If you've participated in any sort of political debate in the past couple years, you've probably encountered the term "snowflake" at least once or twice. It's a jeering term typically assigned to a certain type of thin-skinned person who is perpetually offended and eager to let the world know about it.
The stereotype of these so-called "snowflakes" is somewhat well defined: young, liberal-leaning, and non-religious. So too is the general persona of those who gleefully employ the term as an insult: older, conservative-leaning, and Christian.
But what happens when these folks encounter things they don't like? Do they shrug their shoulders and say "live and let live," or do they throw tantrums of their own? If recent news stories are any indication, self-assured Christians might have more "snowflake" in them than they'd like to admit.
Bar Advertisement Sparks Outrage
An Australian pub's hopes for a sales bump over the Easter weekend turned sour after it posted a photo on social media showing Jesus Christ with a beer in one hand and a joint in the other. The image read: "Jesus got hammered for his sins, you can too. Open from 12 Good Friday and ALL long weekend."
Unfortunately for the bar, the only thing risen following their post was the level of outrage online. The owners were soon inundated with a wave of angry messages from offended Christians.
But it didn't stop there. The incident caught the attention of a local Orthodox church group, which called on its followers to launch a coordinated campaign against the establishment and leave bad reviews to hurts its business. "Brothers and sisters, PLEASE give this place a bad rating, they are Mocking our Lord Jesus Christ," the church wrote on its Facebook page.
Crusading for Jesus
Christ's online defenders came out fast and furious, responding within hours. "Any place that needs to mock someone's faith to sell their business is a disgrace," wrote one reviewer.
"I am extremely disgusted and appalled by the distasteful and disrespectful advertising for the Easter period," wrote another. "You've lost a customer (and probably a lot more) by that ignorant stunt."
The bar eventually published an Instagram apology, insisting the picture was never meant to offend anyone. "We took it down because people started to make threats of rape and murder," explained co-owner Jake Smyth.
Reading such vitriolic reactions to an image poking fun at Christianity, it's hard not to draw parallels between this behavior and that of devout Muslims who condemn depictions of the Prophet Mohammed. Are some Christians really so sensitive that they cannot tolerate a joke?It appears so. And, as it turns out, it takes far less than Jesus enjoying a beer to generate legitimate anger in Christian circles.
Much Ado About "Easter Worshippers"
Following the horrific terrorist attacks in Sri Lanka over the weekend, journalists and public figures all over the world offered messages of support to the victims and their families. Some of those killed were tourists and travelers staying in major hotels, while others were Christians who had been attending Easter services at the time the bombs went off. As the details became more clear, certain media reports, as well as a number of prominent politicians, referred to the victims as "Easter worshippers" in their posts:
But many prominent Christians took issue with this relatively innocuous wording, arguing that it intentionally downplayed the faith of those targeted in the attacks:
This seems like a strange detail to get hung up on, considering "Easter worshipper" is practically synonymous with "Christian." It's not like they were being referred to as "people of unknown religion." Plus, the victims were literally in the middle of worship on Easter.
It's worth pointing out that many of the Christians up in arms over minor verbiage are the same people who have openly mocked and rolled their eyes at to give just one example the argument that Muslims in America are subjected to "microaggressions" and other forms of mild discrimination. All too often, the response to such claims is "don't be such a snowflake."
But after this past week, it might be worth asking: who are the real snowflakes?
What do you think? Are Christians right to be offended by these slights against their religion, or is it time for them to grow the thick skin they accuse others of lacking?
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Alicia
Good gods! The phrase "Easter worshipers" just meant that they were worshiping on Easter! Why are people offended by this! Isn't the fact that they were Christian implied when Easter was mentioned? Would they find offense if this happened on ANY Sunday and were called "Sunday worshipers"?
Stop focusing on your butt-hurt feelings over stupid shit like this! Focus on the fact that hundreds of people are now dead because of extremists!THAT is what should be pissing you "good Christians" off!
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Val Jester
I disagree. Words have meaning. Notwithstanding the intent, Easter Worshippers as written does not mean Christians who are worshipping on Easter. As written it means people who worship Easter. Having said that, I am an evangelical Christian. I have been uncomfortable for some time with the egg shell personalities of some Christians. Jesus has been around a long time before me and has done an admirable job of defending himself. I have read the end of the book. He wins.
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Ken
People in popular media have to find outrages and grievances to get and keep attention, and attention = $$$. It's not complicated. While I saw, heard, and read a few people feigning indignation over this phrase, I met NONE. Real people were more concerned with the revolting carnage. We are called to turn the other cheek to minor infractions and insults..even repeatedly...but we are to take a stand in the face of evil. Unfortunately, we live in a time when the wisdom to discern which is which is sorely lacking. We are choking on gnats and swallowing the camels.
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Patrick Dieter
Nope, sorry. It could have either meaning, "as written." If one says "Independence day celebrators," do we assume that they are all excited about what day it is, or what that day represents? If anything, "Easter worshipers" is more likely to mean "people worshiping ON Easter" rather than "people worshiping Easter."
