Is President Trump partly responsible for recent spikes in anti-Muslim hate crimes?
In their paper _Making America Hate Again? Twitter and Hate Crime Under Trump_, a team of researchers from the University of Warwick discovered a link between President Trump's tweets on Islam and a corresponding rise in anti-Muslim hate crimes.
The researchers came to this alarming conclusion after studying FBI hate crime statistics and comparing them to Trump's Twitter history.
Their findings revealed a stark rise in anti-Muslim hate crimes that began during Trump's presidential campaign. These hate crimes were also concentrated in counties with high Twitter usage - boosting the chances that attackers had been inspired by Twitter messages. Then there's this: researchers found a direct correlation between the number of Trump tweets criticizing Muslims in a given week and the number of anti-Muslim hate crimes reported in that time span.
"I think it all comes together to create this kind of environment where targeting Muslims is acceptable or has become acceptable," said Madihha Ahussain, of the Muslim-rights group Muslim Advocates.
What Researchers Looked At
Researchers studied the 26 year period for which the FBI has published data surrounding hate crimes against Muslim-Americans. What became immediately clear is that Trump's time in office is a historical outlier in terms of the average number of reported hate crimes - eclipsing even the spike in anti-Muslim attacks prevalent in the post-9/11 era.
While the researchers were careful to elaborate that they don't believe Trump directly encourages supporters to carry out violence against Muslim citizens, they also don't rule out the possibility that Trump's eagerness to criticize Muslims has led to a rise in Islamophobia and hate crimes. Nor has this trend been limited to U.S. soil, as the recent "Punish a Muslim Day" incident in the U.K. goes to show.
Tweets on the Record
Perhaps the most striking Twitter example cited by critics were a series of fake videos retweeted by Trump that claimed to show violent acts being carried out by Muslims in Europe. After a strong backlash, Trump later apologized for retweeting the videos.
In another tweet, sent last summer, Trump seemingly endorsed the tactics many attribute to a U.S. general who served in the Philippines. He reportedly used pig's blood as a way to threaten Muslim prisoners into submission - pigs are considered unholy in Islam and coming into contact with their blood amounts to a holy desecration of the body.
Study what General Pershing of the United States did to terrorists when caught. There was no more Radical Islamic Terror for 35 years!
Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 17, 2017
Then there were the numerous tweets Trump sent regarding his travel ban (criticized by some as a de facto Muslim ban) which elicited strong reactions from both sides.
Researchers examined the impact of these tweets - along with many others - and came to the conclusion that Trump's messages could be having a notable effect on hate crime rates.
Security Concerns: Real or Fake?
Although this evidence is largely circumstantial, on the whole it paints a disturbing picture. Like it or not, Trump's criticism of Islam has struck a chord with many Americans who believe that Islam poses a grave threat to the Western world. With Islamic terror attacks continuing to occur, many are convinced that ensuring national security will require taking a hard line on issues like immigration. But others argue these fears are largely fabricated, and point out that fearmongering will only make the situation worse.
What do you think? Is President Trump to blame for the rise in anti-Muslim sentiments, or are there other forces at play?
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Katelynne Victoria Shouse
Well duh!!!! The Evangelicals and the Right Wing Fascists are now one in the same......not that they haven't always been mind you, but now they can be as open & brazen as they want.
Herr Twittler is merely allowing his disciples to emulate both he, and their, mentor, Herr Hittler!
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John Owens
Stupid bullshit propaganda. How brainwashed can a person be to even spout stuff like that?
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Chad V. Westfall
The only threat Islam poses to the West is that it exposes the hate-filled right for what it is!
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Ruth Williams
I agree!
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John Owens
Yeah, those 911 hijackers exposed so much. Your view is very open-minded. The man who shot up the gay bar in Florida exposed so much hate in the right, as did the Fort Hood shooter and the couple in San Bernadino. Yep. We owe Islam a debt of gratitude for exposing all that hate.
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VCDee
Thank you. Good response.
I was blocked by Facebook for one month in regard to my comment on Muslims throwing acid in women's faces (who were not wearing burkas or hijabs). Facebook felt my comments would be hurtful to the Muslim community. Wrap your head around that one. -
Dan Atatakai
John - The actions of those examples of people who CLAIM to be Muslim go completely COUNTER to the teachings of Islam. Are you one who will condone the actions of the KKK and claim, as they do, to be Christian?
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Dan Atatakai
Veronica - I can understand why you were blocked from Facebook given that your example you gave was not representative of the average Muslim, let alone the teachings of Islam.
The example of exposing people to being doused in acid can be found in Christianity in abundance, probably more than you will find in Islam. Look at the number of abuse cases of this type in Brazil! Remember, almost all Brazilians are Christian.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_ironing
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-18/domestic-violence-church-submit-to-husbands/8652028
sojo.net/articles/im-marriage-counselor-heres-what-i-want-christians-know-about-domestic-spiritual-abuse
http://www.fixinghereyes.org/single-post/Her-Story-of-Domestic-Violence
These are but a few of the myriad examples of abuse being found more in Christianity and other religions than in Islam.
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John Owens
Dan, you are full of crap. If I said anything untrue, please demonstrate it. If not, how about wearing mittens so you can't type stupidity?
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Chad V. Westfall
Have you even been in a mosque before, or are you just parroting what you've heard from Fox News? Show us the imams who are teaching this hate in the US before you make such harsh judgments.
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Dan Atatakai
John - Here are a few examples of where Muslims have condemned terrorism, showing it is anti-Muslim and anti-Islam to promote terrorism:
muslimscondemn.com
Here is a short reference for you regarding how Islam CONDEMNS terrorism, even though you seem to think it promotes it.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/islam-muslim-terrorism-islamist-extremism-quran-teaching-violence-meaning-prophet-muhammed-a7676246.html
Fact 1 The Quran requires that you read it in full. No “cafeteria Quran” here. As Quran 3:8 says, “We believe in it, the whole is from our Lord.” Isis and Islamophobes instead cherry pick. Quran 3:8 pre-emptively calls out people who cherry pick as “perverse” people, declaring, “…those in whose hearts is perversity seek discord and wrong interpretation of [the Quran].”
But don’t some verses of the Quran in fact say, “kill them where ye find them?”
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Fact 2 Islam is a practical faith that permits self-defence in certain strict situations. When? Let the Quran explain.
First, the Prophet Muhammad and his companions patiently bore vehement persecution in Mecca for nearly 13 years. This included a three-year starvation boycott from which his wife Khadija later died. Muslims didn’t fight back.
Next, Muhammad sent some companions to seek refuge in Abyssinia under a Christian King, and Muslims still didn’t fight back. Third, when the Prophet’s companions even asked to fight back, Muhammad responded clearly, “I have not been given permission to fight.” And, finally, when the persecution became unbearable, Muhammad and the Muslims simply left Mecca – still refusing to fight back.
These refugees trekked 240 miles through the desert to escape terrorism, finally arriving in the predominantly Jewish city of Medina. If Islam taught terrorism and enforced Sharia, this was the time to demonstrate this. Instead, Prophet Muhammad formed the Constitution of Medina with the Jews, establishing a unified secular state.
Yet the extremists trying to kill Muslims in Mecca pursued the Muslims to kill them in Medina. And now – finally – the Quran addressed fighting for the first time, permitting Muslims to fight in self-defence. The permission given in Quran 22:40-41 to fight was only given to “those against whom war is waged.” And fighting wasn’t just to defend Muslims from persecution – but to defend Christians, Jews, and people of all faiths. All subsequent verses addressing fighting are pre-conditioned on these clearly outlined rules of self-defense. Otherwise, it’s cherry picking, something the Quran forbids as perverse.
Additionally, Quran 2:193-194 declares that Muslims may only fight active combatants. Meaning, even if during battle an enemy combatant asks for amnesty, you must grant it. In Islam, there’s no such thing as “collateral damage,” mutilation, or torture. All this notwithstanding, fact three issues the death blow to Daesh and Islamophobe ideology.
There is much more which might help you to understand that your perceptions of Islam and Muslims is quite inaccurate.
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caz
Who blew up complete country at the behest of Israel? Who is planning to blow up another for the same reason? Whose invasions have resulted in the whole region erupting in war. Who has been responsible for murdering various heads of countries that they did not agree with, resulting in these countries being totally destabilised? Yes we owe the US a debt of gratitude for demonstrating all that hate
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John Owens
Dan, you are ignoring what Rushdi said, which prompted my statement. You defending Islam will not change the minds of the radicals.
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John Owens
Rushdi, your question is totally irrelevant. None of this has anything to do with whether or not I have been in a mosque or what channels I watch or do not watch. If I were a muslim convert that would not changes the facts I mentioned and ALL the channels carried the news of which I speak and you are the only parrot in this particular conversation.
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Dan Atatakai
These people have absolutely NO idea what Islam is about. If they did, they would understand that Muslims are not terrorists, and that the Qur'an condemns it. ISIS, as just one of many examples, is no more Muslim than the Ku Klux Klan are Christian. Just because they CLAIM to be of a group does not make it so.
No, the Qur'an does not say to attack anyone who is not Muslim. It does not say that Muslims should just go out and murder people. If you have not even taken a simple comparative world religions class, you will not understand what the passages mean.
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REV. THEO KLEBES Interfaith Chaplin
I concur!
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Carl Elfstrom
I also agree.
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Ruth Williams
Thank you, I also agree.
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Carl Elfstrom
I'm glad I've never had a twitter account and never pay attention to such things. I'm also glad I know that I am the only person who I can change.
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Rhonda M
I agree also since Trump has been in office there has been a lot of discord among the American people jo is nice to anyone anymore
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caz
Unfortunately Trump has legitimised this sort of insanity and indirectly promoted it
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Frank Villari
I also concur. Another study can be done where a link between Islam and terrorism can be easily determined, and it still won't make all muslims terrorists any more than this study condemns all Christians, or Al Sharpton or the NAACP represent anything but self-serving reverse racism. We need to see things and people for what they are, not for what we want them to be.
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John Owens
Apparently many Islamists have not read the Qur'an, then. Doesn't matter what it actually says to the rest of the world. All that matters is what Islamists appear to think it says, or how they choose to practice it.
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Fred V Miller Captain Retired
I have lived a long time,, I am in my ninety's, I believe that I am, not a bigot, I am a lover of my country that believes in the freedom of religion. I do not believe that any religion that doesn't live within the frame work of our constitution has a protection from the laws of the land. Any society has the right of self protection But words like jihad and inter relationships between man and woman, that are violations of our laws these are not protected and are subjected to pursuit in our court system. There arises when the obligation of citizenship must be met and there is a conflict between religion and the laws of the land. Fred V Miller Sr
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VCDee
Fred, you will appreciate this Vimeo: How our Framers would stop the islamic takeover of our Country and how our Constitution helps us Please look that up and watch it plus share. She has several videos and another one you will like is her presentation on a natural born citizen.
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caz
What are framers going to do. I assume they are going to frame pictures wrong. This is the last in a number of posts that you have stated that framers are going to save you.
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John Bryant
Fred, I appreciate your experience. Don't forget New and Old testament call for holy war too. No muslim I know would ever say killing in the name of their faith is acceptable. Only a small percentage of muslims believe that. Just like a small percentage of Christians believe we should kill muslims or expel them from our nation.
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Gregory Bethune
Take over our country, really. Islam is a small minority in our country.
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John Owens
They are certainly taking over parts of Europe, and a few places in Michigan and Minnesota.
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Dan Atatakai
John Owens - Are you going to claim that there are "no-go" zones in Paris and London, too? Islam and Muslims are NOT attempting to take over anything. They are trying to survive. That's all.
They said the same thing about Vietnamese coming into the US and settling into South Orange County, California. "They are taking over the country!" Nonsense.
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John Owens
Dan Anderson, you are talking bull. Nobody is trying to kill them in those places. You are a muslim apologist and propagandist.
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Annmarie Buckley
The same could be said for all the "Christians" who quote the bible - and interpret it to mean what they want it to mean, to serve their agenda and condemn others.
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Dan Atatakai
John - By any chance, do you mean Muslims? Muslims adhere to the Qur'an far better than a good percentage of those of other religions, including Christianity, even though all three groups worship the same deity.
Again, please do not take groups like ISIS, the Taliban and al Qaida as Muslim, because these groups twist what the Qur'an actually says to make it fit their willful ignorance.
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Lori
As the Christians do with the bible. These books are open to interpretation. In their pursuit of happiness and peace while drawing on the wisdom within these books, so many stumble into a negative mindset and lose the very thing that they"re looking for. Put away the the holy books and try some common sense.
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John Owens
Dan, as I said elsewhere on this page, what the Qur'an actually says is less important to non-muslims than what the people who call themselves muslim DO. I don't care what it says. I only care what they do. I don't want the Koran burned or banned. I just don't want the extremism HERE.
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John Owens
Oh, and if they are adhering to it, and it doesn't say those evil things, why are they still committing the atrocities? You say Muslims adhere better than others, then say these large movements are NOT adhering.
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Dan Atatakai
John - Again, your comment about Muslims can be applied to Christians as well. Should I condemn all Christians because of the acts of groups who CLAIM to be Christian, yet act in completely "unchristian" manners, like the Ku Klux Klan?
The KKK are extremist in nature as well, so what do you believe Christians should do about them? Do you think they should go hunting the KKK down?
What "large movements" are you talking about?
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John Owens
Isis, Hamas, Abu Sayyaff, Hezbollah, Gama’a al-Islamiyya, PFLP, etc. Ever heard of those? KKK is doing NOTHING since 1960s, in spite of people trying to say they are. I am not worried about them.
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Dan Atatakai
About these radicalists who belong to groups like Isis, Hamas, Abu Sayyaff, Hezbollah, Gama’a al-Islamiyya, PFLP, etc., these, like the Ku Klux Klan and more than 150 neo-nazi groups throughout the US, are well in force.
About your not worrying about the KKK, apparently you are unaware of them becoming extremely active in the past 10 or so years. By not worrying about them, you are ignoring them. They came about in large numbers ever since the 2008 election of Mr. Obama to the presidency. They are making a great deal of noise in the southeastern parts of the US, including in North Carolina, where they are making their presence well known.
Again, the issue is that Islam is NOT the threat, but people who twist what the various religions are.
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preacher richard h.
Its Illogical to compare the KKK with ISIS or radical Islam. Its a Club of men n women who by right exclude non white Membership. Will you Also compare the BLACK PANTHERS to ISIS an RADICAL ISLAM? Or just the White Group?
