Police in Dubai have arrested at least twelve women for posing nude on a high-rise balcony during the day, citing religious law that forbids public exposure.
The photos of the more than a dozen women were taken as a publicity stunt, and made the rounds on UAE social media this weekend, shocking many.
Now the women, who are not UAE citizens, face potential prison time and monetary fines.
The incident sparked international headlines, prompting debate over Sharia law and whether the punishment for breaking it was just.
Critics ask: why should religion govern what people do with their bodies? Is it fair to arrest someone for not following the edicts of a faith they don't belong to?
Thots and Prayers
Although it is one of the more socially liberal countries in the Middle East, much of the penal code in the United Arab Emirates is based on Sharia law, religious law derived from the Quran, with little exception given to visitors or tourists.
Within hours, Dubai police had arrested the women and their photographer on charges of public debauchery.
In the ultimate ‘photos taken seconds before disaster’, images and video taken from another building shows the nude women lined up on a high-rise balcony in Dubai’s upscale Marina neighborhood, photographed from the side by a male photographer.
Following the arrest of these women for this allegedly lewd act, the police issued a statement that said 'Such unacceptable behaviours... do not reflect the values and ethics of Emirati society.'
Say Dubai to Your Freedoms
Although it is one of the more socially liberal countries in the Middle East, much of the penal code in the United Arab Emirates is still based on religious law derived from the Quran, with little exception given to visitors or tourists.
Everything from public displays of affection to being homosexual can get you arrested in Dubai. Even rude comments made on social media are grounds for detention.
This is also not the first time foreigners have run afoul of the strict Sharia law of the UAE and paid the price for it. In 2019, a British woman, Laleh Shahravesh, was arrested at the Dubai airport for a years-old Facebook post where she called her ex-husband’s new wife a ‘horse.’
While she ultimately was released following a campaign from the group Detained in Dubai, which literally exists ‘to ensure the security of foreign nationals in the Gulf from unjust detention, wrongful prosecution, and all other violations of their human rights.’
Contending With Sharia Law
Sharia law is the code of Islam that many Muslim-majority nations use as their guiding legal principles. Sharia is believed by many Muslims to be divinely ordained and following it a requirement of the faith.
And while some Western-oriented hotels might look the other way, tourists are expected to abide by local law when in public, strict as it may seem.
With that in mind, it’s no surprise that women posing nude in broad daylight caused such an uproar in the conservative country.
This is likely not the end of this story. Eleven of the arrested women are Ukrainian, and the Ukrainian consulate is getting in touch with the UAE. The photographer, a Russian man, faces 18 months in prison. With international governments getting involved, the potential is there for this saga to get even messier.
What do you think? Does posing nude in public constitute a jailable offense? Should countries have the right to enforce religious laws on foreigners?
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Rev Dr N
Before one goes to another country, they should check the laws first and respect the laws of that country whether you agree with them or not. Most of us know what this country will or will not accept and so therefore, if they go there and disrespect the laws which they have, what do they expect?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
If you can't respect the laws of a country you're visiting, start a revolution!!!
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Lionheart
It's just a personal thing for me I guess, but I see extremely beautiful women. What does everyone else see?
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Rev Mark D
I see four gals on the way to nextdoor Saudi Arabia, where Prince BoneSaw will give them a good punishing as a goodwill gesture to his UAE neighbors...
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I see four gals on their way to the sultan's bed. And I hope they have a good time.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I agree with you emphatically, Lionheart. And I can't understand why anyone would stop beautiful young women from taking off their clothes. If it was up to me , the law throughout this world would require pretty women to never wear clothes. Such women don't even look nearly as good in clothes, as they do naked.
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Rex Rowe Lippold
Your a representative of God???
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
No Rex, I am not a representative of any god. I am a ULC minister.
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Lionheart
Which mythical god are you referring to here in your reply to Carl?