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Wanda
Totally agree. Words have meaning and slippery phrasing leads to confusion. I want to endeavor to always be working on better communication. Excusing sloppiness leads to more problems, not less.
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Mark Hannon
Remember when it was said, "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind". Such a sloppy sentence.
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John Owens
Some are overly sensitive, since Easter is the name of the Bablyonian goddess of fertility, for whom the actual celebration-- the rabbits and colored eggs, sunrise service, all are named for her. A Muslim might actually see it as pagan, since everything not Muslim is pagan to them, and a globalist like Hillary might also. Still, I don't think Obama or Hillary meant anything derogatory by it.
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Bills Spirit
You might want to check your facts, John. The Bablyonian goddess of fertility was Ishtar. According to religious scholars, the naming of the celebration as “Easter” seems to go back to the name of a pre-Christian goddess in England, Eostre, who was celebrated at the beginning of spring.
http://theconversation.com/why-easter-is-called-easter-and-other-little-known-facts-about-the-holiday-75025
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Don
John has a bad habit of posting "facts" that are either inaccurate or patently false. He even claims to have "concrete evidence" for intelligent design and Noah's Ark. He can't ever seem to actually provide this evidence though...
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Rev. CH
Exactly, grammatically speaking, Easter worshipers in this case is using the word Easter as an adjective. I think it's fair to say that Barrack Obama understands that Christians don't worship Easter. The fact that the attack happened on Easter is what is being emphasized here. While any attack on any day is bad, I think the point here is that the terrorists chose this day because of its importance to Christians. He didn't say worshipers of Easter.
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Mark Hannon
You are so right. I think that somebody just likes to attack President Obama. Maybe they need to go to church and have a cracker and a little cup of wine.
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directortice
Isn't it wonderful that the terrorists could find lots of people in church? Wouldn't it be horrible if they had gone to terrorize Christians.... and when they got to the worship service... it was empty?
We can find a silver lining, even in this horrible story.... if we want the light of Christ to shine through.
On top of that.... I am a little jealous of those who were taken on Easter Sunday.... they are getting to walk with Jesus.... and we're all stuck here!!!!
Dumb terrorist... don't you know you can't kill a Christian.... Christians have eternal life... you just allowed about 300 people to get to Heaven.... and you thought it was all about you.... stupid terrorist..... now 500 more who were injured.... but now remain alive here on earth have a greater witness... thanks for that.... stupid terrorist....
Isn't it wonderful... there are now so many more witnesses for Christ.....
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Alicia
Yeah. It's so fucking fantastic that hundreds are now dead. That hundreds will never know what life COULD have brought them. That kids were killed before they even had a real chance at life. Yep. It's really fucking fantastic.
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D. K. Stevens
Are you mental? It's "great" that so many were killed? Because, "Christians have eternal life"? Tell that to their families and friends. I'm sure it'll comfort them, especially when they stone you. ?
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Colleen M McAllister
Actually, it does comfort us. And where will you go when you "die"?
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D. K. Stevens
My apologies that I didn't see this sooner. I'm a bit confused as to why you put, "die" in quotations. I'm hoping that I'll be reincarnated again. But, as a Jewish born Pagan, I'm sure it will be somewhere nice and realistic -- unlike the Christian version of Hell being an awful place of fire and torture, or the event more unrealistic "Paradise" of Heaven. ? Considering most of the Christians I've met online feel they have the right time judge others, as well as tell people they will, "go to hell" if they don't find a Jewish carpenter, I'm happy neither religion I follow believes in hell as that's where those people are going. ? Enjoy your life here and now and don't worry so much about an afterlife. I was legally dead for a few minutes and it was just a happy, comforting feeling of no problems, no damage from my past; it was beautiful. So I have no fear and neither should you, regardless of your religion. ?
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directortice
I am so sorry.... I meant this to be an honest yet sarcastic opinion.....
Some worshipers went home to be with the Lord.....
Others have the responsibility of witnessing now.....
Jesus said we would be persecuted .... and we would be blessed....
This is a horrible action..... terrorism is always horrible....
I am so sorry.... I meant this to be an honest yet sarcastic opinion.... I forgot that y'all don't know me.... sorry
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Mark Hannon
Wouldn't this same thing apply to aborted fetuses?
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Eric k
I am a Christian and I found the advertisement very witty. Not everyone can take a joke and most I am sure took offense to the ad.
Of course we Christians were not the target market for the ad so why get all up in arms. I got a good laugh from it, but my wife was shocked.
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james
Well put... From our readings and understandings, Jesus had a gift of communications AND had a sense of humor. We not see this philosopher as a stick in the mud when it comes to taking very little to serious. Lighten up ppl. Clean up your own short comings B4 crucifying others.
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Carrie
This definitely proves the difference between a religious person and a spiritual person. The first has a belief in someone else's experiences, the second would rather have their own.
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Rev. Brien
That is the best definition I have seen so far. Thank you.
