A UK school is apologizing after a homework assignment instructed seven-year-olds that Jewish people “wanted Jesus to be guilty”.
The assignment was first leaked to the public by a mother who was shocked to see her son’s religious studies homework portray the Jews as "bloodthirsty" and intent on seeing Jesus crucified.
Now the school and the website where the curriculum was taken from are backpedaling, apologizing for the offensive content. Jewish groups were furious at the material, saying that it has no place in a child’s education, and that the imagery and language used are wildly antisemitic.
Not Exactly School Appropriate
An initial sarcastic tweet from the student's mother, Joanne Bell, soon picked up steam:
The curriculum in question was created by Topmarks, an independent education website used by some teachers and school districts in the UK.
After initially blocking Bell, Topmarks director Chris Spolton reached out to her to apologize and let her know the material was removed. Spolton took the blame himself, saying that when he wrote the original material he was “young and naive,” and that 20 years ago his resources were “books found in the local library” and that the story hadn’t been reviewed in “decades.”
The school district and the teacher who assigned the material also apologized, but some Jewish groups say the damage is done.
The Campaign Against Antisemitism called it “sickening”, and said that “the notion that the Jews killed Jesus is an anti-Semitic trope which dates back millennia… It has been used as a supposed justification for the persecution of Jews in the Christian world for centuries and is still often cited in abuse of Jews today.”
A landmark 1965 document issued by the Second Vatican Council, the Nostra Aetate, specifically rejected the notion that Jews hold responsibility for Christ’s death.
Centuries of Violence
Why was this document so important? For the same reason that the homework assignement was damaging, Jewish groups say.
The idea that Jews are somehow collectively responsible for the murder of Jesus has been used to justify violence against the Jewish people for hundreds of years.
The Anti-Defamation League says that “in the long history of Jewish scapegoating, deicide is the original and most damning false accusation.” It’s also likely the origin of other sinister antisemitic myths, like the notion that Jews poisoned wells to kill Christian villagers, or that they use the blood of Christians in certain religious rituals.
The ADL found that antisemitic violence picked up in 2016, following a 15 year decline, and its most recent report tracked 2,100 specific instances of assault or harassment against Jews.
And with high profile attacks like the deadly 2018 Tree of Life synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh, one-third of Jews now say they feel compelled to hide their faith – lest they be victims of a violent attack.
What is your reaction?
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Brien
Jesus was jewish, arrested by the romans at the behest of the jewish religious leadership. Crucified, as the story goes, by the roman religious leadership for heracy. What does this have to do with educating a small child? Religion is NOT education, it is a belief with few facts. A faith if you prefer. Faith is up to the parents to teach or not. To teach it as education to young children in a classroom setting is brainwashing plain and simple. It is understandable only because the parents were likely brainwashed in the same way. The problem with any organized religious "education" is that it changes to make there own version "the one true" version of the mythical being. As far as hurting the "feelings" of jewish, catholic, christian, budist, muslim, or whatever flavor of the day that comes along, get over it.
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Edmond Nelson Hempstead Jr
Amen
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Lionheart
Considering there’s only a book with a compilation of what appears to be many mythical tales is any of it worth believing? Did the Jesus character really exist? It’s possible, but how much is real, and how much isn’t?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
You got my vote, Lionheart.
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John D. Partin
Carl, he always has your vote, no matter what lame-brained and idiotic things he says in here!! Are you his yes man, brown noser, and butt kisser or something more than that?!!
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Brien
The voice of reason. Thank you my friend. Peace ✌☮
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John Norris Campbell
The historical existence of Jesus Christ is a well established fact, by both secular and insular sources dating back to the first century. Funny thing about 'that mythical book" is that it has been around for centuries and this world's best minds have tried to discredit it many times to no avail. The prophecies fortold back in 750 B.C. have a 100% accuracy rate and are still being fulfilled to this very day. The Guinness book of World Records list the Holy Bible as the best selling book of all time with over 5 BILLION copies sold world wide...and the printing press was'nt even invented until the 1400's...
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Lionheart
Yes, I've often read that the Bible is the "least read, best seller". I've also heard that the Harry Potter series of books is rapidly catching up with it. A quick check on Google shows something like 500 million copies. Those sales figures are not bad for yet another book of fiction. In fact, I would imagine more Harry Potter books have been sold than the Bible since the first ones hit the shelves in 1997.
