flugo
Well put your 21 Sep comment. No proof whatsoever of people being born gay! That is just a cop-out for the poor choices the LGBTQXYZ-ers make.
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Ben
b0blf are you high? There absolutely is scientific proof that people are born straight or gay. Why would anyone choose to be gay?
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Iconoclast
There is absolutely NOT ANY proof, scientific or otherwise, that people are born gay. To prove something, first you have to ACTUALLY prove it, and that has yet to be done. A LOT of semi-educated people claim it is a fact, but if they come up with any references, and you chase them down, the research NEVER EVER claims to prove that people are born gay. NEVER.
NOT ONCE.
Not ever, so far.
If you think you have that info, you had better read it carefully, because it DOES NOT SAY THAT.
You need to understand the meaning of FACT and SCIENCE, which you do not.
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Lea Weisenbach
I went to a Catholic grade school...No way was I going to a Catholic high school. I wanted a better education. But I wonder why would he go to a Christian school knowing he is gay..why put yourself through this BS. You don't need the churches ok in being a good person..The church is not worth it...move on
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Carl Elfstrom
Maybe he's like a method actor and temporarily convinced himself that he wasn't gay, but later snapped back to reality.
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Tom Wilson
The school is clearly wrong about biblical teaching on this subject. However, what did he expect to happen if they ever found out. Why in the world would someone who is a member of the LGBTQIA community even consider going to that school in the first place. I completely disagree with the schools stand on this based on the fact that the passages within bibles in English speaking on the topic are either poorly or fraudulently translated to fit a religious bias against the LGBTQIA community. Most of those passages in the new testament in the original Greek were actually speaking about men who had sex with male child sex slaves in religious temples. They had nothing to do with consensual same sex relations.
Regardless, he chose to go to a school either without first finding out their stand on his sexuality or choosing to go in spite of it. Every choice has a consequence in this country it is not considered a hate crime to believe what this school believes so he should neither be angry or disappointed at their decision as it was a consequence of his deciding to go to a school that considers same sex relations a sin. He has no right or IMO moral standing to sue them.
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susan jones
He went to that school thinking that he could change his sexuality.
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Steve Edwards
I just have one question. How do any one of you thing this ok to be gay. I do not pass judgment on any one that God’s job, But however when God seen that Adam was lonely he put him in a deep sleep and took a rib from him a made woman for a help mate and said unto them go you therefore and be FRUITFULL and to multiple. Now pretty sure that man on man in a sexual relationship is not able too bear children. If everyone took the amount of time they use on trying to convince everyone that gay okay and put to spreading the word about Jesus every one most likely have salvation by now. Just remember it not about us it’s about our FARTHER in heaven GOD himself. Who by the way is still in charge. May God bless each and everyone of you and give you the love and understanding that you are seeking.
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Ben
Steve - Did you graduate high school? Cause over 30 years ago, I was taught that to be gay or not isn't a choice, You're born that way. Scientific fact. That makes being gay natural. What's more, here in America we have a right to: life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness. Why should gay people be alone? Adam had Lilith before Eve, but asked god to get rid of her, cause she was to aggressive(she wanted to be on top). Eve was made to be submissive and is his 2nd wife. Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself and you're sowing hate.
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Steve Edwards
After reading several of your comments that people have written in about your unfortunate well-being I’ve come to realize you’re trying to make this all about you never not one time did I mention anything about education or anything personally about you being gay if you feel you’re born that way that your ignorance I still believe in the true values of what God says in his word you’re one of those people who want to take the Bible and make it your way so you feel better if the truth hurts your feelings then you might want to look into what God is saying don’t try to convince everybody else that you’re right it’s OK to be wrong but Amitting that sometimes people have a problem with that like yourself my advice is to get over yourself and get on with your life no matter how you want to live it it’s your Right to want to live and choose what ever you want not anybody else’s your the one that respondable to God as far as hate goes the only thing I hate is the sin people lives like trying to convince other people that they’re right instead of trying to show out of love and respect you have a lot of issues that you need to work out and this wil be my last time to reply to you because I’m not going to join in to your ignorance again may God bless you and show you the truth and the light of righteousness if you would spend as much time trying to convince everyone it’s okay to be gay and try to get everyone to feel sorry for you and put to actually studying Gods word you would finally realize that your not right and by the way before you start trying to say anything about my education or morals of live we’re not talking about mine you are reaching out on the internet to get fuel to keep you alive in ingredients stop trying to blame everyone else stand up like a man and face the facts
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Ben
Steve - I'm using scientific FACT. I'm not gay, I'm not looking for anything other then for ignorant Christians to wake up & STOP THE HATE. You supposedly worship the prince of peace but all I hear is hate and intolerance out of Christian's like you. May the full horror of your actions be revealed to you.
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Iconoclast
It is absolutely not a scientific fact that people are born gay. In order to be considered a scientific fact there has to be proof and it has to be demonstrable, observable, repeatable proof. That is the rule of science. No such proof exists of what you claim. NONE. Only desperately bad interpretations of existing research which as of yet has not found any proof that people are born gay. That assertion is patently ridiculous.
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flugo
Ben: Steve (and others) are NOT fooled by your evasive smoke screen: 'Scientific', 'Lilith', 'gay natural', 'love your neighbor', etc. It's typical to rationalize, to generalize, to 'blow smoke' when confronted with the Truth.
God hates! He hates sin - Leviticus 20:23; He hates the wicked - Psalms 11:5; His wrath IS present toward those that don't believe in His Son's sacrifice on the cross. - John 3:36.
God has provided the remedy for your fooling yourself. . . . . . . looking in the mirror and admitting you're NOT happy with your life. Then turning to Jesus, the ONLY way to peace with God. John 14:6
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Ben
Science is a smoke screen? Well, if you refuse to accept reality, then there's really nothing else for me to say other then, you need psychological help.
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Iconoclast
What you interpret as science IS a smoke screen.
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Ronald Hill
Learn what the definition of the words are. Sin and abomination are two different things. Look it up
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susan jones
It is okay to be gay because that is what they were created to be.
The world is already overpopulated. We do not need to keep multiplying.
Everyone doesn't want this ridiculous idea of salvation. May you come out of the darkness that has blinded you and be part of the love and understanding that this world needs.
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susan jones
So why exactly do you think that someone would choose to be gay. Throughout history gay people have shamed, ridiculed, rejected by their own families and in many countries, assaulted and murdered? Why on earth would anyone choose that?
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Iconoclast
There is no concrete explanation for the cause of it, but in a LOT of cases, they are TAUGHT to choose it.
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Iconoclast
This was probably discovered through social media. Just a WAG.
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Linda Happenny
The article says at the beginning of it "The Christian College...Discovered a secret which led to their decision..." So I think someone found out and told. It doesn't say he told. Either way I think it was wrong to expel someone so close to graduating.
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Nathaniel Robert Hunt
Then the school needs to return his money and reimburse him for any study materials he had to buy
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Ben
How is it this one gray kid in PA is expelled, but nothing happened to those 300+ pedophile priests in PA? Hipocrites!
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John Owens
Good point.
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Lionheart
It seems the Bible is replete with sexuality in all of its forms, if you want to believe it, ranging from Adam and his incestuous family, to Noah's daughters having sex with him while he was drunk. Not to mention, Sodom and Gomorrah, and whoever it was that "really" put Mary in the family way. Now there's a great cover up story if ever there was one! You wouldn't get away with that as an excuse today, would you, and yet people still believe it, so I guess gullibility still reigns even in this day and age.
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John Owens
Noah's daughters did not have sex with him. Lot's daughters did that with Lot. Just saying.
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Lionheart
You are quite right, thank you for the correction. I was getting confused about gods favorite drunkards in the Bible, they seemed to be more favored :)
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Iconoclast
Noah got buzzed and HAM went in and uncovered him and looked at him lying naked.
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Eric k
Ouch needed that
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Gary Hynous
If God created all creatures on Earth great and small and, in fact, all of creation, then it stands to reason that he created all the varieties of sexuality. He is, after all omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Perhaps these clergy need to revisit their ecclesiastical training and take a few refresher courses.
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Clayton Beardmore
There's a fool born every minute - here's the last three minutes.
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Lionheart
Agreed Clay! Tests have proved that three out of four creationists are just as uneducated as the fourth :)
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James
I do believe there was a few words of wisdom that some could interpret as Jesus being gay. IE: An Examination of the Secret Gospel of Mark. What do the missing books of the bible contain? The current bible as we read it, understand it. Mis-translate it & spin it thru ones personal phaneron is a contributing factor to all this conflict. Who is to know what yin or yang is any more. What did "GAY" mean 2k+ years ago? To all the name callers & judgment passers out there. In these past few centuries, every one is making Jesus what they want him to be or is taught what Jesus should be makes a mess of the PERSONAL path each of us is to derive from the teachings of any philosopher. BTW, GOD (which is love) dose no condemning. Only humans do. Follow the lord (Lord = LAWS of existence) or parish. As one pastor put it, "swim w/ the universal current or drown".
