The Crisis at the Border: ULC Ministers Debate

flugo

Nguyen is right on!

Sibyl

Faye Kirkpatrick is a liar.

Rev. Tom Brown

I worked migrant labor in Wisconsin , California and Alaska. I lived, breathed, eat and worked with other legal migrant laborers. The illegal aliens working in my town now are a waste of time. I joined the Navy to defend out borders in 1968, and then found that the rich Republicans wanted illegals like the rich Republican in Iowa that hired the illegal who went out and raped and murdered the college girl last year. They also wanted me dead in Vietnam along with a lot of Vietnamese. I declined that. Rich Republicans like Donald Trump - who hires illegals on every job site he controls - don't care about us, they only want our money. We need secure borders, we don't need the kind of people who run away from problems at home to get a better deal here because a lot of us did not run away, we fixed the problems and paid the price for it. Illegals don't want to pay any price at home or here. Trump is a liar, but what he says about illegals is true.

Lionheart

Don't you just love ULC? The moderators must be reveling in the topics they select to see us all go at it hammer and tongue in the amphitheater of this blog.

Would the border crisis disturb Jesus?

Was Jesus disturbed? LOL.

Perhaps more to the point, did he ever exist?

Okay lions. Have at it!

See you in the comments.

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Don

"Border Conditions Would Appall and Disturb Jesus"

Not the Jesus in the Bible it wouldn't. This same character advocated for the beating of slaves (Luke 12:47-48) and murdering non believers (Luke 19:27). Not to mention following all of the evil, immoral Old Laws (Matthew 5:18).

Know your Bible!

Mark Hannon

This Sunday is "the Good Samaritan" Sunday in the liturgy followed by Catholics, Lutherans and a few other Protestant churches. I find it ironic that we have to discuss who our neighbor is in this day and time.

Kim

These people are not immigrants. They're illegal aliens....trespassers

Martha Knight

The sin of Sodom was gross inhospitality. The Old Testament law commanded the hebrew nation to be kind to the alien in their midst. The Hebrew nation invaded other countries and took their land to use as their own. Jesus did not encourage rebellion against the hated Roman conqueror, which disappointed many who had been impressed by him as a teacher. He and Paul told Christian believers not to be in conflict with the ruling Romans because the kingdoms of this world are not as important as God's kingdom-- and at that time believers thought Christ would return and claim his own in their lifetime, or soon. The rule of law includes allowing people to seek asylum in the United States, and for their claims to be processed promptly and in an orderly manner. Our laws governing entry by immigrants do not include taking children from parents and keeping them in various facilities, including some that are inadequate and unhealthy, indefinitely. Applying the term "illegals" to asylum seekers and others who were turned away by closed ports of entry is a propaganda technique.

Carrie

Would Jesus have been disturbed? I don't know, I don't care. If he existed, if he meant anything....I personally know at least three, very much alive. Nice guys! Anyway, not a Christian, won't get involved, got my own thoughts about stuff but they want you Christians to fight it out...have fun!

Ben

Everyone should be disturbed by how the women and children are treated in these concentration camps.

James Mounts

You don't need money to solve this problem, just the desire of Congress to do it.

Kirk

I really like the hypocrites that say Jesus didn’t approve of the Romans telling people what to do (over taxing) and saying the people should give to the poor. Now these hypocrites want the government to take everybody’s money against their will (seriously over taxing) and give it to an ENDLESS number of people that are coming into the country illegally. Why should my money go to someone who knowingly breaks the law? There’s an illegal that comes into the hospital here for a week every month for emergency treatment. Her bill is over $100,000 every month. Each time she comes in she has forty family members visit her per day. Why don’t these family members pay for relatively cheap regular treatment to prevent her suffering and prevent these huge bills? Because to them, this emergency treatment is free! Don’t blame Trump for high medical bills and coverage! This lady has been coming in here every month for more than a decade. Blame this illegal and her family! She’s just one example of why illegals from all over the world need to be stopped. Jesus certainly wouldn’t approve of her, or her family taking advantage in a very negative sense.

The Rev. Brother Robert Barker

White Evangelical Protestants are the least likely to say the U.S. has a responsibility to help refugees. What percentage of the following religious groupings believe the United States has a responsibility to accept refugees? How interesting that the Religiously unaffiliated or Nones along with Black Protestants are more caring and compassionate, and moral than White Evangelicals.