Just as a heads-up John, the Harry Potter books are fiction, and nowhere near as gory, AND it's a far better read for children with better morals attached to them. I just thought I'd mention that in case you thought that these books were also real. These books haven't been around for centuries like the Quran, Bible, Bhagavad Gita, and other ancient documents of tales and myth, but I bet they will be as time marches on.
I can see you are also very easily swayed by self fulfilling prophesies. To be honest, I'm not surprised, being as you believe only what is written in the Bible, but I can guarantee you won't believe in the prophecies of Muhammad, or those listed in the Bhagavad Gita, and those in other ancient documents. I'm sure you might possibly have an answer for those, being as they don't subscribe to your religious belief system, but I could be wrong, so please enlighten me with your thought structure.
Anyway, thank you for posting a reply.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
JNC do you fail to grasp that your above post only invalidates your position in any actual debate? Maybe you should try reading some C.S. Lewis after all so you can learn how to actually argue for your faith from a position of reason, rather then make an appeal to authority even a first week debate team noob wouldnt make the blunder of trying and getting themselves kicked out of the debate.
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John Norris Campbell
I've enjoyed many of C.S.Lewis's books. And I gather, from your above comment, that he is the guy I should list as a source of authority? An Oxford and Cambridge trained lay theologian? Do you really feel that I'd even care to "argue" with people who have no true interest in learning another's point of view? There are already some very brilliant people who have put forth their findings---people much more educated than me. Have you considered Lee Strobel's book "The Case for Faith"? He is a legally trained investigator who set forth to disprove Christianity. He is a former atheist, holds a Master of Studies in Law degree from Yale Law School as well as an award winning legal editor of the Chicago Trib. In his book he investigates each and every "eyewitness' account of the men who walked with Jesus. Their testimonys would still fill the criteria for a modern day court. The men involved all were pillars of their communities. Luke was not only a physician but also a very well respected historian. Paul was a university trained Pharisee and a legal scholar. These men were not "goat herders" Although King David actually was one. Might I also suggest you take a look at Josh McDowell's book named "Evidence that Demands A Verdict"? Another very well researched historical account of Christianity. You can find both books on Amazon---I actually pray that you do.
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Brien
Still a mythical book full of made up ""prophecies" without one shred of fact. The worlds oldest superstition if that is easier to understand. About the only verifiable things in the mythical book are a few well known locations. Not hard considering the timeline. Did someone named Jesus exist? Sure, I will give you that one.....was this person the son of the great mythical being in the sky? According to the belief structure that basis itself on this book, we are ALL sons and daughters of the allmighty being. So, no sense debating that either. You see, in order to debate something, there needs to be verifiable FACTS to sustain a position, either for or against. There is simply NO verifiable facts to support any of the superstitious stories that are written about in the mythical book. Assumptions and faith do not equal fact. Also, this book has been poorly translated by questionable ""scholars" while under duress from a crazy tyrant, and the stories have been ""refashioned" over the years to make them more relevant to the times. Facts, until disproved, stay the same wether the times like it or not. Peace
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Many people have always been named Jesus, in Mexico.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
It just shows how many stupid people there has been in this world for thousands of years, JNC.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I've bought quite a few copies of the Bible , JNC, but only to use it for rolling papers, and toilet paper. I would never think of reading it. And I'm sure many others have bought billions of copies of it for various purposes other than reading it, too. I've even known of many good Satan worshipping groups buying huge quantities of that worthless book, only to burn it in bonfires. The list goes on, and it's very long. Not nearly asany people have read that wicked book as you seem to think.
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Catherine
Meant to add to the initial comment with the excerpt from an article, that introducing cross cultural studies could be beneficial and there need not be anything deemed anti-Semitic. However, questionably choice of words, presentation, single source versus multiple views, combined as described in the ULC article, teach divisiveness and not much else. Equally faulty however, are responses by 'Jewish groups' that 'the damage is done'. Really? Why does the Talmud discuss Jewish displeasure(?) with Jesus?
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PATRICIA S RITTER
It was the Romans that killed Jesus Christ not the Jewish let me get that straight Jewish people believed that Jesus was the son of god but romans didnt believe that he was why are teachers teaching the wrong teachings for makes no sense
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SibylTheHeretic
You are wrong. The Jewish authorities went to the Roman governor and had him arrest Jesus.
