Should Clergy Speak Out on Political and Religious Issues?

Rev. Rene

In past times the church has always attempted to be the top dog, under the guise of: " God will disown you if His commands, as passed through His disciples, is not heeded!" This is why wiser politicians have tried to separate the functions and powers of church and state. Unfortunately this tries to forget human nature, the rich and well-connected as well as the power players of the church have a vested interest in how the people are governed and lives are controlled, riches are distributed. This will never change, not now, not ever!

jude carole

What a great question. I've often asked myself the same thing. I wish I had the answer. On one hand I think clergy should stay out of politics and then again, if I'm honest with myself , I'm only happy with them if they agree with my politics.

Linda H Deaver

queasy. the whole discussion makes me queasy. If you have to go through this much BS to be connected to god--maybe, just maybe, you should take up a different sport....

Dr.Rev. Annie

Most religions are political in nature to start with. They support the candidates who support their views on things like abortion, prayer in schools etc. Religion should be about faith not politics, but the fact is, that religions want what any individual wants, someone in power to represent their point of view. I don't think you can ever stop religions from telling their members who to vote for, but it would be nice if people could really think for themselves, and not just blindly follow their religious leaders. Might as well wish for common sense.

Carl Elfstrom

The solution to this seems easy to me. It can be called a marquee, or a bulletin board. If you don't have one in front of your church put one there. And on it state what your specific sermons are going to be about during specific services, so your congregants will have a choice, and only go to the services when you are preaching about what they want to hear. That ought to make everyone happy, and put more money in the collection plate.

Carl Elfstrom

I've been using this blog as my main pulpit, and classroom for going on two years. And the good ol'staff of the ULC have been my main teachers, directing me in what is appropriate and inappropriate to preach about, by not posting my inappropriate comments. As I get better at ministering to others they will post more of my sermons (comments), and someday I'll get so good at it that I'll open my own church. Too many ministers went to seminaries for too many years, and didn't learn nearly enough, if anything at all about what their sermons should consist of, but think their training and ministerial credentials gives them the right to spout off about anything, however they choose, and you better listen and obey their every utterance, or find another church. As an interfaith minister, I've studied numerous religions, believe in all of them, throughwhich I've come to truly believe and take to heart that we are all truly children of the same universe, mere thought forms in the mind of The All, so I seek to minister to others in accordance with their beliefs, in a way that will benefit them, instead of preaching to them about my personal beliefs, and religious/spiritual path, which is only for others of my faith, and not meant for anyone else. Politics, and other ways of this world have nothing to do with it, so I try to keep that to myself, except in addressing some of the weird topics they give us to discuss on this blog, which I suppose will make us better at ministering by doing so (or at least I would like to think so).

kimberly

Hank Hanegraaff states his political opinion quite often on the Bible Answer Man program. And, he does an excellent job of it in spite of the fact that his religion is highly flawed. I find myself agreeing with him on politics and not on religious issues. I'd say that we as religionists tend to agree more on current national political issues than on many religious issues. I opposite would be preferable because the Bible says to glorify God with singularity of mind and voice rather than "agreeing to disagree".

John Owens

On religious issues--

Most people think religion is just a combination of ritual and philosophy, associated with some deity. I suppose it would usually include those things, but more than an ideology, it is supposed to be a way of life-- don't buy things you don't need and can't afford, don't try to outdo your neighbors in everything, don't talk too loudly, don't steal, don't be a staggering drunk, brawler or a screamer, help people in need, tithe, don't have multiple sex partners, gossip, be a bully, practice the golden rule, etc. Those practices transfer over into one's political views, as they should.

Some values don't transfer into politics-- some gender issues, Holy Days/holidays, views on medicine, welfare, crime and punishment, etc.

If we practice a modicum of self-restraint remember the golden rule, and try to be helpful and not aggressive toward others, there is no reason we cannot be sensible when it comes to politics and religion.

The Rev. Dr. Marion Ceruti

When people come to hear me speak they do not expect a political diatribe. My meetings are 100% spiritual in nature.

