Is it constitutional to deny someone housing because they're gay?
A lesbian couple from Missouri has filed a lawsuit against a senior living center after their housing application was denied when the owners discovered they were gay.
Mary Walsh and Bev Nance have been together for 40 years and have been married since 2009. After touring the facilities at Friendship Village senior living community, filling out an application, and even putting down a deposit, their new apartment seemed like a done-deal.
But before the agreement could be finalized, the residence director called to question Walsh and Nance on the nature of their relationship. Soon after, they were informed their application had been rejected.
The couple decided to file suit.
Living Biblically - AKA No Gays
Although representatives from Friendship Village have thus far declined to comment, it seems that religious belief was responsible for the rejection. The organization's website explains that it is "guided by Biblical values" and its cohabitation policy defines marriage as "the union of one man and one woman, as marriage is understood in the Bible."
Apparently, Mary Walsh had specifically asked during their initial tour if the community would have a problem with two married women moving in together. "The guy looked at me like I had three heads and said, 'No, we don't have any problem at all.' He looked at me so strangely I never asked the question again," Walsh explained.
Do They Have a Shot to Win?
The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court this week claims the senior living center denied the couple's application based solely on their sexual orientation. "Mary and Bev were denied housing for one reason and one reason only because they were married to each other rather than to men. This is exactly the type of sex discrimination the Fair Housing Act prohibits," said the couple's attorney. "Their story demonstrates the kind of exclusion and discrimination still facing same-sex couples of all ages."
However, legal experts think Marsh and Nance will be fighting an uphill battle. Although housing discrimination based on things like race and sex is definitively illegal under federal law, there's no law preventing discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Fight for Equal Treatment Continues
Walsh and Nance have seen the gay rights movement evolve from its infancy. they were alive during the Stonewall riots, when being openly gay was basically unheard of. And decades later, they witnessed a long-sought victory: the legalization of same-sex marriage. And yet, even after all these years, they're still facing obstacles.
"All this stuff just keeps coming at you, and then you're in your 70s, and you think it's going to be easy from now on and then you face this kind of prejudice. In my mind, the time has come for this to be corrected," Walsh said.
Even if Walsh and Nance end up losing their case, Friendship Village might want to consider a name change, for this type of treatment doesn't come off as particularly friendly. At the very least, they should put an asterisk next to their name explaining that "gays need not apply."
What do you think? Should housing companies have the right to turn away gay applicants?
251 comments
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N. Jouce
So disheartened with the disrespect and nastiness thrown at fellow Ministers here in the comments. Why do things have to turn so ugly? Choose Love. We are living in a world so full of hatred already. Choose light. Choose compassion. I personally will choose to never read the comments on this site again. So depressing, and frankly, so disappointing. I came here in the name of love, and in its place, found hate.
Peace to you all.
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Lori
It does get out of control at times. I don't see many of these folks shaking the hate. I get angry too, but I have also learned a lot through the heated conversation. It's truly an eye opener to how many Christians think and react. Not very Christ like. It makes me glad I'm not one anymore. Peace to you too.
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Maria
Couldn’t agree with you more. It’s so sad that in the year 2018 people are still so ignorant, cruel, judgemental and hateful to name a few. I was born and raised Catholic but as soon I was old enough to start questioning their practices left the Catholic Church; and not solely because of the priests but mostly because of the so called Christians and their hypocritical and self righteous views. I no longer follow a religion and no am sure their is even a God I’m sad to say. So I try to live my life in a way that I would like people to treat me. I don’t judge because no one is perfect and I try to be kind to all. Now I’m not perfect and if someone pisses me off I will defend myself or if they really hurt me I not allow them in my life anymore. But to judge gay people or anyone for something they have no control of and were created and born that way is WRONG!! And if someone doesn’t understand this they probably never will.,
Bless you and everyone who is good and kind! And bless the people who don’t get it so that they at least don’t hurt anyone and keep their opinions to themselves!
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Tom B
Nicky J...Respectfully, running from the darkness, when you can be a little light, is in the best interests of no one...Peace...Tom
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angel
This article has really hit closer to my heart, especially recently.My oldest daughter is transgender. I didn't know until she turned 18 and I had to hospitalize her for a suicide attempt. When I went to the hospital and had a meeting with her and the councilor, this is when she told me. I was floored, not because she was transgender, but because she thought we would reject her because of it. I told her that all I ever wanted from her and all of my children is to be who they are going to be and to proud of who they are, no matter what anyone else thinks, but most important, to be happy with who they are. Though our family has always supported her, it took 8 years to start actually transitioning. She lives as a woman full-time and I'm very proud of her courage and strength. As a mother, I am proud that she learned what I wanted to teach her. But I also tried to teach her that not everyone is going to accept her and she is going to have to accept other's decisions to not accept. I wish it was a simple as people simply not agreeing but this is not the case. She has been on hormone therapy for 2 years now. We recently relocated temporarily from a small town to a large city. This city is known for it's liberalism and I figured this would make her transition quite easy. Boy was I wrong! Due to insurance issues, the original doctors unenrolled her and the new primary doctor doesn't even take her insurance! So we had to rely on urgent cares and many doctors unwilling to give her a prescription. We went to one that not only refilled her prescription for a month but gave us a referall to a doctor he worked under before that takes her insurance! Sounds great, right? Nope! We went in and saw the doctor and the doctor said that there was nothing in the medical books that required him to give hormones to a man and basically kicked us out of his office without a prescription. He did make his receptionist send out a referral to a specialist so I wouldn't sue, but the specialist appointment was still almost 3 months away. This complicated things more at the urgent care as more doctors wanted her to get it through her now PCP. So we had to taper her down from her original dose which came with withdraws. We went to another urgent care and was accused of jeopardizing their doctors by asking for it and basically kicked out of that office as well. We went to another, explaining the story all over again and that doctor gave her another 30 days. We have all the documentation, her medical history and even the psych approval for the medication, but there is so much hatred towards transgender's that even medical doctor's have the "choice" to deny medical attention to her and are allowed to place her heath at risk all for the sake of their beliefs. I understand that buissness should have the right to risk their buissness in order to stand up for their beliefs, but when it comes to the basic needs of human beings, such as the ability to seek medical attention, buy food and obtain shelter, it should be illegal. I'm no longer Christian, but I do believe that people have the right to believe as they wish, but when we are risking the health and basic needs of people, whether we like it or not, are a part of our society, then, we, as a society has a serious problem. We have been rejected by family members and friends, over religious beliefs, and I', ok with this, but I'm not ok when people are denied their basic needs all for the sake of religious preference. Prejudice and discrimination comes in many forms. You can't say you are against discrimination when you are denying people their basic needs. I'm not talking about a baker refusing to bake a stupid cake, because people can survive without a wedding cake, I'm talking basic needs. People say that this couple can go elsewhere. They told us that to, but when the majority of people are denying you medical care, then I have to also assume that many other places are also denying them medical care as well. Senior center's aren't just to give old people a place to live. They often have more limited mobility and need more assistance in order to do their day to day activities. Most of these homes have different levels of care and we really don't know how much care these women need. So, no, they are not just being denied housing, they are also being denied medical assistance and they have probebly tried several other places as well. Society assumes that eventually someone will hook them up, but that's not usually the case. You don't really how limited you are until everyone decided to excercise their religious rights and deny you your own basic needs of survival. To think this is the only place they applied and denied is naive at best. What if the tables were turned and this was your daughters or sons? What if they were denied needed medication or medical services because a pagan decided not to help your daughter and son and shoving them off to someone else? What if you had to see your child suffer because your child had to go without medications until you could find the next kind soul? Even though I have my own opinions about Christians, I could not watch another human being suffer withdrawls and instill that type of pain and fear into another human being. You don't think there was fear in my daughter? Fear about the side effects? You think she wouldn't have the same withdrawl symptoms as your mother is she stopped taking her hormone pills? Would you be ok if the doctor just said " sorry, I don't do hormones, go find someone else even though your almost out." But it's a personal and religious choice, right? Technically I could do that because I don't believe in Christianity, right? What about these women? Have you ever been scared of going homeless because all the doors you tried have closed and all you have is a small hope that one heart will be open enough to keep you off the street? Or be limited on money and the only place you could afford wouldn't take you, just because the person you are married to doesn't "fit in"? And what if the person you loved had cancer? You all can keep your wedding cakes, but it's not right that tax paying citizens of this society is being denied their basic needs. People have more sympathy towards murderers then they do transgenders and gays. I don't ask you to agree with my daughter's life style, but I do ask that you stop the suffering of people different then you and denying them the healing and bread that your Jesus would have given them. I hope that you don't ever have to walk in these shoes, but if you do, I hope you remember my story and I hope you will find more love and compassion then what we have been given.
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Preacher Man
Let's assume they win their lawsuit and obtain their living quarters. What next? If the other residents don't welcome them with open arms, do they plan to sue the other residents?
Sounds like someone is looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Law or not, I certainly would not want to live where I was not welcome.
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Steven Mull
The Creator says"bless the two spirited people." I'm supposed to bless Colonists who come here and desecrate our sacred sites. We are not here to judge one another while here on earth. The spirit world is where the reckoning happens.
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Tom B
Respectfully, it is illegal and unethical to deny their application...the "holier than thou" attitude of the organization...if they had this kind of restriction, they should not be open to the public, as they are wrongfully choosing their definition of :"public"...Peace... Tom
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Brendan Murphy
So we have an all loving God who gave his son to die on the cross to absolve us of our sins, we have a book that is written, clues in written, and edited by man, and you think the God of love and compassion is going to be a hater on two females that have a chromosome error, I think not, the error here is with all who cannot remove the plank from their eyes before judging others, and have not themselves sinned, because if all they have done is love one another and been kind and generous goodly people to all who have encountered them well people Christians your are not.
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Secretary3rd
Maybe it would be wise to see if all those in that place are truly married as husband and wife. These two women have open up a can of worms. Just by asking who are the couples in that complex. Did any of them know or was raise with the other in the first 18 years of their life. Pastors have you ever had two lesbians sisters ask the question about their lifestyle. What lifestyle in the Bible that was written 2000 years ago when all females of any religion when they reach 13 years of age got pregnant rather they like it or not. Both of them would have bare a child until they died in child birth. Your both out of that bearing children stage and who but simple minded ape would care. Go with God's blessing.