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Rev. Jonathan Peebles
Only most Christians believe he is the son of God and the Jewish people, as well as the Muslims, believe he was a prophet. STILL It was the Romans who killed him to mostly for the destruction of the growing Cult at the time which made it worse by making the religion grow into the most popular religion in the world which is kinda funny...
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PATRICIA S RITTER
It was the Romans that killed Jesus Christ not the Jewish let me get that straight Jewish people believed that Jesus was the son of god but romans didnt believe that he was why are teachers teaching the wrong teachings for makes no sense
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Lionheart
Why are teachers teaching children; what to think and now; how to think?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Must you say that again, Patricia? You're starting to sound like a broken DVD rom. Do you think that the more you say it the better chance someone will believe it? You better go back to Sunday school, because I've never heard of Jews believing that Jesus was the son of God.
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John Norris Campbell
What did Jesus Christ Himself say about this topic? John 10:17-18 reads "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have the power to lay it down, and I have the power to take it up again. This command I have recieved from My Father."..Religion is man's idea of what pleases God, and it is the main reason there are so many different ideas about religion. I was born into a Roman Catholic family in Chicago to Irish parents. I went to Catholic schools and was taught that the Jews were the ones who petitioned Pontius Pilate to have the man Jesus crucified for violations of their blasphemy laws. Luke 23:20-25 records the actual event.It, in fact WAS the 'the elders of the people (Jews), both chief priests and scribes that demanded Pilate to order the death of Jesus because they themselves had no authority (being subjects of the Roman empire) to order anyone to death. So...did the Jews kill Jews kill Jesus? Or was it the Roman government? According to Jesus, He Himself laid down His life because: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (john 3:16)...Only human ignorance would teach that the "christ killers" belonged to just one group. I was taught that nonsense about the Jews being solely responsible by ignorant teachers...until I learned that it was the Vatican that gave Hitler financial support while climbing to 'power'...btw...Hitler was Roman Catholic too.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Welp I guess the cats out of the bag now JNC. This post of yours is so heavy with amerikkkan wannabe nazi talking points.
Hitler a catholic? Do you not know a thing about the SS or Himmler? Or Hitlers deep interest in all things occult and nordic faith traditions?
Let me guess though, you are not one who thinks Drumpf was standing on a stage at that recent CPAC event in the shape of a nazi symbol based on a nordic rune.
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John Norris Campbell
There you go again! You completly act like you do NOT KNOW how to research HISTORICAL FACTS...The 'Reichskonkordant' circa 1933 was the treaty negotiated between the VATICAN and NAZI GERMANY.....Golly!! you're either spending too much time as the empirical grand shamman fighting the dark forces of whateverland to actually converse with actual people here and now..."Hitler was born to a practicing CATHOLIC mother, and was baptized in the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH in 1904....Once again...I will no longer engage in a battle of witts with an unarmed opponent...step up your game little buddy, if you want to trash my beliefs...ya better come armed for bear.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Being baptized as a baby has nothing to do with the religion we choose for ourselves when we're old enough to understand it. I was baptized Roman Catholic, received the sacraments of communion, confession, and confirmation, was an altar boy, and was forced to go to Catholic schools for six years, that I'm still glad I was expelled from. However, I'm nothing like a Catholic, and niether was Hitler. I'm a natural Witch, and wave been an an eclectic solitairy initiated member of Wicca since 1979, when I was sixteen.
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Thom
Lets place Blame where blame belongs. IF IT’S REALLY THAT IMPORTANT. Much like today both sides had things to gain from the death of Jesus. Hence the washing of hands and the freeing of one other over one who fed and healed the poor and chosen. FEAR. Both sides were fearful that this one man could take control of the many they thought they control. POLITICS. Even in times before us two parties of opposite sides come together to suppress the masses. Today’s 1%. I say to you, is it more important to argue the past or focus on the present and the future? Teach acceptance of all people race, creed, sexual preference, sexuality, aliens, any difference teaches us enlightenment.
