Is marijuana use against God's will? Christian leadership seems to agree it is; a new study from Lifeway Research shows that a large majority of Christian pastors are not on board with Mary Jane.
The study of 1,007 Protestant pastors, conducted late last year from a random sampling of senior church officials across the United States, shows that a whopping 78% of pastors believe that smoking marijuana is “morally wrong,” and that only 18% believe it should be legalized for recreational and medicinal use.
Well, so much for blazing up in church.
Meanwhile, marijuana legalization has been increasingly embraced by the public. It's fully legal for any purpose in 16 states and is legalized for medicinal purposes or decriminalized in dozens more.
With national acceptance of legalized marijuana seeming inevitable, is it time for pastors to get with the times and bless the use of ganja?
Is Marijuana Sinful?
It’s worth examining why so many Christian leaders reject marijuana legalization, even as public opinion shifts around them.
Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, says he opposes legalization because “most of the young evangelicals I know seek to minister to friends who have been harmed by marijuana culture.”
Evangelist Franklin Graham called legalization efforts damaging to children and argued that "marijuana has been proven to be addictive, has many side effects, and can be harmful."
Graham has also shot back at arguments about marijuana being okay to consume because God made it by comparing smoking weed to a rattlesnake. God also made rattlesnakes, he says, but he doesn’t plan to pick up one of those any time soon.
It’s clear that Christian leaders view marijuana as sinful and immoral, with a healthy dose of “won’t somebody please think of the children” energy on top.
But might there actually be a biblical basis for cannabis consumption?
John 4:20
Some religious scholars believe that Jesus may have been the first stoner, and a big proponent of the cannabis leaf’s medicinal properties before, well, pretty much anyone.
The Bible makes reference to “kaneh-bosm”, an ingredient in the holy anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples in their miracle healings, particularly the healings of the skin and eyes.
Scholars have long debated what kaneh-bosm is in reference to. Many speculate it is in reference to calamus, a flowering plant whose root was believed to cure digestive issues.
But translated from the ancient hebrew it was written in, “kaneh-bosm” translates to english as “aromatic hemp”... hmm, sound like any plants you know?
Ain't No Mountain High Enough
Cannabis is, after all, indigenous to the Middle East and was widely used in medicine and clothing for centuries. Scientists even recently determined that a mysterious burnt substance on an ancient Jewish religious site was cannabis.
Is it not conceivable that the kaneh-bosm of the Bible is cannabis?
Chris Bennett, author of Sex, Drugs, and Violence in the Bible, certainly thinks so. “If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil, and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," he says.
Fast forward to modern times, and one thing seems certain: cannabis is only getting more popular. Some worry that opposing legalization will drive young people further away from the church... or perhaps into the arms of a more free-thinking type of congregation.
What do you think? Should Christian leaders embrace marijuana legalization, or stick to their anti-weed guns?
185 comments
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David Arthur Lewis
I saw this biblical archaeology article in the Smithsonian today. Scientists have found physical evidence proving that ancient Jews and Israelites burned cannabis in their temple. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/cannabis-found-altar-ancient-israeli-shrine-180975016/ They found the actual marijuana resin in a hollow incense burner carved into the altar, along with another burner with frankincense residue. I think those ancient mystics were on to something. They knew both were good, and even better together, but also knew to never burn them in the same bowl. We'll never know of course, but it seems likely that this incense was also used at THE Temple in Jerusalem. The time frame fits.
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P. Keith Benefiel
This stream is more fun than I have had in some time. So many points! Paul was hung up on following the law. Paul was not Christ. Jesus is Christ and all in the world he asks us to do is be nice. Cheers, Ockhamite Brother Keith
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Rev. Jack Harte, DD, MscD
Personally, I think marijuana is a great alternative to many pain relievers, and alcohol. I have used marijuana for many years and I have had excellent experiences while using it, some of those experiences, spiritual. Many see marijuana use as wrong for many reasons - see it as a crutch, illegal in many states, still, a reducer of inhibitions, leaving users open to temptation, and so forth. If those are their beliefs, let them have their beliefs. We live in a country where we can still have our own opinions. No one would criticize a Jew for not eating ham, or for wearing payot. No one would deny a religious Muslim the right and desire to pray several times a day, or a Buddhist to chant. For those pastors who see marijuana as morally wrong, let them. who are we to deny them their opinions?
