Southern Baptists Ask Trump to Target LGBTQ+ Protections, Abortion Access

Rev Ned

🤬 Christofascists! 🤮

Sandra D Morgan

I have taken the time to read a lot of the comments, and felt I would chime in. I am a true believer and have and still do study to show myself approved. I am not God and have no heaven or hell in which to put anyone. In the Scriptures about the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, God told Lot and his family to come out. God did that, He said if 10 were found good he would not destroy. Man have no rights to make judgment over the life of people only God should judge. If you choose to live life as LGBT that's between you and God, not you and me. If you don't like it, that's okay, teach your children. God says, train up a child in the way he should go! Even when it comes to abortion, teach our children and explain to them that their choice to do that is between them and God, not them and me. This world is so corrupt 😪 no one knows the truth because many have taken God out of the picture , and added their on face there believing they know more or better.

Lisbeth Kieran Bushey

The SBC needs to lose their tax exempt status. They are not acting like a religious entity, they’re acting like a political organization and political organizations have financial responsibilities, unlike religious entities. Christ taught that we should love our neighbors as we love ourselves. Discrimination against our neighbors is wrong. We are better than this organization of hate masquerading as a church group. We should not allow them to be representing to the world how people of faith act in America. I am a Pagan who left the evangelical community because I read the Bible independently and not just the parts they chose. I’m also Queer and no longer welcome in the church I grew up in and literally helped build (my name is etched into the drywall under the fire alarm panels) because of it. People who I used to be close to, whose kids I looked after, who were like family to me, stopped speaking to me or allowing me to be alone with their kids. I still firmly believe that Jesus was a real person who said and did all these things. The SBC and similar organizations/churches think we’re Satanic, PDF files, confused, possessed, don’t actually exist, and/or are dangerous. They want to legislate us back into the closet based on libel. We’re just regular people who want to be treated like everyone else and have the same rights. We just want to have equal marriage rights, equal rights to change names and gender markers, equal rights to have biological children or adopt children, and everything else that non-LGBTQ people take for granted. Tax the SBC. Get religion out of politics - it’s against our Constitution.

James H. Tijerina-Spalten

The election of Donald Trump shows the level of racism in the MAGA world. Donald Trump is America's Hitler. Along with his loyalist they will suffocate acceptance of anything that doesn't fit their mold. Anyone that is suffering now will suffer more over the next 4 years, maybe more if he refuses to leave. Should be die, Vance is a bigger threat because he will be a puppet who's strings will be pulled by the extreme loyalists. The separation of church and state is in peril. Not every student is Christian. Forcing Christian values is not in any states constitution. Doing so violates student/parental rights. God has a crazy sense of humor saving the "Pumpkin felon" from his fate.

Rudolph M Garza

The fantasies from some of the comments could inspire a Hollywood B movie! From “ordained ministers” of the ULC of all people! We can do better! I hope. Meanwhile….

SBC like any other lobby can throw their hat in the ring. I am confident the President has already decided what he’s going to do on this and many other issues.

Remember: The “rights” of any group end where the rights of another group begin and must stand the test of being brought before the Supreme Court should anyone complain.

Courts can strike down executive orders on the grounds that the President lacked authority to issue them or the order is found to be unconstitutional.

Secondly, EO’s must stand alongside already existing laws to have any authority, otherwise the President must submit it to Congress for legislation, again laws that can be challenged by being submitted to the Supreme Court. Children in civics class know this as “separation of power”.

SBC can dream like any other lobbyist and get a form letter from the White House expressing gratitude. Their letter will just be thrown on stack of many others who also have dreams of their own.

Now to have fun reading some more comments here! It’s nice and cold. Perfect for a cup of hot cocoa!

Tah! Tah!

Patrick Brian Harrison

What happened to separation of church and state?

Keep your beliefs to yourself and leave us alone to do what we want with our bodies for our wellbeing.

Gareth Lewis James Townend

Love is love when you are blessed with falling in love with someone, weather they be male or female gay or straight the gift of love is unconditional and unstoppable. You may not agree with some couples and you may not accept some couples but surely we can show enough respect to our fellow community members that we can find some sort of middle ground. Those that are blessed with the true gift of finding love will understand

Shelby

Christian Nationalism is Fascism.