Via Pew Research Religion Religiously unaffiliated 65% Black Protestant 63% Catholic 50% White mainline Protestant 43% White evangelicals 25%

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/atheism-secularism/a-majority-of-evangelicals-feel-the-u-s-has-no-responsibility-to-help-refugees-9HqJ6DlYJkOZXNeYDsbOEg/?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=SP&utm_campaign=SP&utm_term=SP&utm_content=SP&fbclid=IwAR3VC4_ohWwKx4KkZI_-BYlwHn19UoXo1Cb7m-XYRR1Dl2wH2z0qh90d2Ms

Rev. Brien

Ok, I am sick and tired of these blogs presented in such a way as to get all of us at each others throat. Tell me ULC, what is the purpose? Also, if this is suppose to be a non denominational group, why is the catholic bible used so much? Why is the name of Jesus used so much? How about the name of God? I refuse to be force fed fiction from a book translated so poorly, showing no proof what so ever of any of its claims, yet responsible for well over 50% of the worlds worst wars. Enough already. Catholics had their chance. They chose to become evil, ignorant, and fearful. You can take the damn book of fiction and stuff it where the sun don't shine. Funny, most of it was writen in the first person, but not one, not one of any of the so called authors wrote a single word of it. That is fact.

Kim

Excellent example....I lived on the border. There were 6 hour waits at the health clinic to see a doc because of all the Mexicans coming across the border. U couldn't get healthcare there.

Laurie Cleveland

There was a youtube.com video regarding Dr. Dobson going down as an independent viewer to actually see what was going on there. Chaos in a word. Adults, including the Gang 13 members that shouldn't be allowed to even sneeze o nthe border, are interpersed with people attempting to fee their homelands. Adults are stealing children, claiming that they are theirs just to come across into the United States and amidst all of this, people are coming in sick and diseased and dehydrated and starving, having walked hundreds of miles. The borders are so overwhelmed that they literally cannot handle it. They come in parties of 400 people or more. If even 1/10 of what this man has said is true, and I have no doubt that he isn't telling the truth on this one, then that is the reason why kids are people remanded to separate facilities. I agree that they need to have medical care; however, they should not be sent out for it, it should be provided at the stations. All of the gang members should be rounded up and sent back packing. Anybody who is a known felon, same thing. Anybody who thinks that they are going to get all of the rights of being a US citizen, same thing. We shouldn't be allowing people to vote, give them free housing, medical care and food when our own people are suffering. Does this seem cruel? Consider what Yeshua preached, that of unconditional love, but there are also plenty of Bible verses that teach that charity begins at home. In other words, our first priority is to the people who are hear legally. Those immigrants who made it into the country legally are just as angry as the citizens. Illegalls should not get social security as they never paid into the system. Likewise, they shouldn't get Medicare, for the same reason. It's cut and dried.
The USA has the Statue of Liberty in NY that says, "Give me your tired and poor...." Well, all of the immigrants used to come in through NYC or other major ports and they were kept there until it was determined that they were free of communicable diseases and that their papers were in order. People who were not nice people were summarily turned back. I don't understand, from this standpoint, why that it is such a big deal. From a position of Unconditional Love, it behoves us as people supposedly attuned into the IAM to want to help. The US seems to have taken on the responsibility of being the cops for the entire world. So why can't we just go in and make these countries safe so the citizens of those countries can go and live in peace. Why? Because they are overrun by gangs, drug dealers and all of the averice involved. There are too many officials high up that are making millions of dollars on the backs of people in this country because of illegal drugs and all the other assorted illegal activites. They even have their hands dirty with sex trafficky. In short, every sincle sin or bad things that humans do to each other, never mind all of the rest of the beings on this planet in the name of the almighty buck, keep getting overlooked because of the amount of corruption in this country. The conservatives want you to build a wall to keep out the riff-raff. It seems that they feel that this is the only way, but while people maybe streaming in faster than they can be processed down along TX, etc., they are coming in over the northern border through Canada because there has been an underground railroad in place for decates. Added to that, they come in on boats along with drugs,, etc. This country has become a cesspit.
The people on the other end of spectrum, the liberals want you to believe that ICE is deliverately breaking up families, isn't taking care of these people and want to give these illegals every right US citiziens enjoy. My question is why? I'll tell you why, Votes. they figure that sooner or later, these people will vote and they want to stay in office. California has set bad precedent after bad precedent. They continually laugh at the US Constitution (that's if even half of them know it). People don't go to church or whatever the way that they used to and it's more of a show than church. The airwaves are flooded with fake ministers, latest being Kimye Church. Those 2 are as much ministers of God as Satan is. It's a farce. So, how to fix it? What would Yeshua say about the whole thing. I am reminded of the story when he gets ticked off at the money lenders and all of the Sanhedrin caring more for money and making money than God. This is exactly the same problem.