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susan jones
Secret gospels. Missing books. Mistranslated. No one even has any idea who wrote those books. They should all be ignored and/or burned.
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Ronald Hill
Nobody knows who really wrote any of the books , so are you saying the entire Bible should be gotten rid of?
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susan jones
Absolutely!
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Ben
Susan, I disagree. Who wrote down the myth doesn't matter. It's the message that matters. In its current interpretation, the message is evil, and for that reason, I'm anti-christianity.
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Carl Elfstrom
I'm with her, and a registered voter. Let's start a petition. China can show us how, or we can burn all those bibles one page at a time, rolled up into joints.
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Ben
J they didn't use the word gay. It was something like a man shalt not lie with another man, like a man lies with a woman. God created the LBGTQ people, so he could torture them for being what he made then to be. God's a sick, twisted and cruel-ass monster. No wonder nobody can know his name.
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Eric k
Man God is great, but he can seem like a monster, better to be with him than against him. As far as I understand if you practice something God doesn't like . There is he'll to pay
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Ben
To quote Stephen Frye, "bone cancer in children, what's that about? How dare you? How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault? It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain." "Yes the world is very splendid but it also has in it insects whose whole life cycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make them blind, they eat outwards from the eyes. Why, why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation in which that didn't exist. "
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Carl Elfstrom
Go for the gusto,Ben, but karmic debt can follow us from one life to the next, and thereafter. Maybe those sweet, innocent children who are dying from cancer now were Nazi soldiers in their last life, or something worse. We have to learn our lessons (so to speak), if we're ever going to return to the source, the All, reach Nirvana, or whatever you want to call it.
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Carl Elfstrom
It could be when Lord Lucifer tried to take over heaven with his general St. Judas they actually succeeded, and christian heaven is actually Hell. That's why it seems like such a dismal place, where everyone must always worship an arrogant, conceited, and egotistical god, who expects us to worship him like we worship our women during bedroom games. He won't even help get us off, so what good is he? And with him it's all take and no give. Not true of the underworld, where it's a constant party throughout eternity, if God Anubis weighs your heart and finds it pure, or he and God Hades will cast you out, and his sweet, precious three-headed guard dog Cerberus won't ever let you get back in. Otherwise, you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
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James
Being that the world is headed backwards in evolution (as a whole). See the movie "Idrocracy". I'll say homoerctus, homerectus or homosapians are only about 1/3 humans (cellular speaking). Gender conflict is more of a chronic intestinal / 2nd brain imbalance. A gross malfunction of metabolic actions by the LBS & the brain. I'd say this Gary student should have kept his sexual pref's under wraps a bit better and a bit longer. He is there to learn, not advertise personal views. How did it officially get out? Was he gay B4 signing up for the private collage? Did the collage know long B4 the termination & wait till the 12-hr to terminate? To many unanswered questions to jump to assuming & inventory taking here. The legal grounds are. No gov $$$ no gays allowed. The baker guy gets no government $$$. Guess the baker can also elect to bake no cake, the school has no duty to offer (non-custom) services to a gay. Right or wrong, good or bad. Go where ones is compatible.
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Beth K
The extinct species of humanoids were more than 99% human, genetically speaking. We know that chimpanzees share more than 99% of genes with modern humans. Being gay is not the same thing as gender conflict, and neither have anything to do with "intestinal imbalance".
Nonetheless, being non-Christian and having nothing whatsoever against anyone gay, lesbian, or in any sort of gender conflict, and support them dealing with it any way they choose without discrimination, in THIS instance, I have to agree with the school. They had in their policies "no homosexuals". I'm not sure if this refers to homosexual identity, feelings, or actions. He had a choice, and he chose to go to that school. He did NOT just wake up one day in his senior year and say, "Yes, I think I'm gay." No, he knew it for a long time. He brought this upon himself.
He could have gone to any number of other schools, some of which are accredited and are eligible for Title IX funding. Those are also eligible to get federal funds, including Pell Grants and Federally Guaranteed Student Loans. Nonaccredited schools which cannot receive Federal funds are also excluded from many private scholarship and loan programs. My point is that he paid for this himself - because he wanted to.
If he is permitted to graduate, he'll have the dubious extinction of being allowed to say, "I'm an anti-gay bigot" on his resume forever. What he won't be able to say is, "I got a quality education in (field) from a respected, accredited school."
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Carl Elfstrom
Can't he get his credits transferred to another college ?
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Iconoclast
Of course he can.
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susan jones
No, not all of them. Because many of the classes are religious many of them will not be transferable.
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John Owens
But why would he care? He's gay.
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Jim D.
He can transfer the credits, and it's up to the next college as to whether or not they accept all of them. I'm sure most if not all would transfer. However, if he only has six credits to go before he graduates, the next college won't give him a diploma having only earned six credits at their school. Most colleges have a minimum number of credits you have to earn at their school before you can graduate. So, he might wind up having to do another year of college.
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susan jones
Gary thought that he could change his sexuality.
This school does receive Title IX funding.
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flugo
Partin: Up to your usual ambiguous 'standard' of literary nonsense, I see.
Campbell was aware of the school's rules. The rules are legal in the private school business by the way. He was stupid to 'come out' so close to graduation time. He 'kicked himself out' of the school by his actions, by his choice.
And, your Bible quotes are most inappropriate in this instance.. Those who 'came to Jesus' in the Scriptures were serious about their concerns.. They had needs and looked to Jesus as the supplier of those needs. (The exceptions would be the religious leaders, trying to argue with Jesus.)
Your John reference is absurd . . . . the Father is going to 'give' His pure righteous Son one of these misfits? No! And the 'rest', real rest, in Matthew is freedom from the cares/burdens of sin
IF the LGBTQXYZ-ers come to Jesus to get their lives straightened out, of course Jesus will accommodate them. If they come to Him for approval, toleration, and or/acceptance of their abnormal, sinful lifestyle, then Light and darkness are incompatible.
God's Word is replete with instances of condemnation of those who practice these abominable, unnatural, sensuous behaviors.
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James
Jesus was the son of God (love)... We all are... Is it a sin to condemn an others sin? Only human conflict can create sin.
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Lionheart
Oh stop it and grow up!
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Carl Elfstrom
The dictionary states that sin means "Missing the mark." And that's all it says about it. I suppose we're speaking English here, aren't we ?
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John Owens
That IS one of the definitions of sin. There are several words translated sin, and one is as if an archer fires an arrow, and does not hit the target. That would be an inadvertent sin, where one failed while trying to do the right thing.
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Rev. John D. Partin
b0blf, gay people aren't "misfits", except according to you and your ilk because Jesus Himself NEVER!!!! said anything against gay people, They don't need their lives straightened out, except, again, according to you and your ilk. And whoever told you that your life or "thinking" or the rest of those other people's lives and "thinking" like you was so straight because whoever told you that LIED!!!! to you?!!! Gay people don't have anything to confess or repent of, just from their being gay, except, again, according to you and other SMALL!!! or NO!!!!! "minded" people!!! Gay people have every bit as much right to come to Jesus, without their repenting of imaginary "sins", as everyone else does. Your kind are the only people who would block them from doing so and you don't speak for Jesus or God, except in your own warped "thinking"!!! The Bible verses that condemn homosexuality were written by homophobes, in order to make "God agree with them" and so impose their views on other people and control them. David loved Jonathan with a love "passing the love of women" and that can't be honestly viewed as anything other than homosexuality, since there isn't any love of one man for another "passing the love of women" other than homosexuality. So, God Himself (apart from the words that are put into His mouth by bigots) has no problem with homosexuality, since He blessed David and Jonathan's love for each other and union. Neither did God have a problem with Ruth and Naomi's love for each other or with John the disciple's and Jesus' love for each other or with Jesus' having the young man with him who fled naked from Him (Mark 14:51-52). So, Jesus Himself was gay and, therefore, quite obviously, wouldn't have a problem with anyone else's being gay. It doesn't matter that Campbell came out so close to graduation or that it was in a private school because this, along with every other human right, is just a matter of those rights, which should be given, no matter where you are. "LGBTQXYZ-ers" is a very ignorant and bigoted comment for you or anyone else to make and only shows how narrow and small---or, actually, NO!!!!---"minded" you are, since you wouldn't want anyone else to make up a stupid name about your group, too (whatever your group---other than obvious bigots!!!!---might be). So, don't do to gay people or anyone else what you wouldn't want done to yourself, which is also Jesus' teaching, if you actually believe in following His teaching. Homosexuality isn't abominable, unnatural or sensuous, except, again, according to bigots such as yourself. The Bible calls many things that you and other people like you do, too, abominable. Bigotry is ABOMINABLE!!!! in the eyes of God!!!! "Let him who is without sin among you cast the first stone" and "First remove the beam from your own eye and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye" and "You are like whited sepulchers, all clean and good on the outside, but inside full of dead men's bones and all corruption".
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Ben
Well said John
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Ronald Hill
Perfectly spoken!