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Dietrich Christian Nicholson
Minister Dietrich
New Study: 78 Percent of Pastors Say Using Marijuana is Morally Wrong
I read this and repeating what Franklin Graham says means nothing to me. My opinion of Franklin Graham and his dad is not worth mentioning here. What Franklin Graham believes is troubling at the most.
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Philip
75% of pastor’s should get over themselves and realize it’s a plant.
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Philip
75% of pastor’s should get over themselves and realize it’s a plant.
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Martin L Stigleman
I see a lot of comment that say "Your religious belief is wrong, because mine says different,", but that is really not a reason to argue. First, is marijuana use bad? In some ways, yes...it isn't a drug that alters your ability to function unless you abuse it, so it is no worse than alcohol, or even a greasy hamburger. Overdo it, and it is a problem, but if you are responsible, then there is no problem. Second, is it's use immoral? Again, in some cases, it is not....if your religion says it is, then you need to stay away from it, or change your religion to one that isn't concerned with controlling your life so much as bringing you closer to your god. Third, if your religion feels the need to force others to follow your teachings, then your religion has no validity in the first place. Religion should be a guide to bring people closer to the spirit within them, not to brainwash others into your beliefs...that is what a cult does to gain and maintain power. Just my 2 cents...
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Ronald Joseph Dent
To smoke marijuana should be regarded as a individual choice and the use or misuse is an individual consequence. Cannabis has many healthy positives. When Cannabis was identified by pharmacology and paper industries as a threat to the respective business then the anti-cannabis lobby engaged the US Politicians and the legal ban began. I am for the use of Cannabis derived products that help to relieve the suffering of mankind.
1 Timothy 6:10 to be: For the love of money is the root of all of evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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Christian
Using any form of technology is also morally wrong - graven images in digital silicon...
REPENT ! :-)
Just Say No to Drugs, and mythology, both !
And say YES to Life and Love ! :-)
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David Arthur Lewis
I've heard that Christian pastors also condemn pedophilia while practicing it in secret.
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Peggy L Ake
Personally, the churches should go with the times. God created all the plants and herbs. Jesus turned water into wine. Ministers need to keep some of their opinions to themselves.
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Lionheart
Just curious, does anyone know what varietal the wine was. Would it have been a bold Cab, or a fruity Merlot? I doubt it was an aged wine. Just asking for a friend!
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William Monroe Jenkins
I guess I'm part of the 22%. Jesus didn't tell me to judge anyone. He told me to love everyone. Stop letting religious leaders tell you how to think. Some of y'all need to blaze so you can relax and stop being so judgemental.
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Roberto A Rodriguez
I have had a relationship with cannabis for over 40 years, keep it mainly to myself. No need to brag about it nor condemn anyone for it. I do not believe it is sinful. I don't talk about it much, but if asked I will truthfully state my belief in it and my point of view. I feel it should be decriminalized. There are those who have looked at me with disgust and walked away, but I still do not judge how they see me as a sinner nor do I question the blue, green, pink, yellow, velvet and red pills they take daily to control their behavior. All a matter of choices, but I will stick to the natural good herb, that grows freely from the ground and bears seeds, a little Genesis 2:29.
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Roberto A Rodriguez
I have been enlightened by cannabis for over 40 years. I don't brag about it nor inform others of my way of life with it. If it is brought up & I am asked about it, I tell the truth of how I feel about it and that is that. Some have looked at me with disgust and walk away of say something negative. Yet, I do not say anything about that pink, yellow, blue, green or velvet pills they take daily to control their moods. Just my thought on this issue.
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Ronda Jo Bohn
I can't believe I'm doing this, I've only read/ glossed over a couple comments.I can not continue reading as much as I'd like due to the anxiety created. I have only a few points to get off my chest.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT-
I personally believe that MJ is as under estimated or utilized as the dandelion, especially as our 'society' has become more 'civilized'? I am in remission for Graves disease, (and other modalities) and visit a Doctor for testing more than his 'determination' alone. My treatment, (live changes), have come with my own research and willing to ask questions and practice changes (mistakes help you remember).
I feel that our 'society' has become this 'Zero Tolerance' policy which seems to be in direct conflict with God's free choice? And I think that HUMAN's have infringed on NATURAL CONSEQUENCES for much of life.