You have people who are victims, but they are being victimized by their home countries and ineffective governments who refuse to crack down on all of the bad behavior, again probably because of graft, and then you have people on this side of the border doing the same thing. Obama created this mess and we, as a country, let him. If you didn't agree, you should have created a class action lawsuit against the government for doing exactly this. We had a Supreme Court Justice murdered, just like JFK and RFK for exactly the same reasons. Reagan was nearly killed, for the same reason. Trump waffles for the same reason.

As long as there are peole with a lot of money willing to pay handsomely for their candidates to win, people will suffer. It isn't right. It isn't fair and it certainly is against everything most religions promulgate. The only way that Yeshua's message can be heard is to shut down the borders and stop this influx. This country is in grave peril. There are too many gang members that need to be rounded up and shipped out. Farmers are looking for cheap labor because the government has made it next to impossible for regular farmers to survive, which is why farms are failing left, right and center. Kids don't want to continue working their butts off and for what? If you don't have enough acreage to be self-sufficient, then it doesn't work. If you have enough acreage, then you had best have a huge family to work it, but large families are far and few in between.
Around here, there are a lot of Amish people. While many of the farmers have 4 or more kids, the work is separated by the sexes, which is all well and good, but you see them in Sav-A-Lot, which caters to people not having a lot of money. Before everything became so expensive through price gouging and fixing, except for things like flour, sugar, cloth, etc, they didn't buy into the regular system. The whole purpose of them dressing the way they do, using horses, etc. and no electricity for the most part is so that they can remain apart and they follow Biblical teachings verbatim. In many ways, they live the way everybody did way back when.

I think we need to take a page out of their playbook. It's time that farmers take back there farms, the government go after these megaconglmerates that are raising havoc with everybody and do what they did to Ma Bell. Break them all up. A corporation is NOT a person and shouldn't be treated as one. That stupidity came about during Obama's reign of stupidity that so many people bought into.

This President seems to be all talk and no action. He wants to build a wall which will not keep the drugs out and as long as there are checkpoints along the southern border, there still will be problems. Shut it down until ICE and immigration can sort through everything and at least figure out what is what and whom is who. Take care of the people who are in holding properly, keep real familiies together and have this country's government speak with the "offending" countries governments to see if some sort of deal can be made to send the people back without them being in fear of their lives or sent to prison for wanting a better life.

The other thing is that the US Government needs to sue the State of California for all of it's nonsense as they have spit on the rest of us and the laws of the land. While states do have the right to make their own rules, it has to be under the context of US law. California has set a very poor precedent. Michigan and Minnesota have also set poor precedents allowing Sharia Muslim women to wear bourkas for their driver's licenses. A driver's license is a legal method of identification and as such, the person's face, hair, etc. has to be visible. Otherwise, it is illegal. So many poor precedents.

While it may seem that I am trampling on people's rights, I am not. Laws were made to protect everybody, not just the people who have money and who are in power. The laws were also made from a judeo-christian background, but the laws were also made in such a way that they are user friendly.

LN

Every single LEGAL immigrant I've spoken to agrees: Illegally-here criminals should be deported. That's what they are - criminals. They are here illegally. They have broken laws. Why should they be exempt? That's a fine way to show respect for the country you claim to want to live in - breaking that country's laws from the very first and then demanding to be given all manner of taxpayer-funded free things, demanding to not be identified on the census, demanding to illegally vote for the president of that country (because they want more free things at the expense of those legally here). There are legal channels for coming here. No one complains that Canada has legal channels - and they are quite strict.

Additionally, there is the very valid concern about the human trafficking at the border, the drugs, the system that is overstrained already. It is very clear that a particular political party that at first protested a wall, first claimed there was no crisis at the border, shrieks that there must be no citizenship question on our own census, squeals that there must be no voter ID, and now moans for show at a fence (that actually overlooked an empty parking lot), shows pictures (from Obama's administration) that are purportedly of conditions currently, has an agenda.

They avoid mentioning the very real child trafficking issue, the human trafficking in general, they deliberately refuse to vote in support of aid to the detention centers, and regularly whip their supporters into a propaganda-fueled frenzy - to what end? Maybe it's because the only way they can win in an election is by having illegal criminals, beholden to them for taxpayer-funded freebies, vote for them. They are doing this at the expense of those HUMAN BEINGS to are being lured by them to illegally cross the border for the promise of a free life where they will be given aid that even our own citizens do not get.