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John Owens
So. You are saying that no gay people are misfits. How then, do you explain your own behavior?
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Rev. John D. Partin
I'm not a misfit, except, again, according to you and your ilk, which certainly isn't the same as its being true at all! Besides, gay people aren't the only people standing up for gay rights, anymore than only black people marched and stood up for black civil rights and are still doing so, since gay and black and all other people's rights concern us all!
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Ben
I'm a straight, non-christian and I'm pro mind your own business when it comes to adults and their sexuality. It's a tough world and if you can find comfort or happiness in the arms of another adult, then you're blessed. Don't like homosexuality, then don't do it, but leave your neighbor to their own happiness.
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John Owens
So, you are saying that no gay people are misfits, and using words like "ilk",, which is bigot speech,, and proclaiming your own virtue. Right...
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flugo
'fartin': You usual standard of literary ambiguity, again! Jesus said He and His Father 'are one'. So, it's logical that they are of the same mind about things.
The Father finds homosexuality. an abomination. Leviticus 18.
Of course, these LGBTZQxyz-ers are 'mis-fits', subbnormal, unnatural, and to be pitied, prayed for.
Prove to me bigotry is abominable in the eyes of God, as you say. Show me the Scriptures.
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Rev. John D. Partin
fluke-o, the Scriptures that prove that bigotry is abominable in the eyes of God are: "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect" (Romans 12:2). Bigotry is conformity to the "thinking" of this world, whether against races, ethnic groups, sexual preferences or anything else, and so is against the teaching of your supposed religion and, therefore, abominable in the eyes of God. "As high as the heavens are above the earth, so high are my ways and thoughts above yours" (Isaiah 55:9). Bigotry isn't high minded thinking or trying to raise our thoughts up to God, but drags our "thinking" even further down away from God and so is abominable in the eyes of God. How much time do you have for this or how many verses do you need to read more than these, if these don't prove it to you?
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Ben
Flugo; Until the church does something about "celibate" priests raping children - it can StFU about consensual sex between adults.
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Rev. John D. Partin
John Owens, no gay people are misfits just because of their being gay, though they might be misfits (which just means individualists and nonconformists---and that is a good thing!!) In other areas. Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote: "Whosoever would be a man must be a nonconformist". As for "ilk", that is just another word for "sort" or "kind" or "type" and so isn't bigoted at all, since there are many different types or ilks of people and it isn't insulting in the least to just notice and admit that fact. People who like sports are an ilk, as are professional wrestlers or police officers or shopkeepers or bartenders or people in all kinds of different fields and activities and interests and no bigotry is being stated about them just by mentioning and noticing that fact. You are part of the ilk of small and narrow minded people and that is just a statement of fact, not bigotry! This reply to you is late, but better late than never!
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John Owens
Yep. We can all tell how well-adjusted you are.
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Rev. John D. Partin
John Owens, no homophobe, xenophobe, islamophobe, de facto neo-Nazi, religious phony, and narrow and small "minded" IDIOT!!! such as yourself has any room to talk about how well-adjusted anyone else is, not even being so yourself!!! "Not well adjusted", according to you, and not actually well adjusted are two entirely different things. Let him who is without sin among you cast the first stone!
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WILLIAM BAKER
AMEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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susan jones
He did not come out. The school will not say how they found out.
Gary thought that he could change his sexuality. I guess jesus didn't accommodate him after all, not did he come through as the supplier of those needs, or anyone else's, seeing as how he's been dead for over two thousand years.
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flugo
Excellent!
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Rev. John D. Partin
b0blf, if you come to Jesus for approval, toleration, and/or acceptance of your abnormal, sinful lifestyle of bigotry, condemnation, and self-righteousness, then his light and your darkness are incompatible, but if you come to him to get your life and thinking straightened out, he will certainly accomodate you. Who did Jesus condemn more: the self-righteous Pharisees, such as yourself, or the "sinners", harlots, tax collectors, and homosexuals? Look it up and figure it out for yourself!
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Ben
He should receive a 100% refund from the school. The Dean should be ashamed. Good Christian values? Bah!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Allow me to be the first, then, to post in this blog and say that kicking Gary Campbell out of school because he is gay is definitely anti-Christian and not in harmony with the practice, teaching, and spirit of Jesus Christ, Who said: "Come unto me, all you who are troubled and weighted down with care, and I will give you rest" (Matthew 11:28) and "All that the Father gives me shall come to me, and the one who comes to me I shall certainly not cast out" (John 6:37). When even so-called "Christian" universities and "churches" aren't even coming up to the standard of the secular world and even the Church of Satan, to whom they are supposed to be an example and teacher in acceptance and love of all people, in accepting gay people as much as they do, why should the world and Satanists consider them to be any kind of true "moral teacher"?!!! Casting people out whom Christ says that He will not cast out is disobedience to Him, Whom you claim as your "Lord and "Master"!!!
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John Owens
In your post just above this one, you questioned the existence of God, and then you try to speak for Jesus. Can you say, "hypocrite?"
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flugo
Excellent!
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John Owens
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Rev. John D. Partin
I questioned the existence of your phony propaganda "God", which isn't the same at all as questioning the existence of God, and is perfectly consistent with speaking for and with Jesus. Can you say about yourself: immature and unsophisticated?
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Ben
John, You're right. There's a wave of psuedi -Christianity out there, that preaches only hate. This is the church of the Antichrist. And "real" Christians were doing nothing to stop them.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Ben, thank you. There is certainly a wave of phony "Christianity" out there and this is the church of the Antichrist.
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John Owens
Now you are trying to rewrite your comnents, the bible,, and also ascribing to me things that exist only in your tormented, neuron-and synapse-starved mind. Got it...
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Clyde Hodge
Medieval morons. This is America, not some theocracy without a First Amendment. No one. Repeat, no one has the right to judge by gender. I hope he sues them into the ground. If you are a Christian, only the words of Jesus count. Period. He was the New Sacrament, which relegates the Old Testament down to a mere history book, not a law book. Prophets and Disciples after him are just noise unless they quote him. Too bad there are so few Christians who understand the Bible and do WJWD (what Jesus would do). Hypocrites test my patience.
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susan jones
Well, even Orthodox Jews have acknowledged that it is not really a history book. It is mostly fiction, poetry, stories and myths, with a little bit of exaggerated history thrown in. They have openly stated that there was no Adam & Eve, no Moses or Abraham and no Noah. Most biblical scholars know this.
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Val jester
Oh boy. How do you pack so much emotional ignorance into one post. He has no legal case. Read Romans One. That is a New Testament book. I will be most interested to observe the hermeneutical gymnastics you will engage in to circumvent Paul’s writings. This also has NOTHING to do with the first amendment.
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Rev. John D. Partin
"God", if it exists, wouldn't be vindictive as much as (or far worse than) any human being is and torment "His" enemies for all eternity or allow "devils" to torment them in front of "Him" in "Hell" and neither would "He" feel the need to reward them, like a dog that performs tricks for its master, with a treat ("eternity in Heaven"). These are merely human conceptions of "God" and making "Him" an overblown version of ourselves, since any God that actually existed would be far above all of this human pettiness and revenge, especially since even this Bible "God" is telling us to forgive seventy times seven---but "He" doesn't even forgive us once after death and didn't forgive Adam and Eve for their first offense!!!! That makes this Bible "God" a HYPOCRITE!!!!, who says "Don't do as I do, but DO AS I SAY!!!". "Heaven" and "Hell" are just the cosmic version of Halloween and Trick or Treat!!!
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John Owens
Fascinating how you deny God yet try to preach Jesus in such a way as to convince others of your philosophy. You would make a great subject for some psychology students to study.
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Rev. John D. Partin
I deny the homophobic and conservative propaganda and agenda "God" only, which isn't the same at all as denying God, and so did Jesus! So, he has no problem with my doing the same!
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Iconoclast
Either you accept the scripture or you don't. You can't rationally just accept the parts you like and reject the rest. If you don't think you should corrected by certain scriptures, you obviously should not try to use other scriptures to try and correct other people. The inconsistency you espouse reaches the level of schizophrenia.
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Ricardo Camara
Whats the schools exact policy that disqualifies him? And what exactly does the school say? I find it hard to believe that any christian institution would discriminate against someone because he is gay. The policy might be something like, " you are not allowed to brag or broadcast that you are gay," or something like that.
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susan jones
You are joking, right? Discriminating against gay people is kind of a pastime for xtians.
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John Owens
Sure. They have video games for that. Right.
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susan jones
Maybe even a museum, right next to Noah's Ark and the humans with the dinosaurs.
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Eric k
It has not a thing with being ok with him being ,could really careless but to come out right beforehand like he did, that's on him let's all grow up if you left what ever.he for sure went against a policy
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susan jones
He did not come out. He thought that he could change his sexuality but that didn't work out so well. Gary doesn't know how the school found out and the school isn't saying how they found out.
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WILLIAM BAKER
GOD WILL NOT ALLOW GAY PEOPLE INTO HEAVEN. IS THAT HIS RIGHT OR IS THAT DISCRIMINATION?
