Pope Francis just issued yet another strong warning over climate change and global warming, calling the unchecked production of fossil fuels and pollution of the planet an “ecological sin” which must be repented.
Much of Pope Francis’ legacy is tied to his climate change activism, as his papacy has often been devoted to getting the more than one billion Catholics in the world on board with acknowledging humanity’s role in our changing climate.
Now Pope Francis is again issuing warnings against the “consumerist greed” of oil and gas companies which he says is a sin which may doom us all.
Ecological Sin?
“Let us repent our ecological sins,” said Pope Francis in a statement for the World Day of Prayer for the Care of Creation. “With the help of God’s grace, let us adopt lifestyles marked by less waste and unnecessary consumption, especially where the processes of production are toxic and unsustainable.”
Calling for “a rapid and equitable transition to end the era of fossil fuel,” the pontiff painted the greed of fossil fuel companies as a systemic “injustice towards the poor and towards our children, who will bear the worst effects of climate change.”
It is clear,” he argues, “that the richer nations have contracted an ‘ecological debt’ that must be paid.”
Pope Francis views “ecological sins” as some of the gravest of our time, an offense to our fellow neighbors which deprives them of a habitable home in which to live. Previously, Pope Francis has warned that ecological sins are causing earth “to look more and more like an immense pile of filth," and that "the unrestrained burning of fossil fuels and the destruction of forests are pushing temperatures higher and leading to massive droughts."
The pope now says we must repent our ecological sins and businesses, governments, and individuals alike must work towards living more sustainably and humbly, before it’s too late.
A Faith Divided
More and more, it seems that Pope Francis’ belief that we must work quickly to reverse climate change is becoming mainstream, even in religious circles.
Last year, the National Association of Evangelicals released a 50-page report on climate change, arguing for what they say is the “biblical basis” for climate activism.
“The Bible does not tell us anything directly about how to evaluate scientific reports or how to respond to a changing environment,” reads the report. “But it does give several helpful principles: Care for creation, love our neighbors and witness to the world.”
Still, not every Christian leader is on board with such measures. One of the world’s most famous evangelicals, Franklin Graham, has routinely dismissed climate change, arguing that a changing climate is not a new phenomenon, arguing that you can actually even see it in the Bible.
“Climate change is nothing new—the Bible records it over 4,000 years ago,” he wrote in a 2021 Facebook post. Pointing to the story of Noah, he said that “God brought His judgment on the wickedness and evil that had overtaken the world through a great flood. It rained for 40 days and 40 nights and springs burst forth with water, flooding the entire earth.”
Other evangelical leaders say that we can simply trust in God not to destroy the world. Famed evangelist Robert Jeffress had pointed words for then-teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg, saying that “somebody needs to read poor Greta Genesis, Chapter 9 and tell her the next time she worries about global warming, just look at a rainbow. That's God's promise that the polar ice caps aren't going to melt and flood the world again.”
Both Franklin and Jeffress have expressed a different sentiment, too: that it simply doesn't matter. If the rapture comes soon (both seem to believe it will), what does it matter if there's trash in the ocean or if the global temperature is ticking up? We’ll all be in the kingdom of heaven soon, goes their argument.
So, when it comes to convincing his fellow faith leaders, Pope Francis may have more of an uphill battle than he realizes.
What is your reaction?
93 comments
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Richard Lee Cornell
Ye who flies in jet, ye who drives car, ye who have the faithful breed like flies. Speak ill of who again. Sorry Pope your the problem. Now to solve that problem your faithful needs to stop breeding. Now another solution is for God to bring back Small Pox.
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Kenneth Kling
Is he going to instruct his Parish Priests to provide absolution to those who confess their "climate" transgressions? Lead your flock to God and/or Godly ways. Leave the worldly "issues" to the biased masses .........
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Kenneth Kling
Is he going to instruct his parish priest to provide absolution during confession? This Pope is off the rails ...... I'm wondering if he has become a bit senile ......... lead your flock to God and leave the hoodoo voodoo business of climate change to the wizards in the pointy hats.