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Carl Elfstrom
And some religionists are spiritual in other ways. Some even work a spiritual program, like the twelve steps, for example, which was formulated and written by other people, but working it, and the way you work it, is a truly personal, spiritual experience, when done the right way. Some of us religious people even go on silent retreats, and vision quests, which are truly spiritual experiences. It's not all cut and dry. There can be many points of view to make a whole picture complete.
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Lionheart
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Val Jester
No man comes to the Father except by me.
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Lionheart
Oh, sorry Val, I didn't know we had to go through you to meet my dad. Say Hi to him if you ever see him. He passed away in 2004.
Are you on guard at the pearly gates Val? Just wondering!
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Carl Elfstrom
Why would anyone want to go to your father, Val? Is there something special about him ? Can we meet your mother, too.
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~pc~
As a christian, I believe we should follow the teachings of Christ, if you have no sin, throw the first stone, otherwise shut up and be humble, forgive any transgressor and pray for them. Share love and be at peace with all you can. Do not hold grudges, again forgive! Only speak what is good and profitable for all. Remember what Love is and do/live it, not what it isn't.
It is written that we must judge a christian by their works, do they grow fruit or do they just preach with their mouths and are prideful as the Pharisees before them, corrupt inside? Pray for all to find peace and love in their lives, but it is best to live it and be an example, Christian or not...
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Carl Elfstrom
We aren't all Christians PC, so we aren't going to follow your advice.
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~pc~
You do not have to follow my suggestion, it was meant mainly for Christians who have become so self-righteous they drive people away from religion and seeking any spiritual peace, but so sad you do not want peace and love in your life spiritual or physical. Unless, you do have it and are being a bit snarky with me for trying to make peace, because I'm a Christian. That's okay, I understand, been there done that.
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Carl Elfstrom
I'll go for snarky. I do have a dry, sometes sarcastic sense of hot, but am very introspective, and didn't mean to offend you, but just meant I don't wish peace and happiness on murderers, and am not going to. They don't pay off their karmic debt by being happy. But peace to you brother, whatever your religious affiliation.
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Carl Elfstrom
Everything we write is not always entered as we write it. Of course, in English class I learned to always proofread, and if I always did that I would never have to make corrections later. In my above comment, in the second sentence, the word that came out looking like sometes should have been sometimes, and the word hot should have been humor. Thankyou for allowing me to make these corrections.
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Lionheart
Pass me a stone PC, as I don’t believe in sins I recon I qualify. I know your god approved of caving people heads in until their brains oozed out, but I’m not into that. It’s kinda weird don’t you think for a god that makes moons, stars, galaxies and other celestial things, but hey, everyone to their perverted kink I guess.
As I think my morals are better than your gods I’ll use my stone for my rockery.
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~pc~
I am glad you have peace within yourself of your morals and not believing in sin and do not want to throw stones at people, neither do I and neither did Jesus. There are, you must admit, some real sick, evil acting, people out in the world who do not have morals, even some who say they believe in a god, or god told them to do it...is or was it a god or was it their own ideals, morals, from their own heart and minds?
Mankind has been pretty brutal to themselves, not all has been a gods fault, but many do blame a god for many things, lol, especially for creating woman...
Do have a wonderful peaceful and joyful life Lionheart!
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Don
"neither did Jesus"
Um... Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them-bring them here and kill them in front of me.
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Rod Gesner
Ironic isn't it how "Religions" can Tell Graffic Horror Stories of Rape Incest, and Murder; Or Tellthe "Faithfull" How To Stone Behead or otherwise Kill the Infidels and Pagans' Or "Parables" That Are So Laughable God Must be a Joker... Ye when someone makes a Joke out of Their Symbols and Martyrs; it's Call To WAR! Not just Xtians or Muslims Either; Hindu's with their Elaborate Pantheism have Some Really Funny god's: Some 10 yrs go a West coast Brewery (Cali) Produced an "Indica" Ale With Ganesh imagery ( holding a Frothy Mug in one hand Pipe in the other;) on the Label; ( Ganesh Being An Elephants head on a 4 handed man that rides a throne on a Mouses Back.... The Story; Too Long for Here of How he got that way is even more Bizarre.. AnyWay The Outrage had Natives of India Threatening International lawsuits So The Co Pulled the line of The Net..ironically they solved it by removing the 2 offending arms thus Mutilating the Poor Fellow;) Of Course that Spunnoff another round of OutRage and Public Drinking from the Church of Bigfoot and Others.. This is Not the only Such Incident involving Ganesh and Beer labels. ;) Jesus has had Beer adds Before; and has Obviously Sold ALOT of Wine.. and Even MJ Gave him Prop's By Calling Wine ritually served to Teens in Coke cans "Jesus Juice"..
Oh and By the Way...Easter Like Xmas is a Combination of Pagan Holidays and Xtian Myths: The Dates DO NOT match the Xtian Events; But were convenient to the Meshing of Xtian Ritual with Celtic and Other pagan Rites...