I am so very sick of all the corrupt political shenanigans going on right now and there is NO party that can claim clean hands. We really need to wipe the slate clean, fire the lot of them and start fresh with those passing an IQ test, an ethics test and a test of the contents of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. It should be a volunteer position with healthcare at the level that the poorest in our country receive. One should not be millions richer upon leaving the job than one came in with. There should be no political parties at all, those are anyway just different sides of the same dice.

Send all those whining for better conditions for illegals to those illegals' home countries and become aid workers there. Let them use their millions over there.

When our government makes laws that criminalizes giving aid to our own poor and homeless, but provides a free ride to those coming in illegally, there is a very real problem here.

I think that a wall with a sign saying "Closed for illegal entry, use legal channels, we're already at capacity and then some, and need to fix our infrastructure and be able to feed our own people before we take on others." is pretty reasonable.

Tom Thackrey

People should follow the legal processes to come to the USA. However, our processes are designed to keep non-whites out. That is wrong. Plus, the US has created a lot of the turmoil, especially in Central and South America, that causes people to want to flee. We should accept more asylum seekers and refugees from conflict.

The separation of families to discourage illegal immigration is immoral. The conditions (as reported) in the camps is barbaric. The denial of constitutional rights to the detainees is wrong. All people should be treated with compassion and respect. Once the government takes someone into its custody, the government is responsible for that person's health and well being. Releasing people to responsible sponsors would cost a lot less and be far more humane.

What are we afraid of? Gang members and drugs don't seem to have any trouble getting in. It's the families escaping the gangs, warlords and fighting that we should worry about.

Br'er George

"It is simple: Illegal immigrants are not following the law. If you want to come to the United States, there are legal channels for doing so"

My dear brother! If this "great" country was consistent in the application of its laws equitably, not only now but throughout its history, then you would have a reasonable point. The reality is america is selective when it wants to follow rules and when it doesn't.

The immigrant "crisis" is hype. Anyone who is honest about america isn't going to claim people coming here can't because americans care about the rules so much, that's just their smokescreen to hide their racism.

Jim Patterson

The Bible is full of examples of God ordering Cities be protected with walls, this would be not only to protect the inhabitants but to regulate those wanting to enter. Why should one think that the illegals coming into America are poor ,starved,displaced,persecuted,out of work People? They spend tens of thousands of dollars to be smuggled in. Some are caught and returned just to repeat the process. They are fat,well dressed, and besides Iphones have a multitude of expensive possessions. Welcome them with open arms,legally.

John

"How can I help you" is probably a better attitude than "How can I turn my back on you because I am afraid you are going to be a burden but do it in a way that makes me feel OK about not being compassionate." God could turn me into a smokin' pile of ashes in the blink of an eye, because it hasn't happened yet is by God's grace. I need to remember that and act accordingly and show love, compassion and kindness to others wherever and whenever possible.

Rev. RJ Levesque Jr

Kirkpatrick you are full of BS!!!!

Gar Reed

We get really excited about this because it's a political hot potato. But what are we really talking about. Even at the hysterical "100,000 per month!" level, we are talking about an impact of about one-third of one percent of the population of America. The highest estimate of 12 million illegal immigrants is between 3-4% of the American population.

Should they be just ushered in free to do what they can? No. But I'm not wasting my time with dramatic solutions to please the venom of certain portions of the voting population. Certainly not as an ordained minister. I would rather look for a solution that incorporates a sense of peace, compassion and kindness for the immigrants and the people potentially affected by them.

King

There is not an illegal immigration crisis. FOX news is fake news

Jim Mitchell

Is a minister this is very simple! And it doesn't matter what your faith is, what you call your God or Gods, or what the doctrine that was inserted, by the hand of man, into your religious text states.

All great religious teachers and Prophets have taught the same basic principles... 1. Love God 2. Love yourself 3. Love everyone else 4. Nothing else is required!

And if you are separating families and locking them into cages you are doing none of the above!

Kim

Separation of children from crooks, druggies and perverts is to protect them.

oldaabill

Law and order is why I choose to be a Christian. There are the Law's of God which are readily found in the Bible, and there are law's of governments that are more complicated, but, generally, are in the best interest of the citizens of the governed. We (USA) have a legal process for immigration and quotas for immigration, set by Congress. We have a quota system for agricultural worker's work permits.

"Romans 13:1-2 says: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow.""