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Jose Antonio Miranda
The Pope is absolutely right! God gave us the Earth to live in and we the humans have not respected it and abused it. Avarice, profits and wealth accumulation have been the driven forces that caused the disasters we are facing. People have forgotten that no matter how much wealth they have been able to accumulate, this will be irrelevant if we have no air to breath or water to drink! Let’s take care of the environment, please!🙏
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Harding Gay Harrison
No. The pope is not right. He is fallible. Makes me wonder whose payroll he is on. The Global climate had gone through high/low cycles about every 10,000 tears or so. Ice core samples show that the Arctic had iceless Summers about 8,000 year ago. The earth is on a global COOLING cycle at the moment. If "civilized" societies completely stopped fossil fuel use tomorrow, there would be no change in the cyclic nature of climate.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Omg. Thank you for your great insight. There are a few of us in here who actually see the freaking light. Mankind won't die because God created us but what we are doing playing God will wreak havoc on the planet. It's like saying not even God can sink the Titantic. Or man can end all wars . Ha. God is in control and not mere puny man. And what he spills out man may wish not to exist.His wrath can be pretty harsh.
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Herbert William Kleinfeld
So much for separation of church. This old man needs to leave politics to the politicians.
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John Richard Schlank
I keep hearing from the left that 90% of scientists believe global warming is man made from greenhouse gasses and such. The problem I have with this is from everything I’ve read and researched, as a nonpartisan, it seems more like 50% for and against. During the 1970s the same “90%” of scientists were predicting another ice age in our time, whenever that is.
No scientists challenge the idea that the Earth has had warming and cooling trends as far back as they can check. Is global warming another one of those or is it just a way to declare war on fossil fuel. Is it a sin? That’s not up to me. “Global warming” seems to be the latest excuse by politicians from massive forest fires caused by lightning and downed electric cables to riots and arson. Global warming is turned into a cultural meme.
If the Pope wants to declare cultural sins, how about declaring drunk driving a sin since it’s happening now and kills a lot more people than global warming.
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ServantOfJudgement
John, you couldn't have said it any better. I remember reading about the coming ice age in the 70s. They had TV programs saying as much. Scientists wanted to sprinkle coal dust on the polar caps to melt them! Coal dust!! Imagine if the world followed those scientists. Those same scientists want to block the sun now. God help us all!
Stay safe
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Annette Theresa Payne-Powell
If climate change is real then it began in 2011, when the earthquake happened that caused the tsunami in Japan, that knocked the Earth 6.5" off its axis. They had to remark runways around the world, so one should assume that is going to cause the melting of the ice caps that were exposed as the result of this. Now the big problem is that the scientists are not even discussing is the melting of the permafrost in those areas. The permafrost gives off carbon from the melting of the organic matter that is decay at an astonishing rate that it is going to produce more carbon into the atmosphere than humanity has in all of its history, as it is predicted by some to be approximately 3.5 times more than the industrialized nations of the world and those who followed with the global economy that has occurred since then. And that does not include the methane gas that is being released from this organic matter decaying which will only intensify the carbon being released from the melting permafrost. This is evidenced by the newly reported sink holes being discovered around the world especially in Russia and Canada and even Alaska and other places as the result of the permafrost melting. So it seems that there is nothing that can be done to prevent the destruction of the human race by 2050 if climate scientists are right about global warming, which honestly this nothing more than a plot for global elites to profit from their criminal actions that have all but guaranteed the destruction of the human race with their evil ponzi scheme to steal the money from everyone in the world in the final days of our existence. They are nothing but a bunch of psychopathic narcissists who believe they deserve to have everything that the people of the world have worked hard to earn which they are stealing from every country in the final days of humanity.
Dont believe it check this out as most arent even talking about what is really going on and what it means for the people on this planet.
https://youtu.be/zuiQtLAUi6U https://youtu.be/iE6QIDJIcUQ
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Amber Fry
I am not one to believe in the ideas of sin along the same lines as what Christian doctrine lays out but according to the bible if a person claims to be Christian then yes, he is right. That aside, if we are responsible then we should at least do what we can to clean it up as much as humanly possible. Sin aside, our lives would depend on it.
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Charles Wesley Fuller
"consumerist greed"?this coming from the head of the church responsible for the most horrific crimes to mankind in the history of this world.
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Kevin M. Erem
Not only is he wrong, he is taking a side in a political arena he has no business being a part of.
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Jaycee Ngomane
I wouldn't say its a sin, however it's something the body of Christ should take part in. It's high time we take off our garments and join the fight. I think the church is too spiritual and sometimes forget that we still live in the flesh and still breathing the same breath as everyone.
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Bradford Jeffrey Jones
May God continue to bless the Bishop of Rome! He is absolutely correct.