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Catherine
I am not Jewish, albeit interested in the topic. A search for the topic + encylopedia Judaica returned this, an article at: myjewishlearning dot com about "who killed jesus"
"In the Talmud
Interestingly, the idea that the Jews killed Jesus is also found in Jewish religious literature. In tractate Sanhedrin of the Babylonian Talmud, on folio 43a, a beraita (a teaching from before the year 200 C.E.) asserts that Jesus was put to death by a Jewish court for the crimes of sorcery and sedition. (In standard texts of the from Eastern Europe — or in American texts that simply copied from them — there is a blank space towards the bottom of that folio, because the potentially offensive text was removed. The censorship may have been internal — for self-protection — or it may have been imposed on the Jews by the Christian authorities. In many new editions of the Talmud this passage has been restored.) The Talmud’s claim there that the event took place on the eve of Passover is consistent with the chronology in the gospel of John. In the talmudic account, the Romans played no role in his death."
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Hmm, odd I thought the blame all rested on the supposed divine father Yaw'Weh. After all every thing that befell Jesus was supposedly according to some divine plan. Sounds like a set up to me, yes sir indeed. A real fix up. A grand conspiracy by this Mr. Weh to frame the Jewish people for the murder of his own son he was the master planner of.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I'd give that one two votes if I could, Ilmenheru.
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Clay Serenbetz
See RELIGION: Who killed Jesus? Weekly Devotion by Randy Moll | February 16, 2021 at 7:43 a.m., stating: Who killed Jesus? Who is responsible for His crucifixion and death? Was it the chief priests and scribes who plotted Jesus' arrest and handed Him over, demanding He be crucified? Was it Judas who betrayed Jesus? Was it Peter and the disciples who denied and forsook Him? Was it Pontius Pilate and the Roman soldiers who condemned Jesus and carried out His execution on the cross?
The Scriptures tell us: "You have taken Him, who was handed over to you by the ordained counsel and foreknowledge of God, and by lawless hands have crucified and killed Him."
And so, who killed Jesus? Was it the men of Israel addressed by Peter in his Pentecost sermon? Many lay the blame on the Jews even yet to this day for rejecting their Messiah and having Him crucified.
But the Scriptures make it clear who killed Jesus. It was you! It was me! You and I are the cause of the condemnation of this just and righteous man. He was holy and without sin. Yet, we caused His condemnation and death with our sin!
As the Scriptures say, Jesus was "handed over to you by the ordained counsel and foreknowledge of God." We read in Isaiah 53:5-6: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and by his stripes we are healed. All of us like sheep have gone astray; each of us has turned to his own way, but the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
The hymn verse from "Jesus, I will Ponder Now" expresses it so well: "Ah! I also and my sin wrought Thy deep affliction; this indeed the cause hath been of Thy crucifixion."
Yes, you and I killed Jesus! He died not because of any fault of His own. He went to the cross and died to atone for your sins and for mine -- for the sins of all (cf. 1 John 2:1-2)!
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Brien
I have killed no one. But that mythical being described in the horror story that you are quoting is guilty of genocide. Don't include me in that bucket of trash. Peace ✌ ☮
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Clay you seem confused, this is a secular nondenominational ministry. By espousing and forcing your beliefs on others you make yourself a member of the forces of evil, seeking to impose the tyranny of what you believe ipon others.
Most of us here in fact tend to align heavily against the type of faith you are pushing, and see the god Yaw'Weh as a great enemy of humankind rather than some lord to submit to.
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Shango MasterExorcist, D.D.
Christians give daily thanks that Jesus was killed, so blaming who did it is not relevant. I am not making the claim that the name "Jesus" could have existed at that time, I am only responding to the illogic of attributing blame.
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William Waugh
Thank you fellow ministers for what I rhink is a formidable library of theo discussion and knowledge. Where else are you going to get this stuff in nearly one spot?
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Minister Mike
The only thing funnier than the headline and article are the comments.
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Woodrow
funny mike
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Well Mike, they won't give us any good, serious subjects to talk about, so what else can we do? They must think this, in some way, is preparing us to be be better ministers.
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John P Maher
ANYTHING and EVERYTHING EXISTs IF YOUR MIND BELIEVES IT to BE, DUH ! JUST LOOK and LISTEN to M A G A and THE G O Pigs !
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Lionheart
Yes John, some people actually believe in what is implicitly written in the Bible, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, Alice In Wonderland, and some even like to think Star Wars, and Harry Potter are also real. It's amazing what some people actually believe without using logic and reason in their thought process. It's what makes the world different I guess.