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Robert Messmer
The court case will depend of some things not explicitly stated in the article. For example it states the website explains the policy. Quote: "The organization’s website explains that it is “guided by Biblical values” and its cohabitation policy defines marriage as “the union of one man and one woman, as marriage is understood in the Bible.” Is the definition of marriage ON the contract? Can the organization show that it has also refused a heterosexual couple not married to each other? The name of the organization does not show any religious affiliation so the normal perception would be that one doesn't have to believe in a certain way. And of course, if the plaintiffs do their judge shopping well to get a Liberal judge they will probably win, at least the first go round.
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Maria
I totally and whole heartedly agree!
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Jeff
This was by no means an accident, there are over 480 assisted living facilities in Missouri and the gay couple happened to pick the Christian facility. A facility that advertises that it is "Guided by Biblical Values". This was an attack on Christianity, plain and simple. It was an attack on religion. Its sad that the people who want to be treated equally go out of their way to attack another group.
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flugo
Excellent!
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Rev. Bradley
For my self and my fellow ministers here in Canada we teach love and acceptance for all. If a gay couple wants to love and praise God we don’t stop them any Christian that discriminates against someone else are not true Christian’s. I am a firm believer that love is love and God loves love. I am one of million Rev. And Pastros in Canada that think this. The whole idea of family was made by God. So please, just remember that God house is every human on earth’s house. I’m sadden to see that Christian’s still practice hypocrisy in the world. I don’t mean to offend but I have the freedom of speech and I have the right to place my opinion on matters such as these as man of God and of Canada
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flugo
Yes, Bradley. you have a right to your opinion, as do all your Canadian ilk. But, your opinions are a distortion of the Scriptures, 'Rev'.
We hear lots from the 'God is love, love this and that, accept anything, peace at all costs' camp. Your opinion as 'love and acceptance for all' is NOT God's opinion.
God hates and judges: (homosexuality) Leviticus 18:22; (divorce) Malachi 2:16; (and many common sins) Proverbs 6:16-19, just to name a few instances.
Jesus judges in Mathew 7:16 (dogs, pigs, false prophets); Matthew 23:23 hypocrisy) and in many other passages.
Jesus encourages US to judge,discern in Matthew 7:24 (rightly); Luke 17:3 (rebuke the errant) and in other places.
We are to be judgmental and perceptive of other's actions and attitudes, as our Lord is. And we are to love the sinner, yet hate sin, as He does.
Your Canadian opinion presents a spineless approach to Truth, and a compromise of God's Word, 'Rev'.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Bob, I read in the Scriptures that many of its writers hated and judged homosexuality, divorce, and many common "sins", but not that God Himself hated any of these things, even though they, the same as you, wanted to set themselves up as "the voice of God" in this world!!! If the "God is love, etc." camp is the "peace at all costs and spineless" camp, then I guess that you must belong to the "no peace at any cost whatsoever" and brainless camp! If God isn't a schizophrenic, then He couldn't possibly have said "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" (more of that "love garbage" right?!), while telling us to judge them at the same time. This "love the sinner, yet hate sin" line of yours only seems to apply to homosexuals' and others' that you dislike "sins", but not to any of the sins that other people see in YOU!!!, such as bigotry, narrow-mindedness, self-righteousness, holier-than-thouness, pretentiousness, hypocrisy, and this sin of a double standard (one standard for yourself and a different standard for gay people and others), which allows you to have all of these other sins! None of you "voice of God in this world" actual bigots will answer the question: how do you know that these Bible writers who wrote these homophobic and gay-hating verses in the Bible didn't just put those words into God's mouth, in order to make Him "agree" with them and "sanctify" and "justify" their bigotry and impose that easier on other people, and where is your proof that they didn't? You refuse to answer that question because an honest answer to it (if you were even capable of giving an honest answer to that or anything else!) would blow you out of the water and demolish your position here! My proof that they did so is that God isn't a bigot. So, if there is ever any bigotry found in the Bible (and there is lots of it!), God didn't put those words into His own mouth, but they were put there by people in ancient times and today, such as yourself, for the purpose already stated. It is just too "coincidental", suspicious, and convenient that this great God of the entire Universe ends up sounding the same as these narrow and small "minded" people, such as yourself, and spouting the same garbage that all of you spout about homosexuals and other matters. If I see a murdered person in a room, I don't have to guess, but know for a certainty, that there was a murderer who put it there. If I see bigotry in the Bible, I can also know for a certainty that bigots put it there----and since God isn't a bigot, that only leaves you and your ilk from thousands of years ago who must have put it there!!! So, where is your proof that it didn't happen as I say that it did, to contradict and counteract my proof that it did happen that way? I would love to read it and will be waiting to see it, if you are sure enough of yourself and strong enough to send it.
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angel
Perhaps it's not God that is bi-polar, but people's view of what God is...The reality is, God is both light and dark. Hate and anger are not the opposite of love, it's an aspect of it, believe it or not. Apathy would be the opposite of love. These men in the bible obviously had a more personal relationship with their God and asked advice on how to handle situations during their time and in their culture. God answered them according to their own beliefs and cultures, but it doesn't mean it's the same advice he would give to you. It's not a tell all for everyone. Just like you wouldn't give all of your children the same advice because they are all different people. Religion is merely a society of people who agree to live by the specific guidelines for that community. Spirituality is that personal one on one that tells you "hey, I don't agree with this doctrine,belief, or I feel there is a different interpretation of it because this teaching doesn't sit right with me." This is why there is so much confusion because everyone is looking for a custom fit on an off the rack religion. To thine own self be true. Jesus and every other mystic never looked at a book to teach them God, they looked within. Jesus, well the bible, said that the kingdom of heaven isn't above, it's within. Jesus never meant for his teachings to be a religion, in my opinion, he was merely teaching people to listen to the God in their hearts, not at the synogog. We all have to do what is right within and it's going to create conflict, that's just an example of the extent of how far freewill can go! The price of freewill is to be unbound from chains and control, which often leads to chaos, which is why some many governments have chosen religion, in order to control the masses from chaos. One set of rules that everyone follows so everyone knows how to live together in society. It's why Islam is rising so much. Governments want it because the rules are very black and white on citizens behaviors. And, though I don't agree with their doctrine, you don't see alot of the chaos you do here. We, as Americans and western countries want our freewill and with that freewill come conflict. But to answer your question, truth is subjective and the only thing that makes a truth a truth is one's belief in it. Perception makes it subjective. This is why someone can stack a bunch of "proof" in front of you and you can argue it away, because to them, it is solid proof, and to you it's complete nonesense and you see no proof. It;s this process that allows us to grow and also change our perceptions so we are not always stuck in the same mind frame, we grow and that is the purpose, imho. If God expected us to chose him and punish us for not doing so, then this wouldn't be true freewill. So, perhaps, mankind has missed the entire point and the point is following the God that lives in your heart and not the God that other people perceive. I don't know why I wrote all this, but you sound like a guine person so here it is. blessed be
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flugo
You obviously, 'rev' Bradley, don't know and/or ignore the teachings of the Scriptures. And you've a choice: either believe the Bible as the 'God-breathed/inspired' Word of God. Or, explain away its time honored truths to your bias and peril.
And God does hate. He says so. He hates attitudes, behavior and sin. And Jesus gave us guidelines to do the same.
You said that 'any Christian who discriminates against someone else is not a true Christian' (9 Aug) Well, then, why don't you tell Jesus He does not qualify as a Christian.
According to the Webster dictionary's definition, Jesus MANY times discriminated! Many times He called the Scribes and Pharisees dogs, swine, hypocrites, sepulchers ,etc. . . .AND pronounced woe to them, . . . AND warned His followers about these classes of people/activity..
Confidence is engendered by having an 'anchor' (God's Word) in one's life. Else, one is flotsam in the many currents of contemporary human reasoning.
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MicheaLuna
What a bunch of self righteous asshats. Man! If you are what Christ taught then I misunderstood everything. Y’all are mean spirited and so uptight you could miss the gift if it fell on your head. Why are you people in this group anyway take your hate back to your churches and stfu.
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Elizabeth Tanner
Love and let love. Loving people who care for one another should have the right to live anywhere they wish regardless of sexual orientation. Love is love.
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Bill Fox
Why would lesbians want to live in a Christian retirement home?
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Maria
Why not? If one is a true Christian they will love and accept all!
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flugo
SkipNClair has an option to consider.
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Lori
or perhaps they are Christian.
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Sally Lilly
Try a real examination of your religion http://www.evilbible.com/
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Sally Lilly
It's interesting that a lot of these posts are no different that all the other posts on the internet. They are full of hate, judgement and derision of anyone who doesn't agree with your particular dogma. Whatever happened to "Judge not lest ye be judged"? If god is so perfect and doesn't make mistakes, then why does god continue to make gay people? Maybe because it's not a mistake? All you bible thumpers make me sick. How about trying to be a good and decent person? Isn't that what god would want?
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angel
Yet, here you are doing the same thing, it's funny how these things work...
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skipNclair
Why would you wish to live, where you are not welcome? Why do you think you have rights, and others do not? Whatever rights you think you may have that are greater then their first amendment rights are not written in the constitutuion, and are not God given, all rights come from God almighty, and this establishment like any other has the right to refuse you service. Perhaps what your really looking for, is not a comfortable place to live for both you and your neighbors, but perhaps what you really seek is attention, furthering an agenda that God almighty calls an abomination, and I might also think your looking for some easy money. May I suggest you both be not so selfish and find another place to live, making things best for all.
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Carol W Waldenburg
I don't know about those ladies, but someone is sure seeking attention . . .
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flugo
Excellent observation, Skip!
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Carol W Waldenburg
Did we all forget about the two loving women who this was supposed to be about in the first place and the discrimination they were facing due to RELIGION?
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angel
Nope, these comments are merely a reflection of WHY these women are going through this...
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Myrna Alvarado
Only one scripture applies here:
Matthew 7:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
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Maria
????❤️❤️❤️❤️ Much love to you too! People are so ignorant and judgemental. I have several gay friends and I know first hand the heartache they’ve gone through and go through. Peace and love to you and your partner!!!!