EASTER EGGS/Fertility Symbols Anyone?
If God didn't have a Great Sense of Humour? He wouldn't have Given us FREE WILL; and Thousands of Different Religious Leaders;)
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james
Well stated, We should have you come speak at our facility....
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Norma Battes
" We should have you come speak at our facility…. "
Look us up when you're paroled thanks.
/s/ (Assuming your comment was /s/.)
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Minister Post
Today's Christians are programed to believe that once saved, always saved. Christians need to know the history of religion all the way back to Adam and Eve. Our culture is riddled with satanic pagan holidays. When I found out my favorite holiday was worshiping Satan and the tree is samus. But you can celebrate holidays with your family in different ways like giving 1 present a day to your children up to the 24. And the correct bible tells us all the days of worship and celebration. Just have the bible that has not been revised by evil men.. May God bless all of you my Christian brothers and sisters.
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Lionheart
I actually agree with you that Christians are programmed, in fact, I would go further, to say that followers of all religions are programmed. I believe that they are so deeply programmed that many would die rather than renounce their religion. I know, because I’ve been there and reprogramming isn’t easy, but it is possible.
The major part of the programming, which is in the form of a virus, is to convince them of what can happen if they don’t comply. It’s a form of emotional blackmail disguised and candy wrapped to convince them that if they do comply there will be great rewards.
For those of you who understand computer programming the virus has been cleverly coded into the brain, and once it’s deeply engrained it’s extremely difficult to break down the virus. The trick of the coding is to insert the virus from a very early age. Children are extremely vulnerable, and the virus works extremely well the younger they are.
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Carl Elfstrom
Satan is a Christian myth, and Paganism was around long before Judaism imagined a messiah. Get your facts straight, before spouting off the top of your head. This isn't a Christian ministers blog, and many of us ULC ministers are not your Christian brothers and sisters, Post. Besides being interfaith ministers, some of us are good Pagans. Some, like me, are good Pagans of the Wiccan variety. And you're lucky we haven't turned you into a toad for you evil, twisted insult regarding Pagans.
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D. K. Stevens
Thank you, Carl Elfstrom. I was going to say the same. Blessed Be. ?
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Lea Weisenbach
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Alicia
Can I ask where you went to school that taught you to use apostrophes for plurals? Sorry, but this is first grade English/grammar: Apostrophes are used to show possession.
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Carl Elfstrom
Maybe he recently came to this country for the first time, and hasn't learned much about the English language yet.
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Michael Grace
Yes he does have a Great Sense of Humor.
"And God promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world...
Then He made the earth round...and laughed and laughed and laughed...."
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Dan Atatakai
Personally, I do not believe in using the proverbial wide-brush to paint everyone in a given group. I WILL say, however, that there are SOME Christians who have gotten so spoiled to think that they have a "leg up" on anyone from other religions that they ignore facts and therefore demand they are on the top of the heap, when in reality, they are only ignorant little twits who have not learned to LEARN what they are condemning while demanding their position is better. So many times, what they condemn is not only inaccurate, but horribly insulting.
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james
I can tell all readers now... It can be guaranteed, most (if not all) "Christians" fall under the same rules of universal LAW (Lord). One shall not deft thee temple. Lets rip into their actions (public or private) and see how pure they may be. Kinda like Santa have a pack of smokes in his shirt sleeve and some cannabis behind his ear. Trump supports disliking POTUS parodies. Others disliking the "Holiday" Tree in public places. Besides, that NOT look like Jesus to us. Not even a look-a-like. Jesus was a middle eastern Jew that had darker skin. So, ppl that were getting Peeeee'ed off are assUming what Jesus looks like when no one we know, knows what Jesus truly looked like.
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Lionheart
"...when no one we know, knows what Jesus truly looked like."
...or if he ever really existed.
Just saying!
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Carl Elfstrom
Every picture I've ever seen of Jesus looked like a different person, some darker than others. I've even seen a picture of him with an afro. Will the real Jesus please stand up, before he gets confused with Slim Shady.
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D. K. Stevens
Carl, I'm loving you more and more! Actually laughed out loud at that. Realistically speaking, assuming Jesus did exist, he would've looked like any other Middle Eastern -- not pale with blond hair and blue eyes, or he would've been killed at birth! Tan skin, dark hair, brown eyes. The goyem will just have to deal with it. He was a Sephardic Jew. Blessed Be.
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Lea Weisenbach
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Minister Post
All Christians should celebrate the Passover, not the pagan ritual of child sacrifice to Nimrod and his family lineage of coloring eggs in the blood of the children for their fertility god. Study your history of religion and your eye's will be opened. Worshiping on Sunday is a sin against God and worshiping on Sunday is for the Sun god. Don't end up in the lake of fire because the programming you have been taught. Wake up!!! Stay vigilant for you will not know the day or hour that I will come. Jesus the Messiah.
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Lionheart
Yes, Wake up... and don't end up being programmed. There is no lake of fire and brimstone. It's typical religious blackmail propaganda to try and stop you from being who you truly are.