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Rev. John D. Partin
William Baker, you can't possibly know what God will or won't do about letting gay people into Heaven just from some homophobic verses in the Bible, which were written in order to make "God agree with them" and impose their views on other people and control them, because they didn't speak for God or really know God's mind anymore than you speak for God or know His mind. If God were to keep gay people out of Heaven because of their "sin" (as you say) of homosexuality, He would also keep you and other people like you out of Heaven because of your sin of narrow and small mindedness, since He doesn't want people to be narrow and small minded. God doesn't keep gay people out of Heaven and I know this because God is love and loves and accepts all people equally, unlike you and your ilk who don't love and accept all people equally. You should be very thankful that God is love and loves and accepts all people, instead of the narrow and small minded bigot that you believe that He is, because if He were that narrow and small minded, you and everybody like you would be right at the head of the line going down to Hell!!!
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Ben
William first no need to shout. All who go to christ, will get to heaven. Though, why would you want to? It's an eternity of telling a vengeful and cruel divinity; how awesome he is. I chose reincarnation thanks.
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susan jones
Reincarnation, or even hell would be better than sitting around every day worshiping a barbaric god.
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Ronald Hill
It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God wontw let homosexuals into heaven. It says a man that lies with another man has committed an abomination, not a sin. He shall be put to death as we all will. His blood shall be soon him, or in other words he will pay for his own wrong doings, as all of us will.
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Lionheart
Biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard. Thats the problem with all these mythical gods. They are all full of crap. The God you refer to also had a choice of abolishing Slavery or abolishing the eating of shellfish. Your pathetic God chose...........wait for it............. Shelfish. He is absolutely hilarious, and yet people are still so stupid to follow this mythical deity. The whole book you read and follow is hilarious. You can see why Monty Python made a parody film called The Life of Brian. Both Brian and Jesus are hilarious. If anyone wants a laugh to brighten their day just read your book and try and keep a straight face. Talking asses, talking snakes, man made from dust or ribs, a boat that carried the worlds animal species, including Penguins from Antarctica, all the marsupial species from Australia, a virgin that conceived from a deity. Who writes this rubbish! Better still, who believes this rubbish?
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susan jones
Not only did he not abolish slavery, he gave instructions on how you could beat your slaves within an inch of their life, as long as you didn't kill them.
In addition, how you could get away with raping women, as long as you force the woman to marry you after you rape them.
It would be hilarious, you know, if it weren't so barbaric.
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flugo
'Fools' That's what the Bible says you guys are.
Take a casual look at the comments on ULC. It'd be about 95% of you that rubbish the authenticity of the Bible, malign the living holy God of the Scriptures and scoff at the concept of a real heaven/hell.
Well, you personify the fulfillment of the prophecy of the Scriptures. (Matthew 7:13.14) It's a dreadful likelihood you represent the 'many' heading down the 'broadway' to eternal destruction.
But, there is an escape! Stop and repent. Turn to Savior Jesus, the ONLY way to appeasing the righteous demands of a loving god.
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Lionheart
b0blf Are you really as crazy as you sound? Your idiotic book that’s full of mythical rubbish is just as stupid as your mythical god. There’s no way I will turn your stupid religion. You really do need to get yourself an education and free yourself of your obdurate indoctrination and wake up.
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susan jones
There is no god and no heaven William. Come out of the dark ages and take a look around. No one has heard from or seen this god in at least 2000 years. Wake up.
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Rev. John D. Partin
b0blf, "Hell" is just something that the "Christians" have used to frighten people into conformity and submission to their "morality" and teachings and "Heaven" has been used to bribe people into doing the same!! Without the bribe of "Heaven" and the threat of "Hell", "Christianity" would have died out long ago!!! I give credit where credit is due and Anton Szandor LaVey (first High Priest of The Church of Satan) got it right when he wrote "Satan has been the best friend that the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!". "Hell Houses" are another example of the church's just using "Satan" and "Hell" to make money and stay in business, proving that the Satanists are correct about all of you "Christians"!!! Any actual goodness or virtue (not the nonsense that you call "goodness" and "virtue"!) is its own reward and doesn't need to be rewarded in "Heaven" or the lack of it punished in "Hell". Ragnar Redbeard in his book Might is Right also got, at least, this much right when he wrote: "There is no heaven of glory bright and no hell where sinners roast! Here and now is our day of torment! Here and now is our day of joy! Here and now is our opportunity! Choose ye this day, this hour, for no Redeemer liveth! Say unto thine own heart, 'I am mine own Redeemer!".....
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John Owens
William, don't mind Partum here. He makes a habit of typing long rants against you, full of his lies and gay bigotry, on blocks in the blog which are not connected to you, so you won't be notified that he's commented all his bold lunatic BS, unless you just happen to scroll past it. Of course, he loves to pretend he is so bold! He typed this one on the right block because he's testing you.
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R.L. Knight
I wonder would Jesus do it thus The school has the right it not sure the man. They claim to represent would have done the same
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susan jones
And if the man they claim to represent would have done the same, then they should not represent him.
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R.L. Knight
I wonder would Jesus do it thus the school has the right it not sure the ma. They claim to represent would 've the same
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John Owens
He knew what would happen if he came out. He should have stayed in the closet until he graduated, but nope. Just couldn't do it. It was in him and it had to come out. Like having to dance when music plays, he had to let it out. I still think it's mean they wouldn't let him graduate, but since everybody knows about it, it's about standards now.
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Ben
No one should be ashamed of who they are. What kind of cruel divinity creates someone and then say that his creation is unlawful?
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WILLIAM BAKER
THAT'S WHY THE WORLD IS GOING TO HELL. IF PEOPLE ARE NOT ASHAMED OF BEING A SINNER. HOW CAN THEY EVER TURN YO CHRIST? ALL MUST REPENT (BE SORRY) FOR THEIR SINS BEFORE CHRIST WILL ACCEPT THEM. CHRIST'S DIVINITY IS PERFECT. HE CAN NOT BE WRONG.
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Lionheart
William, you are too funny. There isn’t any hell, and if there was it’s very clear you’d be going there. Grow up and get educated.
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Ben
I don't believe in hell. I left the Christian church because god is cruel & hates his creation.
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John Owens
The common conception of Hell is just false, pagan superstition and is not taught in the scripture although people interpret it that way. The true biblical teaching is that most humans who ever lived will be saved.
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susan jones
I have no need to be accepted by a dead guy. There is no hell, so the world cannot go there.
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flugo
You guys (the majority of you post-ers) with your ignoring, badmouthing, and trashing the Bible and its God are accurately validating Matthew 7:13,14, in that wide the gate and broad the way that leads to destruction. The minority are heading to life on the 'straight and narrow' way.
To belittle this vital eternal truth and overlook sthe loving, forgiving, righteous God's conditions is to your own eternal peril
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Lionheart
b0blf: Oh, stop it, and grow up!
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Iconoclast
When one is trying to live among others as if you are one of them, you have to maintain cover
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John Owens
So, if a person is bestial, or a serial killer, they should not be ashamed of who they are? Adolf Hitler, Eichmann, Stalin should not be ashamed of who they are? If they rob little old ladies, they should not be ashamed? Not saying this young man was any of those things, but your declaration is a little... absolute. Maybe it needs a slight modification to project more accurately what you meant.
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Minister Carey
So funny the way you expressed this.
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susan jones
If your god hadn't created him gay in the first place, he wouldn't have had to "come out". If it was "in him", then your god put it in him.
Yes, it is beyond "mean" that they wouldn't let him graduate. If you acknowledge that, then how is it that you can, at the same time, condemn him for being exactly and precisely what he was created to be. "It's about standards now."? So, it's acceptable to be mean if it's about standards? I can only have sadness and pity for anyone who has fallen to that low "standard".
Thank you for reminding me of one of the many reasons why I left the "mean" church. When standards are more important than human love and kindness, I think that you may have lost your way because of those standards. "Judge not, lest you be judged.". Isn't that in one of your holy books somewhere?
Like having to dance when music plays (isn't that the point of music anyways?), I have to let it out too. Your cold hatred just makes me very sad. I must choose to reject your "standards". This is exactly and precisely why I left the xtian church. I choose to live in love and compassion and understanding. Perhaps I should apologize for that but then again, "What would jesus do?". I seem to recall that he hung around with prostitutes and criminals.
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John Owens
I'm sorry. You must be reading some things INTO my comment which I did not write. Where did I condemn anyone? He was in the closet all through school, and for whatever reason came out right before finishing. He should have remained in the closet until he got his degree, and THEN come out. About standards? That just means they aren't going to reverse their position or that would be admitting error. I lost MY way? I'm not the one who just blew a college degree.
Cold hatred? You must be insane. Your commentary ON my comment is four times longer than my comment. Your silly and self-righteous.
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John Owens
correction: ...You're silly...
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Eric k
Thank you for the common sense,
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Ben
They're is no common sense in what happened to this kid.
