Pope Francis Questions Whether Trump is Really Pro-Life

John Martin

Give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar and the rest belongs to God. Jesus made it quite clear to make that distinction and separation. The founding fathers also acknowledged that separation of the church and government. So Francis you come from a culture that does not make that distinction and therefore have no idea of what you are talking about. The rule of law is quite clear. We need to save our nation from becoming a third world country. Illegals are here not to simulate into our culture but instead to bring their third world culture and dilute ours. This is not acceptable and it is a sure way of not making our country great. We are great because we are exceptionable. So bottom line is this, don't insult our intelligence and use the children or religion as the excuse to argue the immigration question. Would appreciate it if the Pope keep his noise out of our politics especially when he has his own endless church problems to deal with.

eliud colbath

FIRST of all the pope is wrong to question the President.He should tend to the busines of the church.The thing of Cesar to Cesar.The things of God to God.Please don't mess with polotics.Take care of your house first.You have a life time of sins to forgive.Especially in your churches.

shrek

this is dumb everything is dumb you have entitled opinions about stuff you don't have anything to do with so just let people live , it doesn't matter if you don't support the lgbt+ "lifestyle" or if you don't think a woman should get an abortion its not your life its not your choice your opinion doesn't fucking matter so stop sharing it , keep it to yourself and stop with the hate because you can't accept change and " controversy " you call liberals snowflakes but you're the ones crying about someone getting an abortion so she'll have a future or two guys marrying each other cause they love each other you are full of hate and opinions that were supposed to disappear years ago but here we are here i am sitting in front of a computer opening my mail seeing this stupid chat that is full of quotes from a book wrote thousand of years ago to try to see who goes to hell for what , guess what ? we're all going to hell because humanity is shit , nothing matters life has no meaning and the universe does not revolve around it

Rev. Nancy Willingham

In English jargon, "pro-life" means anti-abortion. Just like "right to choose" means pro abortion. His comment seems to take the phrase literally. Maybe someone should explain this to the Holy Father. Taken literally, only vegans can be said to be "pro-life." In English jargon, "pro-life" has nothing to do with birth control, gay marriage or a host of other actions the Church forbids. There is a very long list of things the Church does not allow Catholics to choose. Catholicism is not a "right to choose" religion. Every country on the plant has immigration laws. Are they all to be condemned and not "pro-life", or only the US? And just as a humorous aside, the Vatican is surrounded by a wall.

Chuck

If I hear another person say that Jesus would have been "Liberal" and allowed immigrants to do whatever the hell they want, I will choke. Anyone with the idea in their head that Jesus would have been for Big Government (Rome, like the Rome that killed him) is completely in their own world. Ive even had people say Jesus would have approved of high taxes to help others.....how many references to taxation and taxes being evil are there in the Bible???...... This Pope does not represent Jesus whatsoever.

Jim D.

It is amazing to me how comfortable the rest of the world is with spending America's money. The Pope is not the only one that has expressed what the US should do with its illegal aliens. I won't call them "dreamers" because it lessens their true nature. Call them collateral damage, unwitting participants... whatever. They are still illegal aliens.

I'm not Catholic, so to me, the Pope is just a guy in funny hat and a dress that doesn't get laid. His opinion carries no more weight with me than the opinions of millions of others. If he feels some sort of responsibility towards these illegal aliens, then let him fire up the Pope-plane, the Pope-boat, and the Pope-mobile, and he can bring them all to Vatican City and let these illegal aliens drain his resources instead. Since an overwhelming majority of them are Catholic, it seems only right he put his money where his mouth is. And if he's not willing to do that, then he can SHUT HIS CAKE HOLE AND MIND HIS OWN BUSINESS!

Notice we don't hear a word out of the countries from where all these illegal aliens emigrate. You don't hear them saying, "oh please send our people back." You don't see them offering to help the US shoulder the burden of their existence here by sending money. They are quite content to sit back and let THEIR people be a drain on OUR resources.

Don't get me wrong. I feel bad for the children that were brought over. Whether intentional or not, their parents made them criminals. The US did not! Instead of all the bleeding heart nitwits protesting in the street, what I would like to see is for them to put up or shut up. Instead of marching up and down the street being a royal pain in the ass to everyone, why don't they help some of these illegal aliens to become legal. Take they to their local INS office, get the forms and help them fill out the paperwork. Pay the application fee for them. (These protesters must have some money because they sure aren't working for a living.) Give the illegal aliens a place to stay while they're waiting for their application to go through. Teach them about American history and government so they can pass the test. Be the first one there to congratulate their illegal aliens when they take the oath and become naturalized citizens. You see, that would actually be doing something to solve the problem and benefit the illegal aliens. But it's so much easier for these wah-wah snowflakes to protest and be annoying without accomplishing anything.