Jo Anne Lynn Coopland

Adam Khan, I do not say this to criticize you personally just the ideals you hold. Please hear my heart when I say marriage is about more than sex. Humans date typically to find and marry the love of their lives. Sometimes that involves sexual activity with the other. The desire to find someone who will love you above all others who will support you and walk with you through life’s trials… and joys is what most humans desire. That’s what it’s about. That’s what it’s about for a man who loves a woman’s a n d for a man who loves a man. It’s about providing health care. It’s about for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health. Not just about sex sir. And a man being in love with another man and expressing that love in an intimate way is not as you say “ruining children’s lives or harming adults. Nor is it an abnormal form of intimacy. It may not be what you prefer. And that’s ok.

Leigh Anne Petersen

In 2022 the SBC released a list of 700 sex offenders who were/had been SBC ministers. Maybe instead of casting stones at others, they need to clean up their own act first.

Michael Mason

Every American has equal rights under the law!

Stephen James Oder

The USA is a secular state, in which any and all religious beliefs that function within law are tolerated. No religion, anyone's, is to be taught in a public institution.

John Audrey Blythe

Completely agreed with you. In Texas they are only allowing the Bible to be taught to children that parents opted in K-5 grades 100% agreed with that too.

Minister Tim

As a trans man I find myself feeling like I have a target on my back that grew exponentially after the election. The SBC is pushing to have us ‘eliminated’, one way or another. I was in mourning immediately after the election but that mourning turned to anger. I’ve been in EMS since 1990 and a nurse for 18 years. But, none of that matters to these folks, they just want me erased somehow. I’m automatically labeled a groomer and a pedo but if you look at the arrests and convictions, very few are LGBT+ people. And as someone else mentioned, the SBC has a number of them that were never prosecuted. We just want to live our lives and be happy. Is that too much to ask?

Heather M. Afflerbach

My oh my! What ever happened to the non mixture of church and state? I'm not understanding why this is even an issue. Why are religious people trying to implement their views on others personal lives and bodies is beyond my understanding. ??? This world is in deep trouble. We are not going forwards, going backwards... This is sad . Stop the madness folks.

Tom Herman

The religious right seems to be a front for the repeal of the US Constitution. They are not patriots but subversive's who forgot there is separation of church and state. I would go as far to say they are a cancer to America who would advance their high and mighty supremacist views at the expense of everyone who does not look like or think as they do. We all want the same things, good jobs, affordable health care, a secure dignified retirement and a better life for ourselves and our children. Preaching tolerance for all people and views is how we get there.

Cameron Lewis

My response is simple quoting composer Eric Schwartz---"keep your Jesus off my penis and your bible off my balls" church and state are to be kept separate, NO CHURCH has the right to dictate or request anything from the government PERIOD that infringes on individual belief or behavior as related to society as a whole. Our founding father found and knew that christian faith was corrupt as a whole and wanted faith and government seperate for the reasons we are seeing now. I may be a Reverand, but I despise most of the organized religions behaviors...I always remind the idiot wrong wing the bible has directions for chemical abortion in it...and no where does it say anything about LGBTQ issues. If anything it says barracks sleeping is bad...

David Arthur Lewis

Trump is a demon from hell sent to destroy democracy.

Rev. William Creacy

The United States of America was founded as a Christian Nation, I believe that school should only be teaching core curriculum not gender studys or anything like that leave politics and things like that out of it. I also believe that abortion should be few and not used as a means of contraceptive, there are many types of contraceptives that you can use and if you don't want to get pregnant use protection, people need to learn there are consequences for your actions and you have to live with them.

Patricia Law

so tired of these Christians and their beliefs running the country please remember to pray in secret and leave the world to it's own devices not your crazy religious interpretations

William Christian Theile III

Bring back separation of church and state and get rid of PAC’s and SPAC’s. If you preach pro Trump you are not preaching Jesus and his love for ALL! With that said have you ever noticed that “white baptist” church’s are hugh where “black baptist churches” are much smaller or even a house. Take a look at the Vatican and how rich that is when the poor aren’t helped. If you love Jesus then you treat all equally but in America there is a lot of hypocrisy!