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Annette Theresa Payne-Powell
Well if you believe the global warming scientists, it is important to realize they have left out a few minor details that amount to being something very major for humanity and it was brought about by something that was caused by mankind but no one is willing to admit what has happened and who was responsible. For those of you here who do not remember the first major tsunami that occurred in recent history occurred in 2011, which actually shift the Earth off its axis by approximately 6.5" which was approximately 6-7 degrees. That shift would naturally result in the melting of the areas of the previous ice caps that are now exposed to warmer temperatures, however what they have failed to discuss is if in fact the permafrost is melting at the rates they claim, that will produce approximately 3.5 times more carbon than humanity has in its entire existence and that will be increased by the release of methane gas that is being created by the decay of the matter that has been frozen for centuries, which is causing massive sink holes in Russia, Canada and Alaska. This means that their failure to accurately disclose this information is done to protect the elites from the revolt that will occur when the people discover it was due to their messing with the weather to support their plans to kill off humanity that cause the massive Earthquake that caused this chain reaction to happen. There is nothing that we can do to save the Planet if this is in fact true and with sciences failure to mention this occurred has me very concerned that they are either a part of the fraud or they are just products of the public education system intended to fuel their greed by the creation of the global economy for them to continue to profit from the lack of environmental protection in other countries. Have you heard of any of the rich giving up anything that they have earned from their crimes against humanity? I certainly havent but if I am wrong about that please tell me. If it is true that the ice caps are truly melting that is the actual reason for it and to date no one has taken responsibility for the events that caused this to happen in 2011, but the effects will begin to develop slowly and grow until approximately 2050 when carbon dioxide produced from the decay of the permafrost has been completed and the levels of methane gas will be to the point that there will be no more life on Earth and all the Kings Horses and all the Kingsmen will be able to repair this situation no matter how hard they try unless what ever happened can be done again which is doubtful since no one wants to admit that is the cause of this global warming nonsense designed for the rich to get rich for the time we have left on this planet. Now that is just how sick these people truly are.
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Gary Leu
The debate is long over. We’ve known this was coming for 50 years. “Belief” in human caused climate change is ridiculous. That’s like “believing” in gravity. This isn’t religion. The facts about climate change are not changed be belief. Is coming for despite your willful ignorance.
The Pope is right. Mankind’s abuse of the environment is a grievous sin.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
You people in here are really stupid believing in climate change. Follow the money fools. These elites are pushing a genocidal agenda out to destroy people and the climate. They are so bored with their own lives they want to police everyone else that they don't kill off. The science behind climate change is bogus. Follow the money. Look at what they're doing to the environment with alternate energy. What lithium mining does to the environment and the enslavement of the 3rd world world to mine it for your stupid cellular phones. Alternative energy was supposed to be cheaper. Instead, it is more expensive. The jobs they create are short term. Not long term like in the fossil industry. Then the windmills kill wildlife and fowl. Have you seen a deer jump into a solar field and ends up jumping into a solar panel becoming impaled and struggling slowly dying . Your lithium batteries with danger to the ground water when they leak into the water supply. There is o way to recycle lithium batteries. And the ability to afford an electric car and charging it up every 100 miles taking 8 hours to do it finding it's more expensive then gas. I have nothing against alternative energy but we're going about it the wrong way. Early electric cars were based on a generator and batteries like what we now have in gas cars. You generate your own energy while driving. Batteries will last lo get. Electric cars today if just sitting a few days will still lose energy. You're wasting it. These elites want you to eat bugs, tree bark, fake meat. They want to andvate already spraying fruit and vegetables with a spray that causes longer life for the produce but cancer in the individual eating it. The mRNA vaccines they are no pumping into livestock.
The covid shots and boosters which are making young children sterile to keep the population down. If this backfires the human race could die out. And the people that are dying from them.
Playing God with the weather putting Chen trails in the air through jets to cool the earth's temperature not realizing that there needs to be a balance with the earth's atmosphere and the internal temperature. If the earth cools it creates more possibility of volcanic eruptions and earthquakes to warm the upper temperatures.
This pope has signed on to the genocidal mania of climate change. He's a false pope. Private revelations adhere to that.. He meets the requirements of a false pope teaching what goes against doctrine reaching out to those living together without marriage. Homosexuals being g e mbraced . Both with no call to repentance.
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Bradford Jeffrey Jones
Your post is absurd, and almost completely devoid of fact.
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Kevin M. Erem
A fool is led by the blind.
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Bradford Jeffrey Jones
Your post is absurd, and almost completely devoid of fact.