Rev. Brien

As a person, you are free to vote and speak your opinions. We may not agree, but I will always defend your right to speak. In much the same way I consider religion. As a pastor, or reverend, or priest, or counselor, you are tasked with helping others in matters of siritual beliefs, what ever they may be. You are not there to force opinions on them, nor are you there to think for them. Freedom of, and freedom from religion must be observed. If not, we are bound to make the same mistakes that have been made all through history. As you help people with their spirit , perhaps we should all bind ourselves to a simple creed, DO NO HARM. Be well.

kimberly

Mark 15 King James Version (KJV) 15 And straightway in the morning Pelosi and Shumer held a consultation with the democrats and the media, and resisted Donald Trump, and carried him away, and delivered him to Mueller. 2 And Mueller asked Trump, Art thou the President? And he answering said unto them all, Thou sayest it. 3 And the media accused him of many things: but he admitted nothing. 4 And Mueller asked him again, saying, Answerest thou to nothing? behold how many things they witness against thee. 5 But Trump yet admitted nothing; so that Mueller marvelled. 6 Now at that investigation he released unto them one politician, whomsoever they desired. 7 And there was one named Hillary, which lay bound with them that had run for President as well, who had committed crimes in the election. 8 And the multitude crying aloud began to desire Mueller to do as he had ever done unto them. 9 But Mueller answered them, saying, Will ye that I exonerate the President? 10 For he knew that the democrats had delivered him for envy. 11 But the democrats moved the people, that he should rather exonerate Hillary unto them. 12 And Mueller answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the President? 13 And they cried out again, impeach him. 14 Then Mueller said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, impeach him. 15 And so Mueller, willing to content the people, exonerated Hillary unto them, and delivered Donald Trump when he had not exonerated him, to be impeached. 16 And the democrats led him away into congress, and they call together the whole media. 17 And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head, 18 And began to address him, he's not our President! 19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him. 20 And after they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to impeach him.

Carl Elfstrom

So far, it seems to me that the most open and honest of them all (two of the best characteristics of a leader), is named Buttigieg. I bet he'd even admit to having chopped down a cherry tree. Of course, the same might be said of Biden, but Buttigieg is far less likely to ever put his hands on a woman at all. Just food for thought.

Mark Hannon

I know churches that refuse to use the book of James because they feel it is too socialist and doesn't confirm the deity of Christ enough. For myself I like the book of James.

Jeff

An educated populace should never have to be “told” by any leader how to vote or stand on an issues. Churches should educate everyone to the tenants of the Bible, provide the teachings for a strong moral compass and trust that will direct their lives and, in turn, their politics. If any church decides to become a branch of any political party, strip them of their tax status and assign them the name of a political lobby.

mark marcelis

Clergy should stay out of p[olitics...always..

Albert A Hernandez

It's a tough question, really. But if gays can enter the political arena, then we need strong Christian ministers. America has deviated too much from God's laws and principles, and we are paying for it. Perhaps you should read my book, "The Audacity of Truth," available through Barnes & Noble and Amazon. It'll answer a lot of these questions and comments. God bless all.

Rev. Albert A. Hernandez, D. Div.

Lone

Separation of church and state; or taxes paid and political views accepted.

Blendena

I feel that Church and State/Federal stay separate. Especially the wild eyed stuff that is spewing out of supposedly religious people translating the bible to fit their hates.

Bro. James the Apostate, OSHSF

Just from one perspective, Jesus spent the majority of his supposed three year ministry exposing the hypocrisy of the religious [political] leaders of his day (in the little red-lettered words). There are tax codes to enforce should a pastor feel "led by the spirit" to become too active in partisan politics. Although many preachers go into ministry for honorable reasons, those who feel they "speak for God", especially pertaining to politics, have been smitten by their own egos.

Paulette Gagnon

I believe the ideal of separation of Church and State was for good reason. As we can see now, more than ever, not only are many evangelists turning "religion" into big business which they most of all profit from, but are touting a party line from the pulpit. They also are discriminating against other religions to their congregants...so unlike the love thy neighbor philosophy religion was intended to be. Also many politicians are now identifying with a religion hoping to garner support from those evangelists and their congregations. This linking of politicians and clergy, to me, only serves to delegitimize the religion being represented. No wonder so many of the youth of our country are disillusioned with organized religion. In many cases the message from the pulpit can be bought by politicians who come and go, which then cheapens the true Message which was to be everlasting.

manuel Valle

Clergy should stay out of politics. We now have prominent clergy, and others (the latest, Trumps campaign manager) declaring Trump the new messiah.

Charles Jenkins

Clergy should stay out of politics. Founding fathers penned separation of church and state for a reason.