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Dan Atatakai
pastor richard h.
Its logical to compare the KKK with ISIS or radical Islam because they twist their "so-called religions" to fit their hate mongering. You said that the KKK is a Club of men n women who by right exclude non white Membership. So, you think shooting, hanging, dragging "people of color" is just a club? Yes, it is still happening. Yes, I see commonality "with the BLACK PANTHERS to ISIS an RADICAL ISLAM".
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preacher richard h.
DAN I understand your hatred of a White group But you make it sound like The KKK is running around the country an as you put it shooting, hanging, dragging “people of color” to death These violent acts haven't happened since the 1960's Any Violence at a KKK Rally (an they have that RIGHT in America) Always comes from Left wing Protesters Attacking a peaceful Rally. Yes the TOLERANT LEFT Sets Out to NOT Counter protest But to cause Violence Why is it in America Everyone has to TOLERATE Radical Leftwing Agendas But They don't have to Tolerate Anyone they disagree with.? You Know I'm right if you agree with the constitution, and like I said KKK hasn't attacked anyone in decades Just the opposite
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John Owens
DAN, trying to deflect by talking about Neo-Nazis is BS. White hate groups are marginalized and not doing anything. Most BIKER clubs forbid the wearing of white supremacist regalia. You keep trying to change the subject.
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Dan Atatakai
pastor Richard AND John
You claim that the KKK and Neo-Nazi groups are equivalent to "a guy's group" who drink beer and shoot pool, as if that is all they are doing. Apparently, you have not been exposed to the facts that they still ARE shooting people, threatening others, causing division through racial bigotry, and much more. No, they are NOT inactive since the 1960s. They are active today in many parts of the US. Not much is said about them in the news because "it does not sell" as well as talking about extremists who claim to be Muslim.
I hate white groups? Not at all. I disapprove of bigoted hate-mongers who think they are better than anyone else.
What "peaceful rally" are you talking about with your "conservative, peaceful tea-drinking KKK"?
Please give specifics to prove your claims. Where are "liberals" causing violence?
What "radical left-wing agendas" are you talking about?
No, John. I am not trying to change the subject. I am showing how you believe all Muslims are causing trouble and I show how first, Muslims do not, but radicalists do. Second,
I also am not saying that biker groups are causing trouble, either, in the line of racist bigotry. Your arguments still hold no validity.
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preacher richard h.
DAN ANDERSON You ASKED
What “peaceful rally” are you talking about with your “conservative, peaceful tea-drinking KKK”?
Any Rally the KKK have No matter if they were their costumes or not ALWAYS is planned an the city or TOWN give them a PERMIT and an AREA The VIOLANCE Always Starts With Protesters like Fascist ANTIFA , Or just Mobs that GATHER an those folks are RADICAL LEFTWING Sing and PRAISE each other for their TOLERANCE UNLESS You don't AGREE with them They start FIGHTS they cant FINISH then BOO HOO KKK guy KICKED my ass He shouldn't be aloud to believe what he believes They have to accept what We (FASCIST LEFTWING LIBERALS) believe OR ELSE.!!
YOU ASKED
What “radical left-wing agendas” are you talking about? I SAY On the Madness of Modern Liberalism: The egalitarianism and welfarism of modern liberal government are incompatible with the facts of human nature and the human condition. But the rise to power of the liberal agenda has resulted from the fact that the people of western societies have irrationally demanded that governments take care of them and manage their lives instead of protecting their property rights. This misconception results in massive violations of those rights while permitting government officials to act out their own and their constituents' psychopathology. The liberal agenda gratifies various types of pathological dependency; augments primitive feelings of envy and inferiority; reinforces paranoid perceptions of victimization; implements manic delusions of grandeur; exploits government authority for power, domination and revenge; and satisfies infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation. DAN you WROTE
You claim that the KKK and Neo-Nazi groups are equivalent to “a guy’s group” who drink beer and shoot pool, as if that is all they are doing. Apparently, you have not been exposed to the facts that they still ARE shooting people, threatening others, causing division through racial bigotry, and much more. No, they are NOT inactive since the 1960s. They are active today in many parts of the US. Not much is said about them in the news because “it does not sell” as well as talking about extremists who claim to be Muslim. 1st KKK n NEO-NAZIS are NOT the same Group or people an its ignorant for you to lump them together You act like the KKK are out ROAMING AMERICA killing an Hanging Blacks all the time
with their BIGOTRY they DIVIDE the COUNTRY and that The MEDIA DOESNT REPORT it because it Doesn't SELL?? are YOU KIDDING ME?
If this were so CNN would have 24 coverage look what happens when a White Cop SHOOTS a BLAC-K -GUY With THESE STATEMENTS DAN Anderson you Have LOST ALL Credibility an You are Nothing But a DEMOGOUGE
If you need me to Define that I will but You Know What it Means.
Last thing I never said they were INACTIVE since the 60's I said Attacks on Blacks haven't happened B-Y the way -DEMOCRAT in CONGRESS Was in charge of -the KKK he served- -a-s- a- D-EMOC-RA-T -and S-PEA-KER for 40 -year -Until -the -90's-
Look if you C-ANT Keep people out its NOT a CLUB anymore.
OPPIE TAYLOR said that to his Pa
I've outed you as a Demagogue DAN Anderson
an a FALSE TEACHER
Done with your Meaning less Words
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John Owens
AGAIN, Dan, you are trying to change the subject, deflecting. Wonderful attempt. Total bullshit.
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preacher richard h.
To DAN You keep TALKING about the KKK on the rise Causing Havoc in America. That's You being a Demagogue again.
I Live in the South East In ,Alabama an I'll be Dammed IF I can FIND any KKK Here. Trust me I looked so . Never seen the KKK high jack a plane or Heard of any violence they have Caused .
An if America was so Racist That Racist Obama would NEVER have BEEN ELECTED with out the White Guilt Vote.
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Dan Atatakai
richard - You claim, being in Alabama that you have never seen the KKK around. Interesting. I am in North Carolina, and they are rather abundant. I wonder if you really were looking for them.
While the KKK have not hijacked any planes lately, why do you take the acts of that Saudi-Arabian group and label them as Muslims, when their actions are AGAINST the teachings of Islam? THIS is the example I have been giving, and that you seem to keep missing. I am saying that groups like al Qaida, the Taliban, etc., are no more Muslim or following Islam than the Ku Klux Klan and the more than 150 Neo-Nazi groups in the US are Christian. Just because they CLAIM to be of their respective religions does not make it so.
I also never claimed that the US is racist. I merely pointed out that your error in calling these terrorists as Muslim is nonsense. (The current POTUS does happen to be quite a nasty little racist, however, and has been for decades, but that is not the theme here.)
Please offer ANY examples of how I am a "false teacher" let alone a "demagogue".
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preacher richard h.
DAN You keep joining Nazism Groups an the KKK like they are the Same an they are Not. also who are you to decide that the KKK aren't Christians? you write a lot of words but really say Nothing. ISIS an other terrorist Muslims are fighting a JIHAD an that comes from Muslims . who are you to say those Fighters aren't Muslims? Anyway.
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Dan Atatakai
"DAN You keep joining Nazism Groups an the KKK like they are the Same an they are Not. also who are you to decide that the KKK aren’t Christians?"
How are they NOT the same? They are terrorists. How are the KKK NOT Christian? Simple. Do they operate in the same way that the Bible supposedly teaches?
"ISIS an other terrorist Muslims are fighting a JIHAD an that comes from Muslims . who are you to say those Fighters aren’t Muslims?"
Again, if a particular group operates in a manner which goes COUNTER to the teachings of their own holy book, how can you claim they are what they claim? Their actions show that they are not.
Do you even know what the term "Jihad" means and what it encompasses? My guess is that you are going on what others have told you, but you have not learned it personally.
Let me assist you a bit: Islam distinguishes four ways by which the duty of jihad can be fulfilled: by the heart, the tongue, the hand, and the sword. The first consists in a spiritual purification of one’s own heart by doing battle with the devil and overcoming his inducements to evil. The propagation of Islam through the tongue and hand is accomplished in large measure by supporting what is right and correcting what is wrong.
In essence, it is an INNER struggle with one's self, determining what is right and wrong and which action one is going to take.
The "fourth", which is the least used, is "by the sword". This does not mean that it is going after anyone who is not Muslim. It is going against those who are attacking the Muslim. This came about because during the time of the writings, there was a great deal of attacks and invasions on people in their homes, which would end up in raping, pillaging and murdering people. This "jihad" was to go after them in an act of self-defense for self and others, and NOT anyone who disagrees with Islam.
Acts of terrorism are AGAINST Islam, not promoted.
Only two groups in our society promote the “Quran teaches terrorism” myth: anti-Muslim pundits and Isis extremists. Both are wrong.
This simplistic conclusion ignores that many groups in many countries are experiencing terror right now. It ignores the international arms trade from powerful western nations that wholly disregards human rights and has caused the death of more than 60,000 children in Yemen. And it ignores the fact that as Somalians suffer a massive famine Western media virtually ignores them – as it has ignored the Syrian crisis for the last several years.
Yet with attacks in Egypt, London and Syria, critics default to blaming the Quran, citing its allegedly “violent” verses. We cannot resolve the Syrian, Yemeni and Somalia atrocities until we adhere to justice. Blaming the Quran for terrorism is not only demonstrably false, it wastes precious resources that could be spent on stopping war and famine.
The Quran requires that you read it in full. No “cafeteria Quran” here. As Quran 3:8 says, “We believe in it, the whole is from our Lord.” Isis and Islamophobes instead cherry pick. Quran 3:8 pre-emptively calls out people who cherry pick as “perverse” people, declaring, “…those in whose hearts is perversity seek discord and wrong interpretation of [the Quran].”
Additionally, Quran 2:193-194 declares that Muslims may only fight active combatants. Meaning, even if during battle an enemy combatant asks for amnesty, you must grant it. In Islam, there’s no such thing as “collateral damage,” mutilation, or torture. All this notwithstanding, fact three issues the death blow to Daesh and Islamophobe ideology.
Now, if you want to bring up the Bible, there are many passages there which promote acts of violence without any preconditions. Look at the issue of killing those who become apostates of the Jewish and Christian faiths. It demands the killing of them. Not so with the Qur'an.
My guess at this time is that you will say "you are full of it" even though I give you facts and not just rumors I have heard from others, as it seems you have.
I look forward to your response.
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Chad V. Westfall
But the terrorists ARE Muslim and use the Qur'an to justify their heinous deeds! Until the Muslim community can come to a consensus of peace, WE NEED TO MAKE AMERICA SAFE AGAIN!
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Carl Elfstrom
I wish the extremist Christians would do that too.
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Ruth Williams
The only safety concerns I have is that this current president is out of office and not inflaming ignorance and hyped information and lies. Studies have provided an average of seven lies a day. In my lifetime I have never seen anything like this in my 40 years of voting.
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John Owens
If you want to prevent "inflaming ignorance and hyped information and lies," you might stop lying yourself. The swill you are spreading has no factual basis, and is in fact, ignorant, hyped, and false.
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Dan Atatakai
John - I would like some clarification on what you are posting.
Are you claiming that Ruth's posting about Mr. 45 is not true, and that he is an honest POTUS? What lies is Ruth posting?
thetrumpimpeachment.com/Donald-Trump-breaks-the-1-000/ Note it is dated almost a year ago.
www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
John, I look forward to reading your clarification.
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John Owens
"Studies have provided an average of seven lies a day. In my lifetime I have never seen anything like this in my 40 years of voting."
Dan, the president doesn't ISSUE an average of 7 STATEMENTS a day. NO WAY he could LIE an average of 7 times a day. I don't care who says it. They cannot add or do simple division, apparently.
ERGO, LIES, ignorance, hype, more lies
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John Owens
Also, Ruth was parroting Whoopi Goldberg.
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Dan Atatakai
John Owens - Are you really going to tell me that, with all of the tweets your hero posts on a daily basis, that he has no way to make a minimum of 7 fabrications?
Also, I have never attempted to change the subject on this discussion. What I showed is that to blame Muslims for terrorism is the same thing as blaming Christians for the acts of Neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan. Just because these radicalists claim to be Christian does not mean they are by their actions.
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John Owens
You just did it again. You try to change the subject, talking about Neo-Nazis and the KKK, and then lumping them with Christians. Nobody said all Muslims are guilty. NOBODY SAID THAT. READ MY FONT. Stop trying to deflect. Rather than saying anything relevant, you keep deflecting.
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Dan Atatakai
Chad - Do Christians have to come to a consensus of peace against the so-called Christian groups like the more than 150 Neo-Nazi groups or the Ku Klux Klan?
Why should Muslims take responsibility for what they have not created? Terrorism is condemned in the Qur'an, so why should the Muslims go after the radicalists? Just because they CLAIM to be Muslim does not make them Muslim if their actions go against the teachings of the Qur'an. The same applies to those "christians" who claim to be Christian, yet their actions go counter to the teachings of the Bible.
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Lawrence Rupp
Of real interest is how US religious groups are reacting to much repeated Islamic slogans such as “Islam is a Religion of Peace”. Is it understood that “Peace” in Islam has a totally different meaning than the word has as we commonly use it in a pluralistic Western Democracy? In Islam “Peace” refers to a condition in which ALL people of the world are either converted to Islam, or live under Islamic political domination and control. Until then JIHAD must continue until “Peace” is accomplished.
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Chad V. Westfall
That's right Lawrence! Besides, when's the last time the KKK have committed a massacre in the name of the Christian God? I think the Christians have done a pretty dang good job at making sure they know they're unwelcome. If only the Muslims would do the same with their "bad apples"...unless maybe these "bad apples" ARE ACTUALLY THEIR HEROES
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Dan Atatakai
Chad - How are they Muslim? Just because they CLAIM to be Muslim does not make them so. Look at their actions and how it runs counter to the teachings of the Qur'an.
The overwhelming populations of Islam and Muslims condemn these acts of terrorism. Here are but a few sources which prove my point:
muslimscondemn.com
www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2017/mar/26/muslims-condemn-terrorism-stats
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-09/muslims-speak-out-against-terrorism/8606296
www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2097499/muslims-are-loudly-condemning-terror-world-listening
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-39392442
ing.org/global-condemnations-of-isis-isil/
Now, AFTER you have read these, please explain how these terrorists are Muslim, especially given where the Qur'an condemns terrorism. Need sources for that, too?