All days of the week have been named ofter gods Mr Post, so which pagan god day would you like people to worship your god and sin. Saturday (Saturn)?
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~pc~
Yes, even the Bible has an answer to this..."Each man makes his own peace with God. Some will honor one day above another or some Holy day over another and one may not honor any at all, it will be between him and his God. No one should judge what that relationship is. Some have more Faith than others." paraphrased of course...lol Be at Peace, Life is hard enough without causing each other unnecessary stress.
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D. K. Stevens
Well said, Mr. (Or Ms.) Lionheart! It's always nice to see someone who knows what they're talking about! Blessed Be. ?
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Carl Elfstrom
Fire Lake is a really cool song by Bob Segar. Just saying.
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Messenger of the way
Overall pertain to the subject, As set-apart person in the way the way we should walk the way we should act the way we should carry yourself, do things pertaining to the dietary laws, the ways of life, the ways of levitical priesthood, the ways of Moshe, our heavenly father described the way we are to maintain our balance of character. Is aa tru set apart individual a true worshipper a true Israelite. This has nothing to do with the ways of the nation's the ways of man the ways of tradition. It's up to each individual being called to change on their own if you want to hang around certain people you will if you don't you won't. Each their own endure to the end in righteousness.
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Carl Elfstrom
That sounds like you're having an ecclesiastical buzz, to me. Toke it up !
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Norma Battes
Messenger, might help to try talking to more real people along that way. /s/
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Janice A Ellery
I found the bar ad too much. There are so many other ways they could have made a witty ad without degrading a faith. I would have also felt the same way if they mocked jews or muslims. I did not find the term Easter worshippers offensive. service would have been maybe saying worshippers at Easter service would have been more politically correct.
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Norma Battes
Janice A Ellery May 1, 2019 at 6:15 am " I did not find the term Easter worshippers offensive. "
Ms. Janice, neither did I. Was it because you knew the it didn't refer to worshiping the occasion like so many implied? Or if it did, "so what" you say? Now what does that say about you, your innate disposition? A cavalier, c'est la vie outlook at life maybe? If so, could we all benefit from such a life-choice of tolerance? Maybe?
I will disagree with two of your statements. I had no issue with the ad, however unsure how much was your "too much". It may have been a bit juvenile but certainly not a hateful, anti-Christian statement as it's been vilified. As for the "politically correct" path of expression, wouldn't that be pandering to those lesser your degree of self-control and worldly respect of others? (A quality virtue certainly.) Thus we actually become enablers for them to continue along their (overly)judgmental path. This, I believe are the moments great spiritual leaders need to speak and guild their followers, their flock. Quell the righteousness, the false piety. Calm the fears that all are attackers, or are being attacked. Yes?
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Dennis Shipman
I'm Conservative and Christian with other Spiritual beliefs, go ahead stereotype me and tell me of your vanity.
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Nunya Bidness
The reason "Easter Worshippers" is an issue is that the entire "Christ Church Massacre" commentary was "MUSLIMS attacked" and yet when EIGHT HUNDRED Christians are dead or wounded, MANY of them children, the mainstream media won't even SAY Christian, yet alone call it a massacre. Not one, but the ENTIRE media and political sphere avoided saying Christian. That's a coordinated effort against the Christian religion and it's adherents. Are you people too stupid to see THAT? I don't care if you're a Christian or not, you still need to see hypocrisy and PLANNED, COORDINATED offense when it DOES occur. Calling people, who just watched their brethren die by the hundreds, "snowflakes" for having FEELINGS is just being an ASSHOLE. Is THAT what you want your world to be like, a bunch of assholes? Good cause that's what you're turning it into, especially, when you come HERE, the church of fucking TOLERANCE, and start being a douche.
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John Deaux
Thank you
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Tabitha
“We took it down because people started to make threats of rape and murder,” explained co-owner Jake Smyth.
Yes, sir. Sounds like the loving cultists are spreading love again
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Neil Cagle
Just the sheer numbers of different cultures and different backgrounds makes it easy to understand why people will never agree on everything. I see some people have responded with cutting remarks. As a Christian, I try to remember that "a soft voice turns away wrath". It isn't up to me to make you believe as I do. I will try to treat others with kindness, stand firm on the things that I believe, and trust in the Holy Spirit to help us all see the right way to Heaven. God save us all.
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Donald
Christianity is the most adhere to religion in United States, with 75% of polled Americans identified themselves as Christian in 2015. The United States of America, voting population is 49% white voters. IE Christian. Mathematically that means, they turned 35% of Christians against Christians. Merry Christmas, oh my God. No longer exist. Replacement words such as frickin. Through the media it's not Christian. It is not anti anything to follow the Christian path.
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Loney
Some are offended by some things; others are not. Some are delighted by some things; others are not. Our differences can be under the agree to disagree statement. Hate is never a good thing. Whether it is another’s belief or choice of food.