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Rev. Anthony Boyette
Well, if reading thru all these posts has taught me anything, it's that "Universal Life Church" ordination is a laughing joke. I would expect people of God (ANY God) to behave differently. All I've seen here is people who wear some religious title on their sleeve acting like a bunch of sinners, hypocrites, and nasty bikers at a tavern. You don't have to agree on whether gays are going to hell or going to heaven, or whether they please the Lord or offend the Lord, or whether the Bible says one thing or the other. But I'd expect people of religion to conduct their debate in a manner that reflects their alleged religious affiliation. All I've read so far is satanic affiliation.
If you guys were really people of any god, you could debate respectfully and politely rather than resorting to hate and name calling. Keep on quoting scripture. Satan quoted scripture also.
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angel
You do realize that satanism is also a religion and welcome here....
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angel
Its why they call it "universal", people are allowed to believe as they wish, it's the down side of accepting everyone, you literally have to accept everyone, not the illusion that we place on what we believe spiritual people should be. It's the main reason I left religion altogether. !!! But, there is a huge difference between religion and spirituality, and just because people are one or the other or both doesn't mean it's all light. We are both light and dark and we live and express both sides, you can't have one without the other. But you do have a good point, and I will admit myself, that some of my comments didn't exactly come from a place of light, but hey, much of my sarcasm comes with a point that would otherwise not be known. The point dear brother, is that if your looking to find people like yourself, your in the wrong place, but if your looking to push the boundaries and challenge yourself to true acceptance, this is the perfect place to it!
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Maria
Saw a comment that being gay is a choice. Some people are so ignorant. It’s NOT a choice! It’s the way God made them. And who are we to judge! By the way I am not gay but accept all Gods people.
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Steven
Thank you Maria. They have just never studied for themselves with an open mind to the Spirit or they would better understand. Why would I choose to be someone who has to go through all the judgment, hatred, weird looks when in public with my partner, possible bodily harm or death and all the other trying things? Did they choose to be straight? Its people like you that are not judgmental and accepting that make this world a better place to live. Much Love to you my Sister.
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Carol W Waldenburg
Ditto what Steven said!
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Maria
Ditto here too
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Snuffy
Yeah...these two women look like a real threat to community!
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Carol W Waldenburg
Right?!?!?! I cannot believe that this is even being discussed here!
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angel
But they are going to make out like teenagers and rip each other's clothes off in front of everyone and force us to watch it!!!...yuck!!! lamo!!!
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Steven
Love as has already been stated is Jesus number one commandment. Genuine True Brotherly Sisterly Love will correct so many of the issues in our modern world. Leaving judgment up to God and not passing judgment with our finite understand would certainly solve a lot of our issues as well. I with Gods help came to terms with my sexual orientation a number of years ago. I studied beyond what I had been taught growing up in church and even what I had preached and taught from pulpits myself. I KNOW where I stand with God. I REFUSE to argue with anyone who disagrees with how God through His Spirit has directed me concerning ME. If it were me I would not want to live in a community that did not want me there. I do however think that this retirement community should make this perfectly clear that they hold those beliefs before the application process starts. If they feel the need to take it to court then that is also their decision and I don't condemn them for that. It does hurt my heart to read the anger and hate that seems to come out here when someone disagrees with someone else. My understanding when I joined this organization was that it did not specifically endorse a certain set of beliefs. If you cant associate with and communicate with brothers and sisters here without getting so upset and not be loving and accepting then maybe you are in the wrong group.
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Fr. Omnius et Nihilius
If it is a privately owned community with no money given to them by the government, they can discriminate whomever they want. If they get even one dime, they have to allow all types.
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Julie Freeman
There are things in life that you have no choice, but your life style is a choice and you shouldn't try to force people to accept it. No one says anything about not being let in because you're a woman and being a woman isn't a choice. Just find another facility
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Sally Lilly
So when did you decide to be straight? Ohh, you didn't? Well, neither did a gay person decide to be gay. We are simply who we are and born that way.
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angel
Why not, hetrosexual is a sexual choice and your forcing it on everyone else.....you gotta love the paradox in that....just sayin....
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preacher richard h.
So what your saying is the GODS word in the Old Test. and The NEW test. Condemn Gays or laying with a man as if a women, But Your all born that way
Being BORN that way Goes Against GODS NATURE , GOD cant condemn a sin an then Create one To walk the Earth. GOD is a DIVINE and Righteous Being .And CANT Go against his Nature
So It HAS to be a CHOICE, "Judge not, that you be not judged" is often the wailing cry of false teachers and hardened sinners who misapply the verse to ward off censure for their evil deeds. Do not be intimidated by such people, for Jesus has commanded us to judge with righteous judgment (John 7:24).
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Lori
What about the people that have been born with both sex organs? I know someone who was born that way. The patents usually decide for them. Aren't they God's creations? So has God created a sin in this case? Or are the parents being sinful in choosing for them? You say God can"t go against nature. You obviously don't know that no two people are created the same. We are not cookie cutter fabrications. You can't make everything black or white. It's a big wide wonderful world!
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preacher richard h.
OK LORI Pick ,pick ,pick. Babies born with two sexes isn't a SIN. it can be traced to the parents DNA or Blood . or maybe its a warning or Punishment for the parents of transgressions. Let the kid decide when its old Enough.
NO I said GOD cant go against "HIS" Nature an his Nature is Divine and Sinless
YES WE are All DIFFERANT We Choose , We have FREE WILL a GIFT FROM GOD .But There is only ONE TRUE GOD.
and that is BLACK and WHITE no Rainbow Colors in GODS WORLD
Amen
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Lori
Wow, a punishment for the parents? That's one nasty God you're talking about. When parents do something wrong God takes it out on the little ones? Sounds like a pretty sick way of looking at things. So I guess you aren't interested in bringing people to God, are you? I certainly wouldn't touch that.
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Minister Dorothy
God said he loves ALL his children. No exceptions!
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preacher richard h.
Sure GOD loves all his creatures, But it doesn't mean GOD Forgives SIN. GOD is Divine an Righteous An punishes Sin,
JESUS is the Doorway to GOD, Only thru JESUS can we be Forgiven and put back into GODS GRACE
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flugo
'minister' Dorothy: Please provide the Biblical reference that shows 'God said he loves ALL his children'.
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John D Ehlers
The Bible says to love everyone. It doesn’t say accept what everyone does the Bible is clear about homosexual relationships it’s also clear it is not for me to judge. If they aren’t wanted there it would best behoove them to find a suitable place better fit for what they want. It’s a sign that God needs them somewhere else. Don’t be upset don’t spin your wheels move forward.
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Maria
Wow read many remarks and it always shocks me how hateful some people are. If people would stop and put themselves in other peoples shoes they’d realize how cruel they were being to each other. Don’t hide your ugliness behind the Bible or a religion....life is difficult for everyone gay, straight or otherwise. LOVE in my BOOK is the most important attribute we can show one another....don’t force your idiotic views on everyone else! As long as the gay couple are not criminals let them live wherever they want! Being gay does not make you a horrible person! I know many so called religious people who I would never want to live near....I have been hurt by so many so called religious people in my life, and it disgusts me how they preach and hide behind the word of God! Get over yourself and leave good people alone! And by the way...I don’t believe the Bible is the word or God! God instilled all the commandments we need in our hearts and brain!!! When you use these two vital organs you love all things!!!!!!
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Chris
In the article, the women state that they asked during their initial tour if the place would accept a lesbian couple and were told there would be no problem. To have that retracted and have their application denied for "sincerely held religious beliefs" is utter codswallop. I would bet there are others living there, not to mention working there, who have been divorced, committed adultery, probably broken laws, have tattoos, don't honor their parents, or any number of other no-nos listed in the bible. Picking on one particular thing simply because they find it icky is hypocritical. The administration is simply being bigoted and hiding under the umbrella of religion.
This story is not whether or not the women should be lesbian, but whether or not their application should have been denied. Be hateful all you want since that seems to be permissible now, but at least try to be honest about why you're being hateful. Picking and choosing what bits of your bible you will or won't follow is laughable at best, hateful at worst.
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Kay Burk
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Darnell Murray
I feel if a person want to live in a place that is comfortable to them they should don't go by someone sexually org. ,, we are allGod people no matter what , me personally I love no matter who you my parents showed me that !!! So if you don't agree don't hate !!!
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Kirsten
If one truly believes God created (wo)man after His/Her image, then whoever has a problem with the LGBT community might have to reconsider his/her reservations. People think of God as kind, loving, or as vengeful - but if you can take your pick on this, then maybe the whole concept needs to be looked at more closely.
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Fred campbell
I am a minister of this church and I live in Australia. I am reading these comments and am quite discusted that there people preaching hate under the banner of religion and sadly, under the banner of this church. Does the bible not teach us that all are equal under the eyes of God and that we should love and cherrish each other....equally?? You can still not agree with something, but offer your love and compassion, instead of hate.
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Carl Elfstrom
If anything fluetschypants claims to be the words of his god (of which are written in the christian book of lies they call the Bible) are truly the words of his god, his god ought to be taking milaril, and needs to be psychoanalyzed on atleast a weekly basis.
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Carl Elfstrom
"God, save us from your supposedly good people." Blessed be !
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Carl Elfstrom
I'm only Wiccan, but include Jesus and deities of some other religions in my pantheon of gods. I don't believe in any form of dogma, the Bible included,but as an interfaith minister I minister to people regarding their beliefs (whatever they happen to be), not my own.
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Carl Elfstrom
I've found it's best to believe in a power greater than myself. Whatever's your HP is fine with me. There is no one right way for everyone to believe, but whatever you believe in please do so wholeheartedly. Thankyou
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Carl Elfstrom
I don't know if Christians go to heaven or hell, but I'm going to the Summer land. I'll usually be in the section where AC/DC will be playing live throughout eternity. I've got tickets for front row seats, next to the gays and lesbians who dig that kind of music. And that darling, precious guard dog Cerberus will see to it that bible thumpers stay out, and no one ever leaves. And who would ever want to leave such an eternal party in the extreme, as opposed to wearing white robes, worshipping god, and always striving to be goodie two shoes in Christian heaven, which sounds like hell to me.