The permission given in Quran 22:40-41 to fight in self-defence was not only granted to defend Muslims from persecution, but to defend Christians, Jews and people of all faiths from acts of terror like those committed by Isis today
According to Islam, God Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an: ‘No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another’ (Surah al-Isra 17:15).”
If anyone slays a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew all people. And if anyone saves a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all people. Quran 5:32
Invite all to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching. And argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious... And if you punish, let your punishment be proportional to the wrong that has been done to you. But if you show patience, that is indeed the best course. Be patient, for your patience is from God. And do not grieve over them, or distress yourself because of their plots. For God is with those who restrain themselves, and those who do good. Quran 16:125-128
Oh you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor, for God can best protect both. Follow not the cravings of your hearts, lest you swerve, and if you distort justice or decline to do justice, verily God is well acquainted with all that you do. Quran 4:135
That should answer a few of your questions and quell your misperceptions about Islam and Muslims.
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Lori
I also agree.
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John Owens
If only ISIS would listen to you.
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Dan Atatakai
John - No argument at all! The same applies for all extremist groups who claim to be of one theological direction or another, when they do not follow the tenets of those religions.
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John Owens
At least we can agree on that much. If all humanity treated others as they wish to be treated, there would be more progress, less strife, zero crime, and zero punishment. No prisons, no wars, no armies or navies. The trouble with being humane is having to deal with humans.
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Kirk
Umm, there was absolutely no data involved other than saying attacks happened in coutries (plural) that had high Twitter usage. They also left out the backlash of uncontrolled Muslim immigration into Europe. Most anti-Muslim attacks occur in Europe. Whomever wrote this article just hates Trump.
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John Owens
Obviously! Like most of the people on this blog. Check out Katelynne's little insane rant. They create scenarios in their minds and invent relationships where they don't exist.
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biblical scholar
I'm not sure that you, a birther, should be calling people delusional, my friend.
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John Owens
First, I am NOT your friend. I don't befriend people who are so bigoted that if you do not accept THEIR delusion, they ridicule you, call you a hater, and delusional. Second, you cannot prove worth a damn, that Barry Soetoro was born in Hawaii. If he was, how did he qualify as an exchange student? Not ONE of you Obamites has ever answered when I ask that. Having doubts about anything a democrat says is, in fact, NOT delusional, but high-functioning reasoning. Just because I know what the TWO genders are and how to tell them apart does not make me evil, and just because I have serious doubts about our former president's pedigree does not make me delusional. You should look up that word. Apparently you don't the meaning. It has nothing whatsoever to do with being unconvinced about something that was doubtful at best.
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Dan Atatakai
John - You still believe that Mr. Obama was not born in Hawai'i? It has already been proven time and again. This is one of many evidences available to you to read for yourself:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2011/04/23/breaking-news/obamas-isle-birth-is-easily-verified-but-few-check/
When you posted this quite a while back, I gave you a source like this, including one which had a photograph of the Honolulu Star Advertiser brith announcement.
Please, instead of attempting to hurl insults, how about sticking to the subject at hand. Is that too much to ask for?
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John Owens
No. It has never been proven. A very shaky-looking birth certificate was provided on the internet. Big deal. I could do as good a forgery myself, and I am not a forger. So I'll ask this for the umpteenth time--
IF HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII, HOW COME HIS STUDENT ID LISTED HIM AS A FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT NAMED BARRY SOETORO? His birth certificate has him listed as Barak Hussein Obama. The announcement in the paper in the link you gave lists him as that. WHEN DID HE BECOME BARRY SOETORO? and WHY? How come his history up to the time he was GIVEN a spot in the state senate is so empty?
I keep asking that, and you freaking geniuses keep ignoring it. YOU are the gullible ones.
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biblical scholar
The foreign student ID is a well documented forgery, John. I'd recommend researching facts and being well-informed (and possibly pulling your head out of your rumpus) before proudly spouting racist ignorance.
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Gregory Bethune
If you do not believe that Obama is a US citizen, with all the proof. Do you believe in global warming, or the worod is a globe, or that we landed on the moon? Everyone has the choice to be ignorant, just keep it to yourself.
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John Owens
So, Ramona, let me get this straight: The foreign exchange student thing is a phony, a forgery, but the birth certificate is NOT. And you have personally examined these documents to determine their authenticity or lack thereof... Right.
You are being asinine to criticize me for not accepting the very sketchy stories of Obama's origins and early adulthood, just because you accept them. You WANT to believe in him. I don't care about him, so I WANT to be convinced he is legit. If you are gullible, don't judge me harshly for NOT being gullible. He damned sure isn't a Constitutional Scholar. That much should be obvious to anyone with a middle school education or above.
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John Owens
Gregory, I believe in warming. It happens every spring, and reverses every fall. Been doing that all my life. Do I believe cow farts and automobile exhausts are going to cause the waters to boil? GTF out. They've been crying about that crap since the early 70s and nothing has happened. Nothing has changed. Well, weather changes. That's what it does. That's why we call it weather. If it didn't change, we wouldn't have a vocabulary for it. I am not alone. A multitude of meteorologists agree with me. Contrary to the false doctrine to which you must adhere. "98% of all scientists concur." Total bullshit. You can't even poll 1/5 of the scientists, so you don't have a clue what they think. But, I'm sure Al Gore appreciates your gullibility.
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John Owens
I would like the fictitious person calling themself Dr. Ramona to explain how doubting Obama's birth certificate makes one a racist. Not a bunch of insults. Just explain the logic behind that assumption.
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biblical scholar
John, why do you so readily accept that our nation's first black president is an African? The unfounded conspiracy has been easily debunked repeatedly and obviously has racist origins to anyone with a functioning brain. Given that you cling to some ridiculous student ID (also easily debunked as a fake image) as "proof" of this evidence leads me to believe that you are not using facts and logic, but rather letting your hatred blind you.
I'd encourage you to look within and try and analyze why you harbor such rancor for people of color. Despite all evidence to the contrary, there is still hope for you yet, my friend. May you repent before you are judged by whatever God you believe in.
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Pastor Xal
Still? Come on John turn off Fox Media Circus. President Obama used Soetoro while in Indonesia. The college ID is a PROVEN FAKE. Refer to ID number & date taken. Also check a few websites over the years, including Snopes. He was born in Hawaii, refine your logic with Truth. Why is it so important to perpetuate #falsenews? Oh & refer to Mr 45's statements regarding Free Speech. Enjoy it now before the Little Dictator becomes a full-fledged.
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Dan Atatakai
John - I see what seems like an "endless string of rants" and accusations, yet I do not see you backing up any of your claims with citation. Why is that?
I suggest you offer actual reference to your claims and stop attempting to only inflame people with the use of ignorance. You have already proven quite well that you are ignorant about Islam. I wonder about your beliefs of other religions as well.
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John Owens
Ramona, you are an imbecile to continue to insinuate that my problem with Obama is his skin tone. I told you, you female twit, that I have black family. His pigment has nothing to do with it. His Marxism and Islamist tendencies have everything to do with it.
Dan, I don't do rants. I do responses to idiocy. The rest of you can sit on it. I'm busy but don't think I will allow you to say stupid crap about me and I'm supposed to just take it up the backside.
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Iconoclast
Dr. Moaner,
Because of their history of false flag publicity stunts.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/15/us/muslim-harassment-false-report/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/nyregion/manhattan-yasmin-seweid-false-hate-crime.html
https://www.news.com.au/national/muslim-woman-accused-of-making-false-police-statement-avoids-jail-over-identity-doubt/news-story/5b693561f28957a281b53049291e7932
https://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/11/11/muslim-student-charged-trump-hate-crime-hoax/
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/fatah-a-hijabi-hoax-that-fooled-canada
https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/04/washington-post-falls-for-anti-muslim-hate-crime-hoax/
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/04/why-the-punish-a-muslim-day-letter-is-almost-certainly-a-hoax
This was just done quickly on Bing. You can't do it on Google because Google's algorythms are set to steer away from them.
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John Owens
Oh yeah. I didn't call anyone delusional, either, Moron.
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caz
Weather changes, Climate is not supposed to, but is.
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John Owens
That is asinine. Climate has always changed. If it stayed the same, there'd be no humans. The planet would be full of dinosaurs.
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Carl Elfstrom
I don't hate Trump, and my political beliefs are by far mostly Republican, but I'll like him even better when he's no longer our president. I just feel bad vibes when I'm around him. That's why, next time, I'll probably vote for one of those damn democrats. It's a psychic thing. Shalom and Blessed be !
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REV. THEO KLEBES Interfaith Chaplin
My Christian teaching does not allow me to hate. I will say I cannot understand why so many, including our current president, invokes so much hate and violence and does it in the name of Jesus. It almost makes me, as a Christian, feel like the enemy and I am not!
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flugo
If . . . IF your teaching is Christian, you have the right and obligation to hate! Do you not hate murder? Rape? Home invasions? Child molestation? Terrorism? SIN?
My Heavenly Father hates. Does yours?
Don't call your teaching 'Christian' and improperly say it dis-allows you to hate. That's a contradiction!
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Carl Elfstrom
I'm glad your god isn't one of my gods.
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Stephanie Willey
The God i know, and who knows me is the God of unqualified love and infinite grace. There is no room and no place for hate there. Hate, I believe is the purview of a different, lesser, perhaps fallen god.
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John Owens
If you can convince the Islamists of that, we will live in a beautiful world. Until then, would it be ok with you if we love our enemies but defend ourselves from them?
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Gregory Bethune
Defending your self is one thing attacking someone because they are not like yourself is another.
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John Owens
Did I mention attacking anyone? I do not usually somnambulate, but when I do, I don't type well.
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Zeebramann
Just for clarification, the opposite of love isn't hate. The opposite of love is indifference. Hate is more like fear, and those two words are often interchangeable. Cheers.
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John Owens
So, thanks for that BS, Mahatma. What the Heck is anybody supposed to do with that?
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Zeebramann
well, a person who has intelligence will use it to understand life in general. What you will do with it is anybody's guess.
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John Owens
You didn't SAY anything, zombieman,
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Rev. John D. Partin
So, Bob, again we meet. Does the "Christian requirement to hate" justify, according to you, the Inquisition, the witch burnings, the Conquistadores' killings and violation of Indians in the New World, the "holy" wars, and all of the other crimes of Christianity down through history? If so, why don't we just put on Swastika armbands and the white hoods and sheets and start burning crosses on lawns and lynching and gassing those that we hate to death and stop making any pretense any longer of being "loving and forgiving people" and get it over with and out in the open?!!! I can see here from your justifying and demanding hate from Christians about Muslims and other people why you also express that same hatred toward homosexuals----because "it is just what God demands", right? Sig Heil and have a nice day!!!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Bob, do you know (or care) that The Satanic Bible and The Church of Satan also require their adherents to hate their enemies with a whole heart, just as you think that Christians should do? As a "Christian" (if that is what you actually are), you should certainly be worried about agreeing with The Satanic Bible and The Church of Satan about anything whatsoever, except, possibly, the time of day or the weather (and, even then, checking some other sources about those things!) and their saying to hate other people should certainly give you abundant reason to doubt your position!!! Jesus met and confronted other self-righteous people, such as yourself, who agreed with diabolical thinking, as you do, and told them "You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:44).
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REV. THEO KLEBES Interfaith Chaplin
You are welcome to your belief and to worship any deity you wish to as I have that same privilege. You can not convince me to hate because of your comments. I am glad Jesus came into my life with his teachings of love and not you with your hate.
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Dan Velez
We are taught to hate the sin, not the sinner. God is Love, unconditional Love and therefore hates none of his creation. Hate exists because of human nature to self preserve. Self preservation is a contradiction to Love. Love your neighbor as you Love yourself. Ask yourself, “Where’s the Love?” If you cant find it, then it is not of God.
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Dan Atatakai
Dan - That is where Christianity does not work for me. Given that hatred comes from fear and ignorance, I do not understand why anyone should hate, let along God.
How does self-preservation have anything to do with Love, especially being opposite or contradictory?
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Dan Atatakai
bob - What you call it being proper, let alone commanded, is a foreign concept to me. This is why I am not, by any means, any of the three Abrahamic faiths. Given that hatred is created from ignorance and fear, I find it to be an excuse to feed your fear and lack of knowledge.
No, I do not hate murder, rape, home invasions, molestation or terrorism. I disagree with it and condemn it, but I do not hate the concept. If you believe that your omniscient deity hates, then I would have to ask you, "What is it that you believe that God happens to be afraid of or ignorant about?" I thought you believed that God is omniscient, or all-knowing.
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Alicia
The President doesn't invoke hate, but people need an excuse to let their hate show publicly, so they use him. The President doesn't invoke violence. Again, people misquote his words and use it to publicly become violent.
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John Owens
Yes. Mostly the left misquotes him, and give him credit for every misdeed of anyone, whether they are leftist or not.
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Stephanie Willey
During his campaign, Trump regularly and repeatedly "suggested" that individuals should be taken out, beat, silenced. He mocked individuals he deemed "lesser" and unworthy of his respect. One does not have to use the word hate to clearly convey its message.
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Carl Elfstrom
It seems like I once heard Trump say "In the name of Jesus, damn those mice ! We need to get some more Decon."
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John Owens
He did NOT say that Muslims or other people of other nationalities should be beaten for being Muslim or other nationalities. NEVER. NOT ONCE. Criminals ARE lesser, and A"RE unworthy of his respect. What part of that justifies all the lies and acrimony against him?
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Dan Atatakai
Alicia - do you not remember the pre-election speeches Mr. 45 made? Let me quote you a few of the lines he used, and please explain how I do not understand what he said.
“I’d like to punch him in the face”
Trump said this in front of a crowd of supporters, after a protester was removed from one of his rallies in Las Vegas on 23 February 2016.
“Part of the problem is no one wants to hurt each other anymore”
Trump said something very close to this at a tense rally in St. Louis, Missouri in March 2016. Protesters repeatedly disrupted the then-candidate’s stump speech, prompting Trump to call for their removal on several occasions, in no uncertain terms, urging “Get ’em out of here.”
“Part of the problem is no one wants to hurt each other anymore”
Trump said something very close to this at a tense rally in St. Louis, Missouri in March 2016. Protesters repeatedly disrupted the then-candidate’s stump speech, prompting Trump to call for their removal on several occasions, in no uncertain terms, urging “Get ’em out of here.”
“The audience hit back. That’s what we need a little bit more of”
Trump said this at a press conference in Palm Beach, Florida on 11 March 2016. He was referring to the Las Vegas incident weeks earlier, after which he mused that he would like to have punched a protester in the face.
