The swearing in of Joe Biden as the United States’ 46th president on January 20th drew millions of television viewers to witness the occasion. But it was an especially monumental day for Catholics, as they watched Joe Biden became the just the second Catholic president in the nation's history.
With Nancy Pelosi retaining her position as Speaker of the House and John Roberts remaining Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Catholics officially – for the first time in history – sit at the head of all three branches of government.
It's a situation that would have seemed quite unlikely just a few decades ago, when Catholicism was considered a major political weakness and a source of frequent attack from critics.
Now in the driver’s seat at all three branches of government, Catholics have the metaphorical keys to the castle.
A Sign of Progress?
The Catholic Church was not always the relatively mainstream religion it is today. In the late 1950s, presidential candidate John F. Kennedy routinely had to assure Americans he wouldn’t have dual loyalties to the United States and the Vatican (a common fear at the time).
“I am not the Catholic candidate for president,” Kennedy said, addressing the nation live on television. “I am the Democratic Party's candidate for president, who happens also to be a Catholic. I do not speak for my church on public matters, and the church does not speak for me.”
His opponent, Richard Nixon, recruited Protestant allies to help attack Kennedy on his religion, most notably evangelist Billy Graham, the most famous evangelical in the nation at the time. Graham petitioned those on his mailing list – some two million American families – to implore those in their churches and Sunday schools to vote in the upcoming election.
Shaun Casey, director of the Berkley Center for Religion, Peace and World Affairs at Georgetown University, says that “the argument was, when push came to shove, a president who was Roman Catholic would ultimately be more loyal to the Vatican because the fate of his eternal soul was at stake. If Kennedy was elected president, he’d criminalize birth control, he’d cut off foreign aid that helped countries invest in birth control, and he’d funnel tax money to Catholic parochial schools.”
In the end, none of those fears came to fruition.
What Makes a "Real" Catholic?
Fast forward to today, and the situation has changed dramatically. In fact, the most vocal religious criticism being leveled at newly-elected president Joe Biden is that he's not Catholic enough.
The biggest flashpoint: the issue of abortion. Biden has historically sided with pro-choice activists in allowing women the right to make medical decisions for themselves. This fundamental clash with Catholic teachings has led to discord in the Church.
A particularly public rebuke from Catholic leadership occurred in late 2019. While attending mass (as he does most Sunday mornings) Biden was denied holy communion by Father Robert E. Morey on the grounds of his pro-abortion stance. "Any public figure who advocates for abortion places himself or herself outside of Church teaching," Morey claimed at the time.
Even on inauguration day, President Biden was not safe.
Los Angeles Archbishop José Gomez issued a sharp statement on January 20th congratulating Biden but also saying:
“I must point out that our new President has pledged to pursue certain policies that would advance moral evils and threaten human life and dignity, most seriously in the areas of abortion, contraception, marriage, and gender. Of deep concern is the liberty of the Church and the freedom of believers to live according to their consciences.”
The Vatican and the Masses
The very public controversy has shown a spotlight on serious ongoing divisions within the Catholic Church as a whole.
Archbishop Gomez's comments were starkly contrasted with a letter sent by Pope Francis to President Biden, in which the pontiff gave wholehearted congratulations on the electoral victory and told Biden he would pray that “under your leadership, may the American people continue to draw strength from the lofty political, ethical and religious values that have inspired the nation since its founding.”
Pope Francis has himself often been accused of leaning too progressive by more conservative and traditionally-minded factions of the Church. With those voices becoming louder now that Biden has taken office, many are expecting further infighting among Catholics moving forward.
What do you make of this controversy?
What makes someone a "real" believer of their faith – and does disagreeing with fundamental teachings disqualify one from participating?
175 comments
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Gail Dobson
The Catholics can live by their conscience and so can I. Nobody's beliefs can be forced on anyone else. Why do religious people not understand this?
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John Norris Campbell
Because "religious" ppl are governed by man and NOT God.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Catholics Have a long history of forcing their religions and beliefs on people. Ever heard of the Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition or Spanish Inquisition? You either believed or Catholics burned you alive. And we have Martin Luther to thank for exposing just how corrupt the Catholic Church was and still is. The Catholic Church was so corrupt an entire new religion, the Protestants was created.
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Ren
Lest you forget, the protestants led by John Calvin confiscated the property from Catholics and burned them at the stake. In England, Catholics had their property taken and were forbidden from owning property... anti-Catholic bigotry is still a problem in the UK with anti-Catholic laws still on the books until this century actually. Catholics were executed in large numbers in the U.K. The theocracy of the Reformed (Puritans and Presbyterian) brought about the execution of Alice Lake in about 1651 (40 years before the Salem witch trials) for being a witch. What did this woman do that was "witchcraft"? She had a dream of her deceased child who died infancy. THAT is what you support when say the US is a Christian nation.
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Ren
The protestants under Martin Luther and John Calvin also burned Catholics at the stake. Catholics across Europe including what is now the UK were executed for their beliefs and even forbidden from owning property... which caused catastrophic genocide in Ireland in the 1840s. It was your grand theocracy of the Reformed church (Puritans, Presbyterians, and Congregationalists) that brought about the execution of Alice Lake in about 1651 (40 years before the Salem witch trials) for being a witch. Why was she accused of being a witch? Because she saw her deceased child in a dream. She is an ancestor of mine. You can take your anti-Christian piety and stick it where the sun don't shine.
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rebadams7
I was taught that actions speak louder than words. Let their actions reveal or deny their faith. Only God can see their hearts R
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John Norris Campbell
Yes scripture actually says just that! "You will know them by their fruits"
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
....and some of us have bigger bananas than others.
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T Kosse`
Well they do say you really should get plenty of fruits in your daily diet for a well-balanced meal plan Carl Bernard Elfstrom
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Stephanie A Willey
According to his eminence the Archbishop José Gomez, as I read his statement, Pelosi, Biden, and even John Roberts, in their very clear and continued political support of a woman's most basic and fundamental right to the autonomy of her own body and the continuing struggle for the equal rights of all LGBTQA+ Americans, these three Catholics are really not good Catholics after all.
It's OK with me if your religious beliefs prohibit YOU from seeking and having a abortion, or prohibit you from loving and being with the person YOU choose, or (worse yet) prohibit you from BEING the person, the gender you know yourself to be. Follow your beliefs. Stick to them. It's your American Constitutional RIGHT to do that. But the one thing that is NOT your right is to force your religious beliefs onto me. To do so is in violation of every persons most fundamental human right, a violation that unfortunately occurs every day in every nation to someone.-
Susan Marie LaLonde
There is SUPPOSED to be separation of Church and State according to The U.S. Constitution. The Church has NO BUSINESS in butting in on The Right To Choose of a Woman. Rules needed to be changed in the Catholic Church. Just like a Woman should be allowed to be a Priest(ess) and a Priest to get married and have a Family. The Rules were created centuries ago and like life, need to be updated. How does a Priest Counsel a Couple that want to get married when He has had no experiences of His own. This is why an Archaic Church is losing so many Members to Non-Denomination Churches.
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Daniel Gray
Nope no such thing is in the constitution. the first mention of this was in a letter 15 years AFTER the final ratification, meaning that it would take a constitutional amendment to put in what you claim is there. And according to the Library of Congress no such amendment has ever been put forth.
try again
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Susan Marie LaLonde
They are words penned by Thomas Jefferson in a letter which explains the First Amendment of the Constitution or at least Jefferson’s view of it. The actual words in the First Amendment of the Constitution read as follows: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. . . ."
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Daniel Gray
Makes no difference what Jefferson "penned" the ONLY way for this to be in the Constitution is a constitutional amendment as the first mention of this myth was 15 years AFTER the final ratification of the Constitution making it supreme law of the land. And if you read the 1st Amendment it clearly states that Congress CANNOT make a law that violates a religion. This was proved in the Baker decision, the cupcake maker decision, the little sisters of the poor decision and again in the Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye, Inc. v. City of Hialeah and the most recent one was when the SCOTUS slapped the bejezus out of Coumo when he tried to tell Jewish temples and Christian churches exactly how they could worship.
You really need to educate yourself before posting such left wing bologna that is so very easily proved wrong
Now if you seemingly have proof that this was brought up as a constitutional amendment and passed, then please provide it as nobody has been able to do that in over 220 years this country has existed.