Hmmm... I know it's Friday, but I must be feeling a little cranky. It's just stuff like this that pisses me off.

Gary

Pope Francis is looking for the best interest of all and had every right to question trump on this issue. It is important to maintain your word. Word is bond.

Lyn

OMG! There are so many issues going here! One, is the definition of pro-life. I happen to agree with the Pope. You aren't pro-life, if your care about life ends when the child enters the world. It's a life long obligation to care for all living creatures. Hence, the remarks by PopeFrancis. Now the problem comes in when even American Catholics choose to ignore the plight of others. We have an unequal democracy with our system of capitalism. If you follow Catholic reasoning, you are required to not use birth control. It may fill the pews, it owes nothing to alleviate poverty.

Asking if Donald Trump is pro-life depends on his audience, not his internal moral compass. What is interesting and disturbing is his intent of deporting the DACA folks. It gets dicey when you consider he defined Mexicans as criminals, drug runners and gang members. But with the DACA folks, he is deporting the best of the best. I think, because the dreamers willingly turned In all their info including parents and relatives, they are an easy target. Does anyone think they should be first on the list to get kicked out?WTF!!! How screwed up is that? How about unloading our prisons of illegals? We don't need them and they cost us a fortune to incarcerate. Surely there are 800,000 prisoners to deport instead of the 800,000 DACA folks.

Look. I could go on forever but this is enough to say and underline how complex the issues are.

Chuck

He is a tool of Satan, plain as day. Not to mention he publically has declared Lucifer “God” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eHVXmT4weM Read more at https://www.themonastery.org/blog/2017/09/pope-francis-questions-whether-trump-is-really-pro-life/#plMPVySeUYwGYmQB.99

Chuck

Pope Francis is pure evil, pretending to be the big hearted socialist Pope. For those unaware, the Catholic Church has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity, other than to defile it. The Church began as damage control for Rome against a growing number of Gnostic Christians (true Christians), so that Rome could continue on under the veil of being the Christian Church. By pretending to be Christian Rome was able to keep its worldwide political power, its high priests, its temples (churches), its Babylonian based ceremonies disguised as Christian ceremonies, and to top it all off they perform "Mass", which is actually a celebration of killing Christ to include eating his flesh and drinking his blood. Sodomy and pedophilia are Babylonian sex magic, and that's why the church still practices them! They worship Babylonian Nimrod, Tammuz and Isis....which they now use God, Jesus and Mary as cover for. They replaced their lower Babylonian gods of (fill in the blank), with the "patron saints" of (fill in the blank).

This Jesuit Pope is part of the most evil Frat in the Church.... IHS (In His Service) is referring to Satan!

They are directly involved in bringing about Satanic One World Government in conjunction with the other evil world powers that be. THAT is why this Pope (another word for Caeser) is political and supports anything that goes against nation's sovereignty...... because you cant have Satanic world dictatorship with independent nations laying around. So the messengers of evil can go to hell......Pope, United Nations, International Banking, Royalty, Israel, "Socialism", etc.

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Dawn Pisturino

Pope Francis is injecting his own politics into Catholic theology, and I don't like it. In fact, he doesn't seem to be very popular among American Catholics because he is always criticizing us and putting a guilt trip on us. John Paul II was a true Pope and a true Saint.

Michael Fullmer

I believe the Pope as with religion in general should & must remain as neutral as possible. This Pontiff has done nothing but agitate since coming to power. If he wants to be political maybe the church should pay taxes. That goes for any religion, then they can bitch.

Kate the RC Duid

Pope Francis is a true gift to both the Church and the world. If he'd been Pope 50 years ago the Church wouldn't be hemorrhaging parishioners like it is and has been for decades. He has an obligation to teach his flock and as a modern Pontif he's using the media just like our appalling Commander in Twit.

By the way, the Jesuits are not considered a cloistered order, in fact they are usually considered too much of the world.

Bill Fox

I'm all for legal immigration where the people coming to the US are fully vetted and follow all the rules, whether a 2 week vacation visa, resident alien visa, or to apply for citizenship. If all a person has to do is get here and then wait for amnesty, there will be no control by the government. There is a difference between life threatening and a crappy life. The Pope isn't taking this into consideration.

Johnny Doeseph

No, the pope is wrong. Illegal citizens have no right in this country. I am not against immigration, as it is very valuable. However, the fact remains that their cannot be such thing as a law abiding illegal alien. We should not dampen legal immigration, but do not hesitate to deport those who stay here illegally as a burden to this country.