“If you do (hurt him), I’ll defend you in court, don’t worry about it”
Trump said this during another rally in March 2016, this time at Macomb County Community College in Warren, Michigan. The familiar pattern was on display — a small group of protesters outstays their welcome and are forcibly removed from the venue, and Trump encourages violence among his followers.
“I’ll beat the crap out of you”
At a rally in Kansas City, Missouri on 12 March 2016, Trump riffed on an incident earlier in the day in Dayton, Ohio, when a protester attempted to storm the stage he was on, before being dragged away by Secret Service agents.
“Knock the crap out of him, would you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees”
Trump said this at a rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa in February 2016, although the quotation is truncated. A week earlier, in Iowa City, a protester threw a tomato at the candidate as he was delivering his stump speech.
Look at this video, starting at about 47:00 - www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2832&v=k-Y2x5Xxj9Q
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John Owens
Not ONE word of that was racist, Dan, which is what people are accusing.
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John Owens
Can you furnish us a direct quote from our president invoking hate and violence in the name of Jesus?
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Gabe
love how you moved the goal post, Owens. You were shown to be wrong, that indeed Trump does encourage hate and violence, and so suddenly and without justification you completely change the challenge to show him explicitly evoking jesus's name when he does it. That's called creating a straw man argument. It's when a disgusting person can't justify his view, is easily vulnerable to counter arguments, and then deliberately mischaracterizes the aim of his opponent in order to make his own argument look like less of a complete intellectual failure that it actually is. It's used by cowards who are dishonest.
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John Owens
No, Gabe, you dimwit. Read this; from above, to which I was responding:
Rev. THEO KLEBES
July 23, 2018 at 4:57 pm
"My Christian teaching does not allow me to hate. I will say I cannot understand why so many, including our current president, invokes so much hate and violence and does it in the name of Jesus. It almost makes me, as a Christian, feel like the enemy and I am not!"
Did he or did he not say that our president invokes hate and violence in the name of Jesus?
If you would read before smarting off, you might be less of a jackass. I was not shown to be wrong, and Trump does not encourage hate and violence. I did not change the challenge. Rev THEO put his crap out and I called him on it. YOU are the straw man, you are disgusting, you are a dimwit and cannot justify your views without coming across as an idiot because of your intellectual failure and mischaracterization. YOU are a dishonest coward.
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John Owens
No retraction? No apology? No mea culpa? Jerk!
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Chad V. Westfall
If that is your standard for Trump, why do Muslims have to prove that violence and terrorism are NOT permitted by the Qur'an?
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John Owens
Rushdi, read my response to the pin-head Gabe above. Muslims don't to prove anything, apparently. They can have sex with children and mutilate their daughters and kill their daughter for any reason they want and live like savages and marry their close cousins and buy and sell humans and go to other countries and live on their welfare and then riot when they are not happy, and cry discrimination if you don't like it. I didn't ask Muslims to prove anything.
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biblical scholar
I'm going to ask you a genuine question. Have you ever met a Muslim?
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John Owens
Why, yes I have, Ramona. Many, in fact. Now what?
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biblical scholar
I'm sorry John, I refuse to believe your absurd claim that you, an avowed racist, has met a Muslim without proof, friendo.
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John Owens
I have never claimed to be a racist, nor made ONE racist remark, because unlike you, I am not a liar.
There were many muslims at the college I attended, and some were my classmates and friends. The ones I knew best were a young woman from Morocco and another who was Palestinian from Gaza. When I was gone for Succot, the Palestinian loaned me her notes from my days absent. There were many others there, from Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, with whom I chatted sometimes, but I will not say they were my friends-- just acquaintances.
I had some Egyptian friends in New Jersey, too, who taught me a few expressions in their dialect.
Also, in Guang Zhou, China, I met some muslim men who were buying large quantities of cell-phones. They stayed at the same hotel as my Chinese wife and I. We would drink coffee together and eat sweet rolls, and chat.It is very evil of you to refer to me as a racist. That is worse than a racial slur, and every bit as bigoted and ignorant, and since you are totally lying, it unmasks your evil.
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biblical scholar
"My Chinese wife" Ah, the "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" of the old white male ? ? ?
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John Owens
You are the racist, looking for racism. I said, my Chinese wife, because, THAT IS THE REASON I WAS IN CHINA, with HER. Moron.
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John Owens
Oh, and I don't have to say I have black friends, you dimwit. I have black family. Not just in my MC, but family-- close kin. The world is a lot more nuanced than you can possibly realize, because you are bigoted and do not even realize THAT. I am sure if you ACTUALLY were not bigoted, you would know more people of other ethnicities. An old acquaintance of mine from Argentina told me I have an international personality. She would know better than you.
Just curious, how many languages do you speak? And, I don't mean like totally fluent, as in dreaming and writing books and songs, just small-talk-- Hello, nice to meet you, Where shall we go for dinner? Things like that.
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biblical scholar
Wow Johnny, unverifiable anecdotal evidence of someone once saying something about you. So far you're not really proving you don't hate POC. But keep trying!
As for languages, I am fluent in English and Spanish and have a passing knowledge of French, Italian, Esperanto and ASL, and have dabbled in Swahili.
That said, I don't need to speak German to recognize a Nazi when I see one.
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John Owens
I am fluent in the same, can speak central Mexican dialect, Puerto Rican dialect, and Cuban dialect. My Mandarin is not nearly as strong, but enough to make friends and order food in Mandarin. Your HUGE mistake, Moaner, is trying to remake me in an image that you have created in your mind. I don't have to prove SHIT to you, but you have no right, moral or otherwise to call me a liar or insinuate that I MIGHT be, UNLESS you catch me in a lie, which you have not.
Disagreeing with socialist theology does not mean anyone is racist or bigoted. It only means they have known people who left socialist countries and know why they left. If a socialist is white or black, it makes no difference at all to me. They are an enemy of humanity because they are socialist. I don't care if you hate me, but stop being a moron and hating me for things I am not. In other words, if I deserve your hate, ridicule, or criticism, you shouldn't have to INVENT things about me. If you have to make up shit, then I don't deserve it and you make yourself into a lying hypocrite.
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John Owens
Oh, and Moaner, you MUST not know a Nazi when you see one. You are on the Nazi side of everything. The Nazis were socialists. My kinfolk of different colors, and my biker tribe of all colors, know me. You are living in darkness.
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John Owens
Moaner, I am sorry your upbringing was not a happy one, and I'm also sorry it instilled no values in you. The fact that you can just make up a total lie about someone, and then continue to embellish on your own lie about them, is appalling, and speaks volumes about what abysmal parenting you received. I hope you will repent at some point.
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Chad V. Westfall
Are you hitting on Dr. Ramona, bud? Cuz imma hit that first and show her what a TRUE patriot can do. REMEMBER THAT
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Bill
May as well blame him for this as well. He gets blamed for everything and anything that people suddenly don't like. Let the man do his job and stop berating him and his family. One President actually had a law passed that you were not allowed to talk about his family. Also all records of when he was in officer are sealed so how do we not know that he could be responsible for this problem as well.
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Pastor Xal
Please provide enough FACTS so those of us who check biased statements before repeating them can do some research.
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James Mounts
If President Trump is responsible for a little payback for "Death to America" then we owe him thanks.
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REV. THEO KLEBES Interfaith Chaplin
Then who was responsible for the Crusades hundreds of years ago?
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Carrie
The Christian church used the crusades as propaganda to rid Europe of "knights" and "petty lords" who insisted on fighting one another. It was all about a massive land grab and theft of riches on a grand scale. The Teuton knights killed Jews protected by their own king on the way to the war, as well as killing, cooking and eating women and children! These descendants of the Vikings were still so violent that they were told "If you are not a Christian, you have no soul. If you have no soul, you are an animal." It was said that the streets of Jerusalem ran red with blood. The "knights" ransacked the city and killed anyone they could, Christian, Jew or Muslim. It had been a peaceful place of pilgrimage for hundreds of years before that! Even today, the keys of the "Holy Seplucher" are guarded by a Muslim family! When the Muslims retook the city they killed very few and charged a token ransom for those who wished to leave. There were a total of 14 crusades, the last few were in Europe against "heretical" Christians. So they were even killing their own! In the end, propaganda has declared that Islam is bad, and suckers the world over (both in the faith and out) have subscribed to it. They are no more evil than anyone else, and deserve to pray as they wish. Those who "hate" them today are slobs who are looking to blame their troubles on someone else and the garbage mouthed ass in the white house plays to them.
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Lori
You go, Carrie!
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REV. THEO KLEBES Interfaith Chaplin
Thank you Carrie and blessings upon you.
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John Owens
That WAS a terrible time to be in Europe or the Middle East, but your take on things is about as biased and one-sided as a klansman's.
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Pastor Xal
Pope Urban II, of the Latin Church (Roman Catholic) launched the first Crusade in 1096.
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Melandria
This article lost credibility in the second paragraph. Based on the title of their paper it’s pretty clear there was some major bias in the ‘research’.
Of course I’ve come to expect the hysterics from this site. There’s ZERO objectivity...
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Pastor Xal
So Melandria, please offer so objectivity rather than criticism. If there's any doubt that the current Administration is promoting racism, hate & discontent do some research. Have a look at Flipboard's feed called "Raw Story" http://flip.it/JBtSNO This is a collection of recent racist events from all over the world.
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John Owens
There is PLENTY of doubt, Xai. First, show ONE thing he has said that promotes hate. Just ONE. A direct quote, with the sources. Just because a lot of leftists SAY he is promoting hate, doesn't make it true. DEMOCRATS are promoting hate. That is why they constantly accuse Trump of doing it.
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Pastor Xal
Just one? Do you read/listen to his Tweets on Twitter? Have you paid attention when he obstructs journalists from White House Press Conferences? He's pandering to Religious zealots who want U.S. to be a "Christian Nation". Turn off Fox Media Circus & enjoy some news from uncensored countries.
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John Owens
So you cannot post one? That's what I thought. You big zero. Most of you say something about Fox, because you are brainwashed. I don't watch network TV.
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Carl Elfstrom
Maybe Trump started the crusades in a previous life.
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Lori
Ahhhhh... now there's a possibility.
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caz
Even the crusaders wouldn't give credibility to a person who gets around wearing a dead rat on his head
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Carl Elfstrom
One thing is for certain. Trump won't be in office forever. And after he's gone most of the support for his radical tweets will go with him. Attention will turn to whoever is then in the spotlight. And how much worse could that be? Then again, I said the same thing about President Bush's idiot son. At least we don't have to worry about his next plunder anymore. And so it will be with the current buffoon.
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Alicia
So many are talking about the Trump invoking hate and violence, but I see no mention of Maxine Waters, who screams hate every day! She's the one who calls for her followers to stalk, harass and refuse to allow Trump supporters entrance to their businesses. But, I guess that's not hate....
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torro
I SEE THAT QUITE A LARGE AMOUNT OF IDIOTS THINK THAT TRUMP IS A GOD, WAKE UP FOOLS THIS IS THE ANTI-CHRIST, HE WILL INCITE EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO CONTROL THE WORLD, REMEMBER 'DONALD DUCK' WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
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Lori
What???????
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Lester Meredith
The anti-christ will arise from an eastern nation, one that sprang from the Roman kingdom. So, President Trump is not the anti-christ. I have not heard one person ever say that Trump is god. It seems that you are speaking out of emotions not fact. Step back, take a deep breath and relax. I assume that you are a minister. Let the Word of God - Bible, give you wisdom. it's OK brother.
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Rev. Brien
Really? Really? If you are among those youngsters that are pre-programmed via tweets, please tap the clear button. As for the rest that are older and wiser, please find a millennial and give them a head slap. This might reset their common sense. Please stop placing blame on Trump for all the crazy, stupid, evil. It started long before he came along.
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John Owens
Thank you, Brien. They didn't blame it on the former president when bad things happened, but they blame this one.
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Stephanie Willey
I agree with you Brien. The hate, white supremacy, and fascism have always been here in the US. But it has been kept at bay, and it was out of sight of much of main stream America. What Trump has been is just the catalyst that has brought this minority of hateful radicals boiling to the surface. Trump invited these people out of the shadows where they've always been and out into the streets.
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Lori
Is that suppose to be a good thing? Do you really want hateful radicals coming out of the shadows lighting up the minds of young people who are teetering on the fence of reason. Kids are impressed by the strangest things and will latch onto anything that excites them. The hatemongers will always exist, but they should definitely be swept under a rug with the rest of the insects.
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Stephanie Willey
I'm simply stating the current state of affairs. It's going to require a lot of effort by fair minded people and politicians to push the haters back into their closets. It's going to take a concerted social effort to convince the haters that their bigotry and fascism is unacceptable. I'm not completely convinced that America is up to the challenge. Time will tell.
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John Owens
Both of you are twisting the facts to the point of insanity. There has been a WHOLE lot more hate surfacing from Muslims, Antifa, BLM, and the rest of the Left than from the right. Yes, there are a lot of hateful radical, but they are leftist.
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Lori
I think the KKK is pretty rightest, aren't they? No hate there!
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John Owens
How many Klansmen you ever seen, Lori? How many crimes have you heard of them committing in the last 50 years? Go ahead. I'll wait.
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biblical scholar
Remember the 'Unite the Right' rally?
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Gregory Bethune
They marched in Waco tx a few years back, and they were pretty negative about all the things I believe in.
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John Owens
I see TWO references here. ANTIFA did more than that this year alone.
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Lori
John, I saw quite a few of them in Wallingford CT in the 80's. And you're probably right that their harmful activity against blacks and Jews has not been as visually present as in the passed for the simple fact that they can no longer get away with it, as they did in the good ol days. They've had to evolve to survive, but they're still out there and still stand for the same things, and they still call themselves Christian.
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preacher richard h.
Yes America didn't Need Pres. Trump to be weary of Muslims we just Watch n Learn , Muslims have been attacking Christian Nations long before TRUMP Made us SAFER with the TRAVEL BAN. that's not HATE that is sensible policy
FUNNY you never hear Muslims Condemn Muslim ATTACKS against Christians WHHAAAAT?
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John Owens
Wait, Lori. The 1980s? the 1980s? So what has that to do with NOW? I've never seen ANY Klan activity, and I'm 61.