My great grandmother actually believed in Fairy's, and also someone who was supposed to have been able to walk on water. Belief systems can be really weird can't they without real evidence to back them up?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Let's not forget about the Celestine prophecy, and The Secret.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
What's not to believe in about fairies? I even saw one riding a unicorn.
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Lionheart
That must have been one hell of a trip you were on Carl. I missed out on those things in my youth. Halcyon days the 🌺 60’s 🌸 without a doubt.
Methinks John P. Maher is still there, bless him 🤪
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Woodrow
Interesting!!! The same things go on NOW. I am not condoning anything but the politics of today. Donald Trump has been tried by both parties of our government. I am not calling him a god or anything else, but the analogy is INTERESTING, indeed.
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Dr. Michae J. Glick
Absurd is the only word that comes to mind. If Jesus was divine and able to do half of what is claimed in the new testament ( a work written LONG after Jesus was alive) he would have been able to die as he saw fit. So if he was crucified, he surely could have performed whatever miracles were necessary to avoid it, or die in some other way. So blaming anyone, let alone the Jews (for he was born Jewish) is absurd.
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John Norris Campbell
John 10:18 records Jesus Himself saying: No one takes it (life) from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have the power to take it again..." John wrote this within his lifetime and died around 90A.D. Guess what? The heavily guarded tomb was found empty. One can find Muhammed's tomb...Buddah's tomb, Abraham's tomb, King David's tomb...ect But the Son of God's tomb was found empty...just like He said. Secular history records King Herrod scouring all the recently dug tombs throughout the kingdom looking for the body of Jesus Christ..And then He appears to 500 ppl at one time. Every religion on earth knows who Jesus is. Absurd? Perhaps, to the uneducated.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
And in addition to hermetic philosophy JNC, another good thing to study is called Desiderata, the version by Max Ehrman, like the one that's on the wall behind this chair I'm usually sitting on, right next to Invictus, and The Road Not Taken.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Atleast when JNC is running his mouth about his Christian absurdities, his soulmate flugo is nowhere to be found. Could it be multiple personalities of the same demon?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Before flugo it was Bob Fleutsch who disappeared shortly after flugo showed up.
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Jennifer Bryant
People Kill. That does Not include an entire race or religion. Blaming others, no matter how people twist it in their heads, will never reign supreme over Creators divine plan.
May we express Honor and truth before judgment and false prophecy.
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Ronaldo
This is pretty much the same argument and situation as slavery. Did some Jewish leaders want Jesus killed? Scripture pretty clearly indicates that this is so. Did some White people own slaves a couple of centuries ago? Yes, they did, and so did some Black people. Do these events mean that all Jews wanted Jesus dead, or that all Whites believed that slavery was right? Absolutely not. It is simply modern word-mongering that promotes the idea that all Blacks were victims, and all Whites were oppressors. More anti-Semitic word-mongering has portrayed the Jewish community as evil and against other religions. Hitler used that principal to show the German citizens that Jews were the enemy, and the Islamic world is doing the same thing now, and targeting Christians along the way. Until the public, or more of them, wake up and look at people as individuals, rather than just as a part of some larger community, they will never realize that they are being manipulated by others with their own agendas.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I'm not against individual members of any religion for their beliefs, and even beliefs don't necessarily stay the same throughout our lives. Even though many of my closest friends, relatives, and loved ones are and have been Christians, personally I think Christianity totally sucks.
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MIKE
What faith do you think the apostles were? Mathew,Mark, Luke, Jonh, etc. Were Jews. Those who followed Jesus were mainly JEWS! Who do you think the first " Christian " were? JEWS! The Jewish authorities were corrupt and afraid of losing their hold over the Jews community. The Jewish People DID NOT kill Jesus!
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Edmond Nelson Hempstead Jr
Oh, yea of little faith. You point the finger at someone claiming their faith and belief. You non-believers. ("Just a Book", "If there is a GOD"). You nay Sayers. I thought this was a religious site. How can this be about Godly things, when you cast doubt, hatred, and disbelief in GOD? What has happened to Judge not least you be judged by the same measure? As it was pointed out, all Jewish people did not kill Jesus, but the ones that had their hand in it were Jewish. You shouldn't judge a whole race, color, or religion on a few bad occurrences. While I openly admit, I am not perfect, or without sin. I know better than most, and not as much as others. You need to search your heart, read the book, and ask for guidance. No matter what I love you all, my brothers and sisters. In the most high's name GOD. Amen
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Lionheart
Thank you Edmond. I have in fact read the book, I searched my heart, but most importantly my brain, and by reading it I came to the obvious conclusion what a load of BS it really is, which actually makes me wonder if you too have truly read it, but thank you for your thoughts. Just as a heads up, if you happen to read any of the Harry Potter books they too are also fiction, but please go ahead and ask for guidance, whatever that really means.