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susan jones
"He should have stayed in the closet until he graduated". That is a condemnation. You have no information that he said anything. It is not stated in the article that he came out to anyone at all. In fact, it states that they discovered a "secret" which implies that it was most definitely now well known. Your suggestion that he just "had" to let it out is just cruel. As if people can or should go around in shame if they cannot hide who they are from everyone else.
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Iconoclast
You are a moron. He lost his degree! If he'd KEPT IT A SECRET we wouldn't be having this discussion. Yeah, he had to let it out. You probably think anything is "cruel" if it is halfway intelligent. He obviously HID what he was before, or he wouldn't have been in that school. There are plenty of schools that don't give a damn.
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Val jester
Does God create people with Cystic Fibrosis? Or hypertensive disorder with head banging? No. Neither does he create gay people. We are born with a plethora of issues because of a sinful world. I would suggest Bible first and political ideology second.
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Lionheart
Sorry Val but your comment is an absolute load of indoctrinated rubbish. You'll be saying next that the earth is only 6,000 years old, and we only exists because of that drunkard that built an ark.
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flugo
Excellent! God would not create something of which He disapproves.
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Lionheart
@b0blf. Good point, so lets get back to slavery, and stoning people for picking up sticks on the sabbath. He created, and directed, both of these two stupid edicts that he felt good about.
Let's also blame all the illnesses of the earth on the sins of mankind. It sounds like a good cop-out plan to me that I think we can get away with if we play our religious cards right.
And as for priests molesting children, we can not only blame the priests for not following a loving god that does absolutely nothing about it, but we can also blame the little boys and girls because they obviously deserved it didn't they for being born in sin? That's an excellent cop-out plan to blame Adam and Eve, who we know didn't exist.
With a bit of luck I think we'll get away with it as long as we try to keep education as low as possible. We don't want people using logic, reason, and intelligent thought or they might start to see through our cunning plan.
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susan jones
To avoid further embarrassment to your self, why don’t you do your ‘homework’ on issues before showing your lack of scholarship? IF your god created everything, then he must have created things of which he disapproves. When he created poisons, did he sit back and laugh while human children suffered and died from said poisons, you know, until they figured out that certain plants are poisonous?
Before you start quoting xtian bible verses, you might want to check out the fact that NO ONE actually knows who the authors are of the books from which you claim to know what jesus said. It has now been proven that the suspected authors could not have written those books. No one has any clue what jesus may really have said, or if he even existed. So you'll have to excuse me if I do not believe what you claim that some dead guy said over two thousand years ago, based on some writings that were found in a cave by unknown authors, written many decades after the dead guy supposedly lived.
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susan jones
You know, I just cannot make myself like carrots. I know that they're really good for you and all and I have tried, many times over the years, to try them in different ways, cooked differently, in different recipes. No matter how hard that I have tried, I just don't like the damned carrots. I don't know why I don't like them. I really don't. I have given it my best effort.
I love cilantro. And limes. If we are out of either cilantro or limes, it is time to go shopping. Some people seriously freaking hate cilantro. Would you believe that there is actually a website "Ihatecilantro"? I am not kidding. There actually is such a website.
Does god create each of us with our preferences?
I am not gay. I prefer the opposite sex. I have never once had even the slightest interest in having sex with someone of the same gender. The mere thought of it would make me cringe. This is NOT a choice. It it what it is. I don't like carrots, I love cilantro and limes, and I am not attracted to other women. None of these preferences are choices.
If you like carrots, great. I am very happy for you. If you like the same or the opposite gender, that's great too. I want you to be happy and fulfilled being who you are, who you were created to be if you believe in creation.
Gay people have been shamed and ridiculed and even abused and murdered throughout history. Their own families have rejected them. How can you possibly think that anyone would choose this?
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Carl Elfstrom
He created you, didn't he ? That's proof enough.
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Ben
Didn't god create everything? You Christians and your cherry picking what teachings you follow is disgusting. Namely you've all forgotten "judge not, lest he be judged". All of your Gary bashers are willful sinners.
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flugo
Ben: To avoid further embarrassment to your self, why don't you do your 'homework' on issues before showing your lack of scholarship. Your cherry picking of 'judge not lest he be judged' is proof off this.
Jesus Himself judged: Matthew 7:6, :15,:16. And, He advised us how to Judge: John 7:24. AND, in Luke 17:3 we're encouraged to 'rebuke' the errant, which involves judging..
The Scriptures have many examples of being discerning, perceptive and judgmental.
AND, your 14 Sep is inane. Jesus many times referred to the Old Testament in His ministry.
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WILLIAM BAKER
GOD DID NOT CREATE HIM AS A GAY MAN. HE CHOSE TO BE GAY. AND IF HE DOES NOT ACCEPT CHRIST IN HIS LIFE. HE WILL BURN IN HELL FOREVER.
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Carl Elfstrom
God has quite a sense of humor, doesn't he ?
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susan jones
Does your god create babies with congenital heart disease? Yes he does, according to anyone that believes that he created all humans. A baby that is born only to suffer it's entire life and then die before her first birthday? What sin did she or any other infant commit that they should be condemned to such suffering? Babies all over the world that are born into hunger and starve to death, are condemned before they are even born. Why do you suggest "Bible first", as if we don't all know already exactly and precisely what it says. I have read your so called holy book from cover to cover, many times over. I have no political idealogy here. If that is the god that you choose to worship, have fun with that. As far as I am concerned, your god is a cruel monster and frankly, I would rather burn in hell than worship him.
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Carl Elfstrom
We have to pay off karmic debt, some of which comes from previous lives. And there's no telling what we did back then when we weren't the spiritual giants we are now. Life doesn't always seem fair, but in the long run it really is, even if it's too boggling for our limited human minds to conceive of.
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Lionheart
Carl, you are hilarious. Which planet are you from? It certainly isn’t the one we call earth!
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Boots
Have you ever touch a hot stove, or something of that nature. I am sure you did not like it. There are many things we do not like. If you deny the Lord as Your Personal Savior, and happened to parish prior to repentance. I feel for you in that type of forever lasting life. Only through Jesus will you be saved, and enter Eternity forever. So if you would rather burn for ever and feel the pain forever, so be it, by the way I pray for you to repent and when you leave this earth, you be in Eternity and live Forever. Amen!!!!
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Ben
Val didn't your omnipotent/omniscient god create everything?
Let god judge, youth should just MYOB.
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Carl Elfstrom
Lionheart, There are numerous religions in this world that believe in reincarnation and the law of karma. Reincarnation is even spoken of in the old testament. I have even spoken to some Christians who believe in the law of karma. So what planet did you come from. My guess is you just appeared in the ether, and will soon disappear from whence you came.
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Lionheart
Carl, just because some of you "believe" in the law of Karma, and reincarnation, it doesn't make it true, no matter where it is written, when it was written, or how many believe in it. I don't come from the planet of make believe, and myth, I come from the planet of reality, science, and reason, which is pretty much what you rely on to get through your day, such as computers, transport, food, the seat you sit in, the bed you lie on, and the home you live in. I "never" need your planet of mythical tales to get me through each day, so welcome to my world......the real one that you need.
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susan jones
The article does not say how the information came out. It is entirely possible that the student had nothing to do with the information coming out and it is entirely possible that he discovered that he was gay, during his years of study at the college.
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Carl Elfstrom
It's also entirely possible that someone saw him giving a B.J. in the men's restroom. It's entirely possible that he was going down on their nelly, old principle, for extra credit, and that he did it, like always, in the name of Jesus, but the principle was in fear of losing his job, and that superseded the will of his god.
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Iconoclast
Yep. That secret came out, because he didn't keep it secret.
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Father Thom
Not correct to assume it was the student who wanted to dance. Sometimes vengeful people cause the trouble. Many of us aren't as you insinuate. Please don't make generalizations about us. Know we are diverse and part of the same human genomes as all of us.
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John Owens
Thom, the part about dancing was metaphorical. Diverse. Yeah. What generalization did I make? You read something I didn't write.
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WILLIAM BAKER
SOME HUMANS ARE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL AND SOME CHILDREN OF GOD. WE HAVE CHOICE TO BE SAVED OR GO TO HELL. IT IS ENTIRELY UP TO EACH PERSON.
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Ben
Stop shouting William, it's rude. I'm a child of Gaia, not of your god or your devil.
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Iconoclast
And yet you want to tell us about Jesus. Tisk, tisk.
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Eric k
Could not agree more, should have stayed in the closet a little while longer. I mean he knew it was a Christian based school
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Ben
John Owens the article said that they "discovered he was gay", not that he went public. Q: What did christ say about homosexuality? A: Nothing. And that's what should have happened to this poor kid, nothing.
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Iconoclast
He shouldn't have been in that school. He knew better when he went there. They wouldn't have "discovered" he was gay if he hadn't been doing SOMETHING to reveal it.
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Ben
John, right. Like how we've discovered that you're a homophobic, uninformed, unchristlike, blowhard. All without you telling us. Thing is, you don't feel need to hide that and he shouldn't need to either.