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Lester Meredith
I try to keep up with current and past events. Terrorist activity in England, Sweden, Germany, and many other countries have been perpetrated by Muslim groups holding up the Qur'an for decades. Suicide bombings with the hope of receiving their 77 virgins. What does that say about what they think of women. To somehow blame President Trump and Americans in general for what has been happening outside of the U.S. just doesn't make since. These people who blow up others to advance their religion are accountable for their own actions. I have spent time in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar. I know first hand of their hatred of Israel.
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Gregory Bethune
He promised he would show his taxes and still has not.
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John Owens
Nobody cares.
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John Owens
The president's tweets don't create anti-islam feelings or actions. The Islamists are providing that with their own behavior-- female genital mutilation, honor killings, falsely accusing others of racism or anti-Islamic bigotry, terrorism, bilking government benefits, etc. A non-Islamic or pluralistic people would have to be insane NOT to have anti-Islamic tendencies.
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Pastor Xal
Mr. Trump is very obviously pandering to his Right Wing Christian supporters. Both State and Legislative branches have "elected" officials who are proposing and passing bills of law that promote Christianity and discriminate most other religions. Remember fellow Pastors/Ministers and purveyors of faith, the United States of America was founded upon the principles of Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech. Even though the current President chooses to bypass the Constitution's Foundation of Checks & Balances with Executive Orders and referred to Africa as a country rather than a Continent, All Americans have a duty to their country to not support Anti-American actions.
Because 911 terrorists were Muslim does NOT mean All Muslims are terrorists, nor does it indicate Muslims should be treated differently or thought of as less than.
If that illogical and baseless group-think prevailed, what would the future of Christianity be if one considers Timothy McVeigh (1995) a white Christian, Terry Nichols (1995) a white Christian or Ted Kaczynski (1978-1996) a white Christian?
The USA is NOT a Nation of Christians or should there be a "National Religion". There is 1 god of unity and balance under which all religions operate.
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Carl Elfstrom
That is only true of monotheistic religions. Thank god and goddess for polytheistic religions in the United States too.
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Lori
Blessed be!
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VCDee
Islam does not believe in the one God. They have a false man made god called Allah. Anyone wishing to leave this archaic belief system will be killed. The difference between Christianity and Islam is quite simple. Christianity: Come to Christ of your own free will. Love your enemies. Islam: Convert or die. Kill your enemies. I hope this helps you understand.
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I guess I am insane........ in your eyes!
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Tolerance Now
After looking at all the data, I have found a massive correlation between increased broccoli sales and the rise of hate crime against Muslims. Is there a link?
Statistics will always prove the desired outcome of the person using using them.
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Bill
Wow! Look at all this hate the ULC brings up! Looks like this is a Muslim organization! Seen several articles bashing Christians and Jews! Thought this was none bias but NOPE! Bashing conservatives too! Bye! Much better places to be ordained with like Open Ministry!
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VCDee
Yep. You hit that nail on the head. This is a leftist liberal hate group. Nothing Christian about it.
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Lawrence Rupp
Of real interest is how US religious groups are reacting to much repeated Islamic slogans such as “Islam is a Religion of Peace”. Is it understood that “Peace” in Islam has a totally different meaning than the word has as we commonly use it in a pluralistic Western Democracy? In Islam “Peace” refers to a condition in which ALL people of the world are either converted to Islam, or live under Islamic political domination and control. Until then JIHAD must continue until “Peace” is accomplished.
Many terms/concepts in Islam are far different from our common understanding.
http://www.cairco.org/issues/islam-terrorism-isis
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This book is made to be simple hence the name and mainly discusses in what ways it affects Non Muslims and why we should care about the religion. A Simple Koran Free PDF https://www.politicalislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/PDF-Look-Inside/A_Simple_Koran_look_inside.pdf
The Koran In about the time it takes to watch a professional sports event, you can comprehend the Koran. Since the Koran is famously known to be unreadable, how can this be? The Koran found in the bookstore is not the historical Koran of Mohammed. The original Koran was a story that unfolded as Mohammed’s life situations changed. The bookstore Koran is arranged by length of chapter, not time. The bookstore Koran has no time, no Mohammed and no story. Therefore, it makes no sense. Using statistical methods to select the verses, A Two-Hour Koran has woven Mohammed’s life back into the Koran itself. Now the verses have context and meaning. Everything is in the right order and the original story has been restored. Once you have read A Two-Hour Koran, you can pick up a bookstore Koran and understand what you are reading.
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VCDee
Christianity: Come to Christ of your own free will. Love your enemy. Islam: Convert or die. Kill you enemy.
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John Bryant
Exactly which lines in the Quran say that and are there any that counter it in the Quran? I know there are lines calling for death and condemnation in Christianity. Do you know them Veronica? Cause you better follow them. Or god might not let you into his afterlife country club.
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John Owens
There are no lines calling for humans to condemn or kill in any scriptures that are called Christian.
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Dan Atatakai
John - Are you so certain? What about Deuteronomy about how to handle apostates?
“If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you."
Exodus Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12
To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15
Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13
It's okay to beat your slaves; even if they die you won't be punished, just as long as they survive a day or two after the beating (see verses 21:20-21). But avoid excessive damage to their eyes or teeth. Otherwise you may have to set them free. 21:26-27
Again, these are just in Exodus. There are many more citations which show that violence IS promoted (in addition to slavery and other heinous crimes) in the Bible.
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John Owens
Deuteronomy is not a "Christian" scripture. Deuteronomy is Torah, which would be considered (wrongly) Jewish scripture. Next?
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Gregory Bethune
You have said that repeatedly, new argument please
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Joseph Nichols
Wow! It saddens me to see so many ministers bashing President Trump. He has done nothing more than try his best to ensure the safety of US citizens by being cautious in our behalf. He is not the cause of hate toward Muslims. The knowledge of the atrocities committed by them in Sweden, Germany, France, Italy and many other nations have finally reached America. It is all over the news. How could any one miss it. To lay that at the feet of our president is a sad attempt to play politics on what should be an uplifting spiritual web space. Once again...the destroyer laughs with glee. My love to each of you.
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VCDee
Amen to that! All of the symbols of Islam are now removed from the White House. Our gorgeous, graceful First Lady did a spectacular job of decorating for Christmas. Was so beautiful to see...not to mention very healing.
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Dan Atatakai
Veronica - What symbols of Islam were ever IN the White House? Are you thinking that maybe Mr. Obama, a devout Christian, was Muslim, as his antagonists would claim?
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Dan Atatakai
Joseph - How is hating Muslims, as Mr. 45 does as shown by his many discriminations he has imposed upon them, be peaceful? While he may not be the "cause of hate" toward Muslims, he sure promotes it well. Muslims are NOT the ones causing acts of terrorism, as the Qur'an condemns terrorism.
The permission given in Quran 22:40-41 to fight in self-defense was not only granted to defend Muslims from persecution, but to defend Christians, Jews and people of all faiths from acts of terror like those committed by Isis today. Only two groups in our society promote the “Quran teaches terrorism” myth: anti-Muslim pundits and Isis extremists. Both are wrong.
The Quran requires that you read it in full. No “cafeteria Quran” here. As Quran 3:8 says, “We believe in it, the whole is from our Lord.” Isis and Islamophobes instead cherry pick. Quran 3:8 pre-emptively calls out people who cherry pick as “perverse” people, declaring, “…those in whose hearts is perversity seek discord and wrong interpretation of [the Quran].”
Quran 2:193-194 declares that Muslims may only fight active combatants. Meaning, even if during battle an enemy combatant asks for amnesty, you must grant it. In Islam, there’s no such thing as “collateral damage,” mutilation, or torture. All this notwithstanding, fact three issues the death blow to Daesh and Islamophobe ideology.
It must be taken into consideration that in the Holy Quran murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted.
“… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind .”[ Al-Ma'idah 32]
Terrorism cannot be of a religious motive because in the Islamic law it is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on others coercing people into adopting any religion. The Qur’an says:
“There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” [Al-Baqarah 256] Islamic law also forbids aggressive warfare. The Quran says:
“But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For, he is the one who hears and knows all things.” [Al-Anfal 61]
I suggest actually learning what the Qur'an says, as well as what your Bible states about violence. I think you might be a bit surprised.
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Kevin Gray
Stop blaming Trump for individuals acting out on there own. It's like blaiming the gun for an individual shooting someone, blaiming the car for an accident. People, get ahold of yourselves. Be accountable for yourself. Stop pointing fingers, the only thing we can hope for is to stop the hate. Love and let live. But instead of blaimin get Trump, look in the mirror and stop perpetuating.
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Ruth Williams
We need to control our fears. Look at them right in the eye in the mirror and ask ourselves. "Where is this coming from?" The illogical will only be so if we feed it. The hate will only be so if we feed it. The actionable is to raise people up with kindness and create compassion - that will build us and prevent us from becoming further polarized and divided. This is where it begins.
We are not a safe nation with the current lobby interests and the power of the NRA. We are not a safe nation if you can't visit the local store without being verbally attacked for the color of your skin or the clothes you wear or worse. We are not a safe nation with a bully at the helm and his role modeling these monstrous behaviors.
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JEFF L BROWN
NO Its ludicrous to think that Trump is to blame for anti Islam issues in this country! We just so happen to have a lot of terrorist attacks in European nations between 2014 to 2016. And just like when 9/11 happened, we rise up and take care of it. The Quran is a terrifying book for non believers. I don't speak arabic so i've had the entire book translated to me. Its the most damning religious book i've EVER heard. Of course that's just for non believers.
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Dan Atatakai
Jeffrey - If you do not understand the context, terminology and historicity, let alone culture, you just might assume it is terrible as well as terrifying book. If you were to ask someone who has spent years learning, even academically, about Islam, you would find that you have been wrong in your assumptions about Islam.
To make these assumptions is much like those who assume that Buddhists worship a bald, fat statue. It is inaccurate and can cause great division out of ignorance.
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Lester Meredith
And I quote from the Qur'an - We will kill your men and your women will bear our children. The Islam religion is to subjugate and kill ALL that oppose the Islam beliefs. The highest targets are the Jews and then the Christians. Don't want to offend anyone. But to say that Islam is about peace is only true to those who are Islam. Look it up for yourself. You can read the Qur'an in english. Are you going to somehow blame the 'twin towers' on President Trump.
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John Owens
If they can find a way to blame Trump or Christianity or the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY for the twin towers, they will. They live in a dark little imaginary troll world anyway. Why do you think Walking Dead and Lord of the Rings and stuff like that is so popular with them?
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Gregory Bethune
Ha ha, do you really believe that
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John Owens
You're a prime example.
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VCDee
So many are uneducated in regard to Islam. Two superior books are A GOD WHO HATES and THE PEOPLE VS MUHAMMAD. Both written by Muslims btw. EDUCATE YOURSELVES. At that point, we can have meaningful conversations in regard to this issue. You may also be interested in the video: How our Framers would stop the islamic takeover of our Country and how our Constitution helps us. This is available on Vimeo. Our Constitution does not support Islam. I am fine with any civil faiths. But those who believe in FSM, believe pedophilia is acceptable, have no regard for women's rights and worship a false, fictitious God are not going to assimilate well in a country based Judaeo / Christian structures. Simple as that. And before anyone calls me 'racist' please remember that Islam is not a race. It is a man made archaic belief system.
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Jeff
The sad reality is that many Americans harbored feelings of fear and anger at Muslims in general. They watched hundreds killed on 911 and have witnessed thousands more killed around the world and in the United States since without the Islamic community standing up against the terrorists. After an attack the news reports that they were influenced by an Imam or other leader in a Mosque in the United States yet not one member of the Mosque spoke out to stop it or criticized it. All the while the Muslim community world wide has supported Sharia and the aggressive campaign to have it rule world wide, a recent survey of Muslims worldwide showed that almost 70% of Muslims supported violent terrorist activities to implement Sharia Law. With that in mind...the past administration went as far as not calling terrorism what it is, terrorism, it refused to identify many terrorists as Muslim for fear of alienating the community. Trump has not been so lenient, he says what he thinks. This has emboldened some of those Americans to step up and take action, good or bad. I think the Islamic community itself can help curb the hate crimes if they spoke out against the terrorists and replaced the hate mongering Imams of the Mosques with leaders working for peace. We can live together and in peace but you cant support hate and expect the other side not to recognize it.
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john shephard
This study found what it wanted to find and can probably be easily debunked if replicated by someone without a typical hateful Left-wing bias. We are all observing how left-wing leaning folks are the most hateful of all groups. Maxine Waters hate-filled pronouncements are a good example of their customary fare. The only hateful public figure that exceeds her is Mohammed, who murdered people. He must have been a liberal. Of course, as everyone knows - oh wait for some reason the left-wing news media didn't ever report it - Obama killed many innocent people with his eight years of indiscriminate drone attacks. Thank goodness he didn't write any tweets about it. Someone might gotten upset and sprayed graffiti;
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Robin Call
It is easier to blame someone else for their hatred instead of looking at themselves and taking responsibility for themselves, their actions, the state of their own lives. I don't understand all this discrimination, fascism, and hatred. Don't like someone because you don't like them as a person or they did a wrong toward you personally. Life is too short for all this other non sense...This judging of masses of people and not knowing them is just nonsense, a person could miss out on a wonderful opportunity because of ignorance on their part...get to know a person before judging them.
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Tabitha Lockamy
Hold up, Did I just get politics sent to me in an email? From Universal Life Church? Bad form. Ill post this. I voted for Trump, I can not believe that I got this email. I'm an outraged and also this will be my last time here. So post away , help the media spread hate on Trump and the rest of the world. Comment on this post, I could care less. I will never spend another penny on to this site. So sad , ULC Was bought out and sent out political emails. With false information at that again Bad Form.
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Minister Jim
I think the acts of the extreem Muslim terrorists cause the hate against Islam. The San Berdino shooting, the Boston bombing, the Ohio State Sirian refugee who ran down Americans with a car and the hundreds or thousands of other attacks around the world. Second is the actions of the muslims who riot and protest and demand cultures to change to appease them and their religion. Third the stories about crimes and scams these foreigners commit. The stories of them taking advantage of goverment programs such as wellfare, food stamps (or what ever cute name it has now), and medical programs. Look at another group who came to America in large numbers, the Vietnamese. After the war in the 70s, they mostly worked hard, unlike many of the stories about muslims, they never as a group demanded anything, and now the Vietnamese Americans are accepted in our society as Americans.
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Dan Atatakai
Jim - While it is true that more Americans are accepting Vietnamese now, back in the 1970s, they were seen in the 1970s in the identical way that refugees from Syria are seen today. The argument has not changed. Only the name of the group has changed.