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Minister Deidre
Ok, so first, it took place in a UK school, and this is important because the UK has an official religion which is the Anglican Church. Being a state sponsored religion, it's taught in schools as a religious studies class. This is a part of British culture and not for people on the outside of that culture to judge.
I also don't see where any of the material makes it seem like it was ALL of the Jewish people. It specifically says the Jewish religious leaders. I understand that there are people who use this part of the Bible to justify antisemitism, but simply teaching about it isn't antisemitism in and of itself.
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Minister Carlos Ricardo Walls
Stop persecuting the Jewish people.Get your facts right.
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Brien
Why? Why is one "faith" or another always claim to be harmed, yet when confronted with their own teachings they defend the most horrific crimes against humanity? This goes for ANY organized religious teachings. As far as the people of Jewish decent are concerned, since we are using labels, I have nothing against them at all. I do not see Jewish people, I just see people. My gripe is teaching small children in a classroom setting the worst horror story of all time. Let's not forget that the great mythical being that all of the "major" organized religions are based upon is guilty of genocide, the mass murder of most of the human race, as the story goes. So, we teach fear and genocide/murder to young school children. That is probably ok, right? As far as all of these labels are concerned, I chose to stand up for humanity's rights, that includes EVERYONE. Peace ✌ ☮
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John Norris Campbell
WOW!! Let's talk about genocide...more ppl have been killed in just the last 100 years in the name of "secular government" than all the religious killings combined in the last 2000 years.....Now before you shoot your ignorant 'slugs' at me...just Google it....it's not like it's some big secret...although your university professors will not point it out...nor will MSM....Mao? over 100 MILLION killed due to starvation---on purpose...Stalin? 150 MILLION religious ppl killed in just 30 years...Hitler? yea--he was just a boyscout...just learning how to kill massive amounts of ppl at on time....the list goes on...
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Brien
Just what are you arguing for? You are correct, all of those horrors are the worst of humanity. Most of the history about them shows how horrible they were. There seems to be one exception. You see, the mythical almighty being that has committed horrible acts against the world, (plagues, destruction of cities, genocide against the world, ect), is......celebrated for it. Worshiped by millions, this mythical being can do no wrong. Now why is that? Could it be that all of the people you mentioned are factual beings? Real people that committed real horrors against humanity. But the mythical being is just that, a myth, so no horrors can be blamed on a myth right? If that is so, why do schools, any school, teach this myth as fact? I never once sided with any of those horrible people, I just included the mythical being in their group. Peace
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I'm sure you are mistaken, sir. Hitler was not a boy scout!
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John Norris Campbell
Yea I'm pretty sure you're right...Using this format while at the same time using sarcasm to make a point usually falls flat.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I've been getting a lot more votes than you for two and a half years, John Norris Campbell, so I must be doing something right.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
If you quit telling the right jokes around here, you'll get canned, and they'll quit posting your comments. I've seen them come, and I've seen them go, around here. This isn't exactly a free for all,JNC.
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John P Maher
WELL LETs HEAR IT, WHO ACTUALLY CRUCIFIED and THEN LAID JESUS in HIS DEATH BED ? AND WHO WROTE THE BIBLE, JESUS can ANYONE REALLY ANSWER THESE and MANY, MANY OTHER QUESTIONs ???
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Anisahoni
This is the perfect example on how some Christians want to rewrite history and deny Jesus' heritage. Jesus was a Jew and only preached to other Jews. He did not accept others who were not Jews and refused to interact with them. That is outlined in the historic biblical writings. Christians have tried to make him somethng and someone else, like some white guy who walked on water. He was a mystic, an Essene and an anarchist who wanted the Roman government overthrown. It's called sedition. That's why he was executed. He was no saint.Just a teacher with mystical teachings and was a threat to the Roman emperor and dempire. Constantine and his scribes decided to make him a deity, which he wasn't. He had no church, he didn't rise from the dead after 3 days. His body would have been horribly rotted and smelly and would have begun to fall apart. He didn't physically ascend to the "heavens" either. No oxygen to breathe. It is amazing how some Christians like in this article try to recreate their magical Aladdin but use the Jewish bible to discriminate against others and pretend to be loving.