Humphrey Mosley

If it is acceptable for so called "Stars" to pontificate on Political subjects, and in the process show their ignorance on the subject; then why is it not acceptable for men and women of the cloth, who are educated and have experience of 'real' lives to give their opinions? Hatred shown by some in place of reasoned argument is in my opinion the major cause of the divide in this country.

TK

Everyone can speak and everyone should be paying taxes as well.

Humphrey Mosley

Actually, the Founding Fathers wrote no such thing! The First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” So to make a law about separation of Church and State would violate the Constitution. There are many such myths about the Constitution quoted by people who have never read it.

Rev. RJ Levesque, Jr.

A church or church leaders have no business in politics AT ALL!

Bill Fox

My High Priest does not claim a tax exemption as a religious organization. He speaks about any issue He wants to talk about, even if it is political. He serves God not money. He requires his followers to pay money or respect to whom it may be due. His rules are simple and easy. What could be better?! The issue of preachers being able to talk about politics is based on whether or not the preacher (his church) wants to be exempt from taxes.

A druid

The first amendment prohibits the government from interfering in religious matters. It may be implied from this that religion is expected to keep to religious issues. Religious organizations are left out of taxation and are therefore not expected to behave as political action groups. It is egregiously improper for pastors to take political stands and especially wrong for pastors to invite politicians to speak directly to their congregations.(often for an "offering" or promise of future faith based initiatives.) The founding fathers were honest gentlemen and expected the same from the clergy. Just an observation.

Liam Wilkinson

The Bible is the syllabus for what should be taught in Church. We are not to be "of this world" and should not involve the church in political matters. Lead by the example we were given. NOT by legislation or affecting the vote. The Constitution is very clear on this matter in Amendment 1 and Amendment 14 and was written well within the parameters of what the church should be doing... teaching scripture, spreading the gospel, ministering to the sick, the elderly, and the needy. Advising those in crisis of faith. Bringing the youth up as Christians. Teach to live as we have been taught to live and not how to "get out the vote".

MONIQUE L PROULX

Separation of Church and State.

kimberly

Once can scream "separation of church and state" all one wants but that's not the intent of the constitution. Nor is it intended to keep religion out of politics. Donald Trump has a lot of parallels with what happened to Jesus. A raging elitist mob resisting someone who gave up everything to serve the people and not their establishment. As with Jesus, I find great respect for what Donald Trump has done but that doesn't mean Trump is in any way the Messiah. In actual probability, he will eventually fail to stem the tide of insanity this nation has fallen into. But, I'm going to laud his effort and support him while I still can.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.....says NOTHING about religion staying out of politics.

Secretary3rd

Rules in 501 (c) (3) says a religion does not speak for any political matter. If you do the IRS voids you status.If you want to speak for any hack do it outside of your church. Remember Rev. Jesse Jackson running for POTUS and the trouble he got in with the IRS. They read the riot act to him, threaten his lost of the 501 (c) (3) status. So be warn while you might serve God The IRS is more powerful.

kimberly

free speech is not restricted by 501 (c) (3). If a pastor has an opinion and voices it, that has nothing to do with running for office while holding his 501 (c) (3) status.

kimberly

church is the BEST place to discuss politics. Especially concerning antibiblical and/or anti-moral laws and dictates proposed by those who seek to be political leaders.

Amber

No. There are already too many crazy things going on in politics to throw religion into it. It was constitutionally designed to keep each out of the others pockets and it should stay that way.

Rod Gesner

While Ministry can have many Facets To help To heal.. Etc... To Ignore Evil and Avoid Speaking against it; is as Politically Enabling as Promoting it..

"For Evil to Triumph all it takes is For Good People to Do NOTHING"

So Speak out against Evil and Hate Filled People; Educate ALL To What it means To Walk in The Light of Understanding, Compassion, and Forgiveness...

But Keep the Promotion of Political agendas; and More Specifically Candidates and Parties; out of The Church! out of the SERMON!..

Reb TK

I think we expect too much from religion, as we do any other institution we have set in stone. We tend to be concrete in our thinking, and we lend our concreteness of thought to the exclusion of the great reality of creation around us: everything we could possibly think, imagine or want is right here before us... but we don't allow ourselves, or others, the wriggle- room to enjoy creation... we are particularly peeved when we perceive that others seem to be enjoying creation before we do... how dare they? Response? We better reel those folks in...! Religion serves its purpose... it's meant to be only what it's meant to be: ways of interacting with and interpreting what surrounds us. The same can be said for other areas of study which altogether could take us far...If we weren't so concrete.