Mark Bell

Here we go again! People going crazy over something they don’t understand. Our new president for one, cannot control, or stop abortion, this matter has already been decided by the Supreme Court, and even the president cannot change it, it is up to the State to decide. As to this Executive Order issue, if one bothers to read it, the new president could reverse it, then rewrite it to put protection for women’s sports in it, or just let it go to the Supreme Court and they will overturn it there. How do I know this? Well my PhD in Constitutional Law, and 18 years as a Federal attorney might have some bearing on the that. This is a spiritual battle we are fighting here, if one studies Scripture, you would know that, of course then you would also know what right and wrong are as well.

Matthew W Meister

To consider President Trump as a protector of religious liberty is the most ethnocentric and egregious thought I can come up with. He may protect certain religions, but he does so at the detriment of others. Religious liberty in this country is the freedom to control yourself, not to control others. If you would change the word liberty to zealotry, then we could agree. He is a great protector of religious zealotry. He doesn't walk that walk, but he does talk that talk, all for the purpose of getting votes.

John E Smith

Baptists…..say no more

Joe Moore Gordon

Separation of church and state is there for a reason.

Darrell Hebert

The SBC and the entire country are pushing back in so many areas. All of the leftist executive orders will be undone. New ones will be issued which will be the opposite.

• pro life
• pro family
• restore the military
• close the border, remove illegal criminals
• restore pipelines and drilling
• end global wars

All Americans will enjoy cheap gas and reduced prices artificially inflated due to Bidenomics

Martha Phillips Youngblood

Explain to me again why we don't tax churches? If they're sticking their nose in politics (where it doesn't belong), they need to be stripped of non-profit status and taxed out the wazoo.

Joseph Grieco

This slippery slope started when Ronald Reagan, whose personal life was definitely questionable, courted the Evangelicals to get their votes instead of supporting someone who actually lived his faith. We are now to the point that there is almost Zero difference between the ELRC and the RNC Steering Committee. So much for Madison's and Jefferson's admissions about separation of church and state.

Susan Sklodowsky

I am saddened by all of this. My belief is not my neighbors. I have the right to my opinion and so do they. I don’t care about your gender identity or if you have a same sec partner. That is not my business. I do feel we have no rights to take others rights away because we believe differently. I care about a persons heart and soul. I care about love and Faith concerning fear! We need to stand strong for all human rights. All humans be treated the same. Love them where they are at! Not are place to judge.

David M Hines

Because what’s more Christian than screaming “Give us Barrabas!” when it comes right down to it. Amirite?

Keith David Harry

Please replace live in my post with love. I hate iPhones !

Keith David Harry

I grew up in a neighborhood that included quite a few gay people. In the 60s, you didn’t have just one set of parents, you had a whole neighborhood of them. Did any of us question why Uncle John was living with Uncle Joe? Did any of us question why Aunt Vi was living with Aunt Joan? Nah, we had no idea. The entire group of the kids in our neighborhood really respected and lived ALL of the parents. And amazingly, we were never “diddled” ( as a poster poignantly referred to it ) , or in any way acted inappropriately to any of us. As we matured and grew older and we learned what the term “gay” meant, we kind of shrugged our shoulders and said So what. I just had the great opportunity to not only walk two beautiful ladies that I grew up with not only down the aisle, but presided over their Union. Who cares what you do behind closed doors in the privacy of your home. Who cares if the gay community comes out and supports itself, much as the so called Christian community does every minute of every day. These folks ( my friends ) deserve respect commensurate with the human beings that they are. Let live reign. And for those of you who continuously express your outright or shaded hatred of these folks, your missing out on some amazing people. Peace out.