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Bradley Bernard
As a minister ordained by ULC I’m a bit saddened by many of your blog posts. Your obvious disdain for those you call conservative Christians is one thing. I guess using church to push politics is acceptable to you, I find it distasteful. Also, the “author” of the blog should have the courage to put his or her name on it, rather than just say it’s posted by the church. A church’s outreach to its community, and the world should be uplifting, inspiring, not just another partisan click bait cattle prod meant to destroy what little faith remains in us.
Think about what your organization claims to espouse before posting junk like this. You can always dig up an incendiary quote from some “snowflake” then beat it up. These straw-man fake debates are nothing but red flags waved in our faces by the lying media and I expect better of any Church.
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Norma Battes
Bradley Bernard May 1, 2019 at 8:56 am " These straw-man fake debates are nothing... " Absolutely. Most, if not all the articles I've read through the years are inflammatory at worst, a circular argument at best. There is little worthy discussion, much less a worthy outcome. One would think a website named Universal Life Church with a stated purpose "to promote freedom of religion and to 'do that which is right' ", and that "we are all children of the same universe" would actually bring people of different beliefs together. Sadly that notion is sparse and brief here. Grace upon you sir.
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Don
"I expect better of any Church."
Can you name one Church that doesn't lie to its parishioners or use straw-man fallacies to defend itself? I can't think of one.
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James Jimbo Jones
I don't call people names and if anyone calls me a name--What I care? I don't knock any generation as I have a very good memory and remember all 'they' said about us and to them--They were right. As far as somebody/anybody saying/demonstrating what I consider a sacrilege--Well that's for them to own, not I. I don't have to pay for anyone else sins--Just mine ( and that could be a high price ). But I know being oversensitive to what others do is simply a waste of my time and duty.
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Robert Messmer
So the bar ad was 'just a joke'? Peter Fonda saying Barron Trump should be locked in a cage with a pedophile was 'just a joke' - according to him. Run the exact same ad using Muhammad and let see what the results are. Perhaps the reason for the upset about "Easter worshippers" following the lead of now (Thank God) Ex-President Obama is a) because he announced that we were no longer a Christian nation and b) that is denying Christ.
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warjna
@Robert Messmer: a nation that considers threats of rape and murder to be the proper response to a poster, however inflammatory, is no longer following the Christian values of love and turning the other cheek. It is therefore no longer a Christian nation. And saying it is no longer a Christian nation is not denying God; it is saying that true Christians are no longer a majority in that nation. True Christians are not bible thumpers, quoters of Old Testament scripture cherry-picked to support their narrow-minded points of view, or people reacting with anger or spewing hate-filled rhetoric. True Christians follow the example and teachings of Jesus Christ as shown in the New Testament: teachings of love, and acceptance, and toleration. You might want to read THAT part of the bible some time.
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Norma Battes
Robert Messmer May 1, 2019 at 9:48 am " ...Ex-President Obama is a) because he announced that we were no longer a Christian nation and b) that is denying Christ. "
The full text of Mr. Obama's statement as transcribed from video: "We are no longer a Christian nation, or at least not just," he says, "We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of non-believers."
In case you are afflicted with hate-blindness, note the "at least not just" part. He doesn't deny Christ, - he acknowledges other beliefs, and even the non-believers.
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Linda Ray
We never were a "Christian nation" and you deliberately citing only part of what President Obama said is proof that you are intellectually dishonest.
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china mayhew
i'm a pagan as my my faith path and my political views are quite liberal and i have to say, i found the australian bar add highly disrespectful there was no real humor it's just rude, crude and makes light of the most important season on the christian calender. i also find a bit unbelievable that the bar owners didn't see that coming.
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Patrick Dieter
As our American President has demonstrated, bad press is better than no press at all. Yeah, maybe they got in a bit of hot water for it, but I'll bet beer sales are UP.
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Patrick Dieter
I've pretty much come to believe that Conservatism and true Christianity are mutually exclusive. I'd like some Fundamentalist to point to the part in the New Testament where it says that Jesus never smoked dope or drank beer, or said there was something wrong with it. We know he drank wine, and back in those days, herbs were just about the only medicine available. Like opium, I have no doubt that cannabis was a major part of any doctor's arsenal of remedies.
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warjna
Does no one study grammar any more? "Easter worshippers" here means "people who were attending worship services on Easter," NOT "people who worship (idolatize) Easter." Go back to school and learn your language, for Pete's sake. And while you're at it, learn to react with the Christian value of compassion, instead of with vituperation!
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john
Easter Worshipers is funny, odd and silly, but progressives - another odd and silly term for such backward thinking people - don't want their anti-christian followers catching them using the word christians. It might imply they believed in God, and everyone who watched the democratic convention for the 2012 election on tv saw and heard the voice vote of democrats rejecting that word in their platform. At least they were honest. The mayor of Los Angeles, presiding over the vote and under orders from Oblabla, pretended they did not and kept the word in the platform to help the prez get re-elected. All of this is forgivable and none of it fazes God but it is interesting to note the funny things left-wingers do to be evasive around the word God.