Debi K Baughman

One of the big mistakes here is that people are looking at this as punishment. While the average opinion that Trump is sending them all back is not true, the wording of how people view this and the interpretation is incorrect. Sending anybody back is not meant as a punishment, but as a way to take care of the legal system of our Nation. It is not a punishment.

Sylke James

Pope Francis is the first Pope in my 64 years that I have no faith in at all. I understand he was chosen through God's direction and still believe that's true and still do not believe the Socialist/Fascist viewpoint are solid with the teaching of the church.

Reverand Michael

While I believe everyone has a right to believe what they want. I do have some difficulty with the fact the Pope of the Catholic church. That is another issue all together. The pope in this context is wrong in what he is saying because God says this in the Bible

Acts 5:29 and Romans 13:1; I Peter 2:13

Obey God
    (Acts 5:29) - "But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must obey God rather than men."
Obey Man
    (Romans 13:1) - "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God."
    (1 Peter 2:13) - "Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority,"

The simple answer is that Christians are to obey human law except where that human law violates God's Law. Our supreme duty is to obey God. Since God tells us to also obey human laws, we should. But, when they come in conflict, we are to "obey God rather than men."

So in fairness by obeying the constitution which is mans laws no where in there does it say we will kill any dreamer or what truthfully is illegal person in the USA. No it was not their fault they were brought to the US, but through the DACA agreement they were to when they became of age a Legal Citizen which 98% did not do. There are lots of dreamers who are in their 30's They have had plenty of time to do so but have chose not to, which is not obeying the laws of the land. My family immigrated here and lawfully became citizens of America. How difficult is it to do it legally it is not that hard.

Chuck

This "Pope" is completely out of line on every topic he talks about. This is a New World Order (Satanic One World Government) Pope. He is the first Jesuit Pope, because the Jesuits have always served as the "Black Pope", or militant arm behind the Catholic Church. He is a tool of Satan, plain as day. Not to mention he publically has declared Lucifer "God" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eHVXmT4weM

Bobby French

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year and I agree. I say do background checks, if they have a criminal record, not paying taxes or don't have a job deport them. All others must be able to become US citizens within 1 year. God Bless America and the Holy Land Israel.

Rev Ned

If you claim to be "pro life", then, like the Pope, you should be against the taking of any life. If you are against abortion, but for the death penalty, then, IMO, your views are not pro life, but pro choice.

Chad Ali

As an immigrant who's family came here and struggled to become citizens legally I support president Trump. Their is a right and wrong way to do things and if your wrong that's your fault not the US government.

Thom

So far this pope has been disappointing and yes he was out of line

Minister Justin

Pope Francis is the worst Pope I've seen yet Pope Urban wild be ashamed at the state of the archdiocese!

phil

In my opinion it is not the United States responsibility to take on every problem in the world and when we don't we have no support from the world. We do a lot of good and what is wrong with these countries that don't take care of their own people to start?

Rob

I am not sure what faiths everyone represent who have commented here, but I have been struggling reconciling my faith with political decisions being made as of late. It seems to me that some people are creating yet another divide between us: those that choose their faith and those that choose their politics. Again, do we have any common ground?

And although I have not done this much before, because I found it a cliche, I do wonder "what would Jesus do" with some of these issues facing our country.

Rev. Nancy Willingham

My guess is that the Holy Father does not understand that A) DACA is being challenged as an unconstitutional presidential action that needs to be created or amended by the the Legislature. Because we have three branches of government and the President is not a king nor does he make the laws. B) Rescinding DACA only means that "Dreamers" will be treated like other undocumented aliens who have some rights and and protections under our laws. C) Pres. Trump is delaying the enforcement of the repeal for 6 months, so that Congress can do just that. D) The President is actively working with the Congress to create a bipartisan Legislative solution (to the horror of come conservatives). E) Being pro-life and pro-open borders are two different things. This how the Holy Father logically can be pro-life and at the same time not remove the wall that surrounds his country, The Vatican.

Lea Weisenbach

The very poor gives to the Cathoiic church. Yes..Pope Frances is looking for more seats. He has no business questioning Trump if he's pro life and he also has no place to tell us how to run our country. The DACA was set up to help these children to become citizens. These people should stop sending money to the pope and put it towards citizenship...If we had our wall maybe this line would move faster. The children always suffer because of the parents wrong doing..

angel

And I question the pope's relevence in his questioning of our President and politics! Religion has NOTHING to do with our rights and so long as our rights are protected, the pope can take his opinion and save it for the vatican!