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Lafayette Perry
Their look have nothing to do with it, they broke the law
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Brien
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Paul J. Fumero
Any women going into a muslim run country is out of their mind. They teat dogs better than women there... and islam hates dogs.
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Helen Claire -Estelle Nance
REALLY.. CAN YOU GET ANY MORE STUPID!!!!!!!!!
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John P Maher
YOU MEAN THE GIRLS, FOR FLYING in THERE, CHECK the LAWs BEFORE YOU ENTER ANY COUNTRY !
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
That's right, John. If you know the laws it's easier to get around them, without getting caught.
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Rev Mark D
I don't see stupid...I see a whole lot of clever ways to pursue a goal, whether activist, political, or pecuniary/personal, all at once, for anyone wanting to take virtually ANY position or objective. Pretty darn smart actually, I'd say, unless somewhere in there they end up losing some limbs. They see themselves as, or have been sold a bill of goods that they will be, the next combination of Gloria Steinem and the Kardashians.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
This is just another example of American Christians attacking Muslims, the Muslim religion and Muslim laws. This is exactly why people are leaving the Christian faith. It's just full of hatred and white male domination and sex abuse. Who want's to be part of that?
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china mayhew
the law of the land is the law of the land no matter it's source. when you occupy that land you are subject to the law period. these idiots went into a muslim country whose system of law does not allow for this kind of display and can have some pretty steep penalties with regard to them. most western law is based on biblical laws and as previously posted these western countries have laws regarding public displays of nudity. i'm not a christian or jew but never the less i'm subject to those laws. frankly, they should have seen this coming.
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Rev Mark D
"these idiots...frankly, they should have seen this coming."
Idiots? Hardly. In fact, looking at them that way, now THAT's prejudice.
Not only did they see it coming...they were positively COUNTING on it.
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Rev Mark D
They will be leaving first class to join Prince BoneSaw in Saud tonight.
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Rev Mark D
I see it as strategic planning...the objective being that when this is over and their ransoms paid they will all have very westernized UAE billionaire fiancees and more in the offing, poster contracts, magazine, TV, film offers for a very long time to come.
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Rev Mark D
Unless he got a big big preliminary payoff, the one person who is likely to come out of this badly is the photographer...he's neither a beautiful model nor female. The women have other futures in store, because of another side of the sexually repressive nature of the society...my guess is that they will come out of it as they probably expected to, with large opportunities and prospects if they haven't already received some of them...as I alluded to in some other responses...precisely because of their looks and open-ness. But the guy there...now he could be in real trouble. He may soon wish he was as well off as Navalny.
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Keoni Ronald May
When you are in a foreign country, you must follow their laws, without disregarding their laws. Political arrogance and no respect for another country's laws, will only cause deep grief. Hopefully, they will not suffer too bad, in a Muslim prison.
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Lionheart
Yes, illegals immigrants are in fact illegal immigrants. Those from Mexico and other none life threatening countries should be immediately sent back. That then leaves legitimate people seeking genuine asylum room for their cases to be heard.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I bet beautiful women in a Muslim prison, which is probably guarded by men, can get anything they want.
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Rev Nolan
First, the word “shara’a” from which Sharia comes is highly misunderstood and very abused by “sectarian” Islam. What sectarian Islam calls Sharia is not sharia at all.
The root of the word means to set your beasts of burden free at an oasis to freely quench their thirst without use of a trough, ladle, or other instrument. In the spiritual sense as it applies to humans, true shari’a law allows us to be free without the instruments of organized religion, their laws and rules, and imposition of religious beliefs in order to allow the spirit to be quenched provided that the same liberty is applied to all. Sectarian Islam is forbidden in the Qur’ān to begin with, and furthermore, their interpretations, abuse, and strictness of Sharia Law is contrary to the whole of what true Islam represents in the Qur’ān and history of Muhammad.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Indeed Sharia law has nothing to actually do with the islamic faith. Its a cultural thing that predates the existence of the faith.