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Norma Battes
To misconstrue "Easter worshipers" as the worshiping ?? Easter instead of ?????? Easter is a bit of a stretch. But for the simple that judges another's worth by the color of their skin, their befuddlement is understandable.
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oldaabill
Within the context of a religion, the restrictions are basically on the members who have volunteered to obey the rules of the religion. Most people who join a religion (verses those who are born into a religion) make an emotional decision without really studying the religion or what it means. Being born into a religion has the opposite effect. The person raised with the religion has a first hand view of the pluses and minuses of the religion. The Amish allow their newly minted young adults to go out into the world, to decide for themselves, if they really want to be Amish. A baby, sprinkled or dunked, cannot make a life time commitment because they do not have the reasoning ability and the necessary information. Religion, for religion's sake, is destructive to the member, because he/she has taken someone else's word that the religion is what it claims to be. Thus, sensitivity.
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Jennifer Hanks
Yes the need to grow a thicker skin. Isn't it said that they are supposed to turn the other cheek and not respond to others accusations? Rev. Jennifer Hanks
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JACQUELINE MARIA LONGSTAFF
I found the ad funny. I'd say a good sense of humour is a great gift. Many today have heard the expression "God save us from religion". I was really happy to hear that a large percentage of younger people today understand the difference between religion and spirituality. Religions can produce fanatic believers whereas true spirituality will take you on an inner journey where you can realise your true nature. When this happens you will know without a shadow of doubt that we are all one. If enough people reached this level of development this realisation would bring peace here on planet Earth.
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Reb TK
"Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make ludicrous ...."
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Maurice Slaunwhite
First of all God is not about religion, secondly it is the division between God and religion and thirdly this is what caused the problems between God and his church when people put religion first instead of putting the Lord God first. In the book of James in the last two verses of the first Chapter it talks about good religion and bad religion that does not work. Take in mind that God Always comes first. God bless you all and stay right with God.
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Lionheart
Did you have a particular god in mind Maurice? This earth has worshiped so many over the millennia of time.
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John Deaux
I think it's easy to figure out. ...
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Lionheart
I’m guessing either Thor, if you have Scandinavian roots, or Dionysus if you have any connection with Greece (or wine & ale ?). There are so many to choose from.
Am I close?
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John Deaux
If that's the best you have then carry on.
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Lionheart
Dionysus? The god of wine and fertility? I'm thinking if I had to choose a deity I'd go with that one. Jesus tried a trick with water and wine, but I think Dionysus has more going for him.
Am I any closer?
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Don
"the best you have" Really? Thor is better than any god worshipped today! Jesus promised world peace, how's that working out? Thor promised to kill all the Frost Giants. Have you seen any Frost Giants lately? Not to mention, Jesus was nailed to a cross, and Thor wields a large hammer.
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Lionheart
Don, you make some extremely good points. I haven't seen any frost giants, but could that be because Thor created global warming? I'm beginning to like him. He seems a nice kind of deity. I'm struggling now to decide which is best, Thor, or Dionysus. They both have a lot going for them!
People on this blog will think these comments of ours are totally ridiculous, but don't forget, they also believe in a talking ass and talking snake, just to mention two of their ridiculous beliefs. Yes, I know it's hard to believe, but they really do!
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Bill Robinson
When President Obama referred to "Easter worshipers", it as a figure of speech that abbreviated what he meant, which is 'people who worship on Easter'. Of course, someone who is 'bound and determined' to find fault with the statements of President Obama and Hillary Clinton cannot be expected to read the sentence as most educated people do. I think this is all 'much ado about nothing'! To the Conservatives I am considered a snowflake and I am proud of that title.
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Norma Battes
Agreed, on or during Easter lays better. Would it play that Mr. Obama is a black man? Or that Ms. Hillary is, well, a Clinton? /s/
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John Deaux
Snowflake warning ......... I think this article is absurd.
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Rev. Brien
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S. R.
Easter isn't even an original Christian holiday. Neither is Christmas. Both are pagan holidays, renamed by Christians. Just like the days of the week today are bastardized spellings of Norse gods they were originally named for: Monandaeg for Monday (Anglo Saxon name for the moon goddess),
Tyrs for Tuesday (Tyrs was a Norse God),
Wednesday (Wodens day, for Odin),
Thursday was Torsdag, for the Norse God Thor)
Pagans had deep mythical ties in everything before the Christian myth took it over and made pagan rituals (yule log, decorating trees, gift exchange, egg coloring, etc) renamed.. Saternalia, Oester, etc.
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Angel
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The Lord is my saviour
This is not the place for me, scrolling through the comments, there is a lot of hate here
It's not just Christians that have become too sensitive, it's also those of other faiths, but it does seem that Christians, and Islamists, seem to have a short fuse when their religion is criticized. Please excuse the pun.