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Ren
It is you who needs an education. You are poorly educated and insist on spreading a false witness. You are an anti-Christ
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Ren
Mr. Gray, you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. The Constitution does in fact memorialize "separation between Church and State" in the First Amendment. By denying the words of the First Amendment, you have again borne False Witness - breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Daniel Gray
I am stating historical fact Ren and its no skin off my nose if you refuse to accept reality. The Constitution was ratified in 1787 as the supreme law of the land (FACT) The very first mention of this myth of Separation of church and state was mentioned in a letter by Jefferson in 1802 (FACT) the Constitution clearly states that to make an adjustment or add anything to it that was not already there MUST take a constitutional amendment, something that has never happened (FACT)
Seems like the only one preaching false statements is clearly you and Susan. maybe you to should take a refresher course in US History before posting o something that neither of you know anything about
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Ren
Mr. Gray, you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. The Constitution does in fact memorialize "separation between Church and State" in the First Amendment. By denying the words of the First Amendment, you have again borne False Witness - breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Ren
Mr. Gray, you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. The Constitution does in fact memorialize "separation between Church and State" in the First Amendment. By denying the words of the First Amendment, you have again borne False Witness - breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Edwin Merle Waltz
What difference does it make there all nothing but corrupt officials
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Ren
Posting this lie multiple times will not make it true. You really should present your proof before making such accusations, otherwise all you're doing is spreading a false witness - breaking the Ninth Commandment.
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Daniel Gray
and by you lying and being proved a lie, you are doing exactly what you claim he is doing
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Ren
The only one in this exchange who has posted anything provably false is you. It was explained in detail about the falsity of your posts and yet you continue to break the ninth commandment by lying about me.
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Daniel Gray
everything I have posted here Ren has been backed up by law and Constitution and church teachings and science and medicine.
Want to tell us how you seemingly think you can refute these?
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Tom
Nothing you have posted has been backed up by anything anywhere. In fact much of what you claim backs up your statements actually doesn't back up any claim you've previously made but keep believing "alternative facts".
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Daniel Gray
Oh really then why have you not refuted it? you cant thats why and I agree with Susan, you cant fix stupid and your picture is in the description
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Ren
Your "facts" have been refuted many many times. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Mr. Gray, you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Daniel Gray
Still waiting for you to refute science and medicine and the Constitution instead of name calling
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Ren
Already done. You are an anti-Christ spreading lies which have been thoroughly refuted.
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Daniel Gray
no sorry Ren you have done no such thing
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Ren
Your "facts" have been refuted many many times. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Mr. Gray, you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Susan Marie LaLonde
Sometimes, you just can't fix Stupid.....Amen.
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Robert J Giammarco
Just because they are Catholic does not mean they abide by, or live by, the Catholic ways. Catholics are suppose to be against ABORTION, yet, Pelosi for it?
All 3 HYPOCRITES!
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Ren
That doesn't make them hypocrites ... not in the least. Do you agree 100% with everything the Pope has decreed? Do you believe women should be silent during Mass? That's what the Bible says. The Roman Church's position on abortion conflicts with the teachings of the Old Testament. There is an old Hebrew word for abortion and it was never used in the Old Testament to condemn it. In fact, the ancient Jews held that a person didn't receive their soul until they were born (when the newborn first receives the "Breath of Life" - because Gn 2:7 says that man became a living soul AFTER God gave him the Breathe of Life. In fact, the Book of Numbers gives an example where God prescribes the procedure for administering homeopathic abortion - Num 5:11-31.
Any who would demand that abortion be outlawed is going beyond what is written (1Cor 4:6) because such prohibition does not allow the pregnant woman to defend her body (such as receiving cancer treatment while pregnant). Killing in self-defense is not considered murder.
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Daniel Gray
Nobody forced them to join the Catholic church, but when you do join you are bound to follow the churchs teachings. You cant pick and choose whcih ones you will and wont follow and you cant claim to be a member of the church and refuse to follow what the teachings are. So why bother to become a member of a religion if you are going to refuse to follow the teachings?
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Ren
Because no one agrees 100% with all of any denominational dogma.
And sometimes it takes a groundswell of the laity to correct the ecclesiastical rules.
What you describe is not a church but a cult.
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Daniel Gray
You dont want to follow the rules of the religion, then dont join. Its not rocket science.
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Ren
You are an idiot who promotes cults, not Christ. Things that are wrong don't get corrected unless people speak up. Mr. Gray, you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
They're usually sprinkled as babies, and considered Catholics for the rest of their lives.
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Daniel Gray
so what. nothing is keeping them there and if they are claiming they are part of a religion then they have to abide by its tenants or teachings. And two out of the three clearly are not
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T Kosse`
Yeah you sure are quick to condemn Joe Biden, and Nancy Pelosi, but not one word about condemning Trump who has committed far more sins then either of the two. Of course that doesn't surprise me about you. You being the trump loving supporter and loyalists that you are.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry but yet another smoke and mirrors spin from Kossee, tell us Kossee since Trump isnt catholic and this is what the thread is about....exactly how do you make the leap? Or is it that you were proved wrong and your ego just wont tell you to shut up while you are ahead?
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T Kosse`
If you can't get my point then you're beyond help. because anyone who is intelligent would understand what I wrote.
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Daniel Gray
The only ones who seemingly cant get the point that they are wrong is you Kossee. It can be fixed but you will need to have special care from an expert to get your problem corrected.
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T Kosse`
So what that trump isn't catholic he isn't a true Christian either that he claim himself to be whenever it serve a purpose. God doesn't Care whether you're Catholic or Protestant God will judge him for the sins he has done. And so far his sins far outshine their sins.
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Daniel Gray
He never claimed to be catholic Kossee, nice spin but this blew up in your face yet again
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Ren
But Trump has claimed to be Christian - even if not Catholic. So actually this blew up in YOUR fact yet again. Mr. Gray, you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Daniel Gray
Ren do pay attention and try and stay on track. This thread is about CATHOLICS, nothing else. You can ramble on but it makes sense only to you
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Ren
No. It is not about just the Roman Church. You and others have made it about the whole Church. As it is, quoting Canon Law as you have doesn't count as quoting the pope. And clearly, Cardinal Dolan disagrees with your interpretation of Canon Law. Who knows Canon Law better, Cardinal Dolan or you? In any case, you are an anti-Christ.
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Daniel Gray
Oh really? Cant read much then can you as the thread header clearly states "For First Time, Catholics Control All 3 Branches of US Government"
But then nobody ever said you were correct in anything
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Ren
No. It is not about just the Roman Church. ***You and others have made it about the WHOLE Church. *** As it is, quoting Canon Law as you have doesn't count as quoting the pope. And clearly, Cardinal Dolan disagrees with your interpretation of Canon Law. Who knows Canon Law better, Cardinal Dolan or you? In any case, you are an anti-Christ and you have yet to prove otherwise. In this thread alone, many ppl have agreed with me - once again proving that you are a liar.
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Rev Hannah Grace
No, they aren't hypocrites - in fact the opposite - they are being true to their own beliefs, despite wanting to still consider themselves Catholics. There are millions of Catholics who disagree with many of the teachings of the Church, not about the spiritual things that are considered dogma, but about the very human things, like sexuality, contraception and abortion. The church should NOT be involved in these area. Nowhere does Jesus condemn any of these things. Sure, life is sacred, but Catholics and other Christians are the hypocrites in that they only seem to think that unborn life matters. What about the living woman who has 7 children already and can't use contraception and can't afford to feed them? What about the lives of those 7 children who are hungry? What about the life of the young teen who is pregnant and needs an abortion or the unwanted child who is born and put into a system that then abuses them? What about the LBGT+ person who is afraid to come out because of violence against them? These are all lives too. But the pro-life group never seems to care about any of their lives.
These things are of this world, not the next, and the Catholic Church and all other religions should just keep out of them and focus on the spiritual aspects of their beliefs. It is particularly bad of the Catholic Church to make these decisions because they are all men in charge, and mostly old men, and supposedly celibate men (although we know where that has led). It is simply disgusting for any religion to threaten the soul of someone because of their own personal views about these issues.
As for still wanting to be a Catholic despite having different opinions, I salute this because change only happens by those who stay and not by those who leave. I doubt though that the Catholic Church will ever change simply because it is the men in charge who would have to make the changes and this would threaten their own power base. Only cults try to control every aspect of their memebers lives, so any religion that does this is basically a cult.
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T Kosse`
Really! they are all three hypocrites? And this coming from you Robert J Giammarco a person who believes Q Anon conspiracy theories and that Trump is the second coming of Jesus or god depending on which whack-job you want to believe. Yeah anyone who is completely devoid of any intelligence and totally brain dead can clearly see what a shining example of good righteous Christianity and high morality that Trump is.
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Rev. Anna Stanfield
Unfortunately these three are in favor of policies that go against the catholic teaching. So sad to have these represent the church.