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Chad V. Westfall
Them Viets fought their war before they came here (sure they lost in the end, but they fought to the end), and I don't remember them making any cultural demands! They assimilated into the Great American Way! Why can't those damn Syrians go back and fight their war while they still have a chance to defend their homeland instead of giving up and fleeing to the rest of the world like cowards?!?
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CRAIG
The bottom line is that the president of the United States represents the citizens and is a role model for the rest of the country. Like it or not. And behaving the way he does on Twitter (and elsewhere) does not promote tolerance or understanding of other cultures. Whether the study has merit or not, the fact is he doesn't take action or speak toward getting along with anyone outside his cultural bubble.
And really, all his rhetoric shows me is that he bases his opinions of other cultures off of stereotypes and popular media.
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Bill Fox
It's not like Christians are suffering discrimination.
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Carl Franklin
For what it's worth, I've taught graduate students in advanced statistics courses for more than 20 years. So I am very knowledgeable about research methods, and especially quantitative analysis. I've also read the original report by the research team. It might be worth noting that the team itself does not find a strong causation link. It seems, based on the title of this article and several of the statements contained in the body, that there is a push to find a strong causal connection. The numbers simply do not bear that proposition out. Since correlation examines the association between variables, with the product being the way they "covary," there needs to be an important understanding that correlation does not equal causation. More precisely, the analytical methods used -- such as ANOVA and what appears to be nonparametric statistics -- do not provide us with a strong enough correlation to support the hypothesis or relationship probabilities. It is important also to note that the researchers identified the correlation, and their primary publication was about the correlation, while at the same time recognizing that the testing for relationships was minimally applied. Within the academic community, the study has, of course, garnered some criticism, especially among those who find the focus on correlation without significant testing for causality to be a null issue when compared to the total question of causation. What I would like to see is the researches move to the next phases of their analysis. To satisfy my own curiosity, I obtained the dataset in question and did some basic calculations. My focus was on the use of regression -- univariate, bivariate, and multivariate – as a means of testing regression analysis against correlation analysis. Since the published study was more of correlation analysis, it did not provide us the necessary results to allow for a true test of causation. What this boils down to is the research itself was fine, but the reporting on the research has gone two-steps too far in making the connection for causation purposes. This article, along with others I’ve read considering this paper, has oversimplified and casually drawn conclusions that do not exist in the actual dataset. One of the beautiful things about the academic publication process is that we expect access to the datasets in question as a means of being able to retest the numbers. I've done that with this dataset and have taken it to the higher levels of analysis. My first steps were to examine the numbers while looking at both the correlation coefficient (r) and the coefficient of determination (r2). By testing with regression analysis, I was better able to statistically prove whether two or more interval or ratio-level variables are related and whether the change in one variable is related in any way to the movement in the other (bivariate) or more variables (multivariate regression analysis). The shape of the regression line is an indication of how much of the change is the dependent variable explains the independent variable. In this case, the question of how the Trump tweets impact anti-Muslim sentiment is best tested with regression analysis. The regression equation indicates how steep the line must be and whether it slopes to the right or left or is curvilinear. One who examines the findings (or better still, can obtain the original dataset with the instrument used for testing) will likely find that while there is a correlation, the curve the relationship line is not of the type and shape to allow us to draw conclusions that the independent variable (tweets) has a causal relationship with the dependent variable (sentiments). To close, let me simply say that the questions are good, the intent – if done for scientific or knowledge purposes – is also good. At the same time, with coverage like this, we are finding too many instances where causation decisions are being made without sufficient data to support them.
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Writehanded
Sez God, “ I command you to eat all the other species... or just kill them as needed. We shall eat only a few chosen foods. Poison the others. Flatten the hills. Damn the rivers. This I command unto you as I don’t have time to do it myself. Love only me and kill those that don’t believe. Invent idols called money. Put my name on it. Trust me. Make borders. Make walls. Make clocks. Make prisons. Make weapons, lots of them. I’d do it myself but I’m putting some new rings on Saturn. I (wink wink) made y’all in my image. Yeah, that’s right...that’s what I did. I’ll check back on you around the Apocalypse.”
“God and Man and Politics “
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Brad
I must say after reading many of these comments I feel sad. Religion is supposed to bring inner peace. But so many are using it for hate. And in looking at these comments it is disturbing
I know many man Muslims. And never once have I been threatened, felt scared or been told my religion issues wrong (I have been told by fellow Christians that my acceptance of some people as friends is wrong)
Acceptance and love. For who others are, not who we thing they should be.
If you were to look at only these comments you would believe that my religion, Christianity, os full of hate.
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Charles Jenkins
Are all Christians racists and bigots????
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John Owens
Only the "Christians" who are democrats.
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Carol W Waldenburg
LOL!!!
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Dan Velez
All humans are what they do. If you Love, you are a Lover. If you hate, you are a hater. Anyone can be a terroist irregarless of their ethnic or religious background. Actions speak for themselves. Fear is the enemy for fear is the liar. Terrosist win when we fear. Don’t fear but trust in Love because God is Love!
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John Owens
Trump's tweets happen to be occurring at the same time as the world is reacting to pro-Islamic extremism, but the two phenomena are basically unrelated. There are many other things that coincide with pro-Islamic extremism that are also unrelated. It shows a really desperate stretch to try and connect these two particular things. I noticed Toys-R-Us is closing down. That is coinciding with anti-Islamic sentiment AND the Trump presidency, but only a moron would say it has to do with either of those things. Just one example.
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Chad V. Westfall
Well, considering the fact that Obama LITERALLY created ISIS, the responsibility rests on his shoulders...noow that that devious little plan of his IS STARTING TO BACKFIRE THANKS TO TRUE AMERICAN HEROES WHO CAN SNIFF OUT THE ISLAMIC THREAT FFROM A MILE AWAT
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Norma Battes
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John Owens
As an aside, the graffiti on the building in the photo might well have been painted by a muslim, just to draw pity. They have been known to do that on more than one occasion, one being announced yesterday in Texas. Be that as it may, whoever did it, did not want the graffiti to clash with the color of the curtains and the color of the Arabic and English letters on the brick wall. Anyone else notice that? Also, they named a false god on the wall, and mis-spelled "worshipper".
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Chad V. Westfall
Maybe it was just some ignorant birther who can't form a coherent argument ???
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John Owens
I haven't seen any of those, Rushdi. I am the ONLY birther here of whom I know, and MY arguments are as succinct and coherent as any here.
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Chad V. Westfall
Is that why you have posted 48 out of the 213 comments on this blog? Ahh, brevity is the soul of wit. ?????
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John Owens
Just responding to the lunatics here, Rushdi. If three or four of you comment 12 or 15 times each, particularly to- or at me, then 43 is rather conservative. Furthermore, none of my comments are filibusters, either. I can't help it if you think counting comments is clever, or if you have nothing better to do. I'm sorry you are trapped in your chair.
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biblical scholar
Dat slow realization when you realize you've been proven wrong by facts so you start flailing your arms and screaming FALSE FLAG
http://mtv.tumblr.com/post/142926537018/chris-evans-laugh-boob-tap
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John Owens
I haven't been proven wrong. The perpetrator has not been caught to my knowledge. My observation about the green stands, though, AND my observation that muslims in the US HAVE wrought false-flag operations to garner sympathy.
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John Owens
But you have been proven a liar.
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Robert Messmer
I remember how time after time reported 'hate crimes against Muslims' turned out to be fake. Did the study take that into account? Probably not.
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Norma Battes
" Is President Trump partly responsible for recent spikes in anti-Muslim hate crimes? "
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mildred
HE DONE WANT US TO COME TOGETHER ,HE DONE WANT ANY PEACE HE WANT PEOPLE TO BOW DOWN TO HIM HE THANK HE IS UP ABOVE EVERY ONE AND HIS ADMINISTRATION IS NOT IN ORDER YET WHAT GOING ON?????????????????????????????
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Secretary3rd
Sharia Law was put down on paper to unite the tribes of what is now Saudi Arabia. To keep all tribes happy items that offend other religions are still allow. The problem with Islam is that no one can question outdated passages in the Quran. It is carve in stone and to question means death. Another problem is not all Muslims in the US like Muslims that are not of their country. These Muslims are from 80 different nations who might be equal in Mecca do not feel they are that way in the US. Like the Middle East Muslims have no problem in attacking each other Holy sites that war over there has not come to the US, so far. Think of yourself being a Muslim in Syria. Which side do you choose since all those fighting are Muslims. The hate among each tribe runs deep. They attack the US, Israel, each other as not being faithful to Islam and only one side will win this conflict. By the end of the day it does not matter what Trump says about a religion that in their holy book says it is right to kill all those who are not of the faith. Read Sharia Law if you see any part of it being wrong to your faith then your head shall part your body. Just saying.
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Stephanie Willey
Sharia law is the invention of Wahhabism, an ultra-conservative, radical adaptation of Islam that first appeared very early in the 20th century. Wahhabism is the practice of Islam that demands that the individual submit to their rules and their's alone. Saudi Arabia today practices strict Wahhabism. It is a perversion of the Islam of Mohammad and is the driving force that keeps the two main factions of Islam, Sunni and Shia basically at war with each other. Wahhabism is a perversion of Islam in the same way that radical evangelicalism is a perversion of Christianity. ALL of the radical Islamic cults, ISIS,
Al-Shabaab, Al Quada, and the Muslim Brotherhood are all direct offshoots of Wahhabism. Mohammad's original vision of Islam is as simple and beautiful an the simple lessons of love taught by Jesus. Throw away the Old Testament, the various phobia's of Paul, and the radical fatwa's of modern radical Islam and you may find that the two belief systems are much more alike than different.
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Dan Atatakai
Secretary - Sorry, but you are sadly mistaken about Islam. It is against the Qur'an to offend people of other religions. They are to be respected.
You claim that Muslims are ordered to kill anyone who is not Muslim. First. that is not true. Apparently, you do not understand the terminology of "kafir". I will explain in a moment.
What do you believe the Bible says about those who are apostates to Judaism or Christianity? It says to stone them to death. Is that "Christian" in nature?
Deuteronomy 13 6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not [d]consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you."
As for the term kafir, which some have translated incorrectly, it does NOT mean "unbeliever" as someone of another religion, but those who are invaders, who would rape, pillage and murder those in their homes or keep the Muslim from praying or attending the pilgrimage to Mecca. The reason the term "unbeliever" is used is because the thinking is that, what kind of a believer in the God of Abraham, or any other deity for that matter, would be so willing to kill people in their homes!
Regarding what side to fight in Syria: Remember that it is extremist vs. mainstream, tribe against tribe in those wartime acts of war. It has nothing to do with Islam.
About Sharia: Muslims live Sharia everyday when we pray, fast, earn honestly, offer charity, eat Halal, take care of our families and Masjids, as well as serve our communities. However, the term “Sharia” is fast becoming a term of hate at the hands of Islamophobes to attack Islam. This has dangerous, far-reaching consequences for American Muslims which have already begun.
The real life implications are many for Muslims. Banning Sharia will directly impact Muslim marriages, divorces, Islamic financing, and mediation. Banning Sharia is like banning Jewish Halakha practiced by many Jews in America. But very few people are articulating Muslim perspectives on Sharia.
Misunderstanding and misinformation about Sharia, as well as Islamophobia in general, is fueled not just by television. The internet has increased the power of hate and misunderstanding several thousand-fold. Google the word “Sharia” and you will find false, negative, and highly anti-Islamic material among the top search results.
Sharia in Islam is the Muslim's way of eating, praying, fasting, giving in charity, marriage, doing business, and more. Why would you be against the same issues that the Jews practice? Why would you be against Usury, for example?
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John Owens
Again, apparently some people who CALL themselves Muslim do not seem to be aware of all the things that you are saying. They enjoy raping and beheading and bombing and coming up with creative ways to kill people who have done nothing to them. That is just sad fact.
Aside from all of that, Sharia law is anti-feminist, anti-homosexual, and anti-religious freedom. It is incompatible with US law.
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Dan Atatakai
John Owens - You seem to imply that Muslims are murdering psychopaths. They aren't. They are even more dedicated to their faith of caring about one another than the same percentage of Christians.
Have you looked at Christianity? Talk about anti-feminist, anti-homosexual and anti-religious freedom. Would that not also be incompatible with US law?
By the way, WHICH laws would those be? Are you claiming that people should take their unruly children to the city elders and have them stoned to death? How about performing ANY work on the sabbath? Should they be stoned as well?
I still believe you have NEVER even actually read what Sharia is all about. Tell me, if you HAVE done so, about Usury and how that is any different than Jewish practices of Usury.
Remember, Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God of Abraham.
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John Owens
More deflecting, Dan.
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Dan Atatakai
John - No deflection at all. If you think it is, please give specific examples which would apply to both your posts and mine.
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John Owens
I said "some", and you imply that I implied "all". What's wrong with you?
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Dan Atatakai
John - Your posts have been against Islam and Muslims in general, instead of looking at the actual facts. If you had been honest about this, you would have mentioned that these radicalists who cause acts of terrorism are not even Muslim.
Nothing wrong with me. I speak facts on this subject of theological thought. What is wrong with you to be blind to the facts? Is it because you feel threatened by those facts?
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Iconoclast
This article was about graffiti painted on an Islamic gathering-place. At almost every mention of things Islam has done, you try to DEFLECT and shift to Christians, or KKK, or some other group. I think you are the one threatened by facts.
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Iconoclast
Correction: I should say, ...things people PROFESSING Islam have done...
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Dan Atatakai
Are you going to say that Muslims performed the graffiti "artwork"?
Why, John, do you think that Muslims are the perpetrators and not the victims?
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Iconoclast
Dan,
Because of their history of false flag publicity stunts.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/15/us/muslim-harassment-false-report/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/nyregion/manhattan-yasmin-seweid-false-hate-crime.html
https://www.news.com.au/national/muslim-woman-accused-of-making-false-police-statement-avoids-jail-over-identity-doubt/news-story/5b693561f28957a281b53049291e7932
https://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/11/11/muslim-student-charged-trump-hate-crime-hoax/
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/fatah-a-hijabi-hoax-that-fooled-canada
https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/04/washington-post-falls-for-anti-muslim-hate-crime-hoax/
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/04/why-the-punish-a-muslim-day-letter-is-almost-certainly-a-hoax
This was just done quickly on Bing. You can't do it on Google because Google's algorythms are set to steer away from them.