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Brien
This is a great discussion about mythical, fictitious beliefs that have NOTHING to with the topic of climate conditions. The trouble with blind faith is instead of at least trying to make a perceived problem better, you will discuss how your mythical being feels about it. It is a shame that 50% of the world's intelligence has been forever poisoned by superstitious beliefs invented a couple of thousand years ago. So, are you part of the solution or part of the problem? Well, if you perceive a problem and do nothing but try to convince me of it, then you are part of the problem. Try actually doing something about it.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Brown, we might not all be there yet, but we're getting better. I've found it best to practice progress, rather than perfection. Yesterday, I received another CD in the mail from Amazon called The Very Best Of John Lennon. And the first song is the main reason I ordered it. It's called Imagine. Yesterday from Amazon I also received a DVD of the movie Stonewall. And throughout this month, whenever this old shaved head white boy is wearing an African men's Dashiki shawl, and a Gay Pride bracelet. I never did all that before, so I must be getting better.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
The worthless spell checker changed Brien to Brown in my comment directly above. Please post this correction.
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Daniel Todd Kamm
I agree with him too.
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ServantOfJudgement
I've noticed the more man fights against the 2nd ammendment the hotter the atmosphere. Since we've permitted abortion the air got hotter. When men became feminized the oceans got hotter. Increased federal budget seems to increase hurricanes severety. More efficient vehicles seem to have made more tornadoes. Ben and Jerry's ice-cream seems to have appeared when climbing change did. Justin Trudeaus birth coincides with high Temps. YouTube advertising appears to have an effect on pacific typhoons, they're getting worse. Organic pet food appeared around the same time as melting glaciers. Pants. Pants could be the problem. Ever since we've started wearing pants things just seem to be getting worse. There's alot more guys, what about those fake candy cigarettes? Notice once they got invented so did hot air?
Gee, I wonder if that giant ball of electro-nuclear fire in the sky has anything to to with it. No, that's obsurd, to think a super massive fire that heats the planet could possibly alter our temperature as it's energy output fluctuates is dumb. Yea, that's a very stupid thought. We all know the energy output of fires have no effect on temperatures, especially the electro nuclear kind. Dumb, dumb dumb. Imagine if the sky wre full of giant sky fires and they all had an effect on temperature. Like if we were in a "galaxy" with like 200 billion sky ball fires. Like if the giant sky ball fires all together had subtle effects on planetary Temps. Dumb. Very dumb. I'm glad smart people are on this problem. Obviously cow farts have more to do with it than the giant sky fire were right next to ever could. Thank the big bang and funky sand for smart people, they're smart.
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Kevin M. Erem
Love it
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Douglas Robert Spindler
I was hopping the pope would say religion is a financial sin. Anyone seen the financial scam the Mormons have pulled for the past 25 years? Over the past 25 years LDS elders have been lying to the church members and the US government, which is illegal about the money they collected to help the poor, hungry, and homeless. Instead of helping those in need the church purchased shopping centers, stocks,, bonds, real estate, and other businesses.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
You really live in a despicable beating world. Only Jesus provides hope. Accept him.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@ Keith Allen Steele Eash. Don’t you live in the same world I do? Jesus, God and hope provide a false hope. They only exist in your mind. How can I accept something that existed. That’s silly.
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Colleen McAllister
I agree with the Pope. I have been in the labs and seen the evidence. Call it what you will humans are responsible for the worsening of the Earth's climate. Too many people in cramped places. Not caring about how much we pollute. Not caring for others or the creatures on this Earth. It all adds up. God did not give us this planet to ruin but like children who trash their rooms we surely have done it.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Oh boy. The evidence exists in the labs. You've been eating to.much lab processed fake meat . To much CNN & MSNBC. Smart cities will.really be cramped. The new age prison cell.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I know what you mean by nurturing strength of spirit to guide me in sudden misfortune, Ehrman. If I'm not careful those popcorn kernels could break another one of my sixty year old teeth.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
It's about time for a bag of Orville Redenbacher's movie theater butter microwave popcorn, and a good movie. Don't worry, the bag is biodegradable.
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Clay Serenbetz
The Pope is realistic to worry. It has nothing to do with God, but ourselves. We have the tools, but lack the Will.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Wasn't mankind declared the caretakers of the world? Christians suck at taking care of what God/Jesus told them to: The Earth, the poor, the hungry, etc. They're more concerned with persecuting: non-whites, LBGTQ people and drag queens. Oh and protecting pedophile priests.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
I think you're gaslighting. Pull your head out.
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Echo
Seem accurate to me. The amount of persecution going on and the lack of taking care is just inherently that bad.
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Christen Mary Burns
I agree. And just because someone calls themselves a "Christian" does not mean they are perfect or do all the right things. I believe, especially now, we need to remember that PRAYERS, not only for ourselves but for others and earth, are VERY VERY important. Right now. Instead of saying who is right, who is wrong, or stating what we "think", let's let God and Divine Source be the judge and let us do our part, and pray.