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Lionheart
I’m sure Nancy Pelosi only goes to Mass for a taste of wine. 🍷
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T Kosse`
Well what else do you have to look forward to after sitting through a very long mass, besides those communal are very dry so you do need something to wash them down with.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I can't understand why anyone thinks that being a member of a religion means that person is a representative of that religion, and believes in and abides by everything that religion stands for. I considered myself Catholic for years (many years ago), but thought that had to do with my personal religious beliefs, and the kind of church I went to. I never cared what the Pope believed in, or the dictates of the church regarding anything other than biblical teachings. Of course, I never spoke for all Catholics, and know some people are totally into their religions, but can't see why an individual lay member would be held accountable for his religion's teachings, like a representative of that religion, simply for professing to be a member. It's not like he's a paid employee of the church, like a priest, or nun.
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Brien
Are we really going to do this? I don't care if they worship magic rocks down by the seashore. What I do care about, as should the rest of you, is the JOB that they do while in office. Just a reminder to everyone, we PAY them to do the job of taking care of this COUNTRY. I hope they do a good job. I don't care who they pray to or what keeps them grounded. Neither should you. If you wish to be ruled by religion, the middle east has been doing it for a few thousand years now. Feel free to relocate. Peace
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Rev. Jonathan Peebles
There was a time this would bother but if the new pope except homosexualit6y anything is possible I guess besides anyone is better than trump! The did a lot of bad things in the bad old days just like any other Christian religion. As well as any other religion period...
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Just because the Catholic hierarchy is against something why should it's members. Most Catholics are Catholic because they were baptized as such, as babies. N9t because they took a course in Catholicism, and swore by an oath to hold sacred everything the religion and it's hierarchy believes in, and adheres to . I attended Catholics schools for six years, and an hour of religion class every day of it, but was never required to take such an oath, n9r did I share many of the churçhs beliefs or values, yet I was still considered Catholic. No wonder I was getting drunk on communion wine before Mass, when I was an altar boy, in the fifth grade. I also managed to get expelled from two Catholic schools, but was still considered a Catholic, in good standing. And I directly told one of my girlfriends to get an abortion, and do it in the name of Jesus!!!
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T Kosse`
Part 1of 2
Congressional Republicans at impeachment hearings Tuesday tried to defend President Donald Trump by pushing a widely discredited claim that former Vice President Joe Biden pressed Ukraine’s government to shut down a corruption investigation of Burisma, the energy company paying Biden’s son Hunter.
Trump spoke out against witnesses for passing on what he contended was thirdhand information about his July phone call with Ukraine’s president — when those witnesses actually were on the call and heard it for themselves.
A look at some of the remarks in the second round of public hearings in the impeachment inquiry by the House Intelligence Committee and Trump’s response:
CALIFORNIA REP. DEVIN NUNES, the top Republican on the committee, speaking of the news media: “You’d think they would be interested in Joe Biden threatening to withhold U.S. loan guarantees unless the Ukrainians fired a prosecutor who was investigating Burisma. That would be a textbook example of bribery.”
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T Kosse`
Part 2of 3
THE FACTS: The prosecutor wasn’t investigating the company at the time. Moreover, the United States and Europe wanted Ukraine to do a broader, more aggressive investigation of corruption in the country, and Biden was among the international leaders who considered the prosecutor ineffective.
Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, have defended their actions in asking Ukraine to investigate the Bidens by citing a video of Joe Biden from 2018. Speaking on a public panel, Biden recounted threatening to withhold a $1 billion loan guarantee from Ukraine's government unless it fired the prosecutor who the U.S. and other countries said was failing to fight corruption.
In early 2016, Biden did push Ukraine to fire the prosecutor charged with investigating Burisma, a company where Hunter Biden was a board member, except that the prosecutor had already stopped investigating. Ukraine fired the prosecutor.
TRUMP: “All these people are talking about they heard a conversation of a conversation of another conversation that was had by the president.” — Cabinet meeting.
THE FACTS: Trump is wrong that the witnesses testifying Tuesday only had thirdhand information about the call at the center of the whistleblower complaint.
Both Lt. Col Alexander Vindman, a National Security Council expert on Ukraine, and Jennifer Williams, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence, directly listened to the July call between Trump and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.
TRUMP: “Right now you have a kangaroo court headed by little shifty Schiff, where we don’t have lawyers, we don’t have witnesses, we don’t have anything.” — Cabinet meeting.
THE FACTS: Depends on the meaning of “we.” Republicans on the committee have a lawyer asking questions of the witnesses, so it’s not true that they have no legal representation. And several witnesses were invited at the request of Republicans on the committee.
It’s also true, though, that Trump himself does not have a lawyer speaking for him at the hearings led by the chairman, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif. That’s not unusual. The inquiry is meant to be a fact-finding process and the president is not charged with anything.
He will have legal representation if the House Judiciary Committee moves ahead to draft articles of impeachment against him.
REP. JIM JORDAN, R-Ohio: “The call leaks, the whistleblower goes to Chairman Schiff’s staff. Then he runs off to the lawyer, the same lawyer who said in January of 2017 the coup has started against President Trump.”
THE FACTS: Jordan’s chronology is problematic. The whistleblower didn’t go running to lawyer Mark Zaid, who more than two years ago did tweet about a “coup” against Trump after the acting head of the Justice Department refused to defend Trump’s travel ban on visitors from some majority Muslim countries.
The whistleblower’s original, and lead, attorney is Andrew Bakaj. Zaid joined the team weeks later.
Jordan’s timeline about the call leaking also may be confusing.
Details of the call had not yet been leaked to the public when the whistleblower contacted the House Intelligence Committee for guidance, speaking to an aide who counseled the official to contact the inspector general.
The details emerged publicly in the whistleblower’s complaint itself.
When Jordan spoke of the call leaking, he may have meant that those who heard the conversation spread the word to others inside the administration.
NUNES: “Now that the whistleblower has successfully kickstarted impeachment, he has disappeared from the story, as if the Democrats put the whistleblower in their own witness protection program.”
THE FACTS: The whistleblower hasn’t “disappeared.” That person has offered to submit written testimony; Republicans have rejected that.
Trump and his GOP allies are suggesting that the whistleblower’s complaint is false, and so the person has vanished. But key details have been corroborated by people with firsthand knowledge of the events who have appeared on Capitol Hill.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry Kossee, but nothing you posted on this is fact. Even your so called whistleblower (who freely admitted he heard this third hand so under the law he isnt a whistleblower nor is covered as same and the reason he resigned is because he was up for court martial. He violated not only the UCMJ rule that you cannot disparage a superior officer as he did with Trump, but he was also BANNED from wearing his dress uniform in a political situation according to the UCMJ. Both of which is a court martial offense. So he was given a choice, resign or be court martialed.) admitted on video during the hearings that nothing he did was legal nor above board. And he also admitted that at no time did Trump EVER demand anything or give a "do it or else" statement.
try again Kossee and this time use the truth
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Part 2of 2 Vindman later testified in person before the US House of Representatives on November 19, 2019. In his testimony, Vindman stated that he made a report to an intelligence official about what he heard during Trump's call with the Ukrainian President and felt what the President mentioned during the phone conversation was "improper."
Because of his testimony, Vindman was denounced by Trump and repeatedly attacked by Republican lawmakers and television commentators. As a result, he reached out to the Army regarding his and his family's safety.
Alexander Semyon Vindman (born June 6, 1975) is a retired United States Army lieutenant colonel who was the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council (NSC) until he was reassigned on February 7, 2020. Vindman came to national attention in October 2019 when he testified before the United States Congress regarding the Trump–Ukraine scandal. His testimony provided evidence that resulted in a charge of abuse of power in the impeachment of Donald Trump.
Commissioned in 1999 as an infantry officer, Vindman received a Purple Heart medal for wounds he received from an IED attack in the Iraq War in 2004. Vindman became a foreign area officer specializing in Eurasia in 2008, and assumed the position of Director for European Affairs with the NSC in 2018.
In July 2020, Vindman retired after 21 years in the military. He cited vengeful behavior and bullying by President Trump and administration officials after he complied with a subpoena to testify in front of Congress during Trump's impeachment hearings. At the time of his retirement, Vindman's promotion to the rank of colonel had been abnormally stalled by the administration. On August 1, 2020, Vindman authored an opinion piece in a Washington newspaper addressing his retirement
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Vindman was subpoenaed to testify before Congressional investigators on October 29, 2019, as part of the U.S. House of Representatives' impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump. He is the first White House official to testify who was actually on a July 25, 2019, telephone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in which Trump asked Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, who was campaigning for President. Based on his opening statement, obtained in advance by The New York Times, Vindman's testimony corroborates previous testimony from Fiona Hill, his former manager, and William B. Taylor Jr., acting Ambassador to Ukraine.[20]
On October 28, 2019, Vindman's opening statement to a closed session of the House Intelligence Committee, House Foreign Affairs Committee, and House Oversight Committee was released, ahead of his testimony the following day. Vindman testified that: "In Spring of 2019, I became aware of outside influencers promoting a false and alternative narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency," which was "harmful to U.S. national security" and also "undermined U.S. Government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine."