Dawn Pisturino

Ministers should speak out on issues that are immoral according to the laws of God. If they do not, they are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Reb TK

And while Jewish and not a Christian... there is something to be said on the political side which I do not think I have seen posted yet, though I could be mistaken. Something about "render unto Caesar that which..." and "render unto g-d that which... and etc." Peace.

Shane Lowrey

The Rule of Thumb is simple (and, also the Law for non-profits tax exempt status in the US), you can speak on issues, but, you can not endorse or oppose a candidate, in print or from a pulpit, nor, can they contribute to candidate's campaign.

I would expect all clergy to speak on issues. I will report any who endorse (or oppose) a candidate. The IRS is not hard to contact.

Private conversations aren't covered. Voter education drives, if nonpartisan in the courts view, are permitted. (Lots of wiggle room there.) Candidates can speak on their campaigns at a church, provided all cadidates running for that office are invited, and, they are presented in a nonprejudical manner.

The law is the Johnson Ammendment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_Amendment It's named for LBJ, before he was President, inacted in 1954! It has never been an issue until quiet resently.

Frank Villari

If a political issue crosses the line into faith, I think discussion of the issue is appropriate. Abortion would be one example. Simply to rant about politics or support a particular candidate is not a reason. Address the issue and let people decide who to vote for. Everyone likes a candidate for various personal reasons and we should respect their right to free thinking. At best most politicians are hypocrites. At worst, most politicians have less of a clue than their constituents.

John Joseph Dawber

OUR CONSTITUTION CLEARLY STATES, FOR THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE. THE FIRSTAMENDAMENT STATES THE GOVERNMENT IS NEUTRAL ON RELIGION . THERFOR WHEN ACTUTE SITUATIONS OCCUR. SOME SITUATIONS MAY BE HANDLED BY THE CIVIL GOVERNMENTS. SOME SITUATIONS MAY BE HANDLED SUCH AS PRAYING IN FOX HOLE.HOLE!RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED. JOHN JOSEPH DAWBER USMC SERGEANT OF MARINES.

Maurice Slaunwhite

The Lord God said to pray for your government he did not say to judge the government. If a pastor does the right thing guide the government this way by telling them to do everything According To the will of God and you will have a good government. Remember In God We Trust. A Quote That was by President Abraham Lincoln. God bless you all and may the United States of America have a Godly Government President Donald Trump.

Fenix O'Dell

It is ok for clergy to state their personal opinions when no acting in an official capacity. It is absolutely not ok or appropriate to talk politics under any circumstance when acting as an official because you are straying to far from the topic you should be on. You can not properly teach and lead in your religion if you are using your influence to alter opinions that have nothing to do with the religion.

ZobVA

Jesus answered this question in his Sermon on the Mount. The "Religious Right" of his day were trying to trick him by asking him if his followers should pay taxes to the government. That was when he replied, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's. In other words... obey the secular laws, pay your taxes, and keep your religion separate from your politics.

SHAUN

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Brian Balke

Spirituality is the negotiation of the boundaries between the "I" and the "we." Culturally we have two institutional expressions of that process. Religion seeks to merge us back into the Unconditional Love from which we emanate. Politics seeks to organize us under laws made by men.

That may not seem entirely contradictory, but it is: Unconditional Love is permissive; it judges nothing and heals everyone ("God sends his rain upon the good and the evil."). Law is repressive - it defines what is allowed, deploys executive power to prevent wrong-doing, and punishes those that succeed anyways.

The proper role of a religious authority, then, is to seek conciliation and healing among those divided by evil. In analyzing political pronouncements, the pattern is then: what wrong-doing motivated this policy? How do we achieve healing? If we succeed in the goal of healing, would this policy still be necessary? OK - let's focus on the healing.

After all, isn't it better to have the clearest case possible that it is through the support of the Divine authority that we have achieved our aims, rather than muddying the waters with political authorities?

The most impressive political confrontations in the Bible were always by men of faith standing up to politicians that challenged their faith. Moses, Daniel, and of course Jesus and the Apostles are all wonderful examples, but not the only ones. I would like to see this happen more often. Great examples in our age include Gandhi and MLK Jr.