Adam Kahn

Why do we, as a society, so wildly promote all sorts of pervertions, and do NOT promote normal healthy family relations and traditional values? Just to remind you, historically speaking, if human beings were LGBTQP+ "community" back in a day then humans would extinct much faster than mammoths who died out. All this "LGBTQP+++" shi.... thing is only about different abnormal forms of sex, and it is insanely egotistic, because LGBTQP+++++ does NOT help any society neither procreate nor survive. Rather the opposite is true. LGBTQP+++++++ propaganda and agenda ruin children's lives, and harms adults too. It is poison for the country. Therefore, let's stop supporting pervertions and start thinking about tomorrow, shall we??

Teresa Freeman

I'm appalled at each pagan Sunday religion that ever spawned from the Romans, we've adopted the lunar calendar instead of the solar, God's Sabbath is Saturday , and the Master Plan has been forgotten, this isn't our world , it's a six thousand year probationary period , then the goats and sheep will be devided , we are supposed to proclaim Jesus as our savior , And the third earth age , when we will have our world back and Jesus will be King of Kings Forever

Charlene Davis

This whole pronoun thing it's ridiculous it also does not help our young people because they're being confused by what's in social media what's on the news in that right there is not healthy for anyone it's like they decided under the current Administration to open up the doors from the insane asylum and it's wrong people are people no matter where they come from but they also should not be pushing harmful thoughts on the young people like Jeffrey Marsh saying don't talk to your parents come be with me how do you know he's not a predator because that's just a thought and I have no friends that are gay and lesbian and they say this whole pronoun thing is nonsense as well

Charlene Davis

President Trump never said that he's taking anyone's rights away in fact he hosted a gay wedding at Mar-A-Lago because the couple that wanted to get married in a fancy place in Florida was rejected by other country clubs so on the Christian side anybody saying these things about him is going against the Ten Commandments Thou shalt not bear false witness

Gerard Anthony Ritchie

As a citizen of another country I view with alarm and fascination the culture wars currently raging in the USA. It seems to me the once great example of progressive social development has stalled and has started to reverse. Grented, the USA has a history of appaling episodes of discrimination, intolerance and some would argue the genicide of their indigenous population, but in the late 20th century you made great strides in addressing many areas where injustices were recognised and righted. From the outside world, it now looks like the USA is willingly giving up it's mantle of defender of democracy, the concept of holding political leaders to account, the protection of the vulnerable and the fabled American dream where anybody can achieve success regardless of their gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc. We have all become used to watching films and TV shows and reading books about dystopian stories of the collapse of civilised societies and the return to barbarism and war lords, or a theocratic/aristocratc ruling class similar to medieval Europe. It now seems that somehow, and against all expectations, the USA is heading in the direction of some wierd social construct dreamed up by the active imagination of Margaret Attwood.

John W

The utter hypocrisy of it all. Far too many stone casters shrieking in indignation from inside glass houses. It seems these same people would just as soon disown a LGBTQ+ family member or one that chose to have an abortion rather than accept them with the love and compassion that Jesus Christ preached.

Robert Gagnon

These nut jobs are already making demands. Fortunately I believe now that their use is over Donny won't care much about them. I believe he will give them a little something and make a big deal out of it. Abortion did not win out in every state which is a real shame, women should not have to fight for control over their own bodies. Sarah Palin said on stage that when she found out her baby was going to have issues, she had thought about abortion then decided against it. But she had the choice to make that decision, as every woman should. Sexual preference is every humans right what ever someone else might believe. Now the gender identity should have never been included, since the trans nation removed it as a mental illness, it became a fetish. That's not to say trans have no rights, just not special privileges such as sports and women's safe spaces or having a meltdown over using their real name or pronouns. That is the individuals issue not everyone else's.

David Arthur Lewis

Who Would Jesus Hate?

Colleen McAllister

It is unfortunate that we once again live in a world where everyone who does not match the standard should be persecuted. This type of thing will continue until Trump and his ilk are out of power.

Right or wrong these people will do what they want.

William E Muldrew

I'm not a trump person, but I don't believe in abortion. I do say God gave us choices as we make those choices as we live with them, and God will be our judge. As for our sexual identity I feel the same, we will have to answer for our actions. God made Adam and Eve Adam and Bob you think about it. I'm not here to judgement on anyone. I just pray for us all to acknowledge what we do and were it will lead us in life. There is an end coming to this madness we live in where will you be. Amen

LilithV

The same Southern Baptists/convention that had a list of like 300 members who had diddled kids…. That weren’t prosecuted, if I remember correctly? So they are condemning all of this because they are running out of victims. Got it. Lines up with everything else I see going on with 45 and his people.