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John Owens
I don't think anyone goes to Heaven or Hell right now. There is no Eternal Hell spoken of in the scripture, unless you count the outer darkness reserved for Satan and the angels who follow Him. There will be a lake of fire kindled, but those cast into it will be burned up. They will not burn forever and ever and ever like the pagans who call themselves Christian believe. Revelation 20 is probably the easiest chapter in that whole book to understand, and so few read it, they have no clue.
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DiAna Donna DouGlas Yaleh
Carl...I hear ya loud & clear...but, don't knock any of us who like wearing robes! It's a kul feeling, actually...Makes ya feel like a "Swiffer." wowee. We are all meant to be humble worshippers of this Great Gift of Life & ,,,those who might be worthy of "worship"--like loving enlightenment muscles gods & safe non-bigoted angels & good citizens to protect us from all the hate crime heathens!
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Reverend Krystina S.
Well, this really brings the Christofascist bigots out, doesn't it? Let's put the Christ in Christian, then, shouldn't we? The one who did NOT judge others. The one who said there were only TWO laws: Love God and Love Others. NO Qualifications on the word "Love." What Would Jesus Do? Accept every human being in their humanity, their frailty, their imperfections-- and love each Perfectly. Don't even talk to me about "Biblical Marriage." Like incest, marrying sisters, your brother's wife, having babies with concubines, hundreds of concubines, even marrying outside the faith are all Biblical. Ri-i-ight. The point of Christ is the New Covenant, one based on love for others. Sorry some don't get that. I am awed that these two women have been committed to one another for 40 years, through good times and bad, in spite of the hatred and vituperation and cruelty around them. We should celebrate such LOVE.
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Lori
Nice, Rev. Krystina. Peace and love.
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Carl Elfstrom
Jesus was against the religion of his day. In keeping with that they included the old testament in the Bible to show Christians how not to be. Therefore, anyone who abides by the old testament is against the way of Jesus and cannot truly be a Christian. Much of what Jesus said and didn't say contradicts the old testament as well. St. Paul added some of his own beliefs of which Jesus never spoke of and should not have been included in a book of christian instruction, i.e. the Bible. I might have to start a new Christian sect that has its own book that only covers the teachings of Christ. Anyone care to join me? I've also got a brand new coffee pot, so we can stay up late while forming the first true Christian religion. And that sounds like a good thing to call it. The First True Christian Religion.
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Carl Elfstrom
P.S. Or better yet we could call it "Only The Teachings Of Jesus." Just food for thought.
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Lori
I don't know Carl. Are you sure the writings about Jesus are true? We don't REALLY know what he said. Only what others heard or think he said. Maybe a better name would be "Only the Teachings Of Jesus, As Far As We Know". or we can just skip the whole thing. Blessed be!
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John Owens
He was against the traditions of the Pharisees. He was not against the commandments of God.
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Carl Elfstrom
That makes sense,John. That could be how I read it in the Bible, all those many years ago. Memories fade. Thankyou for clarifying that.
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angel
I like your enthusiasm, but the reality is, Jesus never wrote a single verse in the bible. Personally, I'm not sure he even existed since his story is very similiar to many other cultures beliefs of their own deities. The old testament is a history story of some very outrageous claims that have been traced back since ancient Samaria. The new testament, what wasn't taken out, was mostly written by supposedly Jesus's disciples, who still have different accounts of his words, and used their own interpretations to build their own churches. But if you would like to start a new branch, my all means you should do it and maybe teach these people about....THE POINT...to love another. You don't have to agree with everything, but we are all part of this society, Unfortunately, and we still need to live together and function in a way that benefits everyone.
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I agree! Thank you.
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flugo
How can you, 'REV!?' Krystina utter such soppy, erroneous, generalities? Why, you don't know and/or are distorting the Scriptures! You said "The one who did NOT judge others." (referring to Christ) Jesus DID judge, discern, and categorize people.
Jesus in Matt 7:5, :15-:16 referred to the ungodly as pigs, dogs, false prophets. And in Matt 23:23 He called the unregenerate as serpents, vipers. In John 7:24 He said we are to exercise right judgement. And In Luke 17:3, Jesus tells us to rebuke a person who is sinning.
Only, with bias and/or ignorance can you ignore, explain away, or distort these Scriptures to your liking . . . . . and to your peril.. Jesus gave us the right/obligation to call a spade a spade, to call sin sin. We must do this in love . . . . . all the while being very discerning and evaluative of our own shortcomings..
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The Rev. Brother Robert Barker
bob: You assume everyone, like you, considers the bible the infallible, inerrant word of god. You're entitled to belief this fallacy if you wish but don't assume everyone else does. To many of us it is merely a book penned by human males over millennia, speaking of what they believed about god at that time. You need to read some books on the historical criticism of the bible as well as books as to how we came to have the bible with its current canonical books. The King James bible did not drop from heaven at the disciples feet after the mythical Ascension of Jesus. You will be surprised at what you don't know. I suggest books by the New Testament scholar Bart D. Ehrman to begin with. You also need to study a history of the early church which had many various interpretations of who Jesus was and what he taught. Also, study how the so-called "orthodox" (meaning "right truth") church came to be around 400 BC under Emperor Constantine.
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flugo
Barker: The good thing is . . . I don't have to argue, debate with 'quasi'/unbelievers.
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bob: If you "don't have to argue, debate with 'quasi'/unbelievers" then why are you here arguing? Why don't you leave?
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Carol W Waldenburg
I think we should just leave Bob F alone and not waste any time responding to the nonsense. He is obviously uneducated, and so egocentric that he does not believe that he needs to listen or be enlightened. He is his own worst enemy - let's let him be.
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Carl Elfstrom
Sin can be a lot of fun, if done in the right way. Your scriptures were always distorted, and were written by delusional schizophrenics who were then known as prophets.
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Carl Elfstrom
I think bobby f. only argues for the sake of arguing. And after spending all those years in isolation, locked up in the seclusion room of a mental asylum with only a Bible to read throughout his entire stay, and a white crayon to draw pretty pictures with his toes... And since his escape...
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The Rev. Brother Robert Barker
Is "bob fluetsch " and "bob" the same person? Is he pulling a fast one and trying to pass himself off as two different people?
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Carl Elfstrom
Bob might have more than one personality, so he might really be two people.At other times he might be Satan. I wouldn't be at all surprised.
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Carl Elfstrom
Good show Rev. Barker! I think we might have finally gotten rid of the Bobsy twins for Christ. But be on the lookout, for there will be more of them we'll need to send on their way. However, I visualize us some day being rid of all of those perverters of religion, and finally being able to address and discuss truly spiritual matters on this blog, totally uninterrupted, so we will finally start getting things accomplished for the good of the All. Hang in there and keep the faith (and I mean that in more than one way).
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angel
Your absolutely right, Bob,you should quote these scriptures to the next divorced couple or single moms in your church :)
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Dr asha sharma
Throughout history you will fine same sexual active. Who is without sin can make judgement on others. I am not aware of any one who has not sin. The One Almighty God is the only own who should judge us not you mortal human. You all are promotion hate and not in any way God like. Thought: what if God sent these people here to test our faith, and love for all.
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Carl Elfstrom
What is the meaning of fine same sexual active? Is it something like goobly gob? You and Wesley ought to get together. Y'all sound like soulmates. I'm about ready to say "Pour me another tequila, Sheila, and call it a night. Too many ministers are talking in tongues. I'd rather play with my tinker toys.
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John Owens
I think she meant "activity".
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Hoggdogg
READ LEVITICUS 18 22 THE 2 KNEW THAT'S WAS A CHRISTAIN ORZAGION AND IT JUST LIKE THE MAN HAD A BAKERY AND 2 GAYS WANTED HIM TO MAKE A CAKE HE SAID NO BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGION WELL THEY LOST AND THE 2 GIRLS ARE DOING THE SAM E WHY DO WE HAVE TO GIVE OUR REGLION . IT'S LIKE THEY TRYING TO FORCE THE WRIGHT ON CHRISTAINS HATE THE SIN AND LOVE THEM
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The Rev. Brother Robert Barker
Wesley Brown: Learn to spell, use grammar and punctuation before you post again. And ALL CAPS means you're screaming. Stop doing that too.
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flugo
Barker: You faulted Brown on his use of the English language. Clean up your own act! Your reply should have a comma in front of 'too', such as: 'Stop doing that, too.' Also, you're ASSuming that his use of caps mean screaming. Very faulty reasoning!
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Carl Elfstrom
There is not a word in the English language spelled ASSuming. We all make mistakes, and some try harder than others, but it does sometimes get frustrating to figure out what functioning illiterates are trying to say. However, this blog is for all ULC ministers who have something to say, regardless of their level of literacy, so we must sometimes grin and bear it.
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flugo
Barker, why don't you leave Wesley Brown alone? You, too, use incorrect grammar. Your last sentence PROPERLY written should have read: 'Stop doing that, too.' (a comma following 'that') And your 'ALL CAPS' statement is an ASSumpion. You do NOT know what his 'ALL CAPS' mean. You're only guessing. Shame on you!
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flugo
Robert Barker: Learn to use punctuation before you post again. Your last sentence should have read: "Stop doing that, too." (comma after 'that') And ALL CAPS does NOT always mean screaming! That's purely and ASSumption.
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REV GRACE
This platform is very interesting... lol
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flugo
Robert Barker: Learn to use punctuation before you post again. Your faulty sentence should have read: "Stop doing that, too." (a comma after 'that')
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REV. THEO KLEBES Interfaith Chaplin
Have any of you read Trump's tweets? Now there's project to grade!
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John Owens
Where did you first contract Trump Derangement Syndrome?
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skipNclair
If a man would or could learn from someone with the worst punctuation in the history of mankind would the wisdom or knowledge be any less valuble then if he learned it from the best person at punctuation?. I find it amazing that people cannot discuss a topic without going off topic. I am that worst person at punctutation so I offer this to put to use where you like. .......,,,,,,,???????""""""" I am also the worst at grammer so don't forgive me as I ask not to be forgiven, I am the victim of the public school system.
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Carol W Waldenburg
Te-He!!
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Carl Elfstrom
The Christian orzagion god Wesley described sounds evil, and not something I would ever believe in. It sounds even worse than that worthless christian god. Where is Orzagion anyway? Is it a planet in another galaxy?
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Carl Elfstrom
The guy who wrote Leviticus was a nelly old closet queen
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John Owens
Well, that whole book was on the tables of stone, Carl, contrary to popular belief.
