Running from Marriage Rights

Latasha Danielle Simmons

...I want to also state that the husband would make sure his wife is 'taken' care of financially (never works), physically, etc. It appears that would be the purpose. It wouldn't make since for a 'polyandry wife' to be left uncovered (left alone), unless it's a scam. I will always respect my system of belief, regarding the institution of marriage: Man and a Woman, of course the man is the head with God as his family's guide (he ask for her hand in marriage, leads,/directs, she 'takes on his views/ideas (the two become one flesh), what a beautiful union! We must continue to pray for blissful marital unions and not discord...whom God hath joined together let .....! Have a very beautiful blessed day!!

Respectfully,

Latasha Danielle Simmons!!

M

not if the problem wasn't due to anything the couple did. not if it was from like medical reasons or something like that.

M

you are mistaken, because even though God sanction multiple wives to marry one man it was for economical reasons, and not because of sexuality and certainly he did not sanction any homo marriages.

M

No kidding that marriages were in existence before Christianity, but God was in existence then and God is the one who said from the very start that man must marry a women and must be married to be complete and fulfilled and that any other kind of joining was an abominations and cheapened the women, if they were not married and had sex. And even though Christianity per say did not exist then, does not mean that some men were not being lead by God, for those who listened to God's guidance, For those who didn't it was probably because they were not practicing to listen and follow Gods laws so they did not hear what God said and they lost touch with Gods laws and then they started mocking God because they did not think that God existed, and so they thought they could just do whatever they want to, but it doesn't mean that at all. because God is still there and still exists, and his laws still matter. out of sight and out of mind is no excuse. all we have to do is to stop being wicked and start listening to what God says again. Then there wont be such wickedness because they would know what God wants.

Pastor Deb

Using the term "Gay Marriage" is derogatory and purposely so. It is same sex marriage, and while you may think it is an oxymoron, it really isn't.

Regardless of how you read and interpret the Bible, God did not define marriage.

But either way, it doesn't affect you. No one is telling you to marry someone of your own sex. Same sex marriage takes nothing away from you. It doesn't force you to change your belief system, it doesn't change anything about what your marriage might involve, and it doesn't affect the legal or religious status of your marriage.

So if it has no affect on your life, why does it bother you so much?

Pastor Deb

Technically, bigotry is legal as freedom of speech You should be really grateful for that, since if bigotry was illegal, you would be imprisoned for nearly every word that comes out of your mouth.

Will same sex marriage eventually lead to bigamy (two wives), polygamy(multiple wives). polyandry (multiple husbands) and polyamory (multiple lovers) becoming legal? Perhaps, but the legal ramifications and changes in law for that are far too complex for most of the people here to understand, especially the people so against same sex marriage.