Rev J

Election 2016: Time To Decide October 16, 2016—It was only a matter of time. As the political season continued to unfold, and the nonsense and crisis at the top of the ticket began to mount, I knew that it was to be my duty at some point to speak about it at our Masses. Now there are those I know who say that political talk does not belong in the pulpit and they cite the separation of church and state. They are wrong. In fact, a recent article by a leading historian in the The New York Times 1 called for this phrase to be removed from the public discourse since it does not portray the intent of our Founding Fathers who had fled an oppressive government that dictated their religion in order to build a home on these shores that allows the basic human right of religious freedom. The separation of church and state means that those who govern can not and must not tell us how, who, and where to worship. In fact, those early leaders welcomed the voices of religious leaders in all matters political. Oddly enough, I never hear a whimper of complaint from our Southern friends (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and their band of rebels) when certain political leaders are invited to stand in Southern Protestant and 2 black church pulpits to spread their message. This includes the present Democratic nominee and her husband when they rally those same church crowds to their cause. Hence, our discussion here in this church this morning of the critical matters of this election is just about as American as it gets. Let me make this very clear, I am no fan of Mr. Trump and the recent media firestorm over his inappropriate and vulgar words is reprehensible. But he is not running for Pope! And let me remind you that his vulgar comments reflect a vulgar society. Our world has all but collapsed because of behavior that is now acceptable—behavior that you and I often turn a blind eye to in our own families and in our own homes. Have you ever been stopped at a red light with the car next to you blasting music that uses every foul word imaginable over and over again? Have you gone past the Halloween costume store on Airport Road or near the malls and watched the people going in and out and wondered whether they were buying costumes or already wearing dark costumes? Have you heard the First Lady’s reflections about the bands and music that she and her daughters listen to only to realize that they are fans of rappers? This is music that speaks of violence and death to police and is laced with vulgar words and phrases— words that make one cringe and offend those of us who are trying to live 3 decent and kind lives. Our society has gone off the cliff and these pre-election days are proving it. But let us get to the topic at hand: in just 23 days you and I and citizens of patriotic devotion across this nation will step into voting booths to choose our leaders on both a local and national scale. I am asking that you not leave your Catholic faith at home. Bring it with you to make those choices. I am not asking that America be Catholic. I am asking that Catholics be Catholic! As for our president, I cannot vote for the Democratic nominee who believes that abortion, right up to the very moment of birth, should be legal. It’s called Late-Term Abortion and it’s a platform of her campaign and an example of her brand of democratic principles. I find it shocking and disingenuous that a woman who touts her life and campaign as one dedicated to women’s rights would support and mandate the killing of women, since more than half of those innocent little ones that end up in a garbage bin are girls. I cannot vote for Mrs. Clinton since my immortal soul would be in peril by cooperating in the destruction of innocent human life. Further, a vote for her will also allow her the power to recreate the Supreme Court in the years ahead. And our laws, already on the cliff of immorality, will go over the edge for this generation and for the next. And 4 let’s be clear that she, her party, and her leaders (including the current administration of these past eight years) hate us. They hate Catholics. Let me say it again: they hate Catholics. They hate everything that we stand for and the virtues and values that we hold as sacred. They hate the Church and the Divine Master that we love and serve. And we have the evidence of this in the email traffic from her top leaders saying that they must infiltrate and topple the Catholic Church, and do it from within, to bring us up-to-date with their immoral principles and ways of living. How despicable and bold is that? That in our country built on the basic human right of religious freedom, these potential leaders who claim to be liberal and accepting of all things would draw the line on Catholics like you and me. In fact, the President of the Conference of Catholic Bishops for our nation, Archbishop Joseph Kurtz, when discovering the intent and content of these emails said this: “We … expect public officials to respect the rights of people to live their faith without interference from the state. When faith communities lose this right, the very idea of what it means to be an American is lost.” 5 As for Mrs. Clinton’s years of public service—another platform on which she builds her campaign—well, as you know, a few weeks ago I finished a military career of 36 years. I would never have reached that milestone had I done what Mrs. Clinton did with classified material when she served as Secretary of State. I would have been court-martialed and perhaps even jailed. The only people the Clintons have served are themselves and their spirit of unbridled entitlement as they line their coffers with cash from donors who stand against us and openly oppose our values. Do you want more evidence? Take a look at the lawsuit brought by the Little Sisters of the Poor in Washington, D.C. who refused to apply the Obamacare mandates of contraception and abortion coverage to health coverage for their employees and won the first round before the Supreme Court. My friends, these are critical decisions. These are critical days. You and I must use the power of our vote as Catholics informed and supported by our faith to make the correct decision and to rescue this republic from the abyss of destruction. As the late great Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, “What the world needs most is a voice that courageously speaks the truth, not when the world is right, but a voice that speaks the truth when the world is wrong.” 6 The time is now to speak the truth, vote the truth, and save the nation that we love and we call home. My friends, my name is Father Bob Marciano and GOD approves this message!