Carl Moses

It is very disheartening to read the replies of so many under the umbrella of the ULC attacking each other, name calling, etc. We should all step back and ask ourselves "What entity is watching all of this and enjoying it immensely? What entity is fomented this discord and celebrates this disunity?" We need to look into our own hearts honestly and without bias to get this answer. As pastors (which we are supposed to be by nature of the title "clergy" and "minister") it is our mandate to sow seeds of love, unity, peace, understanding, honesty, and so on.
It really hurts to see this horrible discord.

Lionheart

As an FYI, when I went through the immigration process, along with my family, I wasn't asked what color my skin was. I was however asked, and had to show proof of:

1. Do I have a job to go to?
2. What are my academic qualifications?
3. Have I passed the the necessary health requirements?
4. Do I have any diseases?
5. Can I speak and read English?
6. What is my financial situation.
7. Can I support myself and family financially.
8. Do I have a criminal history, and if so, what is it?
9. Do I have a sponsor currently living in the US to fall back on should it be necessary.
10. What are my plans for living accommodation?
11. What value do I bring to this country if my applications is successful.

Those who break into our country bypass all of these requirements and can become a burden/strain on our resources.

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Thom

"Romans 3:31 - Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law."

The laws regarding immigration are in place and have been for a long time. For many years and administrations, the opportunity has come and gone for the laws to be updated to meet the needs of the current political climate. But, laws have not really been changed but requested to be bent, forgotten, broken and so on. We can't say, let us forget the law because it does not make me feel good. Is it our fault a country is corrupt? drug ridden? Should we fix the problem or let their government fix the problem and all the while we, the US, are supposed to cough up the money to take care of their people? I don't think so. Their countries should be responsible for their people and if someone wants to come to our country they should follow the laws and do it the right way.

If we want to allow people into this country without any rules, is it a christian act? Or should we say, to break the laws of man is wrong and thus enforcing them is not being a christian? I say, if the laws are made and in place, they should be followed and enforced by all mean necessary.

Reb TK

The sin of inhospitality... no more needs to be said... tzedakah, tikkun olam.... I am amazed at the perception of "otherness" in these times. The very people who protest newcomers are themselves descended from immigrants good American society once wanted to keep out. Whether they were already here or not.

These new waves of immigrants, indigenous peoples, speaking indigenous languages from all areas of the Americas: this is a surprise?

After decades of the U.S.A. meddling in Central American politics, eroding democratic governments in favor of dictatorships aligned with US Corporations seeking to seize control of these peoples' resources to the point where the is nothing left for them...is there any wonder why they come here? Especially after their US sponsored governments have failed and they have no where else to turn?

This is nothing new.

The Man "put his left foot in, and took his left foot out, he put his right foot in, and he shook it all about...."

America has always been the beacon....

And now they're coming back for what they were promised.

If you don't like it, check your stock portfolio for a better explanation!

Peace...Out...RTK

Brian H

"In America no one gets to skirt the law". You are kidding me, right? Presidents skirt them, tax evaders skirt them, lawyers skirt them, government officials Federal, State, Local skirt them. You do listen to the news I take it. Police skirt them. Your neighbor skirts them as do I, you, people you drive by... laws are broken without awareness, prosecution, or conviction every single second of the day. Some of the laws being skirted are felonies and others are misdemeanors. Did you know illegal immigration is a misdemeanor? Yet... of all the examples of laws being skirted apparently the most important one facing us is the presence of foreign folks (not white, non-english speaking) who crossed the border without inspection which is a misdemeanor. I'm struggling to see that this is the most important law enforcement issue we have in the US requiring billions of dollars, shifting of military personnel, thousands of people (who we pay)... this is the thing that, if corrected, will change our lives for the better in a significant & meaningful way to the majority of Americans? Nothing comes to mind that is more important than increasing the pursuit of these people and making it more difficult to legally enter at the same time? You, sir, are a coward to have written what you wrote.