NATURAL,(living in peace and community with/balance), seems to me has alluded us as a divers society. We seem to do better in our own small town and family bubbles due to a multitude of factors in all of our daily lives. Sleep deprived, anxieties, FEAR, anger, absence of human connection with nature, lack of decency, common respect, manners! Light-heartedness has been drained from lives, the ZEST for life replaced with dis pare, disrepair and drudgery. These things have happened throughout our live times, all over the world. Slowly, quietly, and not so quietly....definitely painfully we enter into again trying to find a balance we have never achieved (may never), doomed to again not understand how we (all humans), are sucking the life out of Mother Earth and life itself. We need to learn to live and let live about much of life (there are a few exceptions), and begin to meld our unique talents, cultures, and differences into the amazing mosaic we, I think, are to become to be.
Thanks for your time RB
I will state only that I have worked in health care and death and dieing, (including the right to die with dignity), in my career. Assume as you will anything else.
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Jonathon Robert Martin
If your personal connection with the Lord says go-ahead, do that, until you realize why He said to go-ahead, and be prepared for that reason to be not to go-ahead any longer. He works in paradoxes until these too are no longer required. And we realize that the only way there is no wrong or right, is when we have fully embodied what is wrong, to become right again and right becomes the only inevitable option. When the Power returns so vastly that needing any form of physical medicine becomes irrelevant, may we all realize what Jesus Christ was walking, as a True alchemist, in Faith. I have smoked for a good portion of my Spiritual wanderings, and it lead me to where I am now, smoke-free, it was not a mistake. It also lead me through incredible darkness. You can't be lead in wrong directions, in Christ. Love to all on all parts of the path Home to God. ~ Jonathan
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Maybe it's you who doesn't understand what this blog is about, Alan, or that we are all children of the same universe.
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Stanley Edwards
Minister Stan Edwards: seems to me that what should be on the minds of all who have comment on the subject, is are you right with the God if any, that you believe in and when it's time for your appointment to leave this planet are you prepared. The seventh trump is going to sound ready or not. Weed has been here before mankind, man did not create it he just discover another avenue by which a medicinal use could be had. Smoke responsibly and let the spirit of darkness find something else for you to fill guilty about. All be blessed! Amen
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Stanley Edwards
As I see it, all of the comments on the subject have nothing to do with the overall stated topic. The true living God of Man gave each and everyone of us the will to choose. Let the ego's state as they will. The choice is yours and will always be. If the indulgence of a weed is your choice, then let it be so and leave the judgement to the Almighty God of this universe.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Don't expect to get any answers around here, to your stupid questions, Neubert!
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Darrell Waits-Shead
All these judgemental Christians(and I use that term lightly) would be better servants if they turned thier ire on truly anti moral issues like gun violence! Crickets in the pulpit on that one. While we are at it lets call out the overwhelming greed associated with most every aspect of American life. Jesus would probably slap most "Christian's" faces these days!
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Alan Joseph N E U B E R T
Why are so many Agnostics and Athiests enthralled with this site? What are you trying to accomplish?
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David Arthur Lewis
"Enthralled"??? What are YOU trying to accomplish?
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Constante J Zawacki
enlightenment?
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David Arthur Lewis
Oh well, this site exists mainly for entertainment and conversation. Try the deep woods for enlightenment.
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Donald Michael Woodward
Every person should know what their God expects of them. Only the individual who knows their God will know what is right or wrong for them.
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William Monroe Jenkins
If everyone thought like you the world would be a better place. Live and let live.
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Donald Michael Woodward
It is insanity for religions to pretend they know the mind of God. Even identifying right and wrong, good and evil, is practically impossible for any man. What anyone chooses to put in their body is their own choice as well as the God they have. No man alive can stop what is Gods choice and not theirs.
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Craftee12
The reason for people in general interferes is to save your souls before it's to late.
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Debbra Morris
Genesis 2 29 And God said , behold I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth and every tree which is the friut of the tree yielding seed to you it shall be your meat .
I'm sure God did not intend for us to smoke it ! But he did give it to us to consume undeniably.
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JR Delphi
I suppose it really comes down to one’s theology and/or spiritual philosophy: I mean if you feel guilty about being buzzed on anything while you’re practising your religious rituals then you probably shouldn’t do them, but if you feel like you’re accomplishing your spiritual goals while you’re still impaired then it seems to me to be more of a matter of personal choice. Personally I like to practice my spirituality with a clear head and save the partying for later, but that’s just me. Personally I don’t believe my higher power cares if I’m stoned or not, but on the other hand I could see why some people might consider getting high a “sin” since cannabis is a drug (although it doesn’t impair functionality as much as liquor) and chronic drug abuse isn’t emotionally or physically healthy.