Opening Statement of Lieutenant Colonel Alexander S. Vindman Before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, and the House Committee on Oversight and Reform October 29, 2019 (released October 28, 2019) Vindman states that, additionally, he was concerned by two events, both of which he objected to with senior officials in real time, and which he reported to the National Security Council's lead attorney. The first event occurred at a July 10 meeting between Ukraine's then Secretary of National Security and Defense Council Oleksandr Danylyuk, and then US National Security Advisor John Bolton, at which Ambassadors Volker and Sondland, and Energy Secretary Rick Perry were in attendance, and at which Sondland asked Ukraine to launch investigations into the Bidens in order to get a meeting with President Trump. Vindman states that Bolton cut the meeting short, and that both Vindman and Hill told Ambassador Sondland that his comments were inappropriate and reported their concerns to the NSC's lead counsel.
Trump–Ukraine scandal
A request by U.S. President Donald Trump (right) to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky (left) to investigate Joe Biden and his son sparked the scandal.
The second event occurred on a July 25 phone call between Presidents Trump and Zelensky. Vindman states, "I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. Government's support of Ukraine. I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security." Vindman also stated that he reported his concern to the NSC's lead counsel, John Eisenberg.
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Daniel Gray
Nice try Kossee, and I see you intentionally bypassed the question that was asked Vindman of if he had any first hand knowledge of the contents of the phone call...and he replied "no sir I do not" and this is on the video of the hearing that is in the Congressional Library so you cant refute it.
So either he perjured himself or you are yet again using bovine droppings to try and make your point and failing miserably. try again
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T Kosse`
I know you use bovine droppings as manure (agricultural fertilizer) when it is recycled into the soil by species such as earthworms and dung beetles, but it sound as though you Danny Boy have been smoking it in it raw form. No wonder why you're so delusional and demented, what very few tiny bit of microscopic brain cells that you had were totally fried
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Part 1of 2 What changes when Pope Francis grants all priests the authority to forgive abortions December 4, 2016 9.40pm EST
https://theconversation.com/what-changes-when-pope-francis-grants-all-priests-the-authority-to-forgive-abortions-69330
The Roman Catholic Church will allow priests all over the world to grant forgiveness for abortion. This announcement came from Pope Francis at the end of the Jubilee of Mercy – a holy year dedicated to forgiveness.
When the holy year concluded on Nov. 20, Pope Francis made permanent the permission that he had provisionally given priests to forgive the sin of “procuring abortion” through the sacrament of reconciliation, more commonly known as “confession.”
Numerous questions were raised following the pope’s decision: Could priests not forgive abortions already? Or, is the pope softening the Church’s stance on abortion?
As a Catholic academic who studies the diversity of global Catholicism, I believe the pope’s actions are significant: The pope is ratifying a practice that is already in place in much of the Catholic world; he is also broadening the possibilities for Catholic priests to show care for the laity under their charge.
Transparent, research-based, written by experts – and always free. Abortion in Catholic canon law The first thing to appreciate is that abortion has a complex place not just in broader Catholic understandings of sin, but in the Church’s complex legal codes.
It is also important to understand that in context of abortion the sin is “procuring abortion” – not just “abortion.” It includes, potentially, not just the one who carries out the abortion, but also the woman who obtains the abortion (if she does so as a conscious act, freely, knowing that it is wrong or sinful) and others who aid and abet the process.
Throughout Catholic history there has been periodic debate over when “ensoulment” of the fetus occurs. For example, and most famously, St. Thomas Aquinas, one of the foremost shapers of Catholic doctrine in the period following the Middle Ages, argued that ensoulment actually occurs for boys at 40 days after conception, and at 80 days for girls.
Nonetheless, abortion itself has been routinely condemned, from early Christian councils in A.D. 305 to the present day. In 1588 Pope Sixtus V attached the penalty of excommunication to abortion in his “Papal Bull,” an official letter from the pope. Pope St. John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis have also all emphasized abortion as among the gravest of sins.
Anti-abortion activists in Madrid, Spain, hold banners reading ‘No to abortion, yes to life’ during a protest. AP Photo/Andres Kudacki When the pope extended the authority of priests to forgive the sin of procuring an abortion, he was addressing a crucial distinction in the law of the Roman Catholic Church. Canon law, the official law or “canons” of the Catholic Church, makes a distinction between a “sin” and a “crime.”
A “sin” is an act committed with “full knowledge and consent” that goes against God’s will: Sins, particularly mortal sins which endanger a person’s salvation, such as murder, theft and adultery, are normally “absolved” or forgiven when a person confesses his or her sins to a priest. This, in the Catholic Church, is the “sacrament of reconciliation.”
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What changes when Pope Francis grants all priests the authority to forgive abortions December 4, 2016 9.40pm EST
https://theconversation.com/what-changes-when-pope-francis-grants-all-priests-the-authority-to-forgive-abortions-69330
A “crime” is a transgression of law that carries with it a particular canonical, or legal, sanction. For example, in addition to procuring abortion, attacking the pope, ordaining women to the priesthood and violating the confidentiality of the confessional would be considered “crimes” according to Catholic canon law.
Abortion – both sin and crime So, from a Catholic legal perspective, not all sins are crimes, but all crimes are sins.
Procuring abortion, as canon lawyer Edwin Peters makes clear, is treated as both a sin and a crime under Catholic legal codes. As a sin, procuring an abortion must be confessed to a priest.
But as a crime, procured abortion carries with it the penalty of “latae sententiae excommunication”: that is, automatic expulsion from the Catholic Church. Only sins that are also crimes incur automatic excommunication, although one can be excommunicated through a formal process for other reasons – something that is very rarely done nowadays.
The fact that procuring an abortion is both a sin and a crime places those wanting to confess in a peculiar bind: They cannot be absolved of the sin without confessing before a priest. However, since they have been automatically excommunicated, they are denied access to the absolution of sins granted in the confessional.
Normally, it is only within the power of the bishop to remove the penalty of excommunication. So someone wishing to be absolved of the sin of procuring an abortion would first need to have the penalty of excommunication lifted by the bishop before confessing to a priest.
In 2009, for example, the family of a nine-year-old girl in Brazil who had an abortion after having been raped by her stepfather was excommunicated by the local bishop, as were the doctors who performed the procedure. While the bishop’s decision brought a huge backlash among rank-and-file Catholics, it was formally consistent with the letter – if not the spirit – of Church law.
What will change? What Pope Francis is doing is allowing priests to simultaneously lift the penalty of excommunication and absolving someone who confesses to procuring an abortion. In other words, the intervention of the local bishop is no longer necessary.
In many parts of the Catholic world, the pope’s decision actually does not change anything. For example, in most American dioceses priests already have the permission to do exactly what Pope Francis is allowing: to lift the penalty of excommunication and absolve the sin of procuring abortion.
So, perhaps the most relevant questions are, “Why is Pope Francis doing this now and what difference does it make?”
On one level, Pope Francis is extending a practice that has now become common in many places and making it universal throughout the Catholic Church: not all Catholic dioceses or bishops allow their priests to lift excommunication along with absolving the sin of procured abortion. As the 2009 Brazilian case makes clear, that authority is not in place in many dioceses.
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the last part What changes when Pope Francis grants all priests the authority to forgive abortions
But on another level, Pope Francis’s act is encouraging priests to be more sensitive to context of their parishioners’ lives, as in the case of the nine-year-old girl, and to rely less upon legalistic formulas and definitions when it comes to dealing with the complex realities of human life.
In the United States, for example, Catholic women tend to obtain abortions at a greater rate than Protestant women. In 2014, 24 percent of U.S. abortion patients identified as Catholic.
Given the strong prohibition against abortion in the Catholic Church, it is clear that a significant number of Catholic women in the United States believe that an abortion is a personal decision that reflects their own assessment of what is not only in their best interest but also in the best interests of their families.
A path for the church to be more merciful While Pope Francis’ decision in relation to abortion is not surprising in and of itself, it is part of an overall approach to Catholic teaching and practice that seeks to make it more humane, more merciful and more easily adaptable to the vicissitudes of everyday human life.