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Rev Nolan
Shari’a law has everything to do with TRUE Islamic faith; however, sectarian Islam incorporates into their ideas of Shari’a law many things that are by definition not shari’a related at all and which are dangerous cult culture.
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Christian
For future note : the photographer & models should check first to get permission for their locations. If they asked for permission, they probably would have instantly found out, " NO! you can not do nude photography at that location! Please pick another location for your art works. Our location does not permit your photographs."
One of the first rules professional photographers cover is to work out the details of on-site shoots. Permission, catering, rest rooms, trailers, dressing rooms. Every professional knows these things, and if they can't arrange all of the detail themselves, hire an agency or helper to ensure the work goes smoothly, as planned.
All part of the responsibilities of the job.
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Rich Calton
You are very correct!!! They should have done their homework about the site!
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Christian
Thank you ! Even wedding photographers ask for site permission / pre-authorization if using other people's property, horses, buildings, etc.
Professionalism. Always take care of your models and photo subjects, always get permissions in writing and pay any fees required.
Happy photos ! Happy business. :-)
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Ilmenheru Terikson
It is the duty of all who believe in freedom to never submit to unjust laws. To treat law as some master we must always submit to no matter the logic or reason for that law, is to make slaves of humanity before anything called a law. We in the U.S. once thought in a unified fashion that any nation trying to subject our citizens to such nonsense should fear the wrath of the U.S. war machine, and that was the last time that machine was used for anything resembling justified reason.
The archaic cultures of the world need to be forced to join the modern global civilization or be wiped from this Earth for the sake of all who wish to live freely and in peace.
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Daniel Gray
their laws. just like over by india you can be fined for spiting on the sidewalk or not flushing a public crapper or eating cow in India. Their laws, you deal with it
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Minister Mike
Maybe not use eating beef in India as an example. Some Indian states have outlawed cattle slaughter, but it is perfectly legal to eat beef in most Indian states.
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Daniel Gray
correct yourself according to the census in India 966.3 million people Hinduism is the largest religion of India. According to the 2011 National Census of India, 966.3 million people identify as Hindu, representing 79.8 per cent of the country's population. Now since Cows are considered sacred to Hindus, Wthe reason they dont eat cows or beef in india is that don't they eat cows in India An actual 'sacred cow' or 'sacred bull' is a real animal that is treated with sincere respect in specific religions and their celebrations. They cannot eat the meat of cows because they are sacred. and in some of the "states"in India you will receive a life term in prison for killing a cow
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Minister Mike
I shall not correct me or anybody else for stating facts. It IS perfectly legal to eat beef in most Indian states. Not all, but most.
Of course, since you called me a liar, it is now incumbent upon you to prove that79.8% of Indian states have outlawed the eating of beef. You must name the states and provide a link to the specific law prohibiting said consumption in each named state.
If you fail to do that, YOU are the liar. And no, it's not on me to prove or disprove your wild claims. You said it, YOU prove it.
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Ruth Veale
What you do in your country to a certain extent is your business, BUT, when you go to another country you must adhere to their rules, no matter right or wrong they are.
Also, why would you want to pose either nude or semi nude in another country let alone a strict Arabic/Muslim country, what an insult.
As the old saying goes "When in Rome do as the Romans do"
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Minister Mike
Why? For the money, the notoriety, ego boost, and probably half a dozen other reasons I can't think of.
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Patricia Ann Wileman
That’s the problem that people from other countries think they can go to other countries and do as they please. There are laws and consequences in other countries. Doesn’t matter if I agree or disagree there are laws and you need to obey the laws of the country.
As a minister I think the ladies were a little bit stupid at doing this. It’s like they don’t respect their own bodies so they share with the world. But this is a law in that country not what you can get away with in the United States or other countries. There are laws and consequences.