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Sam B. VanderPal
We all need to think about what we do and not so much of what others or doing. I think that we should love each other and try to help people with being good to each other. We spend a lot of time on what people are doing and not what people should be doing. Take time to learn about each other and them see why they are doing in life what we think is good or bad.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
And love should be free, Sam. So let's all practice free love. And,"If you can't have the one you want, Honey, love the one you're with. Love the one you're with. Love the one you're with".
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Don't should on yourself, Sam.
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Michele E Doonan
I live in constant pain from a broken back and have had two surgeries. No relief. I am hoping to get a prescription for medical marajuana in the hopes that it will provide some relief and I can stop taking opioids. I am not a druggie, a stoner, or any kind of pill 💊 popper. I just need help living with the pain
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Go for the gusto, Michelle, and consider that a little THC might help you feel better, too.
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David Arthur Lewis
If you can't get a medical card, try CBD. It works very well for pain relief.
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Greg Formoe
Cannabis was created by God to be used as a medicine. It can heal digestive problems, help with menstrual cramps, relieves glaucoma symptoms, stops epileptic seizures in kids, and on and on, it is still being examined. Cannabis was given a bad name by racists looking to disparage Mexicans and blacks, it has been used by religious people since at least the old testament times, they found remnants. In my own experience consuming a little cannabis out in nature can bring on a spiritual experience. Ignore the hype, the DARE people, the cops, the police have used it as a convenient excuse for decades, things smelled and never found, yet many searches conducted anyway.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I agree with you completely, Greg, and would like to add a couple of things. Smoking a little weed is a great stress reducer. I also have a good friend who claims to smoke it to treat his ADD. I've also been well acuainted with several police officers who smoke weed, and even some judges, and high ranking politicians. However, I'll never say who. "Mum's the word". "What's the word Gilligan?" "Mum's the word, Skipper. Mum's the word".
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Bobby G Brown
God put that plant on earth for a reason. People are not smart enough to figure out what that reason is. That is why it has been exploited the way it has. If pharmaceutical company's would put as much money into researching the uses as they have for a drug to give a man an erection, they figure out why God put that plant here in the first place
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Tammy Lynn Tittle-Engram
Genesis chapter 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
Minister Tammy
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Wayne H Love
People make the world go around.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
However Wayne, don't forget about gravity. What goes up, must come down. Spinning wheels got to be round.
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Dan Anderson
If Marijuana should be illegal and immoral, then given the intoxicating properties of alcohol-based beverages as well as some medications, they, too, should be both illegal and immoral.
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Steven Theodore Hulberg
GENESIS 1:11... Behold, I give you EVERY SEED BEARING HERB... THIS TOO IS GOOD!
And what is Marijuana???
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Yuri Geifman
I'll take Cheech and Chong any time over those hypocrites who talk about the evils of toking and then go and rape some little boys.
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Kevan B Copelin
Posted one earlier. 9:15am CDT. JACK wants it to be seen!
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Patricia Ann Wileman
DoHow do you like what the Bible says about no strong substance. Any the other days they drank wine because water was bad but they did not say to get drunk. Which means don’t get high on marijuana. This substance has been around way before our time. People should understand you can get high on life without happen to have a substance to make you feel good which means getting high.
I don’t see any difference between drinking and marijuana. Because of what I just said in the paragraph prior getting high is not having life. However in today’s times they have made all substances pretty much legal like in Oregon. As summer not noticed on the Whole West Coast California Oregon Washington they have so many homeless people. I no longer even went to visit California because as an example San Francisco to walk into a business you’re gonna have to walk over somebody’s feces or accidentally step on hypodermic hypodermic needle. Because it’s OK to be high. And this is what most of you guys are advocating when you say it’s OK to be high on marijuana or anything else. Because it all starts somewhere and you need a little bit more to feel a little bit better each and every time. Now this item marijuana or whatever it’s not enough so I got to go a little further. Am I saying everyone who does marijuana goes to stronger drugs know. But I’m going to say so many have and you guys are all advocating how great it is to just be loaded.