And just as this approach has many supporters who value flexibility and sensitivity, it also has detractors who value the clarity and cogency of timeless truths that allow no variation in their application and enforcement.
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Dorothy E. Cogswell
Separation of church and state
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John Levy
They are not Catholic! Two of them pray to the gods of power and money. I do not judge, but their actions speak of the truth of my statement.
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Ren
Actually, their actions do NOT speak the truth of your statement. You have no proof that that "two of them pray to the gods of power and money." and therefore are guilty of breaking the Ninth Commandment - Bearing false witness.
You are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22)
YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Minister Mike
Based on what has been seen so far, much of the controlling party's platform is at odds with Rome's, so I'm not overly concerned.
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Dave J
I'm old enough to remember JFK. My father was so anti catholic he was not upset when JFK was shot. Just because he was an adherent to catholicism. Stupid. There are way better things to be upset about in your politicians.actions.
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John Norris Campbell
The Jesuits, the military branch of the RCC beast system have trained the last 5 U.S. Presidents..including Obama and Trump, and that stooge, Billy Graham, was tasked to remove all the anti Catholic history from the famous "Halley's Bible Handbook"...every copy of that book, from 1923 to 1962, shows, historically, just exactly how corrupt the RCC has been since it's inception and in 1962...when good ole Billy bought out the copyright...every "Halley's Bible Handbook" has huge chapters missin... coincidence? I think not...because then...right after the edit...Billy started to give out that hand book to new "so called Christians"...his famous "alter calls" were used to steer the sheeple into the waiting arms of the catholic clergy.
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Ren
Thou shalt not bear false witness ... Any who break even the smallest part of the law is guilty of breaking the whole law... By virtue of this... You are guilty of murder as you have posted such lies without a shred of proof.
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Thom
As a former Catholic I can only agree they are Catholic in name only! If they were truly Catholic they would be against abortion, gay marriage and much more. But, these folks are trying to champion the cause. I believe president-imposed Joe is not in good standing with the Catholic church and should not be receiving communion. But Joe just says, "Come on man!" and does as he pleases. For those of you who don't agree, below is an article regarding my comments.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-faith-ads-cardinal-not-a-catholic-in-good-standing
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Ren
As a former Catholic I believe you are wrong. What you describe isn't a church but a cult.
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John P Maher
JESUS H. CHRIST !
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Lionheart
I’ve always wondered what the H stood for? Did he have a middle name? Herod maybe? A popular name at the time.
Harold? Harry Christ just doesn’t fit though does it? Harry Krishna got away with it though, but made it popular by giving it a different spelling to be fashionable. 🤪
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T Kosse`
The H stands for Holy as in Holy crap run! Because when your dad got home and you hear your Dad yell at top of his lungs Jesus H Christ! You knew that you're in big trouble now.
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Daniel Gray
Um no. Sorry wrong again. The Pope has already said that neither Pelosi nor Schumer can take the sacrament as long as they support the murder of children by abortion. And Chief Justice Roberts does not let his religion cloud his judgement in the court.
So at best you can only say a Catholic holds the highest office in ONE branch of the government. Just more click bait from someone who posts nonsense on the blog.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Ah your sad little lies, the Pope has already been very vocal about his desire to visit the U.S. and meet with the new president as well as hold communion for all of the above. You just love to lie just like your false god drumpf dontcha DG.
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Daniel Gray
Poor little Turkey, you seemingly cant do anything other then whine and cry when you cant refute something. Thats why you get roasted in every thread you post in as 99% of the people who read your fantasies know they are a total crock and call you out on them
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Ren
Actually, he did refute your false witness with actual fact. Now you need to provide actual evidence that the Pope has said anything about Pelosi or Schumer. Otherwise it's further proof of your false witness.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry he did no such thing.
"The relevant sections in the Catholic code of canon law are canons 912, 915 and 916. The first, canon 912, states that “Any baptized person not prohibited by church law or teachings can and must be admitted to holy communion.”
"Canon 915, directed toward priests and eucharistic ministers, states that “[t]hose who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.”
"Canon 916, directed toward the individual communicant, states that “[a] person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible.”
Biden has already been denied Communion in two separate areas, one in Wilmington, Del and again in South Carolina.
Now just how do you think this is any different then what I posted?
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UPDATED – FLORENCE, S.C. (CNS) — Former Vice President Joe Biden attended the 9 a.m. Mass at St. Anthony Church Oct. 27 and when he presented himself to receive the Eucharist was refused by the pastor.
“Sadly, this past Sunday, I had to refuse holy Communion to former Vice President Joe Biden,” Father Robert Morey wrote in a statement responding to queries from the Florence Morning News.
But After the incident was publicized, the Diocese of Wilmington, Delaware, issued a statement saying: “The church’s teachings on the protection of human life from the moment of conception is clear and well-known, and also stated that Wilmington Bishop W. Francis Malooly has “consistently refrained from politicizing the Eucharist and will continue to do so. His preference, as with most bishops, is to interact with politicians individually who disagree with significant church teachings.”
However he did not interact with individually with Former Vice President Joe Biden before he publicly refuse holy Communion to former Vice President Joe Biden, therefore he did politicized it.
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Ren
Mr. Gray, you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Daniel Gray
Nice myth Ren, here is what the 1st actually states. Now please show us exactly where it says that they shall be separate?
Article 1 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Strange isnt it that nothing that you claim is anywhere in the 1st.
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Ren
The fact that the government shall in no way endorse any form of religion IS the separation. You obviously failed American Civics 101. As Bill Engvall is so fond of saying, "here's your sign."
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Ren
The fact that the government shall in no way endorse any form of religion IS the separation. You obviously failed American Civics 101. As Bill Engvall is so fond of saying, "here's your sign."
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Sorry but it was The Rev. Frank Pavone, founder of Priests for Life, a Catholic anti-abortion group based in the U.S., says, "Vice President Biden and Nancy Pelosi should certainly not receive communion, either at the papal installation or anywhere else. The Pope never said anything about it unless you think that The Rev. Frank Pavone was elected the bishop of Rome by a papal conclave.
During a vice presidential debate in 2012, Biden said he personally accepted the church's teaching that life begins at conception and as a personal matter he opposes abortion. But he added that he would not impose his belief on others and believes every women should have the right to make that choice.
Catholics and others had a fiery debate on the issue and related themes. Some said anti-abortion Catholics are being hypocritical if they do not also favor denying communion to Catholic leaders who support the death penalty; capital punishment also goes against church teaching.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry Kossee but wrong yet again. So now you are delusional enough to try and claim the Pope didnt say what he said???
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T Kosse`
Well unlike you most people can read and comprehend what is factually written. Besides everyone know you well enough to know that you only read, see, and hear what fits with your preconceived beliefs and world view.
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Daniel Gray
then whats your problem that you seeming cant?
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Ren
The Pope hasn't said ANYTHING about Pelosi nor Biden receiving (or not receiving) the Sacrament. What you've posted before is simply a regurgitation of canon law and does NOT count as any statement by the Pope. Aside from that, there is NO indication that the stated beliefs of Pelosi and Biden are in contravention of any canon law. At least that's according to "Cardinal Dolan: I would not have denied Joe Biden Communion" https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2019/11/01/cardinal-dolan-i-would-not-have-denied-joe-biden-communion Mr. Gray, you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Daniel Gray
wrong yet again Ren, this is church policy
"The Catholic Church opposes all forms of abortion procedures whose direct purpose is to destroy a zygote, blastocyst, embryo or fetus, since it holds that "human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception."
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Ren
But that's not exactly fully true. Nor is it a quote from the pope which you previously claimed. In other words, you lied. By your continued breaking of the Ninth Commandment, you fully confirm that you are an anti-Christ. You are especially deceitful by the fact that you left off the part of the Roman Church's position regarding medical necessity for some abortion, such as the removal of a cancer in the womb.
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T Kosse`
The Vatican says the pope lectured Pelosi about abortion and assisted suicide. However The pope never made the statement that Pelosi nor Schumer can take the sacrament as long as they support the murder of children by abortion. this is just a figment of your imagination that have no real basis in fact,
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Daniel Gray
nope its a figment of YOUR imagination that the Pope is going to allow these two to violate church teachings.
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Ren
According to Cardinal Dolan, they aren't breaking church law. And I trust Cardinal Dolan's judgment regarding Canon Law over your poor logic. As far as I know, Biden has never gotten an abortion and so is not subject to any sort of church discipline. Same goes for Pelosi. Get thee behind me, anti-Christ!