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Excuse the pun? Nope.... No reason to "forgive". No matter what the topic, Religion, politics, sexual preferences, employment. No matter what one claims, says or believe. Personal phaneron & ego is a BIG issue when mixed egotistically. How many Hitlers can there be on this planet? Every one "thinks" they are right for all. Epistemology & Egocentric predicament needs to be studies by these believers.
They should have put a bottle of wine in Jesus' hand. Everyone knows that beer hadn't been invented yet. Maybe those Christian flakes had been snorting too much snow, which could easily have triggered such hostilities.
And please, whatever you do, don't pardon the pun. I've got plenty of room in my backyard to erect numerous crucifixes to crucify disgruntled, thin skinned Christians. And the thinner the skin the easier it is to drive the nails.
A Travesty of Injustice to Humanity...Why are Humans always more Cruel than Animals in their Atrocities?.."Father Forgive Them For What They Have Done"Jesus Christ
"The earliest chemically confirmed barley beer to date was discovered at Godin Tepe in the central Zagros Mountains of Iran, where fragments of a jug, from between 5,400 and 5,000 years ago was found to be coated with beerstone, a by-product of the brewing process." I know Wikipedia isn't a great source, but there you go. :) However, as Jesus was supposed to have turned"water into wine", I do agree with your wine bottle. Maybe a bottle of water in the other? ?
I think we can assume the wine ? from water was not a blended wine, so I’m wondering not only what varietal it was, but I’d also like to know what the ABV was.
I’d have been partial to a Merlot, but Jesus might have preferred a Cabernet. Whatever it was, it was quite a trick, worthy of any David Copperfield event.
Noah would have liked it if he’d been around. He was quite partial to drink or two. He was quite the party animal. I bet his daughters covered his drunken nakedness up on more than one occasion, if they didn’t have their way with him first like Lots daughters did with Lot.
Plenty of strange things going on in the Old Testament, but as long as it kept God happy that’s all that matters.
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I'd love to read the Lionheart Bible! When you retire, I hope you work on that! Thank you for the laughs :) Yes, I've always wondered if Noah made his own alcohol from the various animals he had aboard the Ark. I can't imagine how boring it must've been, even with all of the work caring for the animals. And Jesus! I've never read it he made red or white wine, never mind a good Merlot. I've seen pictures with red wine, but I would think it easier to turn a clear liquid into a white wine. (Then again, I don't have that talent, so who knows?) Blessed Be, Your fan, DeeKat ?
DeeKat, I have thought of writing a bible of sorts, but really good titles that would sell like Grimms Fairy Tales, Alice In Wonderland, The Hobbit, Lord Of The Rings, The Life Of Brian, and Harry Potter all seem to have been taken. ?
Blessed Be!
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Just so you know, beer has been around for millenia. It was a very common beverage in Ancient Egypt well before the birth of Christ.
Beg pardon, but the Egyptians of Moses' time - and far earlier -made beer. It just wasn't American-style beer. Do your research first, please.
I understand that beer far preceded wine... and certainly thousands of years before Jesus ... like now, probably safer than drinking the water... it was the cigarette that made me chuckle... that and the blond and blue-eyed theme... tk
A lot of people who lack faith are sensitive, too, wouldn't you agree, sir? And those who hang out with the faithful are likely to eventually gain faith, regardless of how insensitive to it they may think they are. It's like they say in A.A., "Lead a horse to water, it will drink."
It's important to understand the term "Snowflake" was coined by Conservative propagandists. While the instigators claim it is reserved for people they perceive to be as "whiners," it has spread like wildfire and is leveled at all manner of individuals with views that are centrist or left-of-centrist. Anyone expressing concerns about the environment, violence against women, the importance of science, or social justice issues is labeled "Snowflake" these days. (Libtard is another favorite term used by individuals on the right.) It has reached a point where civil conversations about important issues cannot be had.
The real danger in this approach is that it stymies meaningful dialogue. It creates a tribal mentality wherein people cling to the propaganda and become unwilling to listen to other views or compromise. Extreme Liberals also have their own form of propaganda and bullying behavior within their own ranks that attempts to steer views to the far left. The difference I see is that they seem to be harder on people within their own groups than they are on Conservatives. There is no equivalent to the Libtard or Snowflake terminology in Liberal spheres. Instead, they will swoop down on internal dissent and bash those people within their groups. As an example, if in a Liberal circle, someone attempts to discuss the view that White privilege is a flawed concept that does not apply to all Whites, that person will be criticized heavily to the point he or she either gives in, shuts up, or leaves the fold.
We cannot discuss this practice without full awareness that proliferation of such divisive rhetoric and manipulation has been funded and deliberately spread by both Conservative and Liberal political operatives who have a vested financial interest in derailing movements they perceive to be in competition with their interests--usually financial interests.
With that said, are there people who are overly sensitive? Sure. On both sides, there are individuals who cling to their beliefs with such emotionality that they can't be reasoned with. It's also true that we see an increase in individuals who Troll for the sake of stirring controversy, and when the two types meet in social media, it's the equivalent of tossing fire on gasoline.