I’m also going to say just because you say it’s legal in your state and you have a right true. But I’m going also going to tell you there’s a lot of job they can’t have you on any kind of drugs to drive a truck run heavy equipment and so on so there goes your job and you get to be in the tent living as a homeless person or live in your moms basement. How about y’all grow up and get high on life. There’s a lot of enjoyable things without being high. But you have free choice the Bible says so. So I hope you make your good choices because it says in Proverbs ask for wisdom and He will give it to you. And if you think being high is going to make you Wise you make me laugh. Y’all have a blessed day and you all have free choice. And just because ministers are trying to teach you there’s something better and you choose not to it’s your choice.
But I will say being high on the Holy Spirit is a better high than you’ve ever had a marijuana. And tell you’ve had it you won’t know what I’m talking about.
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Greg Formoe
Good luck on your journey, hope you evolve.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Keep your so-called holy Spirit! I've been there, and won't make that mistake again. Besides that it is well Known in Wicca that two spirits can't inhabit one body at the same time. It sounds more like them having imagined experiences, than the spirit of àny god getting in them.
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David Arthur Lewis
Patricia, are you aware that Biblical Archaeology in the Holy Land has proven beyond any doubt that ancient Hebrews and early (pre-Constantine) Christians burned cannabis indica on their altars? This is one of the plants referred to as "incense" in the English Bible translations, but has a very different meaning in Hebrew and Aramaic. King David was stoned when he wrote those Psalms, honey. Wake up and smell the incense.
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David Arthur Lewis
Until you have experienced God's medicine for the soul, you have no idea what the Holy Spirit is. It is definitely not that mob mentality that you experience in church. I pray the goddess will grant you enlightenment.
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Lawrence Guy Linzmeier
I don’t think anyone really cares about the opinion of a bunch of paedophiles regarding marijuana…
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Alan Joseph N E U B E R T
Amen Raydeen
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Alan Joseph N E U B E R T
Amen Raydeen
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Kevan B Copelin
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
You might find it better Kevan, to achieve and maintain balance, in all things. Just food for thought.
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Michael Bryan Alvin I
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Matthew 7:1-2
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Patricia Ann Wileman
“Jesus responded, “The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’”” Matthew 4:7 NLT
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Daniel J Collins
My Church advocates for cannabis use in recovery and as a stress reliever ...the book states herb bearing plants and that is what cannabis is. The religious right quite frankly use interpretations to control and yes Jesus was the first to utilize I’m sure cannabis in service to others. Church of Recovery is our faith based church in Phoenix Arizona
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William J Lewis
Let's see how many Pastors agree with this FACT!
Alcohol is the most widely-abused substance in the United States, yet alcoholism is often left untreated. Alcohol addiction is detrimental to a person’s physical, mental and social wellbeing.
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Greg Formoe
Part of the problem is that people do not see alcohol as a drug, it is not just a drug, it is a strong drug.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I'll drink to that! Now, will you please pass the bong?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
The topic we're on doesn't have anything to do with alcohol or alcoholism. Save it for an A.A. meeting, when the chairman asks if anyone has a topic. We don't get to choose what we talk about here. They Nick out articles for us to discuss, I suppose in the hope of it making us better ministers.
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Thomas William Cornfield
Everyone who drinks booze has no other right to judge canibis ... Ya more people die from it, abuse others useing it, and then say please forgive me lord.. I say you dont drink in church so you should not smoke in church. The reason younger people dont go to church is because of the judgmental older people. Who will point a finger at anyone they dont like. Not because of smoking Pot. and people forget JUDGE NOT OR YE SHALL BE JUDGED FOR MAKING IT.. iF YOU DONT TALK ABOUT SOMETHING GOOD OR BAD YOU WONT BE ABLE TO USE IT AS AN EXCUSE YOU FLOCK IS DWINDLING OR NOT AT ALL, opps sorry for the caps but im not gonna retype all that. And Jesus christ never preached bad about it, only pastors who think they have some kind of control, which Jesus never preached for control only to the father The Lord God Almighty creator and destroyer of all things in the universe, not only here on the planet earth
Minister Thomas, Cornfield
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
And some really great booze comes out of corn fields too, but don't expect to find it on a store shelf. You'll have to have your own still to make it. And it goes good with marijuana, I should add, since that's what we're talking about.
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Minister Raydeen
If it was made for medicine, yes but to smoke it NO. some roots was made to rub on skin and heal. everything God made is Good!! it is wild marijuana that grows on side of the highway, but it will not get you HIGH, but it will heal. THINK ABOUT It, God is in control.. The Flesh has always turn things around. PRAISE GOD!!!!