Jake Reynolds

On top of these thoughts, there is a dolt politician in the UK who is presenting a blasphemy law, but only for abrahamic speaking, wow let’s hand the free world over to authoritarian pandering despot thinking.

Jake Reynolds

Ethics and religious liberty commission? That’s quite a stretch, as they appear to have no ethics and they don’t appear to care about anyone’s liberty except profess their beliefs, and as for the “evil” of the abortion pill, it is nowhere projecting evil like this head in the sand bunch broadcasting their hate.

Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox

As the mom of a transgender child I would first like to thank Reverend Paula Copp, Shelby, Lawrence A. Benson, and Reverend Marina for their support of the LGBTQIA2S+ community.

tfg, the christian nationalists, and everyone who voted for tfg want my child’s marriage to be invalidated, their gender affirming medical care outlawed, and for them to be murdered. It is that simple.

John Ash McCormick

Welcome to the 13th century, we all know how this horror story progresses if not how it ends.

We are in the possibly final race between religious mania, fascism, global warming releasing new/old and exciting diseases from the melting permafrost, mass starvation and wars as people flee droughts, and the end of vaccinations in enough of the population to really get the next pandemic to spread like wildfire.

We will have kids with polio and measles just because of anti-science politicians.

It is a race to the bottom.

I am in the unenviable position of being in two of the most threatened groups, a journalist, and a former scientist.

Not being a member of, but a supporter of the LGBTQ community, I have sanitized all my web sites and social media posts.

I suggest many of you should consider doing the same.

If you think I am being alarmist just look over some of the wonderfully vicious posts we see in many of these discussions.

What seemed like a funny or innocent comment on Facebook can make you a target.

Press credentials can protect me in a normal war zone but soon they will just make me a target in the US and if any of you think it can't happen here, I direct you to Google "capital gazette".

The LGBTQ community are only the most obvious target they are far from the only endangered people these days.

I can close my Facebook account but I can't remove all the citations referencing me in the scientific literature.

The SBs may think they have the upper hand but people will turn on them too.

How long will it be until the husband of some poor dead woman who had a miscarriage decides he has nothing left and seek revenge.

This will probably be deleted by moderators but enough of you will read it to think about protecting yourself and your families.

Good luck to all of us.

Reverend Marika

The IRS needs to revoke their 501(c)(3) status and make them pay income tax.

Shelby

The Southern Baptist Church and the Catholic Church has been convicted of sexually abusing tens of thousands of children. They are the groomers. They have no moral authority.

Shelby

Christian Nationalism is Fascism 💯

Reverend Paula Copp

As a member of the LGBTQIA community, I find this “religious” organization to be antithetical to everything I believe. What I do in my home affects nobody but me and my family. No entity, religious or otherwise, will dictate to me what I can legally do in my bedroom.

Michael Mason

Every American should have equal rights under the law!

Eugene T Rice

This is, once again, an example of what is driving young people away from religion. Bidens order was not an endorsement of any particular lifestyle. It was an effort to protect a minority from discrimination. Is the Southern Baptist position that discrimination is good in certain circumstances? If that is not their position, why in the name of God, would it be wise to strip away protections?

Clay Serenbetz

It's fascinating that the Southern Baptist's morals proscribe gay marriage and accept women dying in parking lots for want of reproductive care, but they're also accepting of sexual assault, lying, intimidation, bullying, extortion, breaking the law over 40 times, etc. Let's hope that their morals are not adopted in the Constitution. I'm curious how they rationalize their views in their minds, as such views have nothing to do with Jesus' teachings.

Clay Serenbetz

This country is not a Southern Baptist theocracy, but is a secular government that respects all religions. It's unlikely that the Donald understands this Constitutional principle, however. So, good luck with keeping any former fundamental freedoms, such as freedom of religion, gay marriage or abortion.