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Rex Rowe Lippold
I was wondering when someone was going to mention the Moral aspect of the story and not the law, as "Ministers" we are suppose to represent our Heavenly Father. it's as simple as that.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
You seem very cofused. I am a ULC minister and have no heavenly father to represent and frankly consider you trying to force your faith upon me an act of evil worthy of your destruction. Perhaps you should actually understand your faith is an entirely personal thing and should have no meaning to anyone beyond yourself.
You clearly are one who prefers authoritarism. Big fan of hitler and stalin I am guessing. No one who believes in liberty for all would side with unjust and evil laws such as these women are being persecuted by.
Luckily they are israeli citizens and no god or devil is a match for the Mossad.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
You sound like a Christian minister, Rex. That's not what ULC, or this blog is about.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Criminals from any countries will be criminals wherever they go. The most important thing for them to do is to make sure they don't get caught. And pretty naked women can do a lot more than the rest of us to get out of trouble, if they are willing. If not, they can stay in jail. However, most undoubtedly do have options. And you won't catch me feeling sorry for them.
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Minister Mike
Hmmm. Where in the US (or UK, EU, Ukraine, or any other christian country/organization) would this be legal? With the exception of a few designated beaches and private resorts, public nudity in the US is just as illegal as it is in Dubai or any other predominantly Muslim country.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Minister Mike how WRONG you are. "Where in the US (or UK, EU, Ukraine, or any other christian country/organization) would this be legal? With the exception of a few designated beaches and private resorts, public nudity in the US is just as illegal as it is in Dubai or any other predominantly Muslim country."
Seattle actually allows for people to be nude anywhere anytime. Oregon nude spas and clubs you can go to legally. Austin, TX there are no laws specifically forbidding public nudity. Florida It's actually completely legal to go out in the nude.
Ever here of the American Association for Nude Recreation? It's been around since 1931.
Nudity in Germany in public parks is acceptable.Minister Mike if your followers are to believe what you have to say, tell them the truth. This is why so many young people are no longer Christians, they feel they are being lied to.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
When I worked at some Galveston, Texas beach parks in the early '80s some police officers told me it was legal for women to be topless on the beach, and legal for people to be naked as long as it didn't offend anyone. Once, while working on the beach, a man told me that two men were running around naked showing off to his wife and children. In r3sponse to that I said "If your wife and kids didn't like it why were they looking at them?" He turned red as a beer, and drove away. If I would have seen them streaking I would have laughed at them.
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Kenneth John Bickley
Please advise where in Florida. Can't wait to see all those 65+ nude people!
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Minister Mike
I stand corrected - there are some places in the white world where it's ok to ditty bop in the nude. But, most jurisdictions forbid it.
As YOU noted, it's only legal in parks in Germany, but better stay out of the bars and clubs without clothes. Oregon's nude spa members know better than to traipse past the gates sans speedos. Seattle - yes - rest of Oregon - no.
So, I'm not as wrong as your hissy fit would indicate, dude. Most places in the white christian world frown on public nudity so much you can be thrown in the hoosegow if observed in that state.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
White christian world..... well if anyone here needed more proof about the kind of thoughts that circle around in your skull we now know for damn sure.
Hint hint White Christian Nationalist=NAZI!
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Minister Mike
Since you brought it up, yes, I think you're a nazi; maybe not as bright as most of your brethren, but yeah, a nazi. But that was not what I said, implied, or meant.
With few exceptions, public nudity in white christian countries - North and South America, UK, EU and others, is not permitted.
Really tired of these blaring headlines bashing countries where Islam is the predominant religion for the same things the white christian countries do or don't do.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
As far as I can tell there is no such thing as white Christian countries. Although such people live in many countries, so do many others. And the USA never was a Christian country, although a lot of ignorant christians seem to think so. Fortunately, Christianity is on its way out.
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Minister Mike
I'd love to see your dictionary - the comedy in it must be stupendous.