Lionheart

For those of you that still feel we don’t have a crisis with illegal immigrants, here is an article about 19 MS-13 gang members, all illegal aliens, who on a killing spree killed someone with machetes and cut his heart out and threw his body parts into a canyon.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7257255/How-MS-13-members-lured-victims-chopping-bodies-throwing-remains-canyon.html

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Secretary3rd

Faye Kirkpatrick might look it from Jesus point of view that to break Jewish law is against the Will of God. That 100,000 people coming to Israel would be seen as an invasion of his land and they should be turn away. How do you feed, housed and put shoes on such a number. A couple of years ago a local group had a discussion about letting 80,000 Muslims Syrians come to the US without checks. Then you have an equal number from Africa who also want to come to the US. To denied either group would be called racist.Trump was called just that. America is the dumping grounds of other nations who want to get rid of people who can done harm to its citizens. My father once said that his grandfather escape to the US on a boat one step ahead of a rope. Very likely many who voice their opinions here ancestors also had that narrow escape.

bluzman61

Entering the USA illegally is a crime. If we are all about 'right vs wrong" why do many think that allowing people to cross our borders and violate our laws to illegally enter our country is okay. At the moment that they step over the the border they become criminals, regardless of their age or sex they are criminals. There is a legal process to come to America...I doubt that many asylum claims by immigrants from Mexico or South American countries are actually valid. "To establish eligibility for asylum or refugee status, you must prove you are either the victim of past persecution or you have a well-founded fear of future persecution. In the case of past persecution, you must prove that you were persecuted in your home country or last country of residence." We have more than our quota of criminals already we don't need any more.

The Rev. Brother Robert Barker

There still are genuine Christians!! EXCERPT: The largest U.S. Lutheran denomination announced this week that it would become a "sanctuary church." The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) said in a statement Wednesday that it is "committed to work toward just and humane policies affecting migrants in and outside the U.S." The ELCA is the first North American denomination to become a sanctuary church body, according to the statement. According to CNN, besides sheltering undocumented immigrants, the church will also respond to raids, fight deportation cases and give "radical hospitality" to immigrants. The ELCA will also work on resources for the denomination's more than 9,000 congregations "to help them explore and develop sanctuary ministries," the news network reported, citing church officials. “It just keeps getting worse and worse in terms of unaccompanied children, separated families, detention centers that are just horrific, and so what we wanted to say as a church body, as the Lutheran church, we wanted to now act with our feet and take action,” Evelyn Soto Straw, director of unit operations and programs for the ELCA’s Domestic Mission, told Religion News Service. ELCA's presiding bishop, the Rev. Elizabeth Eaton, on Wednesday participated in a march and prayer vigil at the Milwaukee Immigration and Customs Enforcement office.

https://thehill.com/latino/456851-largest-us-lutheran-denomination-becomes-first-sanctuary-church-body?fbclid=IwAR1nUfyqb7JpPivzsf-C_24238DNRLRd8hzz8y7n9k7Tyvfk1nkaqxAWhSs

Laurie Cleveland

I feel that aiding people who are in tough situations is admirable; however, charity begins at home and there are too many people who are falling through the cracks now and these bozos want to add to the problem rather than take care of business at home first. The truth of the matter is that many churches are closing because people aren't going to church anymore. Parents are not taking their kids to Sunday School and certainly not attending church themselves. Do they really think that they will get more members and money this way?

S. R.

For a website of ORDAINED MINISTERS, I am shocked and appalled by the amount of hate towards fellow Human Beings. Would any loving god turn its back on a Human just because it passed an invisible line drawn on paper by mere Man?

When even ORDAINED MINISTERS show hate, intollarance and loathing to fellow Humans, I question if most got online ordained just to do a one off marriage to a friend. Most of posters on nearly all blog posts are horrible Human Beings.

Shame.

SAC

In many way both Faye Kirkpatrick and Josh Nguyen are correct. There is no simple answer or one-size-fits-all. The one thing that is absolutely true is that there is no political solution that will work.

Secretary3rd

In China to load a cargo ship it takes 10 people. In the US that number is still there but it seems that dozens of people stream from that cargo ship many from the cargo containers that are on the deck. ICE did a count of just one cargo ship and 300 people file into the US all having proper IDs. Not to say those from the other side of the US-Mexican border do not have the same right to enter the US, but since they do not have the proper IDs they are just out of luck.

Angel

These articles are becoming more and more liberal propaganda. First, you can thank Obama for the cells and for the overflow of illegals coming into the country. Second, for all the people yelling and screaming about these conditions, I have yet to see 1 of them volunteering money, shelter or any type assistance in helping them. Nobody asked them to come, except Obama making promises in order to get a vote. It's sad the situation they have placed themselves it, but the bottomline, they placed themselves and risked their childrens lives for it. We can't take everyone because the master mind who create a value on the dollar bill doesn't allow us to do that. Money makes the world go around whether you like it or not, so perhaps the people you need to protest to are the governments of the countries that allow their countries to get so bad. Just like the good book say's, you can give a man a fish for a day or teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime. But until you give up your cell phones, bank accounts , cars and homes to help these people out, all it is talk and nothing to back it up with...