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Carl Elfstrom
Yeah John, I believe that was what "she" used for the stone stage "she" performed dragshows on.
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John Owens
Well, actually I THINK it was on the tables of stone, because of this: LEV 27:34 " These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai. "
It doesn't literally say the whole book was carved on the tables of stone, but it says it was all given to Moses in the mountains of Sinai. It could well have been laser-etched into two large polished granite or marble stones.
Just an aside, you DO know that Solomon had granite columns erected on the shores of the Gulf of Aqaba where he believed the people of the Exodus crossed the Red Sea?
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Kay Burk
First off STOP YELLING!! Now, no one is asking you to give up your religion! So by all means go out and cry about how others being granted BASIC AMERICAN CITIZENS RIGHTS are violating yours! Better yet go back to the country of your origin circa 15th century and see what persecution is REALLY all about! Christians are not being attacked! They are being asked to sit down, shut up, and live their lives!! I don't run around screaming about the "Christians" are persecuting me, but in all actuality SOME OF YOU ARE! I pay bills, take out the trash, mow the lawn, and do everything else any other couple does! GET YOUR THOUGHTS AND EYES OUT OF OUR BEDROOMS! People see a straight couple walking around hand in hand and they don't get a second thought, but see a gay/lesbian couple and minds go straight to our bedroom! IF YOU WANT TO PAY MY BILLS, CLEAN MY HOUSE, FEED MY FAMILY AND FURBABIES, MOW MY LAWN, AND DO MY LAUNDRY COME ON OVER AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT YOUR OPINION, UNTIL THEN SHUT UP! ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE!!
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Dr asha sharma
This is so very sad the the so call Christian society is so against fellow humans. THE One Almighty Omnipresent God love all. It says God is love and loves all
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John Owens
Why do you paint all Christian society with the same brush? I am sure you don't want all Muslims painted with the same brush, or all of any group. So why do you consider it acceptable to paint all Christians as being the same?
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Dr asha sharma
I have never painted all Christians the same the issue here is one set of people who call them self Christians. Read and try to understand what was said and in what context and I do not know much about Muslims and what there views are in this matter. Be blessed
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John Owens
The "so call Christian society is so against fellow humans"? That isn't speaking of all Christians? How else is one to understand that?
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Rev. John D. Partin
John Owens, what part of "so call(ed) Christian society", as stated by Dr. Asha Sharma, didn't you understand? Because it, quite clearly, only referred to those people who just call themselves "Christians", but actually aren't! You know, bigoted and self-righteous people, such as yourself, who try to "justify" yourselves through a pretense of being "Christians". If all Christians had actually been meant, the statement would have said "the so called and actual Christians, too". Actual non-bigoted and non-judgmental Christians, obviously, weren't meant at all by her statement.
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Katie Kelley
Jesus never said ANYthing about homosexuality OR abortion. He DID say to love your neighbor and to treat all people well. He DID say that anyone who molested a child deserved to have been drowned at birth. Think about that trumpfnazi supporters.
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John Owens
What has this to do with Trump?
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Carl Elfstrom
In a manner of speaking, I think she just called our beloved president a Nazi. I didn't vote for Trump, even though I'm a Republican, and next time am likely to vote straight party Democrat, but while he is in office he is our president and I will not bad mouth him, but feel it is my patriotic duty to support him.
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John Owens
The democrats are much more Nazi-esque than the Republicans, and they normally accuse others of what they, themselves are doing.
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Dr asha sharma
Totally agree we should not say negative things about our president, or any other human being created by The One Omnipresent GOD we are all one specie HUMAN some thing we have forgotten due to our own ego which is out of control. Less try to find good in all during this troubling times
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Rev. John D. Partin
Carl Elfstrom, we don't owe Trump L. Stiltskin or any other president just blind loyalty and obedience and agreement, no matter what he does or how he acts or thinks or talks. When he is right, support him, but when he is wrong, oppose him. "My President and my country, right or wrong" is stupid and for suckers and chumps!!
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The Bible, Kelly, forbids us to criticize our leaders. 'Curse not the king."
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bob: And I sure you didn't bad-mouth President Obama. LOL
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flugo
I did not! From childhood, I was taught it was wrong to verbalize and act out criticism of our leaders.. I admit having thoughts about their incompetencies, etc. But, in prayer I confessed the error of my way and prayed the Lord direct the leader.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Bob, Hitler was the leader for 12 years in Germany, but you can bet that every thinking German, in the privacy of their home (and not in public where it would result in their execution!) verbalized and acted out criticism of Der Fuhrer and it was certainly right for them to do so. We, who don't have to worry about being executed for criticizing our leaders, have even more reason, freedom, and responsibility to do so, when tbey are wrong, as Trumpelstiltskin or Adolf Jr. certainly is!!
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Carol W Waldenburg
Kathleen you just called the president of our country an nazi and that's SO wrong on so many levels no matter who you voted for.
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Kay Burk
He is a Nazi!
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John Owens
You need to learn the meaning of Nazi. It has nothing to do with Trump.
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Maria
Why would you call our President a Nazi? Has he murdered anyone? Has he tortured women and children? Has he killed unborn babies? Has he cut open men and women without anesthesia to experiment on them? Hitler was a sick SOB!!! How dare you even use that as a comparison for a man who wants nothing but great things for our country! This country is going to pots and all this man wants to do is keep everyone safe, create jobs, take people off of welfare who don’t need it, prevent illegals from entering our country as many are criminals, etc! And he’s not saying people can not enter our country either! Just come here legally, go through the process like our ancestors did and PAY DAMN TAXES!!! He may not be perfect and I may not agree with everything he stands for but I certainly wouldn’t call him a Nazi!
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John Owens
It just sounds like a good bad thing to call someone, I guess, never mind the actual meaning comes much closer to his enemies than him. Fascist, too, describes the Left much more closely than the Right.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Maria, the neo-Nazis aren't murdering people or torturing women and children or killing unborn babies or cutting men and women open without anesthesia to perform medical experiments on them, either! So, do we let them off the hook and not consider them Nazis because they aren't doing all of that? No! Because what they are still doing makes them Nazis enough to earn the name! The same goes for Trumpelstiltskin, in his separating children from their families at the border, having the support of white nationalist and racist groups and saying "they are very fine people", belittling deceased Senator John McCain as "not a real hero", and using deceit, lies, manipulation, and trickery to hold on to his base and maintain and advance in power, just as his mentor Adolf did!! He has told coming up on or passing now 7,000 lies since he stole the presidency, according to The Washington Post!! It doesn't matter, therefore, if he is doing a few good or not so bad things, too, the same as even Hitler and the Nazis did, despite themselves, since what he is doing wrong far outweighs all of that!!
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You have no IDEA what a Nazi or a KKK member is. You only attack the Different and Separate Groups because they are mostly Whites in the memberships,
Charleston, The KKK had a permit from the City to hold a peaceful protest Leftwing liberals Did NOT have a Permit to Counter protest Liberals with all their hate of anything that is not their thoughts STARTED To get VIOLENT Result a Liberal Hater Died
You need to respect other beliefs that are different than your own Liberal beliefs
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flugo
'K ath K ell K razy': How did you get your 'educational' credentials . . . corn flakes box top? cracker jacks prize? diploma mill?
Jesus DID say a man and a woman in marriage (NOT homosexual union). Matthew 19:4,5 Jesus(God) NEVER said treat all people well! God(Jesus) hates. Psalm 5:5 Jesus rebukes and labels. Matthew 7:6, 15-16 WHERE did Jesus say child molesters are to be drowned at birth? Where?
You'd avoid further embarrassment by knowing what your're talking about; not just blathering diatribe
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Chad- hypochristian. Delphine- re-read what you posted, then read the New Testament. I think you are either abit confused,or just leaning on Old Testament laws.
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'Rev' ('revulsion') Joe, you didn't read Delphine's New Testament references? Are you blind? Or do you pick and choose to support your bias? She faithfully supported her position with a balance of OT and NT. references. You owe her an apology. And you owe all who see your title 'Rev" an apology . . . . . what a misnomer!
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The Rev. Brother Robert Barker
bob: As I stated above, Reverend is not reserved only for Christians. I owe no one an apology. You owe me one for calling me a "revulsion" though.
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bob: You owe Rev. Joe and apology, also.
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Dr. Tinsley Keefe
Look up “West Wing Bible Lesson” to see just how absurd so many things in the Bible are....ugh what bigots!!
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Delphine Manigo
Word of God: I believe in the Father, His Son, Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit that connects us to HIM. Get to know Jesus, you will find God, Get connected to the Holy Spirit and He will be your comforter, Teacher, provide knowledge that you are seeking. GOD LOVES ALL, NO ONE IS EXEMPT, BUT HE WILL NOT ACCEPT ALL BEHAVIOR. GOD IS AWESOME, HE IS WONDERFUL, HE PROVIDED US WITH HIS PRECIOUS SON, WHO HAS NEVER SIN AND DIED ON THE CROSS FOR US FOR OUR SIN. JESUS RELEASED US FROM THE BONDAGE OF SIN WHEN WE ACCEPTED HIM AS OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR. WE SHOULD LOVE AND ADORE HIM, WE SHOULD CHERISH THE BLOOD THAT WAS SHED ON OUR BEHALF. To know God, His Son, Lord Jesus Christ, we need to connect to Him spiritually. Getting to know Jesus and His Word is one of the ways toward that directions. If God said it, I believe it and I will align myself with Him and His word forever and forever. No matter what!!!!
GOD DID SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE SHOULD ADORE AND APPRECIATE. HE GAVE US "FREE WILL". FREE WILL GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACCEPT HIS SON, LORD JESUS CHRIST, OR YOU CAN WALK AWAY. IT IS UP TO YOU WHAT YOU DECIDE. KNOW THIS, ME AND MY HOUSE WILL BE SERVING GOD FOREVER AND EVER. I WILL NOT IGNORE HIM, I WILL STAND AND ALIGN MYSELF WITH HIM AND HIS WORD FOREVER AND EVER THROUGH HIS SON, LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT INDWELLETH US. God has so many people singing and saying, Holy, Holy, Holy, because He is, He does not need to force anyone to do that. He is Worthy to be Praised. I love and Adore Him and will never align myself to something that is against what He says or said. I bow now, because every knee will bow and every tongue will confess and admit that He is Lord. I do that now. He is excellent in all of His ways and He is worthy to be praised.