Any country in which white christians of any/all denominations, make up the majority, or in which a christian denomination is the state religion, is a white christian country. Consume that, carl, digest it, then give yourself a hearty head slap.
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Rev. Laurie G. Cleveland RN
Ok. I will start with the advice that my father gave me, which is, "when you are in a foreign country, you follow the rules." This means that since Saudi is a country that flows Syria law. There is a move movement in tbis country that people that follow Sharia, which is against our laws. Islam has two different types, a moderate type which most follow, but Shariah, as it so happens, is akin to the type of Christianity that would have every person that doesn't accept Jesus as savior and then go out and proselytize it, which as far as I am concerned can be put in the circular file. Before I have 10 people on my tail, let me explain my viewpoint. I believe that there are different religions made by God to show his different faces that people can understand. I also believe that there is more than one way to go to heaven. Having said all of that, Sharia law is like a cochroach infestation. It demean women and if a woman is accused of infedility, 4 men have to testify to the contrary, which rarely happen. They as re condemned to death by stoning which is a horrendous form of torture and death. A man can divorce her and take all of her children with him. There's no doubt that women have few avenues open to them. Even their schools are separated and while the boys get regilar educations, girls do not and their education is much longer and deals with home ec stuff and little or no real learning. Then we get that women must be dressed in burka and it is impossible to tell one from another. Just recently in Saudi, women can drive. As far as I am concerned,Sharia puts a Paul over everyone who follows Islam
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
There sure are a lot of people on this blog who want everyone to think they are always totally law abiding goodie two shoes. I'm glad I'm not one of them, and don't buy into their bull****. Many laws are totally unjustifiable, and immoral, such as this one in Dubai. The only thing those beautiful young ladies did was get caught. We must always cover all bases, people! Pay attention, and learn from the mistakes of others, so it won't happen to you, when you're running around naked. I've even been to almost legal nude beaches, right here in the U.S.A., and guess what I was wearing!
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Then again Christian, what they don't know won't hurt them. Just don't get caught, and give it up, if you're pretty and get caught, in exchange for clemency, since naked people have nothing else to wager with.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I've got to get back to putting together my new burgundy leather, button tufted executive desk chair, before my new desk gets here. I've got a lot of other equally nice new stuff to put together, too. It's my patriotic duty to stimulate the economy, with my much deserved stimulus money. And trust me, it went from $1400 to $43 dollars, as quickly as I could press that submit payment button, on my Amazon app. How many of the rest of y'all are willing to be that blatantly honest. I bet most of y'all would be quicker to take off your clothes, in the streets of Dubai.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Who knows how professional he was? It doesn't take a pro to press the click button on a Polaroid One Step. And they still sell those new on Amazon. Height have only had professional jobs taking pictures for low budget porn flicks, in Los Angeles.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I sure would like to have a photograph of those young ladies naked in Dubai, for spiritual reasons, ofcourse. So I can visualize them while praying for them, it would help if I had such a picture to study, in detail. Please let me know how I can obtain one.
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arawngraalrd
Prohibitions of Public Nudity are not exclusive to the Muslim. I recall there' a hotel, next to >Yankee Stadium, where guests don't always realize how visible they are.
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Minister Mike
Slow day, huh?
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
As ridiculous as I feel these laws are, these women were foolish in breaking laws in a foreign nation.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
You're right, Matthew. They should learn to perfect law breaking in their home country before going abroad. And they must learn to cover all bases.