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Catherine
Being that governmental Constitutions in the world are rooted in canonical law, established by the Catholic Church, the concern of different religious entities seems warranted. Personally, I wish religions were not at all involved with politics.
As any of this pertains to the topic, there is much movement by many who work against each other for their own benefit, I do not perceive the Catholic Church as THE instigator. Nor do I perceive the Catholic Church as being responsible for all the world's ills. Neither do I deny there has been good done in the name of God, gods, and religious faiths. I do feel there is a certain religioius 'busy-ness' that muddies political concerns that interferes with the lives of other individuals who believe differently.
Simple universal truths and principles give healthy guidelines and exist in most cultures. Grace is key. Definitional grace.
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Woodrow
They aren't Catholics. Catholics don't believe in abortion.
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Ren
Wrong. Abortion as self-defense is not considered murder by the Roman Church.
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CB Cuff
"Catholics don't believe in abortion", but millions of them walk around, go to work, go to church , go shopping, armed to kill. I'd be interested to hear how that is justified by a Catholic.
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MICHAEL OWENS
I do not believe the Catholic church supporting Pelosi to do anything
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Randall Hall
Calling them "Catholics" or even "Christians" is disrespectful to Christians and Catholics everywhere. Considering this a sign of progress shows how corrupt many churches have become. These people cling to "catholic" as a shield to defend all their corrupt and disgusting acts while churches use it as a sign that we are "winning."
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Richard Michael Salvatore
WRONG,WRONG,WRONG. A FETUS IS A LIVING HUMAN BEING AT THE VERY MOMENT OF CONCEPTION. AND TO BARE FALSE WITNESS IS THE 8TH COMMANDMENT " NOT THE 9TH. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL. SINCERELY FATHER RICHARD SALVATORE . PRIEST AND DOCTOR OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CBURCH "MICHIGAN" CHECK IT OUT
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Ren
A Fetus may be a living human being at the moment of conception (which is debatable because it wasn't until AFTER he received the "Breath of Life" that man became a Living Soul (Gn 2:7) which is why the ancient Jews didn't believe a person received their soul until they were born) but that doesn't mean all abortion is murder. It is made quite clear in the Old Testament that killing another person in self-defense is NOT murder. Therefore, a woman who chooses to have an abortion because otherwise she will die is NOT guilty of murder.The ancient Hebrews had a word for abortion, and yet NOWHERE in the Scriptures is it equated to murder. The Roman Church has gone beyond what is written in this regard, violating Paul's warning (1Cor 4:6).
In fact, God outlined the process by which homeopathic abortions were to be performed - it's called the "test of bitter waters" - (Num 5:11-31).
If I remember correctly, it is the Roman Church (as with some wack-a-doo protestants) that have rules against birth control. Nowhere in the Old Testament nor New Testament is there anything written against contraception. The Roman Church has again violated Paul's warning about going beyond what is written.
As for which commandment is the 9th or the 8th, in the scriptures themselves there is no numbering of which one is which. And as I was addressing far-right protestants, I chose their numbering where it is the 9th Commandment which addresses False Witness. https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/the-ninth-commandment/ https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/10-commandments/lying-ninth-commandment/ https://livingchurch.org/covenant/2020/09/16/the-ninth-commandment-you-shall-not-bear-false-witness-against-your-neighbor/ That you didn't know this, it makes me wonder what else you've got wrong ("falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus")
I'm surprised that a scholar of the scriptures such as yourself didn't know any of this. Or is it that you did, but were just hiding it out of intellectual dishonesty?
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Reverend Thom
Let's look at the record: Pelosi is pro-abortion on whim. That is not a universal Catholic principle. = CINO (Catholic in name only) Roberts cannot seems to be consistently conservative, although that is what got him to SCOTUS. = JTC (Judas the Catholic) Biden is now a communist because it got him to the political position he has coveted for decades. He thinks he deserves to be President. He is a thief; 32 years ago he committed plagiarism; some years ago he began blackmailing the Ukraine and took money from his son's illegal activities; in 2020 he stole the right to suffrage from the American people. = LTC (Lying, thieving Catholic) If the Pope was not a socialist/communist himself, he would excommunicate Pelosi and Biden.
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Richard Michael Salvatore
The next time there's a demon in your house please, please, please do not call a PRIEST !!!!!!! Father SALVATORE Roman Catholic "Michigan"
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CB Cuff
Do you have a list of names you can refer people to? I live in Utah.
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Richard Michael Salvatore
Sorry I spelled Church wrong.
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Wayne H Love
As believers of God, we will be faced with circumstances that will challenge our faith. This isn’t a bad thing. It’s good for us to talk to God and ask questions because it secures us in what we believe. Remember, Jesus’ ministry revolved around asking questions. It also revolved around prayer. Situations of conflict and disaster are difficult but they remind us that our God is close and can carry us through any situation. Trust in His magnificent power!
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Kenneth E. Salvage Sr
They are Catholic in name only unfortunately. I would not put much faith in them Brothers and Sisters!
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Richard Lee Cornell
Hitler had his Reichstag and Biden had his Reichstag on Jan 6. So far he has had people fired who work in the energy industries. Guess somewhere down the line you can Biden, Fuehrer Biden.
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Paul Donaldson
I would have guess the question asked was : What is a true Catholic? In this modern world of ours, there are as many answers as there are countries in the world. Remember, there is a lie in the middle of every beLIEf.
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Marius Gabriel Burja
So realy what is in a name? I'd like to know what others think. I know mine has a meaning. It even depicts me. It's my God given name. I thank God that it's not Stickn Mud. I think I have the best name ever. Jesus Christ himself gave it meaning because his name means something. It means savior.
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Jean Bakula
I am sure women aborted children from the beginning of time, but probably died from it. The Bible basically hates women and makes them second class citizens. I hope we are more enlightened now. I am glad we have a POTUS who cares about women and wants to do right by them.
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Michael S Cope
They will use hate and lies to twist the GOD given rites. Millionaires rarely do much to help others. If they all signed a document saying they will work for one dollar a year... Then i will believe they want to help people. Kennedy was the LAST honest democrat.
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Carolyn Sue McQuarters
Catholics are anti-abortion. They may all call themselves catholic but they cannot possibly be so. It would be great if they really were and abortion were made illegal.
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Ren
Even by the Roman Church's reasoning, not all abortion is murder. Nowhere in the Holy Scriptures is abortion equated to murder. People like you are hypocrites. You are more than happy to support the Death Penalty even though the Roman Church's position opposes it.
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Charles Thomas Norkus
This article says that Nixon used Billy Graham against Kennedy - "Graham petitioned those on his mailing list – some two million American families – to implore those in their churches and Sunday schools to vote in the upcoming election" - but did Graham actually denounce Kennedy and Catholics, or did he just encourage his listeners to vote?.
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Alexander Clarke
My, my, my didn't we go through the Catholic thing with Kennedy? I would rather have Catholic leaders than narrow minded bible thumping Southern Baptists.
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Daniel Gray
everything I have posted has been based i fact, as unlike you I check my sources BEFORE posting myths and claiming them as fact as you seemingly do.
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Ren
Mr. Gray, you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Daniel Gray
Ren I am stating fact. not what you think the gospel says. you are like the Pharisees that we were warned about
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Ren
As most here have pointed out, you are not stating fact. You have claimed that the pope made a statement that he didn't. You have disregarded the statement of Cardinal Dolan. You have claimed that Biden broke Canon Law when he couldn't have (men don't get abortions and Biden isn't a doctor so hasn't performed any either.) Pelosi has never gotten an abortion nor has she performed the same, so she hasn't broken the Canon Law that you refer to. You have ignored the part of the Canon Law which allows for an exception for medical necessity. It is you who have given false witness. It is you who is like the pharisees we have been warned about. It is you who is an anti-Christ. Get thee behind me, Satan!
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Daniel Gray
I made a statement taken directly from his Easter service. Nice try Ren but educate yourself
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Ren
No you didn't. You quoted Canon Law and some lackey here in the states. You have NOT directly quoted the pope condemn Biden or Pelosi. You are a liar. As most here have pointed out, you are not stating fact. You have claimed that the pope made a statement that he didn't. You have disregarded the statement of Cardinal Dolan. You have claimed that Biden broke Canon Law when he couldn't have (men don't get abortions and Biden isn't a doctor so hasn't performed any either.) Pelosi has never gotten an abortion nor has she performed the same, so she hasn't broken the Canon Law that you refer to. You have ignored the part of the Canon Law which allows for an exception for medical necessity. It is you who have given false witness. It is you who is like the pharisees we have been warned about. It is you who is an anti-Christ. Get thee behind me, Satan!