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Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson
The climate has changed for as long as the planet has had an atmosphere. However, I do think human activity is fouling the nest.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
And this is how sects are formed. “Hey, ya’ think ‘bout adding this? Mr. Magic spoke to me.”
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Dr. Zerperzande, those magic mushrooms will speak to anyone. They're especially good when blended into homemade chocolate candy bars.
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Rev. MichaelRS
No reasonable person in the entire world denies climate change. The climate is always changing. It has been for millions of years.
For example here in California everybody freaks out because we have drought conditions that last a few years and of course the leftist politician blame it on climate change.
However, from 1140 to 1320 California had a drought that lasted for 180 years. SCIENTISTS (and we know how much the left love science, except when empirical evidence goes against their position) confirm this through their methods and which are easily searchable for an exclamation of them. Prior to that somewhere around the year 900 we had a drought that lasted some 240 years.
What was it changing the climate that caused those drows then? Must have been the campfires of a few thousand Native Americans we had scattered throughout what is now modern California.
No, what people have issues with is the alarmist predictions over the last 50 years that have not come true and blaming every little deviation in the weather on man-made reasons in particular fossil fuels.
Not only is the issue how much man has really caused any of these problems the other issue is what can really be done to mitigate them.
Thirdly it does absolutely no good the countries of North America and Europe to shoot themselves in the economic foot over these climate change initiatives while other countries are not.
In 2022 China was permitting two new coal power plants per week... and they are still building them all while we are putting ourselves in an energy disadvantage.
Again that is information that is easily searchable.
And who is behind this large solar push besides the useful idiots of the green extremist ideology? China. Because who supplies us with most of our solar panels China.
So they build more coal power plants to fuel their industry so we can buy solar panels to Virtue signal and feel good about ourselves aboit how much we are doing for the environment.
What a bunch of saps
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Najah P Tamargo
Minister Najah Tamargo USA
Being a SBNR person, I must admit I throw my hat in with the Pope. He is correct!!! The destruction of our planet IS MAN's fault and we should do everything in our power to protect her. This planet is all we have. If it is gone, we are ALL gone. Climate change and global warming are responsible for the increase in storms, the severity of hurricanes, fires, etc. That is MAN's doing.....not God. Mother Nature is telling us, in the only ways she can, that she is NOT happy with us.
And as a side note.....Mr. Jeffrees isn't well versed in "rainbows". Unless he is referring to the "frozen rainforest" in Greenland, which I seriously doubt. He needs to lay off Greta!!!
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Climate change does exist. It happens every season. It also happens cyclical. There will be another earth with both poles becomi.g rain forests, then eventually another ice age. It's bound to happen. And do you have any faith in God: the Alpha & Omega, the beginning and the end. He's in charge. We aren't going to destroy ourselves. But, if we allow the elites to take control they will kill off billions of people and rape the world for alternative energy which is a money.maker for them.
Whatever happened to a water combustible engine, or an electric car with batteries like we gave to start them with a generator that charges them. That's the only way to go. But, wait! There's no profit. Man you really need some training in logic.-
ServantOfJudgement
Right on. Imagine if scientists just figured out the days get longer in summertime. Heck, they'd project daytime lasting 45 days straight inside 10 years. Oh the sheer panic! Children with degrees and silver spoons make for an oppressed population.
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Mark Gilgen
Your right. There has been 7 catastrophic events in the worlds history, most before MAN existed. so to say it is mans fault alone is wrong. YES people need to start taking care of Mother Earth better but so do so called Governments. I.E stop testing BOMBS in the ocean, STOP trying to Control the weather, and DONT trust the science..they created this mess. All in All we NEED more GOD in our lives and STOP trying to control what God created.
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Virginia A. Dias
Agree with you. These things happened way before man existed. Earth is alive and we have cycles. Besides, the solution they want to impose in the name of taking care of the planet are even more absurd. Look at the electric car batteries. They will pollute much more than fossils. They don’t know what to do with those. They need energy to make things work. It’s complete ignorance to say we need to avoid gas for cooking or warming up or cooling down because we will kill forests to get wood. Forests are the lungs of the world. Unfortunately, we have a lot more population than before and countries such as India and China do not care about garbage. We need more God in our lives instead of blaming the oil people, like the Pipe Francisco does. The government officials are liars and all presidents end up their period multimillionaires. Pope should pray, not be involved in politics.