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Iconoclast
I typed this earlier on my cell-phone, and now I am at a computer, so I will edit it a little--
It’s really SUPER hypocritical of YOU, a pagan, to try to tell others about scripture, or being Christlike. It is not homophobic of me to point out the obvious, that this guy was hiding who he was and didn’t do it thoroughly enough to graduate. In what alternate universe is that homophobic, you twit? You, like many other young liberal morons just throw out the same dumbass baseless accusations they all do, when you have nothing intelligent to say.
As to being a blowhard, look at the length and arrogance of YOUR comments, and you seem to be BLOWING much more than I, you blind goofball.
If you can’t grow a brain,, at least try to grow a personality.
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Iconoclast
You seem to be blowing a lot harder than I, and there is not one thing in this post to suggest that I am homophobic, so you are also a liar.
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susan jones
He went there thinking that he could change his sexuality.
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Ben
But ya can't. It's the way you are. Can't change your spots.
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Carl Elfstrom
I agree emphatically with John Owens. He brought it on himself. He could have waited until after graduation and posted on Facebook that a gay student finally graduated from that university. And I suggest that other gay students there keep quiet about it until after graduation, and do the same thing. That will really give them something to pray about.
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Jeff Hunt
The article doesn't say he "came out". Here is the text shown in the article: "Apparently, officials at the small Christian college in Pennsylvania discovered a secret which led to their decision to dismiss him: Campbell is gay." Sounds to me more like someone else "outed" him.
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Iconoclast
If it was a secret, they couldn't have "outed" him if he'd been keeping it on the down-low. If he didn't keep it a secret, it is the same as coming out. You don't have to have a big quinceañera-type party to come out. You can come out by hitting on someone, or posting pics with others who are known to be gay.
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Iconoclast
They didn't find out by magic. He did something. Probably posted a FB pic kissing another dude.
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susan jones
Someone else did and the school will not say who it was.
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susan jones
He did not come out. He does not know how the school found out and the school will not say how they found out. I guess the god that created him just couldn't fix his mistakes after all. Go figure!
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Carl Elfstrom
Yeah, that's right Susan. He was just being himself, which means acting gay, or at least frivolent and flamboyant and talking campy, without even realizing it, or going out of his way to do so. There are many tricks in the closet, she just hasn't learned them yet. And then there's gay-dar!
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Carl Elfstrom
I made a mistake by writing frivolent instead of frivolous. It's always best to proofread before posting.
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susan jones
Well who else could he be besides himself? The person that he was created to be.
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Ben
Carl, I guess you know all these stay in the closet tricks? The ones you learned while finely honed gay-dar? So, you should be able to sympathize with Gary.
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susan jones
If he didn’t even realize it, then he cannot be accused of trying to cover it up. Even more to the point, If he didn’t give it up or was not going out of his way, then he really was just being himself.
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Rev William Dorsch
The school has every right not to accept a gay/lesbian student especially if it's a Christian School. Let me sight Leviticus 18. The School is in my opinion following the word of God.
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Rev. Rene
Yes, this is certainly true, except.......They had already accepted this student to partake AND undoubtedly pay for the curriculum. And since he was apparently very close to finishing the class, and was willing to finish off campus so as to not disturb the moral majority of the school, it is in my opinion very nearsighted to expel , as well as unchristian!!!
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Jim D.
The problem here, Rev. Rene, is that the student lied. The article says, "homosexuality is a clear violation of the school’s faith-inspired student conduct policy." I'm sure the student was provided this before he even applied. He attended the school under false pretenses, and he was caught. No, they should not make an exception for him. They have no obligation to do that. Sorry, but that's the cold, harsh reality.
Now, that being said, I think this situation is crap. In this day and age, to think there are institutions that still discriminate against gay people is absurd. As I inferred earlier, the college has the right not to allow gay people to attend. Then who in their right mind would still attend such a college? This is no different than the baker that doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. Why is the baker forced to violate his/her beliefs, but this college isn't? It's a ton of BS with a cherry on top.
IMHO, government should stay out of the whole thing because government sucks at everything anyway. If the baker and this college want to be homophobic, let them. In time, people will stop going to that baker and attending that college, mostly because I believe most people get it. They understand that the same sex couple and the gay student are just people trying to live their lives. Dinosaurs died out for a reason... they could not adapt. Narrow-minded bakers and homophobic colleges will go the way of the dinosaur one day, or they will learn to adapt.
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susan jones
This is one of those situations where they should have just made an exception. They had already accepted and taken his money for several years. Since he was so close to graduation, AND IN ADDITION, had offered not to set foot on the campus, they should have allowed it. That would, after all, be the kind and compassionate way to treat someone as you would like to be treated. I believe that this is referred to as the "Golden Rule".
And while you're citing Leviticus, perhaps you should take a moment to look up the origins of what you cite, in addition to the correct spelling of the word "cite". Since we all now know that there was no Moses, the entire book of Leviticus is pretty much invalid.
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John Owens
No one KNOWS that there was no Moses.
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Thom
It has been acknowledged by two of the oldest religions who admit the Bible are myths and stories told to teach the lessons. No historical credit.
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susan jones
Sure we do. Even Orthodox Jews have stated that the stories were just myths and legends, and that there was no Abraham or Adam & Eve and that they were no one's ancestors. There was no Exodus. The stories conflict with all of the known historical records, so much, that they simply cannot be accepted as truth. They were written in a language that did not exist at the time that Moses supposedly lived. I could go on but it is now generally accepted that the books were never intended to be taken literally or historically.
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Lionheart
Yes, a virgin birth has as much credence as the talking snake and talking ass, not to mention the Moses issue.
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flugo
Susan: Where is your head? . . . . (pretty obvious)
Recent archaeologists have found encrusted chariot wheels and chariot axles on the sea floor. at the site of the Israelites' crossing. Other related artifacts also exist there.
They've also found five cities (including Sodom and Gomorrah) reduced to the type of destruction and ashes that only fire and brimstone could produce.
It'd do you well to know what your're talking about before embarrassing yourself.
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Iconoclast
Okay, so, where is your proof? How can you demonstrate your proof? Of course you cannot. You choose to believe what you believe.
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Iconoclast
BTW, how do you explain the granite columns that Solomon had erected on each side of the Gulf of Aqaba only 400 years after the Exodus? Was Solomon in the business of creating myth?
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Lionheart
Was Solomon’s name engraved on those granite columns then? I must have missed that.
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Iconoclast
Lionheart-- The one on the western side was too eroded by the sea, but the one on the Arabian side did have Solomon's name on it.
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John Owens
I should have said the Egyptian side.
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WILLIAM BAKER
GOD NEVER MAKES EXCEPTIONS. THERE WAS A MOSES.
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Jim
what do you think that Jesus Christ was sent to live among men and die for their sins on the cross was for? It is the very definition of making exceptions.
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susan jones
No. There was no Moses. It was just a story. No historical facts about him anywhere. Works attributed to him were written in a language that didn't exist at his time. Events were written about that had not occurred yet, etc. Even Orthodox Jews acknowledge that it was just a myth.
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flugo
Susan; Where's your head? (It's quite obvious.)
Archaeologists have recently found encrusted chariot wheels, axles and other associated artifacts on the sea bed where the miraculous crossing took place with Moses and the millions of followers.
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Lionheart
Her head is right on her shoulders, unlike yours. She is quite right. Artefacts are being found by archaeologists all the time. Still no evidence of Moses yet, or even Jesus for that matter. You’ll find car wheels at the bottom of Lake Michigan does that mean you were there, or was that Moses as well in your eyes. You’d make a terrible archaeologist. You’d be assuming anything to suit your beliefs.
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Ben
Susan - Adam, Eve, Noah, Moses, Samson, Mohammed, Hercules, Perseus, the Baba Yaga, etc Are all people of myth and legend. Perhaps they existed or maybe not. Perhaps their exploits weren't exactly as they were portrayed... it doesn't matter. It's the message that matters. That's our spirituality. it feeds our heartspace, not our headspace.
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Lionheart
Ben, how could you? You missed out Santa Clause, Fairies, Jedi Warriors, and Harry Potter, and many others that fills our heartspace.
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Nathaniel Robert Hunt
Then the school needs to return his money , and Leviticus also banns pork /work on Saturday and mixed clothing
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Ben
Leviticus is only a history book. Christians are only supposed to follow the new testament as taught by christ.
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Iconoclast
Leviticus is a law book and there is no scripture stating that Christians are only supposed to follow the "new testament".
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Ben
Hebrews 8:6-13. “But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also the Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah- “not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. “None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. “For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away”.
Our Bible has an Old Testament and a New Testament. The Old Testament was given to the Jews, the New Testament commands were given to all nations.
Also, the New Testament has taken the place of the Old Testament. God’s people today are not under the Old Testament. We are under the New.
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Iconoclast
Ben, not one word of that says the law is done away. It says the whole earth shall keep them, and will be full of the knowledge of God.