Death

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EXPLOITATION OF EVERYTHING UPON THIS EARTH FOR MONETARY VALUE, INDIGINOUS PEOPLE MEAN NOTHING TO THE BEASTS OF THIS EARTH WHO’S VERY ROOTS REACH INTO THE BOTTEMLESS PIT(HELL FROM WITHIN). That Sow, that Beast with eight piglets (G-8) suckling from its tit’s, that 14% of the world population wines and squeals for more GLUTTONY, MORE FOOD, MORE OIL, MORE LAND, MORE MATERIAL GOODS AND IT SLOPS IN ITS OWN EXCURMENT AND OF ALL THE SPOILS STOLEN FROM THOSE WHICH HAVE BEEN STRIPPED, RAPED, ROBBED AND IMPRISONED UPON THEIR OWN LANDS. OCCUPY NEW YORK? FOR THOU ART A JOKE! FOR IT IS YOU WHO OCCUPY WHAT IS NOT YOURS, YOU ARE THE INVADERS, ITS YOU WHO STINK IT UP WITH YOUR FILTH AND GLUTTONOUS WAYS, YOU WINE AND SQUEAL ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU DON’T HAVE? “HOW DARE YOU COMPLAIN YOU FILTHY PIGLETS?” FOR IT IS YOU WHO CONSUME THE SPOILS OF ILL GOTTEN GAINS, FOR IT IS YOU THEY (G-8 AND G-20) KILL FOR, FOR IT IS YOU WHO POLLUTES THE EARTH WITH YOUR TOXIC’S AND WITH YOUR WASTE! WHY? THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE THEY DO IT FOR. THEY SANCTION, THEY THREATEN, THEY INVADE, THEY KILL AND THEY CONTROL OTHER COUNTRIES, LIKE UNTO PARISITES FEEDING ON ITS HOST (ALL WORLD RESOURCES) AND FOR WHAT DO THEY SAY ITS ALL FOR? WHY, FOR “YOU”THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE, AND WHAT DO THESE SO CALLED SPOILED AMERICANS DO? THEY PROTEST AND OCCUPY THE CITIES AND WINE AND SQUEAL FOR MORE. YOU SEE YOU HAVE TO KEEP THESE PIGLETS HAPPY OR THEY GET OUT OF HAND, BUT NEVER TO FAIL, THE BEAST OF THE SEA (GREAT BRITAIN AND EUROPE) AND OF THE EARTH (USA) WILL FEED THEIR GREED, NO MATTER WHAT THE COST! You who wine and complain, you who have show’s upon television for profit and fame, you who would kill, murder and maim Gods creature’s, you who boast about your homes your lifestyles your gold and your things, also upon television, you who are liars who call themselves actors, for all are wicked, all are gluttons and you feed upon the minds of all, with great deceptions. You make what is immoral, to be moral. For filth, wickedness and murderers are all the same. All come to this land from all over the World to this land of gluttonies, all worship its mark (monetary), you yearn for its western ways and you all come to Satan’s sweet spot made from milk and honey, as blind sheep being lead to slaughter. BOASTING IS EVIL. THOSE WHO ARE FRIENDS OF THIS WORLD ARE ENEMIES OF GOD! YOU SEE THESE PEOPLES THAT CAME AS FRIENDS (PILGRAMS) AND LIED, AND ARE THE SAME SINCE BABYLON, EGYPT AND NOW ROMAN WORLD (WESTERN WORLD), THEY INVADE, THEY CONSUME EVERYTHING IN THEIR PATH, THEY DISTROY CULTURES, ENSLAVE THEIR PEOPLES, THEY ASSEMILLATE THEIR CHILDREN INTO WESTERN (ROMAN) WAYS, AFTER THEY KIDNAP THEM AND KILL THEIR PARENTS AS WELL AS THEIR FAMILIES, THEY EXPLOIT AND USE AND THEN MURDER. THEY LET THE ONES CONQUERD, BORROW LAND THAT WAS STOLEN FROM THEM AND MAKE THEM LIVE IN SQUALLAR AND POVERTY, WHILE THESE PIGS REAP THE SPOILS AND RAPE AND TURN THE LAND TO A STY. INDIGINOUS THEY ARE NOT, AMERICANS THEY ARE NOT, FOR THEY ARE AN ABOMINATION UPON THIS EARTH AND ARE CLOAKED LIKE UNTO A LAMB BUT ARE IN FACT OF THE DRAGON. THESE ARE THE (G-8 AND G-20) RULERS OF THE WESTERN WORLD (ROMAN, WORLD) THEY ARE THE Babylonian’s THE FALL OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN LED TO THE RISE OF HELL! You invade this land of our people's, we are Indigenous of this land and you stink it up with your filth and wickedness. squatters you are. Homosexuality is an Abomination in the eyes of the Creator, and you Deb are a part of the problem with your twisted Philosphies.

Pastor Deb

Do you even think before you post? Homosexuals are not a "different species." That was the kind of argument made over slavery and then interracial marriages. Same sex marriage and bestiality (which given your inability to correctly spell nearly anything, I'm very amused you can spell that particular word correctly, and can't resist mentioning the Freudian aspects of such a thing, even though you aren't likely to understand the reference).

Death

Yes Deb your right, the majority will agree with you and the minority will agree with God.

M

the bible is clear, in fact Paul who translated Gods words and who delivered the messages, was a homosexual and was worried about not being allowed to enter into the kingdom of heaven because if it, and was told to not act on his urges, and he had struggled with it all his life. the founding fathers were more worried about the government controlling religions, rather then worried about being worried about Christian values, as most of them had some belief in some Christianity, as many of them such as ben franklin were masons and Rosicrucian's and they have a fundamental belief of Jesus Christ. but they did not want the government like in Russia that waned a state ran religion to get a foot hold. and everybody over there, really want to have a Christian type religion. and just because cavil laws say one thing does not make it right according to many religious beliefs, and Gods belief. since when does the government really know what's right for the people, they screw up everything. the government doesn't know right from wrong. it just knows to please the special interest people who sqeeks the loudest.