When speaking from the pulpit one is speaking to the supposedly faithful parishioners. Not to the general population of the country. Being that we of the faith, which ever that may be for you, this is the speaker's crowd. In other words we follow the same guidelines and beliefs together. And yes it is up to all pastors and ministers to remind all of the faithful to be bound by their commitment, that they took to be one of the faithful, and to run your life and to vote accordingly. Here Father Bob is not asking all voters in general to vote by the Catholic church teachings, but he is reminding us that all professed Catholics vote Catholic. A very important distinction here is it not? If you profess your allegiance to anything then to abandon it means you are, in this case, a C.I.N.O. or Catholic In Name Only. I am a Vietnam conflict era male and it was a saying among our armed forces, If you your gonna talk the talk you need to walk the walk. If you do not do so you are a sham and a liar. I am also of native American decent and it has always been said by native Americans that the white man speak with forked tongue. If you talk the talk then you better walk the walk. Why is the Catholic church in so much trouble today? Because they are very good at talking the talk but they do not walk the walk. Filled with liars and sham shepherds. God Bless Rev J

Kristin Carpenter

Absolutely not! When you mix politics and religion, you're gonna cause a massive storm, and the fallout will be incredible!!! Of course, religious leaders can voice their political opinions, and politicians can voice their religious opinions, but I feel that church and state should be left separate. When you throw religion into the mix, people start doing all kinds of stupid stuff and they can get away with it by saying, "God told me it's ok. In god's name...", and that's how people get hurt! Look at all the wars that are and were fought "in God's name", and look at the devastation that was left in it's wake.

I feel that politicians will use religion to bend the law or pass laws or bills to line their pockets, make things easier for them and their friends, or otherwise make things more difficult for the people that are seriously affected by their choices. And I feel that religious leaders can take advantage of the 5th amendment and how protected it is, to warp the laws and bills being written and passed to make people worship, or pray, or whatever else, when they don't want to. Like how some schools make kids pray in the morning, even if they're not raised in a religion, or they have a religion where they don't pray or don't pray the same way others do.

Maybe if the world wasn't such a living hell, then maybe we could combine the 2 to make the world a better place. But everyone is suing everybody for some stupid reason or another, people are still being killed, maimed, bullied, excluded, or discriminated against bc of their religious or political views and preferences, so what makes people think it's a good idea to combine them in the world today?? They are both highly combustible topics, and I think mixing the 2 would make for an extremely volatile environment. I look back when church leaders were in charge. And I think about all the innocent women who were killed for witchcraft, people who were crucified, beaten, hung, whipped, stripped of their land, money, and titles, exiled, &/or killed because they didn't practice the same religion as the heads-of-state or government officials did. And I think about all the cultures, tribes, other religions, and people that were nearly or completely eradicated because they were different. And still are! Most of those choices were made because politics and religion were hand-in-hand, so in order to keep history from repeating itself, we've got to learn from past mistakes, and learn how to go down a different road and not make the same choices as people before us!

I'm not saying that politicians and government officials shouldn't be religious or have faith, and I'm not saying that religious leaders and church goers shouldn't be political and have a stance on their government. I'm just saying that it can be incredibly dangerous for them to be in bed with each other again.

fred klink

Well fellow thinkers , I must admit to live by a myth then to guide people to great beyond is all fine .but to force your world view on myth believers in a way to effect them in the real world is just plain silly. Have to really think on it, if your town is taken over by people put in office by their group of like minded thinkers . Kind of leaves everyone one else out right, Hold up have to get late up date from the voice in my head telling me what to impose to prove I am right never does the voice disagree with how I feel. WHY SHOULD YOU!!!!! ? come on to let the controller of the myth be able to have any power outside their house of worship is very dangerous. like I say history is never written by the loser. but the memes live on thanks to the myths. some look at religion as a slave to self imposed denial of life and knowledge. in favor magical thinking all can be made right with a few kind words. look around see what will happen in a THEOCRACY. where questioning is not allowed to kept the myth alive. until the next group puts in it's way. I VOTE HELL NO!!! FREEDOM FROM RELIGION WILL TAKE ON NEW MEANING when you are denied to think freely and question openly no religion wants free thinking.