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Vicki Leathers Moore
I agree with you. But also, how can we be so gun ho about protecting the earth when we allow the murder of millions of babies, and the abomination of same sex marriage? Seems lop sided to me.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I've become quite a homebody, and as long as I've got a good air conditioner I'm not troubled by it. It's not likely to get too hot to handle during our lifetimes, so let future generations deal with it, if they haven't found a good exo planet to migrate to by then. I bet there won't be a Pope or a Vatican on the next planet humanity destroys, but many ULC Ministers. We'll undoubtedly leave such mistakes behind.
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ServantOfJudgement
Climbing change is one of my favorite insanities we've given ourselves. Sure we're terrible polluters, especially the countries we outsource our slavery to. The slaver nations we contract with don't care about clean earth, just cash.
I've lost count of how many times we were doomed only to run past that date headed for another doomsday and then run past that one. If they're not liars they're idiots.
Climbing Change: It's always getting worse, everything we do makes it worse, nothing we do makes it better, the poor are responsible, the rich need jets to fix it, it's always the same, it's never the same. Planting trees makes it worse, planting trees makes it better. Shutting the earth down for a year makes it worse. Drilling for oil makes it worse, strip mining lithium has no effect
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Rev. Carol M Anaski-Figurski
We are all growing in the kingdom of God. Amen to that!
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Lionheart
Which mythical god would that be, Carol? 🤔
🦁❤️
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James E. Shelters
You should learn the true facts about Climate change and Global warming. God gave us a brain with the ability to use it. The Earth is here to provide us the the essentials to exist. Climate change and Global warming, along with precipitation, wind and fire to replenish and repair the earth for future use. The Earth will always be here...we will not.
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Rev. Kev
I am not of the opinion the Earth is here to do anything for us. It formed. Then we came along billions of years later. It doesn't exist with a purpose of our use. We evolved in this biosphere and, therefore, require the things it offers for energy and protection. Like all life on the planet, past and present.
There is no doubt that all of our time as an industrialized species spewing sundry compounds into the environment well beyond what would naturally occur has brought changes. We are the makers of accelerated climate change. We are the authors of the extinction of other animals. And way too many of the people in power who can actually bring about the real changes are too greedy and small-minded to care. It's too easy to ignore all that's happening when one is well-fed and living in comfort.
One thing I agree with: humans will not always be on this Earth. At the rate we're going, we'll be the cause of our own extinction. Depending on how we accomplish that, an altered Earth will still be here. It may take centuries, but it will finally absorb or abolish what we left behind. Not to be "used" (as in consciously for a purpose). But, hopefully, for whatever future life remains to live as a part of the entire ecosystem until the planet becomes a crispy critter when our Sun expands and fries it.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I'll drink to that! Please, pass the munchies.
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Pastor Jim
Absolutely, anyone who refuses to accept the fact that climate change is little more than a perpetual state of being for the past 10 to 15 billion years on this earth is inot only an "ecological sinner", they are idiots.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
To quote a famous Morrison: "I want to get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in smoke"!
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Not true. Mankind was created by God in His image. We arevhere to stay. Sorry to bust your bubble.
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Adam Kahn
The Church was created for people to help them learn about G-d and pray to G-d. That's all the Church does, that's all the Church is allowed to do.
The Church is about a religion, a faith. Faith does not need concrete evidence or proof or facts, faith exists based on pure idealism. The Church belives in G-d, but cannot prove its existence (without quoting themselves), yet blindly belives in G-d anyway, it is called dogma.
To the contrary, science rejects dogmas and operates only with facts. Science respects NO AUTORITIES, instead using a critical approach to any and every subject it touches. Science questions everything, including its own long-established laws, science breaks old beli8efs and finds new ways to the future. That's what science does.
When the Church starts messing with the scientific knowledge and with factual matters it halts human progress and brings deaths and tragedies: wrong treatment of the black plague, prosecution of Copernicus and Bruno, and Church's "Earth history", all in general cost dearly to Humanity.
When science starts copying from the Church and turns itself into a unquestionable dogma it also turns out very bad.
The Pope should stick with his prayers and leave Earth climate alone.
Climate changes. It really does. It changed during all Earth's history. It will keep changing. It is normal.
People must stop listening to psychopatic climate alarmists like Al Gore ("In 2013 the North Pole will be completely without ice", said by Al Gore in 2009), or Michael Bloomberg (who himself has mansions and helicopters and yachts and 42 cars, but asks YOU to take a bus ride "to protect the environment").
When people stop listening to these deceivers, when people stop stressing out about they have no power at all, people's life will also become much more normal.