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Andreas H Kohl
CANNABIS WAS MOST DEFINITELY USED IN THE HOLY HEALING AND ANOINTING OIL RECIPE MENTIONED IN Exodus. Cane was mentioned and at that time was considered a short form of kaneh-bosm, ~EXODUS 30:22-33 Today, according to a serial sex abuse survivor who was a CIA MK-Ultra mind control trained sex surrogate, was recorded as saying, " the CIA promotes use of all kinds of white powder mind control medicines, (pharmacopeia~sorcery), and the only one they say stay away from is cannabis..and you know why? a cannabis consumer cannot be fooled by mind control" WOW. but in exodus it was reserved ONLY for the kings and priesthood. NOW we are ALL kings and priests.
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Greg Formoe
Actually smoking it was a treatment for diseases causing lung congestion, it helped people clear their lungs. The cough serves a purpose.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
We don't have to smoke it, Raydeen, but can also make brownies. Praise the Lord and the Lady!
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John P Maher
NOW PUGLIA, THATs A COMMENT WORTH READING, AMEN !
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John P Maher
WELL PASTORS, YER ONLY 2000 YARs BEHIND in THINKING MAY YOU NEED MORE TIME and that TELEPHONE in the PARK, the DIRECT LINE to G O D !
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Michael J Griffin
Who has the least to gain by marajuana being legal, big alcohol, would lose money because people would see that you can get stoned have a good time, and not kill families in head on collisions, not to mention,fights,spouse and child abuse. By the poison they sell to anyone. And Washington DC consumes in the top ten alcohol sales. With legalizing you give the choice between living or dying on poison read the definition of alcohol. Man created alcohol. God created Marajuana.
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Kenneth J. Krehn Jr
Common sense would dictate that "old school" church doctrines would oppose the smoking of Mary Jane. Just as they oppose "gay marriage", "woman's rights" and "racial equality". Gods journey in our lives should be a personal journey of "common sense" and understanding. In the end we alone must stand before our maker.
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Antonino Puglia
AS NATALIE SAID ON HER COMMENT,IT'S HOW I FEEL EVEN THOUGH I D'ONT USE IT ,AS LONG PEOPLE AREN'T HURTING ANYONE ,MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS,GIVE A LOOK ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD,THE STRUGGLING THAT FAMILIES GO THROUGH ECT...
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Ronaldo
Marijuana was made by God, just as was tobacco, sugars, opium poppies, peyote, caffeine, alcohol, fats and a lot of other things that can affect our bodies, and be somewhat addictive. Are these pastors that are against marijuana also against all these other things? Personally, I have no problem with people responsibly using any of these natural products as long as they do not chemically alter them. Drying and evaporating are natural events, so they do not count as an alteration. We, as a society, did not have an obesity problem when our main sweeteners were sugars, but when Man made HFCS in his laboratory, the obesity problem showed up shortly thereafter. Man did not have a problem with tobacco for generations, but when Man added the 800 secret ingredients to tobacco, in the form of cigarettes, people started dying in droves. No studies have shown tobacco alone to be a problem, but that may be because there are virtually no studies on just tobacco, without the additives. When I was young, I remember when butter was very bad for you, but Crisco, "the transfat in a can", was good for you. Now we know better. When it comes to such things, my philosophy has always been, "made by God, it's good; made by Man, not so much". So far, it's worked well for me, as I am less than a year from 70, healthy, and on no maintenance prescriptions at all.
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Kevin Joseph Kervick
As a retro-culturist, the argument that because many people are accepting something as normal is irrelevant to its goodness. Pornography is enjoying the same normalization and it is destroying lives. The culture is the problem.
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John Calvin Britt
Seems like there's a Henry Anslinger in ever generation only this time being racist of Mexicans he was racist against the Hebrew People.
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Cynthia L. Howell
Cannabis is IN the Bible
Look up anointing oil, main ingredient is cannabis oil.
Genesis 1:29
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Marinated leg of lamb roast is not a dark imagining, Ehrman,but more like a dream come true, considering the cost of lamb.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
And according the god Hermes Trismegistus (also known as Thoth), the god and godess were created by The All. Everything in existence is only a thought in the mind 9f The All (which in Wicca is known as the ultimate unknowable deity ( the holy Wiccan Trinity).