NOW where does that leave me a sinner who has accepted His Son, Lord Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and will continually pray for and intercede for anyone who has not Accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior - In the hands of God through His Son Lord Jesus Christ NOW where does that leave a Gay or Lesbian - In the hands of God through His Son Lord Jesus Christ NOW where does that leave a person having sex without being married - In the hands of God through His Son, Lord Jesus Christ NOW where does that leave a married person having sex with someone who is not their wife or husband - In the hands of God through His Son, Lord Jesus Christ. NOW where does that leave liars, cheaters, people who molest children and all who don't want to know HIM - In the hands of God through His Son, Lord Jesus Christ.
GOD does not like premarital sexual relationships GOD does not like a married person having sex with someone who that person is not married to. GOD does not like a man having sex with a man GOD does not like a woman having sex with a woman
Verses About Abomination Bible verses related to Abomination from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance
Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
Proverbs 6:16-19 - These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: (Read More...)
Proverbs 17:15 - He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both [are] abomination to the LORD.
Deuteronomy 22:5 - The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (Read More...)
Galatians 5:19-21 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (Read More...)
Romans 1:26-27 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (Read More...)
Proverbs 12:22 - Lying lips [are] abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly [are] his delight.
Proverbs 15:8 - The sacrifice of the wicked [is] an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright [is] his delight.
Proverbs 16:5 - Every one [that is] proud in heart [is] an abomination to the LORD: [though] hand [join] in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
Proverbs 28:9 - He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination.
Proverbs 11:20 - They that are of a froward heart [are] abomination to the LORD: but [such as are] upright in [their] way [are] his delight.
Proverbs 20:10 - Divers weights, [and] divers measures, both of them [are] alike abomination to the LORD.
Proverbs 15:26 - The thoughts of the wicked [are] an abomination to the LORD: but [the words] of the pure [are] pleasant words.
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Clayton Beardmore
Delphine - Perfect!
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DiAna Donna DouGlas Yaleh
Delphine is an Islamic hate crime heathen bigot who does not know the Free & Right & Noble & Liberal Spirit of SIon & the Law of One Spirit...Moses told Joshua right before he died: for men to ravish one another in love & to sleep with one another...Psalms also talks about being gay as Shah Daud reports of the sucking of the angels...And that these Sionik Jews did not believe in GOD, the Elohim Establishment who exalted Themselves being called GOD...Jeremiah says they ARE NOT GOD...Jesus defended all the Gay Virgins of the same typical Meat-rack as now in modern day...And St. Paul says Jesus was GayHorse & crucified because he was falsely accused, as you heathens are so falsely accusing him & all his gay brothers & sisters in the One Spirit Libertarian Humanitarian Lord. You are all deceived by your Anglican KJV & other modern translations that are NOT CORRECT from the GREEK & HEBREW....LISTEN TO ME FOR ONCE & LEARN YOU ASSHOLES!
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preacher richard h.
saying Jesus defended Homosexuals tells me an others You are NOT have the Concept of GOD , JESUS an the word SIN. GOD , JESUS Talked against Homosexuality Because it was SIN
GOD Nor JESUS would or COULD condone SIN
SIMPLE as THAT.
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DiAna Donna DouGlas Yaleh
Read Revelations 14.4 & 5 you ignoramus...Jesus was crucified because he was guy & rather than throw himself off the pinnacle, as Islam does or hang...GayHorse was having that satan inner dialogue...and didn't jump because his Father Gabriel & the plan was to resurrect him to prove our Gay justification in the Holi One Spirit of Divine Love...The English interpretations of the Bible are LIES...period...My translations prove it all....Old & New Testaments of the "canonized" books.
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The Rev. Brother Robert Barker
Delphine Manigo You can preach and quote the bible in ALL CAPS from now until the end of the universe and it doesn't make it TRUE or GOD'S WORD! The bible is merely a human book written by males over millennia and it only describes what these males believed about god at that time and place and is NOT an absolute standard to measure beliefs or ethics at any time.
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MicheaLuna
Thank you Rev Robert B. I was hoping I was not the only one crushed by the above responses. I’m pretty certain that no one alive today has any first hand knowledge of creator, God, Jehova, Father, Son, or Holy Ghost and am also fairly certain that the top 10 ‘laws’ are broken daily by those looked up to and even admired. Y’all who are without sin just throw those stones but beware your glasshouses. The greatest of laws is love. In order to receive that signed and paid for forgiveness we must first forgive our trespassers. I thought we were here on this site because most of the moral majority warmed pews and cast not their lot into the internet lol. Ah well maybe we shall all be surprised by those seated next to us if we have the ability to sit ?
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Uhl Kelley
Bad behavior??? A man. Not God write the good book. So that man, decided what Bad and good was... I do not pretend the for mention scripture is not in the Bible. But we can all agree I can pick and choose any verse to support my beliefs. We are however common in one thing... humans.. I choose, yes choose, to be a good, loving, kind, giving person to everyone. My goodness if we could approach everyone with a kindness we want for ourselves. We would see truth and light. As I think God intended. That we all know. Because we feel it in our gut..when we are mean for no reason. We feel it inside. Be kind to each other. We all have the same fate... death. So help make life wonderful. For everyone. Thanks for listening K. Uhl
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James
Good words Uhi... But do know "feelings in our gut" are expressions of EGO. Experience them w/ wisdom & discretion.
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flugo
The 'Rev' in front of your name, Barker, stands for 'revulsion'. How can you comment on Delphine's article as you did? Your comments are blasphemous, and according to God's Word, you're a fool! You're, also, a disgrace to Christiandom. The Scriptures were written by men, moved/inspired by the Spirit of God. They are eternal, life-giving and without error in the original Repent!
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The Rev. Brother Robert Barker
bob: "Rev" doesn't mean "Christian" nor is it reserved for ONLY Christian use. How can I be a disgrace to Christendom when I am not a Christian. Being ordained in the ULC does mean one is a Christian. ULC is pan religious and favors no one religion. I have nothing to repent of. I say to you though, "Physician, heal yourself."
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REV GRACE
This person is evil and a big fool and hell is wide open to receive you. How could you possibly be a Rev to the devils kingdom...weird...
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James
Unsure of the "exact" point here. But, from what we know & how we understand the teachings. it is NOT possible to sin against GOD, nor is it possible to sin against LOVE, Nor is it possible to perform blasphemy. One can only sin against themselves. How the universe (god) dances w/ anything out of sync w/ existence is up to the universe to act / react.
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Carol W Waldenburg
Bob, please take the TREE out of your eye before you judge anyone here . . .
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G Dobson
Agree wholeheartedly Robert!
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Lori
Rev. Robert... you are right on. God is universal and not just for the Christians. God is all things to everyone. Christianity has closed their minds and hearts so they believe only "they" hold the secrets of divinity. They wave their "book" around like a weapon. It's a very sad and selfish way of looking at things, and I believe that Jesus would be appalled. It is a way of thinking that is slowly dying away, as it should. Evolution and Spirit make way for a truly loving people. Change in consciousness brings the cycle round. Religions come and go, but the creative powers are constantly creating a new path forward. I hope these loving women gain their power over the close minded dinosaurs.
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James
@ Lori --- AMEN
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DiAna Donna DouGlas Yaleh
but it is correct, Rev. Barker, WHEN correctly interpretively translated by Msgr. Haril DiAna Donna DouGlas...Al-Wahird Ad-Duha Theophanes Omulangira DouGLas...Jesus's Prophecied Voice of Many Waters...The Word Over The World..."There's a Seabird above us gliding" IN A CLOUD like [this same] Jesus "in the sky"....Another Lamb Slain...by the heathen hate crime local Syn. of Ishlamic Hezbollah Satan & Dungeons & Dragons cult. The bible needs no debunking or criticism...When it's correctly translated.. The only thing "Islamic" in the bible is Musa's Pentateuch...After Joshua, all the scriptures are Sionik & against the Elohim called & exalted as GOD..jeremiah says they're not, nor worthy of such exaltation. Really,
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flugo
Excellent, Delphine!
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Carl Elfstrom
Delphine, are you saying your god likes to put his hands on those kinds of people while they're having sex? That sounds kind of kinky. Does he get off to that, or what?
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flugo
Carl: Use some intelligence for a change! Delphine said repeatedly 'IN the hands of God'. For the intellectually inclined it's easy to note the difference. One can have something IN one's hand, yet not have one's hand ON it.
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Carl Elfstrom
Bob, I bet you'd feel better if you didn't concern yourself with my sarcastic puns. Not everything on this blog is meant to be taken seriously.
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flugo
Carl, your innuendos of God's enjoying putting His hands on copulating couples; His alleged kinkiness, border on gross disrespect, if not blasphemy, toward the holy, eternal, righteous living God.. And, He takes it seriously!
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biblical scholar
If God is everywhere (as the infallible holy scriptures say) then he is indeed chronically touching copulating couples. Or, at the very least, watching them fornicate from the corner of the room. Doesn't that make God a bit of a perv?
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Carol W Waldenburg
LOL!!
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James
@ Dr Ram... LOL... in physical terms... That is one great spin.. LOL
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Kay Burk
Carl, that is completely uncalled for! Grow up!
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Tuna Fishing Net
dolphin, behold the word of your god: (Ezekiel 23:20) "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled." You want some of that too?
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Lori
Yes.... All of us evil people are going to party in HELL!!!! But since it's not a real place we'll have to find somewhere else. Delphine, I'm sure we'll see you there. You are such a bible thump-er, not able to think and reason for yourself. Do you realize how much it turns others off. Instead of bringing people into the fold, which is what you're suppose to be doing in a loving way, you are driving them away. Does that really make sense to you? Anyway, this lesbian couple has lived together for 40 some odd years loving and caring for each other. And you see that as an act of evil? Would Jesus see it that way? Do you think he would care what your bible says? He was a pretty radical guy. I think he'd be throwing your "book" words back in your face.
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Kay Burk
Lori, Well said!
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How would Ezekiel know,unless of course he tried it....just sayin...