The word there should be "Covenant". Not, "testament". Either way, there is no scripture that says Christians are only supposed to follow the new testament. The law is the law. Regardless of which covenant. The only difference is the fact that it becomes ingrained and everyone knows it.
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Carl Elfstrom
John, where does it state in the Bible that Christians are supposed to believe in or follow any part of the Bible? I could have sworn that the old testament was based on Judaism, and Christians aren't Jewish. Besides that, it just happened to be the primary religion practiced in the country where Jesus was from. Whether he knew it or not, Jesus and his life was the basis for a new religion, of which had nothing to do with the practice of Judaism. So why did they include teachings from that other religion in the primary text of the Christian religion at all ? In light of that don't you think it's time for Christianity to quit using the teachings of that other religion, much of which goes against the teachings of Jesus and therefore confuses many Christians, and stands up on its own two feet (for a change) as the independent religion that it truly is. Or, should it be forever cursed to incorporate teachings of another religion into it, as set forth by the confused notions of the original authors and publishers of the Bible, who lived and died thousands of years ago, in another region of the world,when and where such notions were far more acceptable ?
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John Owens
Carl,
These leapt to mind when I read your comment.
Jesus said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments," and, "Not one jot or tittle shall in any wise pass from the Law, until all things be fulfilled," and, "I and My Father are One. If ye have seen me, ye have seen the Father."
"Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, but he that does the will of My Father." "He that shall break the least commandment and teach others to do so shall be called the least in the kingdom of God, but he who shall do and teach them shall be called great in the kingdom of God." " Sin is transgression of the law." (1 John 3:4)
"by this do we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep His commandments, for this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments." (1 John 5:2,3)
(Rev 12:17 ) "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
(Rev 22:14) "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Hebrews 4:9 "there remains, therefore, a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of God" The KJV mistranslates it as, "there remains therefore a rest unto the people of God," but most scholars agree the Greek says "sabbatismos" which is a conjugation for "keeping of the Sabbath".Just to name a few, off the top of my head.
The commands never change, because the Commander never changes. "I am the Eternal. I change not." (Malachi something) It would be totally unfair and unjust for Noah or Abraham or Moses or David to have to live by a different set of standards than you and I. I'm afraid we fall short, partially due to the false teachings we absorbed since childhood, including Christmas, Easter, Halloween, and church on Sunday, Immortal Soul, Heaven and Hell, all that mythology crap, propagated by the whore of Babylon and her abominable daughters.
The New Covenant is not an abolishing of any commandments, and we are not living under the New Covenant yet. It can be read, of course, in Jeremiah 31:31. When the New Covenant comes to pass, ALL will believe the same and practice the same.
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Carl Elfstrom
My landlord is Muslim. So when I feed him pork chops off my grill I tell him they're chicken, and he doesn't have a problem eating them. People only say and do what's convenient for them at the time.
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WILLIAM BAKER
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Boots
I know for a fact, that if a Muslim or any other religion happens to eat a food they are not suppose to and like it, because they may have been told it was something else and continue to eat and love it. This does not mean, they are disobeying and religions beliefs. What the eyes do not see, the heart does not feel, a true statement. Only the known and disobeyed is against the religion. Beside religion is just that a religion, the key picture is believing in Jesus, or Lord and Savior. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, those are the things that count and make people believers. Tons of people go to different Religion Worship Places, to Honor there Leader, only the people that Honor God, Jesus are the true Worshiping People of any Nation within the World. Anything or anyone that believes different, I wish them the best, because if they fail to repent to Jesus, they are missing eternal life and I pray for them to repent and ask Jesus in their Lives. End or Story.
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Ben
Boots An eternity on your knees, praising god?
Pffft! You can have your eternal life. I'll take reincarnation. My Gods don't want me on my knees.
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Lillian
Now, that's a relevant comment, Mr. Hunt. Many Christians pick and choose what they will acknowledge as the word of God among the words in the Bible. Growing up Jewish, I learned that there are 613 mitzvot (commandments) in the "old testament" alone. When a person who condemns LGBTQ stops eating cheeseburgers and shaving "the corners of their beards" then their opinions about the word of God will have merit.
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John Matthews
Brava Lillian. Hypocrites abound on this site and in Christian churches. I work in a church and see it almost every day.
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Boots
This is another very true comment. Many people working in the house of the Lord/Churches do many things our Savior would be not proud of. Hypocrites I would not say, because Hypocrites do the opposite things, sayings, and association within societies. This all boils done to SIN, we all SIN regardless of the type SIN is SIN no other way to look at it. The whole moral to the religion is believing in Jesus and trying to follow him, as he is our image in life. Many fail, but many repent daily, that is the difference, if you never repent, and go on doing evil, Satan things, the Lord will intervene and cause, hardships, disasters, and all Satan's evil temptations happing to you, at sometime or another. When disaster happens, it puts many people in Harms Way, and it get much attention, especially in todays world with all the electronics. If it happens, and is very harmful, everyone usually gets to view, or hear, where and what happened, and is happening or continues to happen. Something is definitely wrong there, wherever. The old saying is Cleanliness is Godliness. Although Jesus had long hair, and wore sandals, I am sure his feet got rather dirty at times. Moral of the Comment is to look for a dwelling that serves our Lord Jesus, and preaching from the Holy Bible, listen, and learn and become a child of God. This is the highest Priority in Life.
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Boots
I thought I posted a reply to this one. You are correct in your comment. Many see this all of the time. I would not call them Hypocrites as some may be, but most are just people with common ordinary SIN, as we all are Sinners not a one on this earth that is not. This is why we repent to Jesus to relieve us of our sinful, earthly, worldly, temptations, which happen daily and much more often with all the electronic talent we have in the World. Christians are in many Churches, especially the ones that teach and preach the Holy Bible, God's Word. Many people have different religions, beliefs, because of children/adult upbringing. Also, many go to hear what they want to hear and if they don't hear this or that and happen to hear something that offends. They continue to seek another Church or Worshiping Services. The Key is a loving church, teaching and preaching the Bible. Having children and youth services, along with the ministry and obeying God's doings and wishes. End of Story.
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Iconoclast
Actually no commandment against eating beef and cheese.
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Ben
John Lillian was refuting to the old testament and Judaism, where you can't eat two or more items from the same animal (beef and cheese) in the same meal.
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Iconoclast
I understand that, but that is not in the Torah. That is Jewish tradition. A gross exaggeration of a commandment not to boil a kid or calf in its mother's milk.
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Carl Elfstrom
Have you heard that opinions are like a--holes. We all have one and they all stink. Didn't you know that the author of Leviticus was a closet queen?
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Rev. John D. Partin
Rev. William Dorsch, we don't live in a theocracy, such as Iran, and so Leviticus 18 or any other passage of Scripture that condemns homosexuality is irrelevant to American law and life in our society, and can't, therefore, be allowed to restrict or eliminate gay or any other people's rights here. Would you really prefer that we lived in a theocracy, such as Iran, and had religious leaders here telling us what we could or couldn't do and running our lives for us, according to their views of what God is saying and interpretation of Scripture, the same as they do there? Then separate yourself and all other people who want to live under a theocracy and go form your own country, and leave those of us who like and want freedom here alone to this country!! The last time that I checked, no private school or any other institution in this country has SECEDED FROM THE UNION!!! (which even the South during the Civil War wasn't able to do) and so American rights and freedoms for ALL!!!!! of its people still overrule any discriminatory regulations of these institutions and people get to have their rights, no matter where they are. Biblical verses against homosexuality were only put into the Bible, anyway, by homophobes, in order to make "God agree with them" and so impose their will on other people and control them. God isn't a bigot and so any obvious bigotry in the Bible was put there by human beings, not by God. That is just logical and deductive reasoning.
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susan jones
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John Owens
"logical and deductive reasoning", from the most illogical, least reasonable, neurotic headcase hypocrite on all ULC blogs. The guy who doubts God's existence, believes the Bible was written by homophobes and male chauvinists, and then tries to use biblical arguments to justify his bigotry and extort acceptance from those who disagree with him. Did I mention how his comments are rife with absolute lies?
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Rev. John D. Partin
Your calling me "the most illogical, least reasonable, neurotic headcase hypocrite on all ULC blogs", considering your own views and statements against gay people, Muslims, women's rights, believing victims of sexual assault, equal rights and justice for all, and many other issues is really the whole pot factory calling a single kettle "black"!! I don't doubt the actual God's existence, but only this obviously invented "God's" existence, since "He" is, clearly, just the tool of conservative and rightwing propaganda, prejudice, agenda, and homophobia. Still, love and light shine through all of you and your ilk's attempts to smother it in the Bible and I have no problem quoting that and trying to convince people with that, as Jesus didn't. You "think" that my and some other people's comments are "rife with absolute lies" because that is what you are all about and so merely project that on to everyone else and judge everyone else, who disagrees with you, by yourself!
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John Owens
The only people who find your lunatic ramblings logical or palatable are those who share your neuroses.