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John Norris Campbell
Let's all pretend that ppl who call themselves "christian" are actually christian. Just like all the ppl who call themselves "muslim" are all the same. ppl are idiots...lazy, simple idiots...they believe what their parents believe...which is exaxtly WHY the middle east has been at war for the last 1500 years...muslim against muslim....killing each other at alarming rates....for CENTURIES...Catherine--- as much as I'd like to engage your false narrative about 'what you think' I truly believe I'd just be casting 'pearls' before swine
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Anisahoni
You really have issues with women. I never attacked you but you are such a cowardly man to make your response a personal attack. Such a good christian man you are and such a role model. Let me be clear, I do not care what you think, or what you personally believe. Get professional help to work out your misogyny. Enough said.
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John Norris Campbell
FUN FACT!! Because the Jews thought that Jesus's crew would 'steal' his body and thus perpetuate the claim of Jesus "rising from the grave' The Pharsiees had the Roman centurians SEAL the grave with the king's seal and then had the guards out all night---under penalty of death---to make sure there was no shenaniganis....SECULAR ROMAN HISTORY records this FACT....heads were gonna roll if some dumbass dropped the ball....BUT guess what?? SECULAR history ALSO records the fact that the ascended CHRIST appeared to many AFTER His death....So I gotta tell ya little sister---you're in denial---unless your're going up the Nile---without a paddle!!
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
They spoke of using Mandrake, a well known hallucinogen, as far back as Genesis, so I'm not at all surprised that they saw Jesus after he died, JNS. There are many more kinds of hallucinogens available now, that would make you see Jesus, too. You could even see yourself floating up to Heaven with him, and staying there. Wouldn't that be a dream come one true, for a Christian like you? Glad I could help.
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John Norris Campbell
Maybe everyone and their brother were smoking Ayahuasca, but that in no way discredits the secular account of this time period in history. You just may enjoy a famous historian's collection called "The Antiquities of the Jews" written in 93CE by a Jewish priest, working for the Romans named Flavius Josephus. He, to this, day, is a highly respected historian and scholars, to this day, still refer to his writtings for reference.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I don't care to know anything a by out Jewish history, and don't even like these corny subjects regarding Christianity. I'm only interested in running off prolific Christians, and the demise of Christianity, so we can finally start discussing serious, spiritual subjects on this blog.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Right now I'm studying the Kybalion of Hermes Trismegistus by three initiates. You might try reading that one, JNC.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
You'd get a very good buzz if you'd roll that stuff up in bible papers, JNC. Just food for thought.
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Minister Mike
Tsk, tsk. You might consider reading the history you so nonchalantly deny.
Matthew 8:28-34 Luke 17:12-19 John 4:5-42 Matthew 8:8 Matthew 8:10
Not sayin' any of it is anything more than myth and fantasy, but Jesus DID hang with gentiles. Even healed 'em. And there is no evidence all of his disciples were jews - the verifiable history of that time and place pretty much guarantee at least 4 of the 12 were not jewish.
Jesus spent an inordinate amount of time castigating his fellow jews rather than hangin' out with 'em.
Why would jesus need oxygen in heaven, singular or plural?
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James Pace
Not like it's not true....
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
You might be right, but you might be wrong. That's a good song. And also, "It might just be a lunatic you're looking for."
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Nevertheless, we are all children of the same universe, and should try to make the best of it.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
How does anyone know there is a divine plan. Planning is only the first managerial function, but everything could have been set in motion with a big bang! As far as I can tell, my god and goddess only want us to be as happy as we can be, without hurting anyone or anything, until we die.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
In other words "bide the Wiccan laws ye must,in perfect love and perfect trust." And as far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Also, do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees or the stars. You have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive him (her, it) to be. And whatever your labour's and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.
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Christian
Learn the teachings of Christ in full context, of the Jewish people vs. the Roman Empire. Yahshua preached Loving Love, Loving all beings, loving your Self, and loving your enemies, to create new friendships. God is Love, A new commandment I give you, love one another as I have loved you.. the entire theology of Christ is contained in the Good Samaritan story: Be Kind, Help Others. Unfortunately not everyone followed these teachings of the Way of Love, and eventually the conflict with the Roman Empire resulted in all out war in 69 A.D. to 73 A.D. and the destruction of the Temple.