Alicia

I wonder if Pope Francis, since he is pro-life, will be willing to take in some of these illegals. The Vatican has plenty of room. He can load up that Papal plane and bring them over there.

He needs to get his nose out of US politics, especially about immigration issues and especially if he's not willing to take on some illegals himself.

Ellis L Keyes

Prohibition Against Idolatry The Antichrist is an Image of Christ crusifed, it represents death and has been promoted as God through Christianity. Man is as much affected pleasurably or painfully by the image of a thing past or future as by the image of a thing present. Proof.-So long as a man is affected by the image of anything, he will regard that thing as present, even though it be non-existent, he will not conceive it as past or future, except in so far as its image is joined to the image of time past or future. Wherefore the image of a thing, regarded in itself alone, is identical, whether it be referred to time past, time future, or time present ; that , the disposition or emotion of the body is identical, whether the image be of a thing past, future, or present. Thus the emotion of pleasure or pain is the same, whether the image be of a thing past or future. A thing past or future, according as we either have been or shall be affected thereby. For instance, according as we have seen it, or are about to see it, according as it has recreated us, or will recreate us, according as it has harmed us, or will harm us. For, as we thus conceive it, we affirm its existence ; that is, the body is affected by no emotion which excludes the existence of the thing, and therefore the body is affected by the image of the thing, in the same way as if the thing were actually present. So the Pope represents that image and if he is pro life he should not advocate such an abomination and be empowered by an Image of Christ death.

Beth K

The problem with most pro-life stances is that they aren't really. If one is anti-abortion and pro-death penalty, they are not pro-life. If they are anti-abortion in cases where carrying to term will take the life of the mother, they are not pro-life. If they are pro-war, they are not pro-life. If they are against providing health care to all people - pregnant or not, infants or not, they are not pro-life. Seriously: Is it really pro-life to have an infant born, then expect the child to pull himself up by his bootie-straps so that he can afford to pay for anything from heart surgery to vaccinations? Is it pro-life to have some people with diseases that killed many people in prior centuries (measles, polio, rheumatic fever) to spread it to others, who cannot take the vaccination? No, this version is not pro-life. It is pro-birth.

Many of these DACA children would be sent back to a country they've never known, cannot speak the language, and in many cases, are dangerous because of civil war or drug gangs - drug gangs which exist to fulfill the demand for drugs and other contraband in the United States.

Ken

This Pope is an ASS

John Owens

A) NOBODY is planning to deport the dreamers, unless of course they have a criminal record of felonies. B) This pope is a fink, a globalist, a New World Order false prophet, a commie, and an over-educated imbecile due to being cloistered, so nothing he says really matters or carries any importance. C) DACA was illegal since its inception, and PROVISIONAL or (for you functional illiterates) TEMPORARY, and the Democratic leadership announced this morning or last night that there WILL be a congressional replacement for it, with some more permanent way of addressing people who were brought here at an early age, illegally, and have grown up here. DACA just gave them a chance to renew their stay each two years.

Rev. Hoagie

Pope Frances questions whether Trump is pro-life? I question if Pope Francis is Catholic. That aside Trump made no claim to send anybody back. He told Congress to fix the problem as it is their Legal Duty to do so, NOT HIS. I realize all those years under Obama who thought the president was supposed to dictate laws has you confused but Congress passes the laws, the executive enforces them.

"Would it be morally right to send these people back to a country they’ve never known as punishment for the mistakes of their parents? Is enforcing the letter of the law worth uprooting lives and breaking up families?". If those "families" had broken into your house and demanded to stay would you be morally right to call the cops and have them tossed out, kids and all? If they sneaked into Disneyland would the Park be morally right to toss them out? Of course it's morally right, they broke the law.

And "An alternative definition of pro-life could read something like this: the belief that every human life is sacred, no matter the person’s country of origin." is not a definition of pro-life, it's a definition of the right to equal treatment under the law. Only if the threat of death is involved can it be a question of pro-life. As in abortion. Or execution. Not illegal entry into our sovereign nation. And just because every person on earth's life is sacred does not give 7 billion people the "right" to enter our country uninvited.

Rev. Tom Brown

I remember when Caesar Chavez was organizing farm workers in California and the growers, republicans all, took buses across the border and hired illegal aliens who were brought across to break the strike and keep the farm workers poor. I am also sorry to say that my union the Teamsters backed this move. The parents of the DACA folks are the cause of the problem, by having more children then they can afford, by being too cowardly to stop the corruption in their own country so they come here to add to our corruption. I owe these folks nothing but a felony conviction for crossing the border illegally.