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Rex Rowe Lippold
Dubai and many other countries have strict Laws, that's why so many come to the USA to escape those law. The twelve young women that decided to bare themselves in Dubai, took that chance to press their luck and are now looking to answer for it. It breaks my heart to see these beautiful Daughters of God abandon their Modesty for the picture and whatever else was taking place there. Satan is working overtime and making these things look to be OK because they happen all the time, like my family, if they say it three times, it has to be true. NOT. just because it is happening a lot doesn't make it OK, It's not OK, will never be OK. We need to Love them and forgive them as our Father in Heaven would do. We need to hold to the rod and stay the narrow path to our Heavenly Father, don't let it happen to your little girl or boy. by being a good example for them it can be prevented. Love them.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Like are you mentally ill or just ignorant? The ULC is a nondenom ministery and speaking as if the christian faith is the only faith makes you look an aweful lot like one of those vile insular islamic terrorists who try to push insular thinking upon the world. A citizen of the U.S. and a minister in good standing with the ULC does not ever speak in other than a secular manner about their or anothers faith.
Also I totlaly killed your god a few centuries ago inbetween lives. Sorry but you worship a fantasy that is long gone.
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Gerardo Salazar
Your answer is extremely rude and uncalled for because I’m certain that among our Sisters and Brothers there are Buddhists, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Wicans, etc, all deserving our respect and love, and if anyone wishes to mention their beliefs they should be welcomed because as a Minister your mind must be open to learning other philosophies and cultures unless your desire is to stay an ignoramus bully.
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William Le Roy Smith
I stand with Dubai, when you go to another country it is your responsibility to follow their laws. Having a group of whores standing naked on a balcony is wrong. They should stand trial, pay the fines and serve whatever time the courts decide.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
That only applies to law abiding citizens, William.
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Keith Warren Kunz
posing nude for pics in pubilc view is pornography and an arestable offense. but instead of jail just boot them out if they don't live there.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I hope somebody will let me know if they start selling copies of those nude pictures, or make a porn flick about it, so I can show it at my church, at our naked free love celebrations.
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Brien
My post was removed, I am asking for an explanation from the moderator as to why. I will try to repeat it..... It is unfortunate that these women chose to go to a country and break their laws. No matter what the reason, no matter what the excuse, they chose to break the law. It is NOT our place to dictate law to other countries, no matter how offensive and backwards they may be. It is up to the people of that country to change their own laws, IF they want them changed at all. That part of the world has been running on religious laws for a very long time. It is up to the people to make them change. These women knew exactly what they were doing, and whether they did it for money or to make a statement or both, they chose to do it. They must now face the legal punishments that go along with that decision. It is up to the people to rise up and change this, but somehow I doubt very much that they will. Peace
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Ilmenheru Terikson
You seem to be a big fan of authoritarianism. This may shock you but the core tennants of the ULC are in direct opposition of any and all unjust laws that needlessly restrict a persons autonomy. In other words a ULC minister in good standing only has one side to take in this, and that is the side of these women who did nothing to cause harm to another person in any way shape or form.
To submit to unjust laws is the act of a coward not the act of a minister who seeks to spread enlightenment and encourage others to walk a path of peace and with empathy for all.
You really seem to think countries should just be allowed to mistreat their people and that the rest of the world should stand by and turn a blind eye to crimes against humanity.
Lucky for these ladies they are israeli, and no muslim country is going to be happy whena Mossad team decides to remind these johnny come latelies who the chosen people of their god are.
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Brien
I must disagree with you on the tenants of the ulc the ulc is open to all voices I'm opposed to anybody telling any country what it should and should not do I think the peoples of their own countries need to handle their own affairs. I'm sorry that we disagree but it's okay to disagree that is one of the tenants of the LLC thank you and have a nice day
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
It's just another brick in the wall, and we must keep chipping away at it.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
This blog has nothing to do with promoting unjustifiable laws. Although some of our fellow ministers may seem to seem like goodie two shoes who always obey all laws, I'm damn sure not one of them, and this blog does not exist to promote such foolish endeavors.