Pastor Deb

Mary,

Once again, find a spell check program or take an English Composition class so you learn how to write properly. And for the sake of all that is holy, stop screaming at everyone with your all caps posts, it makes you look like a fool and certainly doesn't encourage people to think you have anything intelligent to add to the conversation.

Love is not "subjected" and is only partially a "learned" emotion, as we first feel the love of our parents which is a much different type of love than we feel for a partner.

We all understand that for you marriage is a holy state and only a religious commitment. However, it is not the same opinion held by the world. You need to learn to respect others as you wish to be respected. This is in your Bible, but you seem to not ever find those passages. I won't look them up for you because you need to learn this on your own.

BAH

Homosexuality is not a perversion. And I've read in your post before that you relate homosexuals to molesters and rapists. Let's observe... In the relationship between a molester/rapist and the victim, one person in the relationship is hurt. One person has their choices taken away. They're often left hurt, confused, bloody, beaten, betrayed,.. They have their confidence stolen. They are instilled with fear and therefor anger. One person in that relationship, through force or trickery, took what they wanted with no regard for the other persons wants. One person in that relationship will cry, shrink emotionally, develop a pattern of ongoin nightmares and remember the horrible incident, forever altering their God given right to a joyful life. Please explain how that can be related to two people in love. Furthermore, the majority of molester and rapists are straight. Even if you break it down to ratios, still the higher percentage of molesters/rapists are straight. So when you clump homosexuals and molester/rapists in the same group, it sounds, well, dumb. I'm not trying to be insulting, it's just that the word "dumb" is the most relevant word. Rapists come in all shapes and sizes and colors and nationalities, and for you to compare rapists to homosexuals makes no sense. It's my bet that a homosexual can go their whole life without molesting anyone. I also remember reading one of your post where you claimed genitalia doesn't belong in a mouth for sanitary reasons...which I find humorous...for if genitalia is too dirty for a mouth, why is it not too dirty for a vagina. At any rate, we have soap these days. I'm glad the topic of homosexuality and same-sex marriage is striking such a discourse amongst the people of the world...it's how we grow and adjust as humans. And grow & adjust we must. We are all children of the same universe. Love will win.

Pastor Deb

Actually, a "wedding company" falls under the term of a business for profit and therefore are entitled to a religious exemption.

I know you don't like that answer, but there is a huge difference between what a for profit business can do vs what a religious organization can do under the eyes of the law. So your theory about clergy being sued is moot (that means it has not meaning).

Pastor Deb

Well, that was a well worded load of crap. Marriage is not a "Christian" institution, unless of course, you believe that Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Wiccan, etc., etc.are not really marriages.

Christians don't have an exclusive on marriage, although conservatives most definitely make it a Christian issue, as though no other faith exists.

Church will continue to be protected under the law not to have to perform a wedding for a homosexual couple. Shoot, they can refuse to marry an inter faith, or inter race couple if they want to, and some will.

Marriage is a legal issue, not a religious one. The church doesn't perform a divorce or decide on the equitable distribution of property. The court does that. Why? Because a marriage is a legally binding contract, and therefore falls under the laws of the state.

We constantly hear from these conservatives how homosexual marriage is going to destroy marriage as we know it, but they never really can tell us how, can they?

If my gay friends get married, it doesn't have any impact on my life. If gay strangers get married, it has even less impact since I don't even know them.

But what does marriage equality give to them? It gives them the right to medical benefits afforded to a spouse. It gives them the right as "next of kin" in making medical decisions. It allows them to file joint tax returns, receive pension, 401K and a whole host of other financial and emotional things that the couple in a "Christian Marriage" have. It also allows them the opportunity to celebrate their love just like the rest of us.

As for the baker? He runs a business. If he said it went against his religious beliefs to bake a cake for an inter racial couple, would that be ok? He's a businessman, and his business is to make cakes.

We are currently hearing about laws where companies can refuse to hire homosexuals if it goes against their religious beliefs. The funny thing is, it is completely illegal to ask any applicant about their sex life either on an application or in an interview. So people won't be hired based on the way they look. Talk about a thin line.

If, as an ordained member of the clergy, you don't want to perform a ceremony for a homosexual couple, politely tell them you aren't available. You have no need or place to lecture them on the "evilness" of their love. If it doesn't affect your life, leave it alone and move on.