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Ren
No you didn't. You quoted Canon Law and some lackey here in the states. You have NOT directly quoted the pope condemn Biden or Pelosi. You are a liar. As most here have pointed out, you are not stating fact. You have claimed that the pope made a statement that he didn't. You have disregarded the statement of Cardinal Dolan. You have claimed that Biden broke Canon Law when he couldn't have (men don't get abortions and Biden isn't a doctor so hasn't performed any either.) Pelosi has never gotten an abortion nor has she performed the same, so she hasn't broken the Canon Law that you refer to. You have ignored the part of the Canon Law which allows for an exception for medical necessity. It is you who have given false witness. It is you who is like the pharisees we have been warned about. It is you who is an anti-Christ. Get thee behind me, Satan!
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Ren
No you didn't. You quoted Canon Law and some lackey here in the states. You have NOT directly quoted the pope condemn Biden or Pelosi. You are a liar. As most here have pointed out, you are not stating fact. You have claimed that the pope made a statement that he didn't. You have disregarded the statement of Cardinal Dolan. You have claimed that Biden broke Canon Law when he couldn't have (men don't get abortions and Biden isn't a doctor so hasn't performed any either.) Pelosi has never gotten an abortion nor has she performed the same, so she hasn't broken the Canon Law that you refer to. You have ignored the part of the Canon Law which allows for an exception for medical necessity. It is you who have given false witness. It is you who is like the pharisees we have been warned about. It is you who is an anti-Christ. Get thee behind me, Satan!
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Ren
No you didn't. You quoted Canon Law and some lackey here in the states. You have NOT directly quoted the pope condemn Biden or Pelosi. You are a liar. As most here have pointed out, you are not stating fact. You have claimed that the pope made a statement that he didn't. You have disregarded the statement of Cardinal Dolan. You have claimed that Biden broke Canon Law when he couldn't have (men don't get abortions and Biden isn't a doctor so hasn't performed any either.) Pelosi has never gotten an abortion nor has she performed the same, so she hasn't broken the Canon Law that you refer to. You have ignored the part of the Canon Law which allows for an exception for medical necessity. It is you who have given false witness. It is you who is like the pharisees we have been warned about. It is you who is an anti-Christ. Get thee behind me, Satan!
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Dan Velez
As I read all the comments, I’m deeply saddened by the human disconnect we are all suffering from. “Where’s the love?” To know love is to know God! If we don’t love in all we do, then evil will prevail and this nation will fall.
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Lionheart
What human disconnect are you referring to Dan? Why do you say to know love is to know God? The god I learned to know about in the Bible, if thats the one you are referring to, is anything but love. He’s a brutal, genocidal, and infanticidal, jealous bully, so please can you explain? Thank you.
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Daniel Gray
And if you seemingly think that you can alter the words coming directly from Bidens own mouth, then I have the same property for sale to you and a very low price. Problem is that you will most likely think I could actually sell it to you
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Ren
It's you who has misquoted and lied about Biden and Pelosi. You quoted Canon Law and some lackey here in the states. You have NOT directly quoted the pope condemn Biden or Pelosi. You are a liar. As most here have pointed out, you are not stating fact. You have claimed that the pope made a statement that he didn't. You have disregarded the statement of Cardinal Dolan. You have claimed that Biden broke Canon Law when he couldn't have (men don't get abortions and Biden isn't a doctor so hasn't performed any either.) Pelosi has never gotten an abortion nor has she performed the same, so she hasn't broken the Canon Law that you refer to. You have ignored the part of the Canon Law which allows for an exception for medical necessity. It is you who have given false witness. It is you who is like the pharisees we have been warned about. It is you who is an anti-Christ. Get thee behind me, Satan! you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Daniel Gray
I see spamming and lying is all that some people here have left. Typical when they get hit with the facts and the truth this is all they can do.
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Ren
Actually you haven't presented any facts - only lies and misinformation. It's you who has misquoted and lied about Biden and Pelosi. You quoted Canon Law and some lackey here in the states. You have NOT directly quoted the pope condemn Biden or Pelosi. You are a liar. As most here have pointed out, you are not stating fact. You have claimed that the pope made a statement that he didn't. You have disregarded the statement of Cardinal Dolan. You have claimed that Biden broke Canon Law when he couldn't have (men don't get abortions and Biden isn't a doctor so hasn't performed any either.) Pelosi has never gotten an abortion nor has she performed the same, so she hasn't broken the Canon Law that you refer to. You have ignored the part of the Canon Law which allows for an exception for medical necessity. It is you who have given false witness. It is you who is like the pharisees we have been warned about. It is you who is an anti-Christ. Get thee behind me, Satan! you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Ren
Actually you haven't presented any facts - only lies and misinformation. It's you who has misquoted and lied about Biden and Pelosi. You quoted Canon Law and some lackey here in the states. You have NOT directly quoted the pope condemn Biden or Pelosi. You are a liar. As most here have pointed out, you are not stating fact. You have claimed that the pope made a statement that he didn't. You have disregarded the statement of Cardinal Dolan. You have claimed that Biden broke Canon Law when he couldn't have (men don't get abortions and Biden isn't a doctor so hasn't performed any either.) Pelosi has never gotten an abortion nor has she performed the same, so she hasn't broken the Canon Law that you refer to. You have ignored the part of the Canon Law which allows for an exception for medical necessity. It is you who have given false witness. It is you who is like the pharisees we have been warned about. It is you who is an anti-Christ. Get thee behind me, Satan! you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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Ren
Actually you haven't presented any facts - only lies and misinformation. It's you who has misquoted and lied about Biden and Pelosi. You quoted Canon Law and some lackey here in the states. You have NOT directly quoted the pope condemn Biden or Pelosi. You are a liar. As most here have pointed out, you are not stating fact. You have claimed that the pope made a statement that he didn't. You have disregarded the statement of Cardinal Dolan. You have claimed that Biden broke Canon Law when he couldn't have (men don't get abortions and Biden isn't a doctor so hasn't performed any either.) Pelosi has never gotten an abortion nor has she performed the same, so she hasn't broken the Canon Law that you refer to. You have ignored the part of the Canon Law which allows for an exception for medical necessity. It is you who have given false witness. It is you who is like the pharisees we have been warned about. It is you who is an anti-Christ. Get thee behind me, Satan! you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
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What difference does it make there all nothing but corrupt officials
You really should present your proof before making such accusations, otherwise all you're doing is spreading a false witness - breaking the Ninth Commandment.
You want proof? ok Biden swore he would with hold aide from a country unless they fired the prosecutor investigating his son. And he had no authority to do same.
Pelosi got tax breaks for the company her husband runs, which is a federal felony.
You want more? Or are you going to understand that you are wrong yet again?
Except one thing - none of the first point actually happened.. and because you insist on continuing with your false witness, I ignored the rest (falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus). You need to repent your sin here. You have broken the ninth commandment and continue to do so - committing homicide of other people's reputations. In fact, the Scriptures even tell us that someone like you who is guilty of violating even a small point of the law is guilty of violating the whole thing (including stealing and murder. )
So I guess the video of Biden bragging about threatening to withhold the aid unless the prosecutor stopped the investigation of his son Hunter and fired the one doing the investigating isn't proof enough for you? You do know there is a video of him bragging about it don't you? The video is easy to find, like most things all you have to do is look and you can find the evidence. Of course no one expects YOU to actually LOOK for the evidence of crimes committed by these people because it would prove you are wrong. Biden is not a Catholic, he's a lie, everything about him is a lie, he's a criminal. The Constitutional America is gone due to the criminals who have been in government and in charge for over 50 years.
You're the one making the claim, can you post the video?
The video doesn't exist... which is why you didn't link to it. You are guilty of violating the ninth commandment.
Sorry Ren but the Video DOES exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY
You really should watch it closely because it doesn't say what you claimed. There was no investigation by any prosecutor in the Ukraine into Hunter Biden. The prosecutor that Biden pushed to get fired was refusing to investigate corruption. You have misrepresented the nature of the video. You have again borne false witness... Again with the constant breaking of the Ninth Commandment
Nope sorry Ren, the tape clearly shows what was said and what was not said, and nothing you claim was said is in the tape.
Try again
You really are an idiot. That video says NOTHING about any investigation into Hunter Biden, Moron. And at the time of that corrupt prosecutor, there wasn't even any talk about investigating Hunter. You're entitled to your own opinion but NOT your own facts. Here you are making up facts. You are beyond help. You continually break the Ninth Commandment while falsely claiming to be a Christian. You are a GOAT ... and you know what happens to the goats in Mt 25:31-46.