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Richard Lee Cornell
My relative spent years in the Kingdom building projects for the King. They had a compound where only those Infidels could live, eat and drink and to evil things that all other in the Kingdom would be beheaded if they got caught. The Saudi Kingdom is a place where they still chop off heads on Saturday. Whip those who disobey the religious law. Put women below camels, horses, and dogs as a status. One guy who was drunk wander off of the compound right into the arms of the police. He spent 3 months in a jail cell. It was Hell or more than Hell. Hell. The cell had imported rats, bed bugs, fleas, and the stench of rot. Strange things in the food. The drinking water was just below the layer of green. His cell was made of metal and it was a oven in the day and at night cold enough where water froze. He had it good. Those Saudi citizens had it worst.
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Eric D Peck
Can you imagine if there were 12 naked men? The tone of this conversation would be entirely different.
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Rev. Paige
You're not kidding. If those would have been men, the comments here would be totally different.
And while we're at it- to some of the other posters here-(not the one whom I replied to) Apparently, only I possess the superpower of being able to stop reading these posts if they offend me. Maybe certain people posting on here should double check your ULC creed. We accept all spiritual views even if we don't agree with them. By posting on here and insulting someone who has a Christian belief or a Muslim belief, it makes you just as "bad" as you think the people that you are insulting are. It just shows the ignorance of the uneducated people in this world. Luckily for you, you can get educated and then you won't sound so stupid when you post on a public forum.
You don't even know what it means to be a ULC ordained minister if you are putting down others who don't agree with you. Your narrow-minded views are disgusting. And they have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Even if a country has laws that are based in their religion, and you don't agree with that religion, it doesn't matter. A law is a law is a law. And breaking the law has consequences. It doesn't matter where their laws came from, or what viewpoint they have in a religious way, you still cannot break the law without having some consequence to it. This is the same here in the US, and it's the same in every other country in this world.
If you don't like it, either don't break the law, or don't go to those countries.
It is just amazing to me how many people are so narrow-minded and narcissistic, that you actually think that you have the right to put down other people for what they believe in. You are a hypocrite. You are doing to them exactly what you don't want them to do to you. And you are doing to them exactly what the ULC does NOT stand for. And hypocrite is the nicest word out there that I can use. You are many more things, but I won't bother to write them down. Anyone who reads your posts or meets you knows what you are.
Being a ULC ordained minister is supposed to mean that you are accepting of everybody and every belief, even if you don't like it.
Seems to me like some of you ought to be playing around with some rattlesnakes. Because some of you are starting to remind me of a certain Mr. Jones. And I guess you guys want to keep up with the Jones'.
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Richard Albert Heyse
These poor women have caused no harm. All they wanted wanted to do was show their beauty to bring happiness to others. They have thrown away their inhibitions and released their own shackles. Respect and love to them.
Sometimes oppressive religions seek to restrict happiness. Here is a classic case of such oppression. That is a fact. They are faiths of fear and shackles.
When some faiths cause cruelty to animals, when some discriminate on grounds of sexuality, when some restrict a true nature of sharing love and happiness how can they be for the common good?
Beauty in all its forms must be shared to bring love and happiness and we should live without shackles and fear
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Lafayette Perry
When you visit a foreign country you need to know their laws and obey them.
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Rev. Paige
You're not kidding. If those would have been naked men in the picture, the comments here would be totally different.
And while we're at it---to some of the other posers, oops!, I meant Posters---- Apparently, only I possess the superpower of being able to stop reading these posts if they offend me. Maybe certain people posting on here should double check your ULC creed. We accept all spiritual views even if we don't agree with them. By posting on here and insulting someone who has a Christian belief or a Muslim belief, it makes you just as "bad" as you think the people that you are insulting are. It just shows the ignorance of the uneducated people in this world. Luckily for you, you can get educated and then you won't sound so stupid when you post on a public forum.
You don't even know what it means to be a ULC ordained minister if you are putting down others who don't agree with you. Your narrow-minded views are disgusting. And they have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Even if a country has laws that are based in their religion, and you don't agree with that religion, it doesn't matter. A law is a law is a law. And breaking the law has consequences. It doesn't matter where their laws came from, or what viewpoint they have in a religious way, you still cannot break the law without having some consequence to it. This is the same here in the US, and it's the same in every other country in this world.