We continue to live & re-live this very same conflict of secular government powers vs religious freedoms. May God Bless all people with kindness, compassion, and understanding, it is a means of worldwide survival for all peoples !
The opposite path, leads to sadness: "Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:
"... As the flames had not yet penetrated to the inner sanctum, but were consuming the chambers that surrounded the sanctuary, Titus assumed correctly that there was still time to save the structure; he ran out and by personal appeals he endeavored to persuade his men to put out the fire, instructing Liberalius, a centurion of his bodyguard of lancers, to club any of the men who disobeyed his orders. But their respect for Caesar and their fear of the centurion's staff who was trying to check them were overpowered by their rage, ..."
References: Josephus' account appears in: Cornfield, Gaalya ed., Josephus, The Jewish War (1982); Duruy, Victor, History of Rome vol. V (1883).
Cited from the Article: "The Romans Destroy the Temple at Jerusalem, 70 AD," EyeWitness to History, www.eyewitnesstohistory.com (2005).
For those that had followed Jesus away and out of the city, many years before - their lives where spared from the fury of war with the Roman Empire...
A violent and very sad chapter in the long history of the Roman Empire.
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Christian
Well, it is clear from the Gospel of Christ he practiced his healing arts and skills and powers his whole life, until he could raise himself from the grave.
Many other deities put their skills into attacks or lightening powers, weather control, fertility, etc.
Christ nearly exclusively focused on Healing... Disease, Nerve damage, blindness, the sick, dead, and recently buried.
All leading up to Christ's ability to raise himself from the grave, no problemo.
Since we know Christ IS, and is fully human and fully deity, we too can also learn amazing new powers of healing, regeneration, resurrection, and reincarnation.
Of course, now we do these things through complex science, but Faith the size of a mustard seed can move whole mountains...
So we can reverse engineer many of Christ's teachings and ask what is the size of a tiny mustard seed that can remove a mountain ?
Not just metaphore, but what technology could we implement to remove a mountain ?
So much power squashed into a tiny pellet may be fairly dangerous, so please do be very careful when experimenting in matters of Faith !
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Angel
That's because nobody put's anything into context. The leader's looked at Jesus as a threat to their religion. He defied their teachings and was trying to change how people believed. Call it what you want, but religion, especially in many Middle Eastern cultures isn't just a "belief " like in the US, it's the way their society is governed. Kind of like our government, if a person is a threat to our government, they get taken out. Accept it, deal with it and learn from it.
But the Jewish authorities did kill Jesus who was also Jewish. The Jewish leaders went to the roman governor and had him arrest and kill Jesus because he threatened their authority. This is another example of the schools re-writing history for the sake of political correctness. This is why most of the population has no idea what happened or is happening in the world. History is messy but its true, teach it don't homogenize it.
The "Jewish authorities" were not the whole of the Jews
The school was correct the jewish people wanted jesus found guilty. The modern jews denying this happened is like the democrats denying that they were the party of slavery. The jewish and the democrats deny it now becuse it is embarrassing, but it did happen. And I have no doubt that there are a few knuckleheads out there that are persecuting the jewish ( mainly the muslims) and descriminating against blacks but they are fringe (except for the muslims who hate everyone who is not muslim). What is the the big story here is that there is a public school somewhere in the world teaching religion (other than islam).
Well Sibyl thanks for outing yourself as a soldier in the ranks of the evil army of evangelical kkkristians woefully and willfully ignorant.
Since you like to drag up the past. You do know christians in one form or another are the greatest villains of history on the global scale for the last oh 1400 years or so.
After all anyone who knows a thing about the Inquisition, or the genocide committed upon entire city states by crusaders make Hitler and Stalin seem downright modest as far as mass murderers go.
Yaw'Weh a god that if it does exist is easily the greatest enemy of humankind to have ever existed.
The Jewish authorities really only wanted Jezebel, and figured with Jesus out of the way they could have their way with her. Little did they know about Jesus' love affair with St. Judas. It's all in the bible. If y'all would read between the lines like I do it would be crystal clear.
History lessons come with dates, nothing like bible studies.
We're so glad you're back, Sybil. I hope you've gotten over your stress disorder. We reallyissed you.