The tape you might have seen on FoxNews was a dubbed video put together by the station. If you believe what the likes of Hannity, Tomi, Laura and Judge Jeanne have to say I have some water front property in the desert for you.
yes Kossee is doing everything you said. On that we have no disagreement
part 3of 3
The rough transcript of the July 25 phone call between Trump and Ukraine’s leader also showed that the whistleblower had accurately summarized the conversation in the complaint sent to the acting director of national intelligence.
The whistleblower has offered through the whistleblower’s lawyers to answer questions directly from Republicans on the committee "in writing, under oath & penalty of perjury." But Republicans, who are interested in exposing the whistleblower's identity, want that official to appear at the public hearings.
U.S. whistleblower laws exist to protect the identity and careers of people who bring forward accusations of wrongdoing by government officials. Lawmakers in both parties have historically backed those protections.
Trump himself refused to provide anything but written answers in response to limited questions during the special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference during the 2016 election. Trump this week suggested he may submit written answers for the impeachment inquiry as well.
Except one thing - none of the first point actually happened.. and because you insist on continuing with your false witness, I ignored the rest (falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus). You need to repent your sin here. You have broken the ninth commandment and continue to do so - committing homicide of other people's reputations. In fact, the Scriptures even tell us that someone like you who is guilty of violating even a small point of the law is guilty of violating the whole thing (including stealing and murder. )
sorry it actually did happen, and just because you refuse to accept it doe snot make it any less true.
No it didn't happen. You are a liar and a disgrace to the Church.
STOP WATCHING FOXNEWS or getting your news from YouTube!
Seems the only one allowing talking heads to tell them what to do is you
Mr. Gray, you are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11) By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
how can they be false when they are taken directly out of the constitution and the King James Bible?
You are an anti-Christ who has twisted the words of the true Gospel and failed to acknowledge the full intent and meaning of the words of the US Constitution. You are a liar who has attempted to deceive by stating falsehoods as fact. You continually and without repentance break the Ninth Commandment with your false witness.
It sounds like you might be Jewish. Personally, I don't belong to a religion that has any commandments, and many other ULC ministers are the same way. Shalom!
Carl. You do belong to a religion that has commandments. If you belong to the ULC all religions are accepted under Gods universal laws. God also tells you about Jesus who did give a commandment to love one another. You also have to understand that God dominates this ULC through Jesus Christ. Righteousness prevails in Jesus Christ. You can deny him and God but you will be denied by them and you will not know the holy spirit. You can make up whatever you want but the holy spirit of Jesus Christ will always be the way to God. The other ways bring you to judgment and when it comes to that you already plead no contest. Therefore you are guilty of denial. Redemption calls you Bro. Denial calls you the challenger of God. Maybe you need to study a bit about where you are because Jesus Christ is A U BACK and a ewe back. Universal Born Again Christian Kid a child of God. A Dominant creation of God who is the Great Order Dominantor of the Universe and beyond as it is within it and all the things within and within the things seen and unseen. That means ALL. Just keep in mind there are many mansions in my fathers home but not all are free to travel as they please through them and do as they please unless they are in Jesus Christ. Because only then can you be a child of God. Otherwise you join the ranks of his order and he placed Jesus Christ in charge. His order of command says to love one another. The teachings of love are the gospel. Study it or walk away but strife is not allowed in my fathers home. He has law enforcement officers deal with that. He has Armies Navy Air Force Marines and all as well as Nature. You can not escape the system of systems that God put in place. Further more you are being watched. All the angels and Jesus Christ are watching and God already Knows who and what you are. You should get to know God better and then he will show you all his ways that lead you to me. Here in the clouds you can change and evolve or grow closer to God by loving and seeking the truth. Don't take my word for it but read all you want. You are here now and you can not escape. It's your life that you have to save first by submitting to God orders or commands. Know that this CHURCH and ministry belongs to God in the name of his monestary. His brick and mortar church. The temple of the holy spirit is your body which belongs to God not you. You were entrusted to give it back by faith and doing righteous things that glorify God in the way God wants to be glorified and that is written in Gods word the bible and last will and testament of the gospel. So if you don't inherit the law of God then who's will you have? Because there is only one God of the Universe. The verse is God. Je Suis God. I am God. I am G I am A to O and A to Z and all that they form and the combination there of all numbers sybols all things on the chart of elements their actions and the maker of all. God owns all and is a FORCE of law and laws. God will weed out all who do not love his order. Whatever God decides to use, the sun the people the animals the machines whatever, they all belong to God. His system has order. Many orders. I'm even talking to you through his order in the clouds. Just like the good book says. 🤓 He gave me all because I give it back to him and glory is all his through me and for me to be with him and with all. God doesn't want anyone to perish and be a waste of his gifts of life. Only God gives life and takes it away. Believe what you want but the time will catch you with your guard down because even your guard belongs to him. He told you he'll take all away from you if you're not willing to share it with all his children the way he wants not the way we the individual want. What's the point of serving a master that you don't know or one that doesn't give you all? The point is that you were made for his use. Just don't challenge him because you will lose. You did lose 2021 years ago. So recognize. Because he gave you time to serve and others of his have surved for you to be here and now. Doomsday is coming. It's a solar micro nova and a flip of the earth. Like the days of Noah and the earth will burn. In Jesus Christ you will be saved. Should he come for you before or after doomsday? Because he's here already. Doomsday is still on the way. We all want to be counted before that day. As I am in. Amin. So should all be in who accepts the law of God. Love and live peacefully in joy be righteous no matter nationally or belief. We are all tied together around the world to Gods orders and laws. Science is his too. It's still part of his nature.
Marius you seem truly confused, the ULC is not a insular site. We do not hold to any religion being true, but rather religion is a personal thing. And in general most members of the ULC are pretty strongly opposed to the insular rhetoric most Christians come here trying to push like yourself.
All three branches Catholic, what a joke. I guess now the Catholic church endorses abortion? In 1993, Biden voted for a provision that deemed homosexuality incompatible with military life, thereby banning gays from serving in the armed forces. And Now as a good sanding Catholic what is his position but just the opposite.This good Catholic is nothing but a card carrying official hypocrite. Oh but now we have to wait for the die hard democRATs to come to his aid and defend him at all cost. Because he is only a CINO (Catholic in name only). when it suits him. And do we need to count all the violations of the Commandments by Kamala. Another CINO
I'm not Jewish... I'm Christian... however, here I'm referring to what most protestant churches refer to as "the moral law" It's the protestant excuse for many of their hypocritical positions - so I have learned to use it against them just as Jesus used the Sadducees' acceptance of the Torah only against their hypocritical positions.
We shall soon see, The United States Armed Forces are gearing up for a massive capture of hundreds for Treason against our Country!, they will be Republicans and they will be Democrats, they will be elected officials and foreign nationals, They are the Ones who have Oppressed The American Christians and spread propaganda such as was done in WW2, but this time, A Great Nation will Not Fall, nor, in The name of Jesus be Overthrown!
You're preaching a false gospel.
LMAO! Uhm no. I'm retired with 28 years in the military and maintain my clearance. I can bet donuts to dollars that nothing of the sort is in the near or future regarding and US "Troops"
How do we know you're preaching a false gospel? Because we're told in Dt 18:22 "when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him."
You are preaching a false Gospel, and are continually breaking the Ninth Commandment. "Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him," (1Jn 2:4) "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." (1Jn 2:11)
By continually breaking the Ninth Commandment, you are denying Christ the Son. "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (1Jn 2:22) YOU are an anti-Christ - one of many who have gone out into the world spreading a false Gospel of hatred and division. "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1Jn 2:18-19)
@Ren, if you feel Edwin Merle Waltz' statement is inaccurate, it follows you have not checked voting records for several decades. And perhaps U.S. Code or much of history? Corruption is so deep and striated between lawmakers, lobbyists, and politicians, that web has become inseparable. Boundaries between parties are no longer distinguishable, and religious involvement only muddies those waters.
And it is sadder to ponder corruption of the Catholic Church, practically from its inception beginning with politics and the establishment of brothels. Not that other religions don't have dark histories.
There are some pertinent references here: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican30a.htm:
"centuries of trafficking in ecclesiastical appointments, deceit, scandals, immorality, aggression, frauds, murder and cruelty, and the true disposition of the popes is knowingly falsely presented by the Church today"
(A History of the Popes, Dr Joseph McCabe [1867—1955], C. A. Watts & Co., London, 1939).
You have been deceived. Nothing you have shown is legitimate evidence of anything - only conspiratorial supposition.
You have replaced the Christ with a belief in some sort of twisted gospel that Jesus never preached.
You have no evidence of corruption. You have been deceived by Satan.