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Cindy L Edgar
Everyone needs to realize that Mother Earth is the one that created everything that we use when everybody realizes that they'll get a reality check has nothing to do with one God people many gods and goddesses died for us
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Patricia Ann Wileman
Mother earth who or what created mother earth? There is only one God. But God gives you free choice, make your best choice. Have a blessed day.
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Cindy L Edgar
No! there are many goddess and gods
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Rev. Jonathan Peebles
do you realize what type of forum you are on? We are not all Chistians here
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Please, be patient with the mundane neophytes, Cindy. Christianity is on its way out, but it takes the passage of the illusion of time, in this dimension. And noone has come to truly believe anything by having it forced on them.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Take your fears born of fatigue and loneliness Ehrman, and go fly a kite!
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I bet many of those pastors are only speaking in opposition to the use of cannibus to save face. And I bet many of them smoke it.
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David Arthur Lewis
So Frank Graham just proved (again) that he is no Christian. For Jesus said, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." (Mark 16:16-18) So, since Franklin is afraid to touch a snake, he obviously does not believe.
Which is NOT to say that Christians have any kind of moral superiority, or even a code of ethics. They pretty much do what they please and find some obscure out-of-context quote to justify themselves, until they get caught, then they repent and are redeemed to do it all over again. But if their worshippers take a couple tokes, they can see right through the BS. That's the real reason mainline Protestants oppose cannabis. It takes the blinders off and folks can see clearly.
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Patricia Ann Wileman
You just took everything out of context. The problem with you is most Christians already know they’re not perfect. That’s why they asked the Lord to forgive them. And because they’re not perfect they know that we’re going to mess up periodically. But they’re going to try to do the best.
One of the thing it says in the Bible don’t judge. However we all seem to judge a little bit because you have made a great judge about all Christians. But God gives each one of us free choice to except him or not.
They’ve taken the 10 Commandments away so now everything is OK to do. Whether it was a Christian thing or not the 10 Commandments had a lot of good words. Thou shall not kill. Thou shall not steal. That’s just two of them. However now it’s OK to burn down cities because somebody didn’t do exactly what you want we we don’t like police. It’s OK now to go around shooting people because it’s OK now. There’s another eight of those Commandments but I’m not gonna go into them because if you really curious she’ll look them up. However I’m still gonna say do you have free choice and if you want to get high and not have a life that’s your choice. Because you didn’t learn you could get high on life and there’s so much to enjoy without being drugged out with alcohol or drugs. But I can see you’ve never got high on life. But you can ask the Lord to give you wisdom. Or you can just keep living the way you are and that’s OK too because you have free choice. The Bible says we all have free choice. So don’t be putting down someone who is a
Christian because they don’t agree 100% like you believe but they already know they’re not perfect and every day we try to improve but we’re still not perfect. You just think they think they are, that’s your first mistake. so I’m not saying you’re a bad person because I don’t know you personally but you probably don’t know most of the Christians personally.
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David Arthur Lewis
What??I take things out of context"??? And then you throw around random out-of-context bible quotes??? As a recovering Catholic altar boy, I do not need to know any more Christians, X-tians, or Christoids. Jesus said, "By their works you shall know them", and all the works of Christians that I've seen are filled with lies and sin.
You may want to re-read that bible instead of just thumping it. You will find that the Lord God issued 613 Commandments, not just the 10 that Christians choose to ignore at will. And spare me any more out-of-context quotes justifying your ignorance.
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Kandis Marie Snaith
I think you are pretty much all right. Yes, it's a personal choice. And yes, you are the one who is responsible for your own sin. And you will be held accountable for your sins when you pass on and meet your maker. So who is it to say what's morally right and what's morally wrong anyway? Are you the judge on immortality? There is only one judge, and that is God. We have the words of God written in The Bible. We can clearly read over centuries of "history, if you will" what God has relayed as moral in His Word. Every church has a set of bylaws. It is up to the pastor of THAT CHURCH to maintain their parishoner's behavaior (example: The Book of Discipline of the Methodist Church) It is not up to the Pastor of any church to decide what everyone should do. If your preach it...live it.
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Kandis Marie Snaith
Sorry, I meant Immorality Not immortality. But you get the gist....People take care of your own flock. Lead by example. .
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
If you let me bite your neck Kandis,you can have both immortality and immorality. And I'll do it with you, and lead the way. Pleased to meet you. Won't you guess my name.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I'd much rather eat lambs, than have them follow me, Kandis.