Dr. Moaner should see these.
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James
Anti Muslim started to taper upward B4 the 1993 WTC bombing. On 9-11-01. A serious up tick in Muslim fears egged even more chatter. There are copious things that fueled the anti-Muslim movement. To blame that on the current POTUS in the "here & now" ? Naaaa, Not to any noticeable extent as compared to the past 25 + years. Unfortunately the trend has continued due to a few bad apples on both sides of the fence. The cycle must be stopped or the POTUS in the year 2020 will get the blame.
Resist #ImpeachTrump #TaxReturns #Russia #KochBros overturn #CitizensUnited end #gerrymandering Save the #EPA Save the #ADA
Save America!!
Save humanitarian kindness. The politics of America at the moment, and throughout history, have proven war-mongering money interests with resources of another country and/or money that can be made during war efforts. It's all abuse and greed. islam is peaceful. Christianity is peaceful. The extremism in these ideologies is what is the discord. Throw money behind it and the message can be stamped on the vulnerable populations minds as actionable movements that harm targeted people. Dangerous.
Islam is not peaceful. Christianity: Come to Christ of your own free will. Love your enemies. Islam: Convert or die. Kill you enemies.
However, from your accurate statements, you will indeed like this video: https://youtu.be/5hfEBupAeo4 You are correct in that all wars are bankers wars.
You may also want to view this video found on Vimeo: How our Framers would stop the islamic takeover of our Country and how our Constitution helps us
Islam cannot and will never assimilate with our Constitutional / Judaeo-Christian foundations. We must keep them in our prayers that they repent from following a false man-made god and come to Christ----of their own free will.
Veronica - How do I put this politely? You are wrong with just about everything you seem to believe about Islam as well as Christianity.
First, the US and its Constitution are not based on a Judeo-Christian concept, but a secularist one.
Second, to claim that Islam has a "false man-made god", I would question your claims, given that Islam is one of the three major Abrahamic faiths, on par with Judaism and Christianity. All three worship the same God of Abraham.
Third, to claim that Christianity is peaceful, let me share what the bible says about loving anyone who decides to leave Christianity:
Let us look at Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."
About Islam saying to kill one's enemies:
Prohibition of Despoiling Abū Bakr aš-Šiddīq commanded the leader of the first Islamic military expedition after the Prophet saying: ...No fruit-bearing trees are to be cut down and no crops should be set on fire. No animal should be killed except those slaughtered for eating...Only those should be killed who take up arms against you.
Suicide Attacks One of Islam’s fundamental principles is the sanctity of life. Islam prohibits killing those who are not combatants, except those involved in a direct battle face-to-face between warriors. There is simply no room for maneuver in Islam to justify the killing of innocents, even as a form of mass retribution, which many radicals today use as justification for their large-scale attacks on civilians. For Islam prohibits blood feud and specifies retribution only towards the one who committed a crime.
In other words, one is allowed to attack those who attack you first, in self-defense ONLY, and having also met many conditions.
The "infidel" or "unbeliever" mentioned in the Qur'an are people who invaded people's lands and would rape, pillage and murder people in their homes. THEN it was allowed to go after the invader. It was NOT anyone who is not Muslim.
Please take a little bit of time out to learn about what you have not yet learned. It will benefit you well.
Good response
So, tell me, where does the Constitution mention, "Judaeo-Christian religious freedom"? This country was supposed to support religious freedom, not any specific religion. As usual, someone is putting their thoughts and religious views into what they think the founding fathers meant. Research deeply into all the founding fathers of this country. What you find will probably shake your little Judaeo-Christian attitude.
It is not fair to take one line from the bible and use it to paint the entire religion. I would suggest that it would be extremely easy to do the same for any religious belief.
To say Islam is hateful is simply wrong. Yes some are using snippets of the Koran to justify killing. But many Christians use snippets to justify violence, bigotry and and racism.
To believe that one way is the only way is inevitably going to lead to violence
Dan you can quote all the scripture you want Christians are not blowing up innocents,calling for the demise of Israel, teaching children songs of death to America beheading those who do not convert,disembowleing homosexuals.this is not to condemn all Muslims, if we are to be the leaders of peace and righteousness we also must confront evil , and there is a lot of evil . I find it very interesting the genicide of Coptic Christians in the Middle East doesn’t even get mentioned in the media not a peep hmmmm.
Nick - Are you saying that groups like the Ku Klux Klan are being "good boys and girls" and treating "people of color" in a fair and loving manner? Those who "blow up innocents, calling for the demise of Israel, teaching children songs of death to America, beheading those who do not convert, disemboweling homosexuals etc. is condemned in Islam. These people who promote and act on these actions are no more Muslims than your KKK buddies. Just because they CLAIM to be Muslims does not mean they are, just like KKK members are not Christian, even though they claim to be.
What evil are you talking about? Please give specific examples which relate to Islam.
Regarding the killing of Coptics not being mentioned in the news is what news does - airs what sells - not "fair and balanced" news reporting.
Veronica, did you forget about the crusades? Where it was believe in Christ and our ways or we kill you!??
You tend to lose any credibility when you use youtube toe support your argument.
Amazing that you can write things about the Muslim faith that are so untrue. Are you just writing what you have heard or have you done research? Musilims, Christians, and Jews have lived together in peace for centuries in many parts of the world. India is an example as is medieval Spain.
It is radical groups that came to these places and attacked the other groups, Christians in Spain and the Middle East (Crusades) among others and the Jews in Israel/Palestine. Muslims in Egypt are jailing people as non believers.
Each of these groups are radicals that are convincing others that they are the correct way and the path to heaven. All religions also attack other members of the same religion because they are a different sect.
Yes, hate crimes have and are rising and it is being caused by people in power.
How our Framers would stop the islamic takeover of our Country and how our Constitution helps us <on Vimeo
the very first thing done when new comers arrived in new world was to dedicate the country to the spread of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Pilgrims drafted the "Mayflower Compact." This historical document "emphasizes religious themes and political loyalties that are reflected in later charters and state constitutions." This governing document specifically stated that they came to the New World in the "name of God . . . . for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith." This Christian based document has been heralded as one of the most essential documents to the development of America. Frank R. Donovan states that this document became the "foundation stone of American liberty." The document became the governing document of the Pilgrims when they finally did arrive in Plymouth on December 22nd 1620. As Gary Demar mentioned "Plymouth was first a religious society, second, an economic enterprise, and last, a political commonwealth governed by biblical standards." you can also read whole article on the true history of
od and christain
http://www.essentialchristianity.com/pages.asp?pageid=21917 I did not get to complete my post . HISTORY OF GOD AND JESUS CHRIST GOSPEL.
God is not mentioned by name in the Declaration of Independence. The only inference of a deity mentioned is, "..... and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights ...". Even in that time the framers recognized and supported the reality that America was a land of many different religions, only one being Christianity. The United States of America was not formed as a Christian nation. It was formed with the ideals of a truly free nation. Maybe someday we might achieve that ideal.
President Trump represents the Christian value in America. Telling the truth will hurts because it's real. Even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! –Galatians 1:8
Islam is based on a false book. The Quran was written by Muhammad over a 20-year period. Not one single prophecy in the Quran has ever been fulfilled. Not one piece of archeological evidence can confirm anything in the Quran. It is a false book.
Michael - I am afraid you have been informed by nonsense rumours and bigotry.
When did Mr. 45 ever represent Christian values? Do you believe that women should be less than men in all situations? Do you believe they should remain silent and not ever teach men?
How do you figure that the Qur'an is a "false book"? No, Muhammad did not write the Qur'an. He was illiterate. Nice try, though. What prophecies are written in the Qur'an?
What archaeological evidence can confirm the Bible? There is no Global Flood of Noah, no evidence of the Garden of Eden, and not even any evidence of the "great Exodus from Egypt."
Michael - Methinks you need to take a simple adult ed class or read a university textbook which has been peer-reviewed by theologians to learn about what you are attempting to demean.
So YOU believe Arch Angel Gabriel Came to Muhamad in 610 AD an that GOD ALL of a SUDDEN CHANGED and forgot about His word The HOLY BIBLE that took 1500 years to Complete Also Angel Gabriel was THE Angel GOD SENT to The Virgin Mary an told her She would bare the SAVIOR Muhamad was a False prophet the BIBLE warned about many times over
Muslims have never stopped fighting the Jihad Christians STOPPED an Forgotten ,but The WAR still is REAL.
No, Richard, I do not believe anything about any of the three Abrahamic faiths, namely Judaism, Christianity or Islam.
May I suggest you learn the actual definition of terms like "Jihad" and not just assuming like the people on Fox News and other places do. To assume is dangerous as in more than 95% of the time, that assumptive answer is wrong.
Trump represents Christian values in America, can't dispute that. But Christian values in America are the opposite of what Christ taught, you only have to look at the sermon on the mount to realise that. I'm definitely NOT saying that all Christians in America are the opposite of Christ, just those in power. They are evil.
Have you actually read the Quran?, or just relied on what your pastor told you. Doubt whatever you hear, confirm it for yourself. I have no doubt that your reading will be biased because your mind has been poisoned by a biased teacher
pastor richard h.
No, I do not believe that ANY angel came to Muhammad and revealed the "truths" of Islam.
How do you figure "GOD ALL of a SUDDEN CHANGED and forgot about His word The HOLY BIBLE that took 1500 years to Complete"? Look at the difference between the Old and New Testament. If anything, THAT is God changing from "hairy thunderer" to "marshmallow deity."
You said, "Also Angel Gabriel was THE Angel GOD SENT to The Virgin Mary an told her She would bare the SAVIOR". Can Gabriel only appear to one person?
You said, "Muhamad was a False prophet the BIBLE warned about many times over". What qualifications do you think apply to Muhammad?
Regarding Jihad, do you even know the definitions of Jihad? Maybe you should learn.
The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving.
The arabic word for war is: "al-harb".
In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, "jihad" has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.
To make it simple, the major definition of Jihad means "inner struggle" which means the struggles we all go through in knowing what to do and what NOT to do in life. It is not just some war attitude.
The Old test. is Foundational while the New Testament builds on that foundation with further revelation from God. An Jesus And NO I Know God Didn't send an angel to contradict the Holy bible Because GOD is Divine an Righteous , He CANT LIE or Deceive. He is Unchanged .
The Quran is a nice tale but not from the One TRUE GOD .
As far as the INNER STRUGGLE that struggle is to wipe out Christians an the body of CHRIST as SAVIOR I'm Sure there are many Good Muslims but to Save their soul they need JESUS CHRIST. Not 72 Virgins
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pastor richard
Obviously, you have never attended seminary, let alone ever took any classes to learn about other religions, especially Islam. Your claims are completely inaccurate in nearly every case. Let me address a few of your errors:
How do you know God did NOT send an angel? What contradiction is there in the Bible which addresses this?
If God does not change, then why did "his" actions change so dramatically from Old Testament to the New?
How do you KNOW that the Qur'an is "not from the One TRUE GOD"?
About your inaccurate claim about eradicating Christians:
Quran also says that the followers of other religions are safe and no fear shall be upon them
“Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, who so believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”[ Al-Ma'idah 69]
The permission given in Quran 22:40-41 to fight was only given to “those against whom war is waged.” And fighting wasn’t just to defend Muslims from persecution – but to defend Christians, Jews, and people of all faiths. All subsequent verses addressing fighting are pre-conditioned on these clearly outlined rules of self-defense. Otherwise, it’s cherry picking, something the Quran forbids as perverse.
Qur’an 5.51 O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other.
This is a mistake because it had to do with accepting them, not as friends but as protectors. This was when the Christians and Jews were persecuting the Muslims. That being said, know that Muslims are commanded to respect Christians and Jews (and people of other religions as well) as Jews and Christians worship the same God of Abraham.
Qur’an 9.73 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them. On this one, same issue. The Qur'an is not condemning anyone who is not Muslim, but again, those who were well known for murdering people, even in their own homes!
WHERE in the Qur'an does it mention anything about receiving 72 virgins? (Hint: It doesn't. That was generated by some bigoted hate-mongers to cause division.)
Apparently, you are also unaware that Muslims DO accept Jesus as not only the greatest prophet of God but also as a savior.
I could go on and on about this topic for many days, as I used to do professionally, but I wonder if you are even going to read what I have posted. About now, you are probably assuming heavily that I am Muslim, right? If you would assume that, you are completely wrong. I am educated in the field of comparative world religions, but by no means of ANY of the three Abrahamic faiths, Judaism, Christianity or Islam. (Yes, Islam is an Abrahamic religion.)
I look forward to your response.
Till all are free, none are free.
There is only one God and his name is not Allah.
Yes, they do base some of their faith on the Old Testament, you are correct. What a shame they have grown so distant from many of their own doctrines that you have stated. They would do well to concentrate on the New Testament.
I do agree with another person who commented in here. Much of the issues of Muslim conflicts were created for the sake of more wars. You can't have a war without a boogie man. If there isn't a real one...create one. I don't for one single second believe Muslims did the twin towers incident. It was an inside job.
Dear Veronica, So what is God's name? In my belief, to name God is to limit God. There can be no limit on God, therefore, there is no name of God. He, She, It does not care what we use as a moniker. If one does the research, one finds that all the religions of the world are all based on the same thing (Love). To attempt to find differences is silly. We need to spend our time looking at the consistencies, not the differences.
Mr. Nagi....
EGADS.
Well said, Rev. Nagi. I totally agree with you. Why people would prefer division rather than to bring people together is a very sad thing. Acceptance and tolerance is what is needed, but so many cannot do this. Some folks will not bend for the sake of love.
Thank you. We are all the sons and daughters of the Devine principal. I have no religion because it is all dogma. Instead I have faith. Deeply rooted and full of love. Each of us have the right to our faith but none of us have the right to inflict that faith on anyone else. Bright Blessings.
Allah is the Arabic word for God. A Christian in an Arabic speaking country worships Allah as that is the word for God in their native language. Muslims are a part of our multi-ethnic culture in the United States. I am always amazed, appalled, dismayed that some Christians want to make Christianity our National Religion when it clearly states in the Constitution that this is not to happen. I invite you to study history and see what has been done in the name of Christianity.
Veronica - Please show how Islam has, as you call it, "grown so distant from many of their own doctrines"? What are some examples of that?
Again, I doubt seriously that you have taken ANY time to learn anything about Islam, given how you have claimed the "one God" to not have the name "Allah". Apparently, you have never looked at an Arabic language Bible, because in that form of Bible, the God of Abraham is called Allah, which means "The God". It is the same as what Christians and Jewish people worship.