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susan jones
Well, Gary actually thought that he could change his sexuality. As it turned out, he could not. Seems like the school and their god didn't do such a good job helping Gary.
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Rev. John D. Partin
John Owens, considering your own ACTUALLY!!! lunatic ramblings (even though you, stupidly, consider them "great wisdom"), your calling my or anyone else's posts here "lunatic ramblings" is really the biggest joke in this blog and proof, once again, that you don't know what in the Hell you are talking about and don't even understand your own posts and the nonsense that you are always spouting in here!! You are, quite obviously, neurotic and heading towards psychotic yourself or you couldn't even say half of that garbage that you spout in here!! Go and see a whole team of psychiatrsts so that they can try to help you out of your sick "thinking", as even you really know that it is!!!
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Dan Atatakai
Apparently, this "school" is not accredited. If it were, they would not be able to discriminate as such.
Too bad that these people do not really understand what these passages in the bible that they use to reference to homosexuality, when in reality, it has NOTHING to do with it.
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Clayton Beardmore
and Gomorrah was really the Garden of Eden.
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susan jones
There was no garden of Eden, as there was no Adam & Eve.
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Carl Elfstrom
I bet you have fond memories of that dream, don't you Clay ?
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kelly
What about Judge not lest ye be judge? Who is without sin? Jesus main teaching was to love God and then love others as you love yourself. How is this following the love other example of Jesus? It isn't in my opinion. I feel very sorry for this young man. And if he should read this know I love you just as you are!
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WILLIAM BAKER
JESUS ALSO COMMANDED HIS CHILDREN TO COME OUT FROM AMONG SINNERS, 662-523-4258
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Jim
and sinners would include those who disobey the order to not pass judgement, as a matter of fact I believe that those people would be considered as hypocrites, according to the bible, but that is for god to decide and not me. So many of today's Christians pick and choose which passages that fit into their attitude, that is not being a Christian, it all comes down to good deeds and good soul. Those who preach hate and judgement are placing themselves, and the souls of their followers in danger of eternal damnation.
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flugo
Jim: You need to read my comment to Kelly. You're 'picking and choosing' instead of looking at the big picture.
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Liam
Indeed. Our minds only "see dimly" and "know in part." The internal Presence of the Holy Spirit is Who provides relevant discernment in each case. God knows the full context not only of this young man's life but also of each life he will impact. His private sexuality is not as critical as his public service. I pray that he not lose faith in Christ but rather seek the Spirit over any institution.
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Gary
If Jesus was so concerned about homosexuality, it is very strange that he made no mention of it in his 3 years of ministry. He called out a lot of other sins by name but not that issue.
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flugo
Gary: Pull your head out!
In Matthew 19:4&:5 Jesus DID address the sexual issue. NO way would His comments allow two of the same gender to be united.
AND, Jesus is God. So, if God calls homosexuality an abomination, Jesus has the same opinion.
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Lionheart
The same goes for God. He had a choice of either banning slavery or shellfish.
He went with the obvious.....shellfish. !!!!!!!!
What sort of God is that?
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susan jones
And how, exactly, do you know what he said?
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Carl Elfstrom
William,Jesus didn't have any children. The Bible didn't even say that Jesus ever had sex with à woman. Are you saying that Jesus was the mother of his children ?
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Ben
It's implied that Mary the Magdalen was his wife.
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John Owens
It is not implied anywhere in the scriptures.
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flugo
Kelly: Before you show your ignorance of the teachings of Jesus, you ought to do your homework.
In Matthew 7:6, :15-:16, and in 23:23 Jesus did quite a bit of 'judging'. And, He taught us to judge 'rightly'. in John 7:24. In Luke 17:3 we are told to 'rebuke' the errant.
All this involves discernment, perception, and judgement.
All of us are under the righteous judgment of God right now because of our sinful nature. But there is an escape . . . turning to Jesus as our ONLY Savior Jesus took our 'judgment' on the cross.
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Ben
b0blf "All of us are under the righteous judgment of God right now because of our sinful nature. But there is an escape . . . turning to Jesus as our ONLY Savior Jesus took our ‘judgment’ on the cross." I'm not a sinner, I've never sinned, I've got a friend named Apollo. I'm responsible for my own actions. I don't need the cop-out of sin and "the devil made me do it". I also don't need saving. God isn't righteous and there is no hell.
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Billie McCarty Jr.
This whole discussion makes me very happy to be an atheist.
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John Matthews
B0blf, Matthew 19:1-12 deals with the Pharisees trying to test Jesus with his stance on divorce, not homosexuality. In no way does he speak of homosexual behavior and references Old Testament scripture. Jesus is not setting a New Testament precedent based on Old Testament scripture. He also speaks of eunuchs and their lot in life for not being able to consummate or participate in marriage of any kind. God called the eating of pork and shellfish an abomination along with mixed fabric clothing. Pull your head out, man. Jesus changed all that. Jesus dealt with sinners of every kind much more than His believers. Shouldn't we deal with sinners the same way? Loving them and making our conduct more like Jesus Christ? Get off your hate bandwagon, please, before you send yourself to perdition with your hate.
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susan jones
Before you show your ignorance of the teachings of jesus, you ought to do your homework. Who created that supposed sinful nature in the first place?
I will not be judged by some supposedly supreme being who can't figure out anything more creative than to punish his own child for something that he didn't do, and violate his own laws forbidding human sacrifice.
For all of time people have been judging gay people, shaming and ridiculing them. Their very own families have rejected them and to this very day, there are many countries that will kill or maim them just for being who they are. That you would even suggest that anyone would choose this lifestyle is just insane.
But if you like that so called holy book that was written by men that didn't even know that the world is round, then you might want to read the part that says "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.". Unless you are perfect and never do anything wrong, it is not for you to judge.
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Title IX, the federal policy which prevents discrimination has nothing to do with accreditation, it is a requirement of public funding. This college appears to be a private Baptist Seminary accredited by the Middle States Commission on Higher Education.
Although it was within their legal rights, it was an unconscionable and unchristian action to revoke his ability to complete his degree based. Hopefully a public institution will let him transfer and complete a degree without much more cost or delay.
And hopefully this story helps young LGBT people to make a choice of school that is a better fit. Owning your identity and building a life around it is much easier-in the long run- than keeping secrets and trying to fit into an artificial norm.
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Boots
The artificial norm, is and has been a fade, since time. There were many in this category during Jesus time on earth, setting an example of what it is to be a perfect human being. He knew, an knows nobody will ever be perfect as he set the example. He died on the cross for our SINS. LGBTQ is SIN, along with steeling, murder and the other Ten Commandments. I would say Every human being living on Earth during this worldly time comments Sin Daily. This is way we all should repent, everyday of our early life to Jesus, for Forgiveness, and try not to commit the same sins continually. Which many of us do even as we driving our vehicles, or using vulgar language, many other things which are in the Commandments. God wrote the Ten Commandment to Mosses, to tell all the people, and share the word. So Sin has and will continue to go on in our earthly worldly nation. Only time will tell, who are believers and have a everlasting eternal life. OR die with continued torment fire, brimstone, agony, and pain forever. I would rather have eternal life, for Eternity and enjoy all the miracles.
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Ben
I'm not a sinner, I've never sinned. I've got a friend named Apollo. So ya know that when I die, I'll be reincarnated. I'm not a Christian. Don't believe in sin or the devil. According to Christian mythology though, Jesus died for your sins. ANYONE who accepts Jesus as lord/savior goes to heaven. No acceptions. Look it up.
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Stephen A Masone
Actually it is an accredited University.
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Just keep the evidence for your prosecution coming there, Dummy, which is guaranteed because you aren't even smart enough to know the difference between evidence for the prosecution against you and evidence for your "defense" (if there were any such evidence at all--and that's not happening!!) and "think" that evidence for the prosecution against you (as seen by everyone who isn't as delusional as you are and can still tell the difference between these two things) is really "evidence for your defense"!! All schizophrenics, such as yourself, "think" that "somebody other than myself" is being referred to when someone addresses them and so your "thinking" the same thing when I'm addressing you, JUGHEAD OWENS!!!, is just more evidence of your schizophrenia and evidence for the prosecution against you, even if you will never be able to figure that out!! Hey, we don't require people, such as you, to be sane or know what you are saying in order to convict you by your own words that keep tumbling stupidly out of your mouth or on to your keyboard, but only require you to keep saying and writing them, which you couldn't stop doing if you tried---and you'll never try!!! All schizophrenics, such as you, "think" that "everyone else is a liar, bigot, demented, deflector, and hater, and needs to look up words in a dictionary to know what they mean and stop using them against schizophrenics and never any of these things applying to them" and so your saying the same thing is still more evidence of your schizophrenia and for the prosecution against you!! So, please, don't stop now (as if you would!) and just keep that evidence against you coming, as is clearly seen by everyone else not afflicted by your mental disorders, and doing my job against you for me!! I need the rest and delight in reading all of your self-incrimination and especially your ignorance and blindness about your doing that!! Dream on and try to do some of it while actually asleep, for a change!!
Crickets!