And btw, I'm in Florida and I promise you that if someone is walking around naked in public, they will be arrested and probably be made a sex offender for the rest of their life. Who the hell is so dumb that you would actually tell people it's legal to be nude anywhere in public in Florida. Check your facts first, and then you won't be so embarrassed when your ignorance is exposed before your peers.
If you don't like this, either don't break the law, or don't go to those countries.
It is just amazing to me how many people are so narrow-minded and narcissistic, that you actually think that you have the right to put down other people for what they believe in. You are a hypocrite. You are doing to them exactly what you don't want them to do to you. And you are doing to them exactly what the ULC does NOT stand for. And hypocrite is the nicest word out there that I can use. You are many more things, but I won't bother to write them down. Anyone who reads your posts or meets you knows what you are.
Being a ULC ordained minister is supposed to mean that you are accepting of everybody and every belief, even if you don't agree with it.
Seems to me like some of you ought to be playing around with some rattlesnakes. Because some of you are starting to remind me of a certain Mr. Jones. And I guess you guys want to keep up with the Jones'.
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Timothy Oladiran Bolaji
Good idea but they are high ranking hypocrites. They do all those things that they accuse people of doing. However, westerners should not import their "freedom " to the area.
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Troy Edward Roberts
If you visit another country or territory you should follow their laws. That's plain and simple. If you break the law there are consequences. Posing nude in public could get you on a sex offender registration in the United States.
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Lionheart
Posing nude in public could get you on a sex offender registration in the United States.
Yes if you are male, no if you are an extremely attractive female. I've not quite figured out yet why that's the case 🤷🏻♂️
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Only the write-up on this article refers to "religious" laws. This is strictly a criminal matter (in Dubai), and should be discussed as such. Each countries laws should be binding on anyone, citizen or not.
I think the law is stupid, and I think the entirety of Sharia law is just religious nonsense for the most part, designed to subjugate women. That said, if you go to a country with Sharia law, and break that law, expect to be punished. You knew you were not in your home country. So obey the laws of that country. Clayton, you are correct.
Yes, the Law is the Law...even when it is based on religion. That is the sin. No Law should be based on or derived from any religion. Otherwise some folks may be required to play with snakes!
I noticed that too...it's a strictly legal, criminal matter there, even if religion and law are conjoined in that country. The law is pretty clear there, and anyone in country who does not have diplomatic immunity is subject to it.
And as far as the specific women, since the laws there are really so well known, they would certainly be aware of the law before doing the stunt...which tells me they planned this with their agents, including knowing or even planning on the arrest and whatever else...and maybe even with the government and others partnership for commercial or social activism purposes...if not also to further personal pecuniary and other ambitions. And that in turn tells me these could be some remarkably liberated women...one way or another taking advantage and highlighting just about any related issue and from many sides of the coin and purpose. So for everyone involved it looks like "Mission Accomplished," whatever many different missions and angles that will fit.
Or Clayton, as long as you cover all bases, and don't get caught...as long as you stay within your morals, so you won't develop a guilty conscience, which will get you drunk quicker than anything else. We must stay true to ourselves, which does not necessarily mean obeying silly laws, when in other countries.
In a Visionary Religious newsletter why share the sins of crime. We can pray for them but we don’t have to see it.
Concerned about wether this is really about faith?
Sin is a Christian word Catherine, and ULC is not a Christian sect, so this is not a Christian minister. I suggest you get your facts straight, before you put your foot in your mouth again.
Whatever this is Catherine, it is definitely not a visionary religious newsletter. Furthermore, this has nothing to do with any particular faith. Also, there's no such thing as the sin of crime, nor is the word sin acknowledged by this ministry, but is only a word created by Christianity, which this has nothing to do with, except for those ULC Ministers who are christians.
.... unless you can break them without getting caught, Clayton.