How do you think that "9/11" was an "inside job"? Done by whom? (Side note: Muslims would not create/perform ANY act of terrorism, given that the Qur'an condemns terrorism.)
Reply for Dan ANDERSON Muhammad's first revelation was an event described in Islam as taking place in 610 AD, during which the Islamic prophet, Muhammad was visited by the Angel Jibril Gabriel, As far as Gabriel coming to the Virgin MARY Luke 1:26-38 New Life Version (NLV) Gabriel Speaks to Mary you ASKED
WHERE in the Qur’an does it mention anything about receiving 72 virgins?
In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (hour) refers to an aspect of Jannah . This concept is grounded in Qur'anic text which describe a sensual Paradise where believing men are rewarded by being wed to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts.
I say I don't KNOW for sure Go ask your Radical Islam This is what they Promise for suicide bombers. or ones that DIE a Marder Don't they Get the Highest REWARD an sent directly to your Allah? You asked
How do you KNOW that the Qur’an is “not from the One TRUE GOD”? Because GODS WORD is true an doesn't deceive GOD sent Gabriel to visit The VIRGIN MARY 610 years before Mohamed Claims he spoke to Him. GOD Already Gave his SON JESUS to save Mankind An GOD Is Incapable of SIN The CHURCH (JESUS CHRIST) was already Established and even told us of the Last days in REVOLATIONS GOD COULD NOT have SENT The SAME ANGEL to START a NEW RELIGION He Already HAS ONE An All threw out the Bible talks of Evil an False Prophets
First John 4:1 “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”
Jeremiah 23:16 “This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.”
You ask HOW I KNOW. Simple GOD an JESUS are INCAPABLE of LIES
So Muhamad is a False Prophet Common sense
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Apparently, you are also unaware that Muslims DO accept Jesus as not only the greatest prophet of God but also as a savior.
You are incorrect He is The SON of GOD , SAVIOR of MANKIND you say a savior . He is THE ONLY SAVIOR
An Jesus WARNED Christians about The Evil an False teachers an Prophets
Matthew 24:24 “For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.”
As for I, you will be considered a False teacher in need of Prayer n saving.
I will banter words with you GODS Truth will Prevail
I await your reply In Prayer
pasto richard -
I noticed that you did not give any citation for the passages in the Qur'an. How can you be so certain that the Qur'an does, in fact, promise 72 virgins?
Why should I ask radicalists who claim to be Muslim? (By the way, it is not "my radical islam" as I am not Muslim. For that matter, I am not of any of the three Abrahamic faiths, Judaism, Christianity or Islam.) Again, with this issue of radicalists, I have posted where the Qur'an has shown where suicide bombing or ANY form of terrorism is condemned, NOT condoned.
About deception, again, you have given no reference to show there is any conflict. What you talk about your "true religion" using your term "True God" is based PURELY on your personal faith-based beliefs. Given that it is all based on faith, how can you condemn one faith over another as there is nothing substantial or empirical about either one?
You keep bringing up false prophets, yet you have not shown how Muhammad has been shown to be a false prophet. Any examples at all? Remember, Islam states that Muhammad is the LAST prophet of God and not the ONLY one.
Because two groups have different perspectives of your Jesus, how can you demand that one is right and the other is wrong? My usual example of this in classes is to think about the Eiffel Tower in Paris, France. A honeymoon couple will see it and think that it is extremely romantic. A mechanical engineer will look at it, claiming it is quite a feat of engineering given the time of its building. A Parisian looks at it and thinks it should have been torn down decades ago and is an old "rust bucket". Who is the "one true right one"? Are they not all three right for their perceptions? The same applies to how you see Jesus. The Muslim sees Jesus as the Greatest Prophet of God and savior, you add one quality - "son of God". The Jews do not see Jesus as a "son of God" so how come you are not condemning Judaism?
See the difficulties here?
Who is the "false teacher" of which you mention? I do hope you do not mean me, given that I need no prayer. I have an upper education in the field. Have you?
I do not need salvation, either. Why would you think I do? Given you do not even know what my religions happen to be, how can you judge what I need and what I do not need?
I await your response.
Nobody say that God's name is Allah, Allah simply translates to The God. The same god the told Abraham to kill his son.
Thank you for proving that there is more then one God, because MY God would NEVER allow infants to be sodomized!
You do KNOW GOD Stopped Abraham from Sacrificing Isaac Do you know WHY GOD had commanded it?
The point was for Abraham to demonstrate that he trusted God completely and placed him above all else, even his own son.1 Though God of course already knew that Abraham had faith in him, it was necessary for Abraham to prove it through action. "His faith was made complete by what he did" (James 2:21-23)
That is Faith
Veronica -
Let's correct something right from the start. Allah is NOT a name. It is Arabic for the term "The God", which in Islam, happens to be the same God of Abraham as worshipped by Jews and Christians.
A beautiful Buddhist response!
I don't believe in any gods. But I do love the Buddhist idea and I think it explains why all the religions have it wrong. To name or describe god is to limit it. What did the Buddha say on god? To be silent. (I'm no expert but that is what I remember from my course on Indian Philosophy)
John - Close about what Siddhartha Gautama said about theistic beliefs and any deity. He remained silent on the subject because it was irrelevant as to what he was teaching, which, put very simply, was A way, not THE way, to alleviate self-created suffering.
Yes, Buddhists can believe in a deity. If they believe in Christianity, they are Christian Buddhists. There are also Jewish Buddhists and atheist Buddhists.
There are also many misunderstandings about Buddhism. Some will say that Buddhism says "all life is suffering." Not true. Siddhartha taught that "in life, there is suffering." There is also joy, confusion, sadness, glee, peace, etc.
The other point which is almost always misquoted is that "the cause of suffering is desire." Again, no. The cause of suffering is ATTACHMENT to desires.
Thank you, John, for bringing up the topic.
One question: How does Buddhism explain how all religions have it wrong? Remember, Buddhism, along with Taoism, Confucianism and other non-theistic religions are still religions.
From you statements here, we shall assume you are a Communist/Socialist.
Our Constitution does not permit belief systems such as Islam. Please refer to this Vimeo video in order to educate yourself: How our Framers would stop the islamic takeover of our Country and how our Constitution helps us I am not racist. So please do not accuse me of this. Islam is not a race. The difference between Christianity and Islam is quite simple. Christianity: Come to Christ of your own free will. Love your enemies Islam: Convert or die. Kill your enemies. No belief system that condones FSM, pedophilia, and has zero regard for women's rights has any place in the United States. It's a big world. They can thrive elsewhere. You might also enjoy A GOD WHO HATES by Wafa Sultan (Muslim woman) and THE PEOPLE VS MUHAMMAD by JK Sheindlin (Muslim man). These will help you understand this man-made belief system which follows a false god. I strongly urge you to educate yourself before you make any further posts.
So, Veronica, Christianity is not a man-made belief system? Who wrote the Bible? Who decided what was in the Bible? Did anyone who was responsible for the contents of the Bible even know Jesus personally?
Awsome response, Rev.Nagi. And why did King James feel the need to rewrite the Old Testiment?
King James had them written for the Church of England in response to the perceived problems with earlier versions as pushed by the Puritan faction of the Church of England. It was a response to the Geneva Bible of the Puritans. The scholars who worked on it didn't have the best access to the oldest texts. They also didn't read Greek very well. (Koine Greek, not classical Greek that the scholars were trained in). It may actually be one of the worst Biblical versions created.
He didn't exactly rewrite it. He commissioned priests to change a couple parts of it and to edit the rest to reflect those parts. They did a poor job of it too. It just added to the contradictions and misunderstandings.
He also wasn't the only one. He was just the most famous one. Constantine and... I think it was Alexander who also did a pretty good number on it.
Then you have several Councils that decided which books belongs and what didn't.
The constitution certainly does permit belief systems like Islam, your post are demonstrating your ignorance.
Jesus promoted social is beliefs. You might lie " No God but God" by Reza Azlan
Simply painting people with the Commie/Socialist boogey-man brush is meaningless. So all Communists and Socialists are evil? What do you know about them? I'm no fan of Communism, it's a nice idea, we all work together communally, but it ignores human nature. Socialism? The happiest, healthiest, highest standard of living in the world, FAR FAR surpassing the USA are in Socialist countries. You lack the education Ms. Deevers. How many Muslims do you know? I know many. Many work for me. Right here in America. I fear none of them. Indeed, I trust them more than I do some of my white "Christian" neighbors. They are the most genuine, generous caring people I know. They are EXACTLY the kind of people who should live here. Please review the history of the Old Testament and the New. You will find out one thing. They are man made too! Just as big a fraud as Islam. (if you believe Islam is a fraud, then Judaism and Christianity are just as big, maybe bigger)
Right on! Thank you.
Veronica - You couldn't be more wrong about everything you have stated.
a. The constitution says nothing about Islam one way or another.
b. Yes, you may not be a racist, however you are very bigoted religiously.
c. Your claim that Islam says "Convert or die" and "Kill your enemies" is inaccurate as well.
“ There is no compulsion in religion…” (Qur’an, 2:256)
“Had your Lord wanted, all the people on earth would have believed. So will you force people to believe?” (Qur’an, 10:99)
“He does not forbid you to deal kindly and justly with anyone who has not fought you for your faith and driven you out of your homes, God loves the just.” (Qur’an, 60:8)
About "Kill your enemies"?
“…seize them and kill them wherever you find them…” (Qur’an, 4:91) This one? Let me explain what on earth that means, and no, you are not taking it at all what you think it is to be taken.
Let’s identify the pronouns in the verse we quoted: “…seize them and kill them wherever you find them …” (Qur’an, 4:91). There is only one pronoun, “them,” used three times, and it’s pretty clear that it refers to the same group of people. This group of people referred to as “them” can only be identified if we look at the verses before and after.
Looking at the preceding verses we learn the following:
Verse 88 tells us that the pronoun “them” is referring to hypocrites who pretend to be Muslim on the outside but are actually spies and informants.
Verse 89 tells us that if these hypocrites turn and fight you, then you are allowed to fight them back.
Verse 90 tells us that Muslims are not allowed to touch anyone who does not want to fight.
In this example, it becomes crystal clear that “them” is referring to a group of hypocrites who are trying to harm and kill the Muslims. It would have been sufficient in this case to simply quote more of the verse: “So if they neither withdraw, nor offer you peace, nor restrain themselves from fighting you, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them: We give you clear authority against these type of people.” (Qur’an, 4:91)
Now, compare this to what is written in Deuteronomy and tell me that it is part of the Bible as a "religion of peace":
In Deuteronomy 7:1-3: “When the Lord your God brings you into the land… and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them…”
In Deuteronomy 20:10-17: “When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, then lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves.
In Deuteronomy 20:16-17: “However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them…”
In Numbers 31:17-18: “Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”
Jesus is reported to have said in Luke 19:27: “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
Now, please back up your claims, please.
FORSHAME DAN ANDERSON if you MISLEAD Came across an read it till the end with Luke 19:27 . Jesus Didn't want someone brought to him at that time . Jesus Taught an Spoke in parables to get a Spiritual Lesson across to The disciples an all of us actual
Short version Jesus Died for us All. an gave mankind an Equal opportunity to be SAVED the 1 minas or penny gave that to 10 servants an told them to do business or follow my teachings an lead others to me one servant had 10 minas at his return an was rewarded the same got to the last servant an he did no work or heed the nobleman's commandment(JESUS) an had only 1 minas he was punished by taking away what he had. . moral of the Teaching from CHRIST for mankind is. Are you READY ? TAKE HEED ! Luke: 27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’” Luke 19:11-27 ESV Thus, this verse has nothing to do with an individual turning the other cheek, nor does it speak to the idea of human governance at all. What it does teach is that all mankind will one day face the judgment of God. Those who have hated and rejected God will be punished.an suffer the second DEATH to be BANISHED from GODS SIGHT an HIS DIVINE LIGHT FOR EVER So DAN ANDERSON I will assume You ALSO took GODS WORD out of context with the OTHER bible passages you site
SHAME DAN/ JESUS Will forgive you If you Believe in Jesus's Word that he will save you threw Faith in him
Best president ever. Know your facts!
John - Are you talking about Mr. 45? If so, what facts do you claim we should know?
As a reminder that the Presidents comments will likely stir action, then yes. But that conclusion is too limited and simplistic. The issues are too emotional, and people find themselves outside of their capacity to deal with such things. When it becomes overwhelming that is when hate and physical violence erupt. Someone is going to cross the line, not only of civility but of law.
This is one of the many issues of our time and the world's human fabric will be tested and stretched. Individuals that cause violence and do physical damage will suffer consequences, there is no escape from that, even if it is denied by individual perpetrator. However, when the consequence doesn't meet the approval of others, that causes yet another consequence. As messy as any resolution process is, it is a truly the ugly portion of the only global resolution mankind has practiced.
First, before all the nonsense, you must understand that Islam is not a religion it is a way of life. A way of life that was founded by a very bad person. A man, who among other downfalls, evil ways, treating women poorly (to put in mildly) and had sex with a child. To those who still have their head buried in the sand, wake up. And if President Trump has made it easier for people to speak the truth, then thank God for that!
Alan - So, you have not studied ANYTHING about Islam, either, I see. Islam IS a religion. You remind me of the ignorant person who claims "Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship!" There are two definitions of the term "religion" which apply here:
a. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. (As in theistic religion)
b. a moral/ethical practice. (As in both theistic and non-theistic religions)
HOW was Muhammad a bad person? What evil ways are you talking about? How did he "treat women poorly"? Sex with a child? Not in the Qur'an. It mentions nothing about that.
If Mr. 45 has made it easier for people to speak the truth, then why doesn't HE start speaking the truth and use facts, instead of lying about almost anything he discusses?
Which "god" do you want to thank for Mr. 45's immoral actions?
Then maybe our president should speak the truth. Any religious person should not follow our president. He lies,cheats on his wives, a racist, demeans women, uses his position to enrich himself, and I personally believe he is a traitor.
Alan, talking about evil men, I think Christianity has a few (many) of those child molesters as well. Christianity is also a way of life, or it's suppose to be. Most don't see it that way for some reason. I agree with the fact that women are repressed in the Islamic culture, but many of the Christian facets also repressed women, and still do. It's much more complex than Islam is evil and Christianity is good. I do believe your head is buried in the sand. Trump's attitude toward women is also in question.