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Susan Acevedo
Jesus loved everyone. That's why be cam, to show us to love everyone. He said he without sin cast the first stone. He said wanted everyone to be loved. We are all brothers and sisters so we should love each other. Read the new testament!
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Carlos Belsham
Sister Delphine, I am thankfuk for your post. I am still persuing to find a way to assimilate being gay is not a choice. If I may say They are born that way. Because of their internal sexual desire; they are an abomination. My son and my niece are gay. I love them; but I love God above all. Yet, God and the Son Christ Jesus is all about Love. I am preplexed; but my Faith and Trust in the Lord Father and Son is my guide. I love every one; despite of their sexual orientation. My sexual orientation is not homosexual. But that is the way I was born. If I were born Homosexual; I would still love God and the Son Christ Jesus; despite I would be rejected, I would have been born that way, without choice; contrary to God’s wishes. My query is what if The Word was created for the signs of the time, long ago, where inmorality ran rampid; and The Word saw it appropiate for mankind not to swich sexual partners at will, inclduing animals and relatives. Time and chemical corruption in insemination could have created havoc in the miracle of birth, not intended by our our Lord, because Adam and Eve sin we are now here. I ask your forgiveness for doubting my Father’s Words. I am like you; in my hear lives the Holy Spirit, and I will comply with my Fathers commandments and guidelines, which you beautifully wrote down. I thank you. I wish you success.
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maayan novis
Nice rant
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REV GRACE
Well said. Bkess the Lord.
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Cynthia Maxwell
Why did Jesus die on the cross? I thought everybody fell short of Gods standards NO MAN IS PERFECT. DID WE FORGET ABOUT THE NEW COVENANT? I THOUGHT God meet us just as we are. He cleans the fish after he catch fish. What is the greatest commandment , LOVE. What about mercy I thought GOD was a God of mercy.
Have you forgotten Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."
I'd much rather be under mercy and Grace than the Law. That's why there is the NEW COVENANT
Hebrews 8:10
Stop thinking about laws think about Gods love and his mercy and his Grace Learn more about the NEW COVENANT
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John Owens
Apparently you have not read the words of the New Covenant. It says nothing about doing away with any law, and furthermore it is very specific as to whom it will be extended.
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Jose Garcia
Amen Hallelujah Jesus !!! Jesus gave us the Spirit of truth and you just spoke the truth Amen
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Ivonne
Grow up! Discrimation is discrimination, it does not matter the form. It all has to do with people being ignorant. I am not gay, but I think that there is a lot of ignorant people. The "Lord" did not say anything to you, and by the way, if he did, he would not say for you to be hateful. You talk about purity, but how were you born into this world? Your father had to hump your mother, Be real!
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James
Connects us to "HIM". I was unaware that GOD (LOVE) had a gender. GOD is LOVE. LOVE has no gender. Its a unisex energy of "the creator".
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Rev. John D. Partin
Delphine Manigo, you can quote Bible verses from now on every day until the end of your life and wrap your homophobia in all the pseudoscientific and pseudosophisticated rigmarole and camouflage that you want, but until you can prove that the Bible writers didn't just put their words into "God's mouth" to "sanctify" and "justify" them and impose them on other people easier, and all of that camouflage can actually transform what is underneath all of that into what the camouflage appears to be, you have wasted your time with all of that and haven't proved anything! So, prove that the Bible writers didn't put their own views about homosexuality into "God's mouth", if you can. Good luck with that!
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Chad V. Westfall
If gays are so great, then there should be PLENTY of HIGH-QUALITY places willing to house them. Frinedship Village and its residents don't want to be around that, so they shouldn't have to. They should have the CHOICE of what KIND of community they build!
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Stephanie Willey
Chad, by your logic here, if it's OK to discriminate against these lesbians then is it OK to discriminate against Blacks, Muslims, Christians, red headed people, the elderly, educated people, uneducated people ? Discrimination is wrong, period !!
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flugo
Stephanie, wise up! A BIBLICAL basis supposedly was the issue, which homosexuality is addressed in the Scriptures. NOT the Blacks, red heads, elderly, etc you so incorrectly misused.
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Chad V. Westfall
The bible also says cutting your hair is an abomination or trimming your facial hair so bye felicia!
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flugo
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Correct Bob. I think that is in Numbers 6. Samson, Samuel, and John the baptizer were all Nazarites. They also were forbidden to eat or drink anything from a grape.
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George
Lev. 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
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James FRANEY
If you are a Christian you should be quoting stuff from Matthew on word. Not Leviticus. The Old Testament serves as a historical reference only. It was a time of law, both the death burial and resurrection of Jesus we are now under the time of Grace. So claiming the Bible forbids cutting of a beard would be quoting the Bible incorrectly.
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John Owens
James, I know that what you say is a common conception, but Jesus said not one jot or tittle would pass away from the law. Also, the New Covenant does not say it will do away with the law. There is also no scripture that says there is any such thing as OT and NT, nor that says to disregard the OT as it is only a reference. Besides, how can it be a reference if it is never spoken?
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John Owens
The Nazarite separation stuff is in Numbers 6:1 "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 6:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD: ..."
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preacher richard h.
Leviticus is a book in the Old Test. that lays out rules for Holiness, outlines the way Jews should sacrifice Preach live in Daily life,
To use cutting hair to Cross dressing an Homosexuality is ridiculous.
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James
Lev. 19:27 ? Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard ? < ---- Ok, It that even the correct verbiage (translations) & etomoligy of the original usage & working. What does all that mean in the times it was written? 1500 / 2k years ago VS how are we to interpreted it today? How will that be interpreted in another 2k years. Appears many ppl need a few lessons in Epistemology.
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James
@ James F... Great point... Egocentric predicament does hold a lot of phaneron in interpretation. Does solipsism dictate accuracy?
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Sam
Bible was written, re-written and passed down through the ages by....wait for it.....man...and therefore subject to interpretation by man, reconstructed by each church to carry its own individual meaning to its parishioners.....the ownly person to know the exact true meaning intended by the bible is God and the individual God first instructed to write down his laws....unless you've spoken directly with them recently even you don't know the actual intent of the bible....all creatures were created and are loved by god...you however, do not show very much humanity.....perhaps you need to meditate on why you feel such animosity. ..
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Thomas Thompson
Great answer, if you can find true love, go for it. I agree with men writting the bible, and using their interpetation. They made their selves to seem more worthy of Gods word.
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flugo
Where is God's Word does it say '. . . . all creatures were created and are loved by God. . . ..'? Where?
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flugo
Where, Sam?
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James
All biblical books are hearsay. Who meant what 100 to 500 years AD? Then mistranslate & construe. IE; Gods love? Is that even possible? If GOD = LOVE and God IS love. How can love, "love" something or some one? The meaning of copious words and meanings are just not being seen as intended as written 2k years ago.
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Rev. Bradley
For my self and my fellow ministers here in Canada we teach love and acceptance for all. If a gay couple wants to love and praise God we don't stop them any Christian that discriminates against someone else are not true Christian's. I am a firm believer that love is love and God loves love. I am one of million Rev. And Pastros in Canada that think this. The whole idea of family was made by God. So please, just remember that God house is every human on earth's house. I'm sadden to see that Christian's still practice hypocrisy in the world. I don't mean to offend but I have the freedom of speech and I have the right to place my opinion on matters such as these as man of God and of Canada
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flugo
Bradley: Your Canadian 'opinion' of God is quite common these days. ' Love this, love that, accept whatever, tolerate anything' seems to be popular. But, God's eternal,holy Word has a different view!
God judges and hates! Proverbs 6:16-19 (7 things); Leviticus 18:22 (homosexuality) Malachi 2:16 (divorce)
Jesus judged in Matthew 7:6, :15-:16 (dogs, pigs, false prophets) and Matthew 23:23, (hypocrites, etc) among many places. He .also, encouraged us to judge.in John 7:24 (rightly) and Luke 17:3 (rebuke).
There is NOTHING wrong for us to be discerning, perceptive and judgmental of another person's behavior, attitude and sin. As does our Heavenly Father, we are to love the sinner, yet hate the sin.
Your lop-sided, biased view of God and His righteousness is the distortion of the Scriptures, if not blasphemous.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Bob, you wise up! The Biblical basis of homophobia is bigotry, the same as anti-Semitism in Mein Kampf and anti-black and anti-Catholic views in any Klan or white racist writings, .and no more deserve to be listened to or followed than those racist writings do.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Bob, you wise up! A Biblical basis for homophobia is as bigoted and wrong as any basis outside of the Bible for it is and it's prejudice just as surely as hating black people or redheads or the elderly or any other group is!!
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Stephanie you are comparing apples and oranges. I personally would not and will never place Blacks Christians in the same list as gays . The others you listed is just nonsense. so will not be addressed. Why do we have African Americans Caucus and Hispanic Caucus in congress and they do not allow other races to be members is that discrimination. Why was Affirmative action established? That was a horrid discriminatory program. I sat next to what appeared to be two white young men who apply for financial aid. they were upset because they could not meet criteria for minority. not black not Hispanic not native American. I turned to them I asked what was their family nationality? One state Romanian and the other stated his family was Italian. I said look around boys how many Romanian do you think are attending school here and Italian. the light went on they both check other minority and bam affirmative action.. so you like so many are just so feely touchy and do not use your brains to THINK.
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REV GRACE
You too need to look at your life in spiritual opened eyes if tippi are not one of them, if you may be a gay then come back to Jesus. You sound racist when you compare sin with the blacks and muslims. Muslims especially will never adorn a sin of same sex marriage and they are coming to Jesus for salvation of their soul. Jesus is the everything...
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preacher richard h.
People cant choose what race they are but they can Choose who they Lay with Its a sickness that can be cured with Therapy Meds an Individual restraint in their choices
Just as an Alcoholic deals with Daily "one day at a time"
So to a homosexual can say "I'm Not Gay Just for Today" \ Problem solved amen
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James
Choose a race, color or ??? Yes, coming in to this world as a spiritual being having a human experience as we know it IS a choice by the spirit / life force that enters the being (baby) when conceived / born... Also, being GAY is not from a med / drug deficiency. Taking drugs? Thou shall not defyth they temple. A large brick in the wall for mental / emotional gender conflict is (in part) a factor that is alterable by modifying the cellular / the 2nd brains microbial balance. Altho this has been known for 40+ years... Mainstream science is finally starting to catch up a tiny bit... https://www.google.com/search?q=the+2nd+brain&rlz=1C1PRFC_enUS721US722&oq=the+2nd+brain&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2464j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 .