We do indeed need to reduce pollution (plastics, chemicals, pesticides, et cetera) and press the MAJOR EARTH POLLUTANTS (China, Russia, some African and Arabian countries) to reduce the pollution. This we can do, and must do.
And the climate?
Leave it to the Sun.
(you need to be advanced NOT in "opinionology" but in real science to comprehend what I mean).
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
A breath of fresh air. Someone can actually think. Good response. Except I think the Church should be involved in itsbown scientific research. Back in the day when scientists, or should I really say philosophers the Church didn't do scientific research. Now they do. The Church should speak against pseudo science like Al Gore and Greta baby. But, embrace real scientific research. But, climate change is a farce all being done with computer modules created by the infamous Bill Gates who is definitely not a scientist but a genocidal maniac. And Al Gore is just pissed off still he never became president like Hilary Clinton. Maybe they shouldn't have killed Jeffery Epstein.
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Mary Haviland
And the pope is right, it is a man made figment of Satan's imagination 7sed to control people. Climate is controlled by yhwy. That's why Israel is now a fertile and thriving nation. They humbled themselves and turned back to they and he healed their lands, as he promised to do. But that only word if you believe in they and turn and pray to Him. He did say after all, the planet was ours to do with what we see fit.
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Lionheart
Did you read all that in a book somewhere, Mary?
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Krystina S.
G*d said that we have the Responsibility as Caretakers of the planet, of all the plants and animals therein.
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David Richard Procter
But the acquisition of money and profits is lauded by many within Christianity, and many don't care how their wealth is acquired. There is also the thinking among some along the lines of leaving ecological problems for future generations as in, "After all, look what we and our ancestors have done for YOU!"
Incidentally, I think our culture is moving towards a kind of collective insanity, and there WILL BE even more wailing and gnashing of teeth! By the way, if you are thinking about a career choice, think about counseling psychology or dentistry.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
That gnashing of teeth can be caused by too much cocaine. Try easing up on it a little, by smoking more weed.
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David Richard Procter
And you must know that from your own drug-induced experiences. It does rot the brain, and yours is already muddled.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Protect, I've got 29 year AA &NA chips in my pocket, completed a year long course to be a substance abuse counselor with a 96 overall grade average, and have been attending 12 step recovery meetings since October 15, 1983, right here in Galveston, Texas where I am very well known, and thought highly of. I'm also now sixty years old, and don't look a day over forty. It's not my mind that's muddled, sir. You should keep your projections to yourself.
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David Richard Procter
And I am a disabled Vietnam veteran with degrees in business, political science and a doctorate in education including counseling psychology. You don't seem to be educated enough to avoid "you" responses- shooting the messenger is immature thinking. You had no reason to bring up cocaine except that it is your mind that is muddled. Cocaine must be on your mind for some reason.
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David Richard Procter
https://eric.ed.gov/?pg=3&q=start+AND+mobility&id=ED348262
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
You certainly are defensive, Dr. Proctor. I'm far more educated than I'll mention. I'm just not a braggart. All the education in the world won't rid you of your character defects. For that, you'll need to work a spiritual program. And it's not a bad idea for a minister to be spiritual. Maybe eventually you'll figure that out.
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David Richard Procter
There you go with your "you" statements. You have a serious personality defect. Grow up, sonny-boi. You started this fray with your horrid and baseless accusations.
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David Richard Procter
And you can't even copy a name and spell it correctly. I know who you are, bubba.
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Nicholas J Page
It's been mankind's fault for generations and scientists have denied about climate change.Look at the countries that produces smog gasses sewerage leaking into rivers seas etc and we are nowhere near cutting out pollution etc Minister Nick Page UK
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Nicholas, it's often quite foggy in London. What can you say about that. Or, is that what you were referring to?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I'm just going to smoke another little cigar, and it shouldn't cause too much damage to the atmosphere. Otherwise, count me in. I'll do my part to clear the air.
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Lionheart
I’ll join you with a cigar, Carl, anytime. 🤗
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Susan Colmenares
For once I agree with him. Ignoring the state of our world is sinful, just like waging war against each other.
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Brien
Wow, how arrogant can people get? We assume we know so much, that somehow we control the universe around us. Here is the only truth you need to know. Nothing lives forever. Nothing. No environment. That means nothing. As a species, our mark on the timeline that we invented is finite. Species died out before us, species will outlive us, but no life will live forever. The sun that gives this planet life will also die. You can jump on the human global warming bandwagon if it makes you feel better. Just know that anything we do as a species to control the atmosphere will amount to a tiny pin prick in the grand scheme of things. Agree or disagree, doesn't matter. That is reality. Our species will be gone long before this planet ends. Don't treat your backyard like a dumpster and your view might stay nice for a bit longer. There is just not enough time to explain the science involved with this reality, but it is the basis for our understanding of life. If you're really curious, study the basics of time, the understanding of and our application of it. The first thing you will learn is... Nothing else cares about our measurement. Peace.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
If created on God's Image says we will be here forever in a new changed world, redeemed from human sin through Christ's death & Resurrection.
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Brien
Your blind beliefs in the myths, magic, and make believe have no bearing on reality. Science does not support it, nor does ANY evidence past or present. I stand by what I said. It does not matter what any of us think, nobody lives forever.
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ServantOfJudgement
Ahhh, how nice of our lord to give us science back in Genesis. That said, science did not support x-rays, or at least until it did. Science did not suppport microbes, until it did. Science did not support an expanding universe until it did. Naturally, the Bible declared these things before science was capable of even conceiving as much, it took thousands of years in many cases.
Conversly, science has supported millions of things until it didnt.....
Science must declare anything it has no way of ever quantifying as impossible. It must. Oh the ego of man, how he declares he's smart enough to even measure God.
"Nothing lives forever" implies you've encounteed and studied all living things in the cosmos. Ill never stop being amazed with man's baseless ego.
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Brien
Your mythical beliefs had NOTHING to do with science. Man, not make believe has nurtured science. You may believe what you want, but please stop insulting man's accomplishments.
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ServantOfJudgement
When you study science you are obeying one of God's first commandments to mankind, he even wrote it down for us. I guess he knew the science worshipers would need to know he gave them a tool, not a a thing to worship. You don't have to like it but when you do good science, God likes it. I don't think he liked it when science brought us the thermonuclear warhead or mustard gas but he did when we developed antibiotics and open heart surgery.
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Brien
First, I do not worship any make believe being. I also do not worship science. Make no mistake about this statement, I bend knee to NO ONE. I don't believe in insulting accomplishments by assigning them a label in order to brainwash and indoctrinate. You don't get to assign value like your the one that created the idea. Here is something for your mythical beliefs. If your magic being is so great, why does it allow so much suffering? I am sure you have a nicely rehearsed answer for that. Please display it here as it only ads to the ridiculousness of the pretend beliefs.
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ServantOfJudgement
Why does God allow suffering?
Consider this parallel condition: All states have have a murder rate yet its against the law. Murder still occurs even though it's against the law.
Why do states allow murder to happen? Well, states don't allow it. They punish those that commit murder, or at least they're supposed to.
God does not allow murder either. He punishes those who commit murder, just like we mortals do. So it is true with things that bring misery and suffering. He will square up with whom he will, when he will, how he will.
Any thoughts or statements against God centered on why he allows all these things WE don't like can be identically replicated with OUR own civilization. WE brutalize each other. We lie, cheat and steal from each other. We use our genius to mutilate children and strip mine for minerals. We throw aborted babies along with our junk into landfills. We enslave and oppress each other for money. The oceans are filled with garbage and nuclear waste. We delude ourselves to the point of total insanity and crush those that resist insanity.
All of the things people hate God for allowing WE commit, not God. You and I are the ones with a stain on our backs, not God.
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Brien
There is no parallel, man is real, religion in whatever form you chose is myth. Man's errors are real. Man's accomplishments are real. The only thing real about the myths is the brainwashed indoctrinations. I will not allow you to assign this as god's will. Never.
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Brien
Wait, I am sorry, you said the mythical being doesn't allow murder? By the very definition the mythical being IS a murderer. Also guilty of genocide.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Oh well. Don't cry for the flames to be smaller when you go to hell. They'll be flaming high. To bad mist in here can't realize that. I won't pray fostupidity. pidity.
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Brien
Your forever life interpretation means nothing to me. You are willing to assign all evil problems to a make believe deity. I own my mistakes. And if need be I apologize. Those of your beliefs will assign your mistakes on the make believe then absolve yourself of any responsibility. Typical. Blinders on, no responsibility. You are free to believe whatever you want, but do not apply it to me. Who made you judge? Not your mythical being.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Maybe not on earth but heaven we live forever. It's called creative reality.
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Brien
Another word for it is fiction. And most of the fiction involves a murderous, genocidal, vengeful "god" used to rule by fear. This is what is continuously gets shoved in everyone's face. These brainwashed beliefs are dimming every day. People are just sick of them.
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I disagree. I don't think that God expected for his representative in earth to decide what actions were sinful. Aren't they addressed in the Bible, Torah, etc? We're getting a little carried away.