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Michael Lisi
Stephanie, you make the mistake of over generalizing here. The retirement organization clearly states its ideas concerning marriage. And as a private company, they have the right to vet their applicants to ensure they meet the requirements of the company. Don't fault a company because they adhere to the tenets of any religion. Celebrate their efforts to abide to the doctrines outlined in that religion. Far too few are able to follow tradition and that's where the enemy awaits us all. When we deviate from the standards we lessen those standards.
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flugo
Excellent, Michael!
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MicheaLuna
Wow Chad!! Do you even belong to themonastery.org ?
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flugo
Right on, Chad!
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Carl Elfstrom
As soon as I win a lottery jackpot I'll open a retirement home and social center for old gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals, and try-sexuals, probably on Galveston Island, or nearby.
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Carl Elfstrom
P.S. If enough Wiccans and other occultists would direct enough money magick my way I'm sure it won't take long, especially now that I'm fifty five, which says a lot for a natural Witch like me. Blessed be !
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Lori
Lol. Blessed be, Carl.
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Carl Elfstrom
Thankyou sister Lori for your support. I think highly of the things you say,too. Blessed be !
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Nathaniel Robert Hunt
I have thought of that myself
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Carl Elfstrom
There are many high quality places which very happily house gays, and some of them are owned by gays, some whom which refuse to do business with the likes of you.
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Bernice
In your case ignorance truly is bliss.
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David Tolly
The Bible is utterly wrong. It was written by people 4,000 years ago. They were not enlightened. They were afraid of the unknown and made up myths to explain what they didn't understand. Homosexuality was quite common in ancient times and just because someone chose to write against it in one or two of the books of the bible doesn't make it so. This is so outrageous....and I'm not gay.....I just believe in the grace of god and free expression of love for each other that should compassionately embrace this couple.
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skipNclair
The Bible is not the word or words of man, the Bible is the word of God. So as it is wrtten through man, the author is God, gifting them on exactly what he wished to be written.
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flugo
Right on, Skip!
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James
Written "thru" humans ?. Humans that translate, interpret, spin, view as they see fit. ~If one not believe it they would never have seen it~. Egotistical Phaneron & Apophenia (Pareidolia) is at play here when it comes to alllllll the views expressed on the 1000's of opinions i have read. few are on the same pg. 8 billion ppl? 8 billion religions / believes. All w/ their own personal spin.
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Rev. John D. Partin
skipNclair, prove that the Bible is the word of God and not the words of the men who wrote it!! You can't!! When human bigotry, such as that against homosexuality, appears in the Bible and God isn't a bigot, that is my and every reasonable person's proof that those words and the Bible are the words of man and not of God, except when it tells us to love one another.
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flugo
Tolly, what you believe has NOTHING to do with truth. You sound like a card-carrying member of the 'Flat Earth Society'. . . . . if you believe it, it must be truth!
There has to be a 'standard', a benchmark by which to measure truth. And, God's Word is it! Your comment: '. . . I just believe in the grace of god and free expression of love for each other . . . .' is absurd!
Incest, homosexuality, bestiality, paedophilia, fornication could all fall under your umbrella of 'free expression of love'.
Your resisting God's Word reminds me a hammer trying to shape the anvil . . . . sheer folly!
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These people are human beings, whilst most humans have a percentage of male and female genes within them, and if your conscience that has failed you all your life allowing you to do bad things,even masturbatting when no one was looking, you dirty little toe rag, and you evoke your own broken conscience upon others then that's,
knowing what secrets you yourself keep and continue to fester in your own sordid dirty little mind,which is equally and moraley repugnant and criminally wrong to encroach upon someone else's life. .Because it s not up to anyone but the couple to decide whom will be their partners in this life. Remembering, that the Greeks the Romans the Persians and the Macadonians, and the Olympians,and the Spartans all had boyfriends for a while then later were forced to take wives for themselves by decree. Me i am married with 4 children all grown up ,and no ime not Gay , But i feel i am wiser and have a greater understanding about life and people. Yes i am also a Master Hypnotist and N.L.P. Expert,pluss ime an Author of four books on (Amazon Christopher Lord Evans ), specializing in wisdom and sufferance of real reality.
Whilst yes i perform a process where anyone can become whatever they wish and absorb all the positive qualities from anyone dead or alive and they actually meet them and receive all their power of success, whomever it may be. No one should interfere with these ladys lives , as there is enough pain and suffering in this world,leave them be.-
Susan Marie
Sometimes, You just can't fix Stupid!
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Sam
I'm happy I don't know you or anyone as ignorant as you....near in mind ...karma will come back around and bite you where it hurts...
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Anita Ganser
You don't have a choice if someone gay lives in your neighborhood now. Why would you think you can pick and choose your neighbors there?
I understand the guidelines but if they said no blacks, no straights, no white men... You would have a problem.
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James
I could care less if my neighbors are gay / straight, black / white. Thats their kuleana / walk w/ the ultimate lord (laws). How they conduct themselves is more my focus. All ppl can be Gr8 or problematic. Is no one under 60 (senior facility) discrimination?
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mr man
I am a Minister here and agree that a Man , Woman union is Gods commitment no other can be honored . If you agree with Sodom and Gomorrah than Hell You will pay.
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Nathaniel Robert Hunt
But your belief has nothing to do/no power over people who don't follow your religion
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flugo
Mr. Man's comments are not meant to be power over those who differ with him. He is declaring what the Almighty, Eternal, Righteous, Loving, Forgiving Heavenly Father has instituted.
It's God's Word and to resist it is like the hammer beating against the anvil. . . . . folly!-
Lori
Yup. Spread the love around! That will bring those sinners to Christianity! Oh no, I think I saw them all heading for the hills!!1
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James
They WILL have hell to pay? Thats judgment passing.... https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-on-judging/ .
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flugo
J: You're 'pissing into the wind', as usual. Passing judgement IS necessary and a proper thing to do.
Jesus passed judgement: Matthew 7:6,15-16 Matthew 23:23. Jesus , also, told us to judge: John 7:24; Luke 17:3.
It's part of life - discerning and evaluating behavior .. . . . . .yes, 'judgment passing' as you say. One can dislike the behavior without disliking the person.
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Lori
BobIF...In your vast experience of judging and discerning peoples behavior, do you truly feel you can bring people to "God" by beating them down with your biblical verses? Don't you think it just turns off anyone with half a brain? Perhaps you think everyone, other than you and your bible thumping friends, is rather stupid and will bow down in fear because you are presenting the only truth (that you are capable of seeing)? It seems that people are getting smarter and disinterested in being brain washed. I hear Jim Jones was a pretty good bible thump-er.......and many other bible thumping preachers have emptied the pockets of their followers while living in luxury. People are finally rejecting the BS that has been used as an attempt to control the followers.
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DiAna Donna DouGlas Yaleh
Bigoted Hate-Crime Heathens have no such right to Blaspheme the Holi Ghost of beautiful Christ Spirit-filled citizens who have done nothing to anyone. Friendship Village are obviously a bunch of Prophet Muhammad's bigoted demons of ignorance...I AM out BEST BIBLE TRANSLATER, as Jay Leno said: and I Am the Prophesied Voice of Many Waters..."Another Lamb Slain" by Local Hezbollah bigoted disciples of Ishlam, not Zionik Judaic Kharistien...The Bible is totally GAY defense AFTER THE DEATH OF MUSA WHEN HE REPENTED TO JOSHUA & said that past was a lie...Not to believe THEIR "GOD"---and to Ravish Fathers & Sleep With One Another & enjoy the Sweet Resin [come] of the Angels...and St. Paul tells us Jesus was gay in the Letters...The Real Reason for his Death Sentence..cause he was gay...and falsely accused by the Ishlamic San Hedrin...And Jesus {GayHorse} defends all the Gay Virgins on the MEAT RACK...and said Not to Harm them...so bigots don't know the Scriptures...AT ALL...the know the Qur'an.
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flugo
Yaleh: The chapters and verses in the Pauline letters where St Paul states that Jesus was gay, please.
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DiAna Donna DouGlas Yaleh
it's all in my excellent interpretive scripture translations that have been in my Facebook Albums & published on the Newsfeed for the past several years. If you'd LISTEN to DiAna Donna DouGlas Radio-Radar-Television, like ALL WHO DO, all over America & the Worlds, you would ALREADY KNOW my WORK & ALL who have defended me for all my BEST BIBLE TRANSLATIONS! fool.
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flugo
Douglas: I'm still waiting for you to post your evidence that Jesus was gay. Otherwise, your ramblings are false, if not blasphemous.
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James
Jesus WAS gay? I tell ya, every one takes the copious biblical metaphors as literal (or at some "face-value) and one way (as THEY choose to see it). Phaneron, Every work in biblical books need to be looked at it how the writers defined it. For example.. Jesus WAS gay? (happy). Or was he GAY? ... https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8gkgj4/was-jesus-gay-702 .This question will roll on for another 2k years.
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John Owens
Great Scot! This person needs to be heavily medicated and watched carefully.
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DiAna Donna DouGlas Yaleh
very funny, john owens...glad that's all you said...and a joke...cause you do know i'm right...clever!
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James
Who is right? We have 8 billion ppl all claiming to be "right", "the light" and will commit a holy war, kill, mame, slander, crucify, assault others who think, feel or believe differently. You may be 120% right. How do we readers know that? In short, Its NOT others right to claim accuracy of our-self or others. The quality of ones emotional, mental, physical or spiritual happenings shall determine if anyone is "ON THE PATH". the RIGHT path.
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flugo
Jesus said. 'I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me.' That's who is 'right' - JESUS!
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angel
You would probably say the same about the doctor who refused to treat my transgender daughter just because she is transgender. If mom and pop shops wants to hinder their buissness, then so be it, but if your buissness involves the very survival of people, they should NOT be allowed to discriminate!
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Bob, homophobia in the Bible is no better or different than homophobia out in the rest of the world or throughout history and is no more to be accepted or honored than all of that is!! Bigotry is bigotry, no matter where it is, and should all be dismissed and rejected!!