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David Arthur Lewis
That old book of mythology is NOT a moral code. Perhaps you should spend a bit more time actually reading the WORDS of the bible. You would be horrified at some of the porn and violence. It is filled with sin, vice, murder, betrayal, and every kind of evil that man can devise. The only moral code in that book is the Gospel of Matthew. So, show me where Jesus condemns using herbs. Chapter and verse, please.
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Cindy L Edgar
There still is no proof that God wrote the Bible the Bible has been written by man for centuries and there is no proof that God even exist try that one on for size guys
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Greg Formoe
Of course it was written by man, God does not concern himself with our details, only our progress.
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Leah Glass
Personal choice.
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MIKE
If using marijuana is morally wrong, so is using alcohol. Marijuana is made by God, alchohol is made by man by manipulating grains made by God.
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Theresa
Dennis, exactly!
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Rev. Jonathan Peebles
If it heals people better than drugs why is it wrong!!! My medicines do not much for me I need relaxation for my problem that do not harm my organs Gods made plant to help us It not the plants faunt people take it to far! You might as well go back to prohibition because alcohol cause way more problems. The bible even says it is goood to use it so there you go...
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Alan Joseph N E U B E R T
Rev Peebles, were you high when you wrote this? Reread what you wrote, please.
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Rev. Jonathan Peebles
Sorry I happen to have a disability and read my email to late as thank you very much and I do not take it to get high just relax and heal I must let my self get to far gone as I never have and never will
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I'll drink to that!
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
It's all the same, Dennis. A buzz is a buzz. The only thing that's different is the type of buzz. Some like uppers, some like downers, and some like seeing things that can't be seen by any other means. Just go to the candy store, and take your pick, and don't get caught by your pastor, with your hand in the bush, in the bush, in the bush. For all in all, it's just another brick in the wall. And whether or not those pastors like it, with a rebel yell she wants more, more, more!!! And, we're not gonna take it anymore!!!
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Stephen Horrillo
Some "buzzes" replace/repair what's causing the chemical imbalance. They're not all the same for all people.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Whoop's, I knew I forgot to mention something. Thankyou, Stephen Horrillo. P.S. I've never heard of your last name, but have some distant cousins named Murillo. I wonder if Horrillo is also a Cicilian name?
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Brien
Enough of the phony stories. I don't give a damn what some alcoholic evangelical goof has to say about.....anything. Now, please excuse me while I go puff 😅 ✌ ☮
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I'll toke to that, Brien!
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PoetryEmotion
Ditto! Keep blazing and stay amazing, my friends!
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Alan Joseph N E U B E R T
And we don't give damn about you being a pothead, We do however, love you, Brien.
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Brien
Well good, nice to know that drunkard evangelicals don't care what I do, except when you proselytize against everything that does not hold your belief. And while I do appreciate your "love", perhaps you should give it to someone that needs it. Peace ✌☮
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William R Clapie
Well, after doing a "little" research, namely a Hebrew Language stud site, I can say definitely that the words "kaneh-bosm" can indeed in a number of ways be interpreted to mean an aromatic resinous plant. Hum. Sounds familiar. I mean, explain monotremes, had to be a stoner state created animal, right? So, God likes, rock and roll and pot. I am cool with that.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
This is another reason young people don't want to be Christians.
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T
Cause the Christian church has a history of bloodshed, hate, lies and is all about fear/control and taking away free will? hmmm, wonder why....
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CB Cuff
Graham, and other cons such as the 'prosperity preachers' need to take a long hard look in their mirrors (and their souls) before referring to things 'immoral'. Smoking a dried plant BAD, but scamming tens of millions of dollars every year from folks is GOOD. Interesting how people who have never indulged, or admit to it, become experts on the topic. LSD is becoming more widely used for medical purposes today, with government support, than it was over the previous 50 years. Mushrooms and cactus have provided more 'spiritual insight' than any book, well, even before there were books.
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Cindy L Edgar
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Cindy L Edgar
I think it's better than the government with their medical drugs sticking their noses in where it doesn't belong obviously the prescription drug company please I'm making way more money then they should
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Constante J Zawacki
LSD, used by our christian nation, " under one god" sponered torture was okay.and santioned. however, any other testing that can be carried out for drugs, such as the syphlise against lower class citiuzens is in god's great due allowence, and to be ignored.
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Minister Mike
If those same religious zealots were pounding their pulpits demanding alcohol be banned, too, they might have some credibility. Not much, but some.
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Patricia Ann Wileman
I don't know your age. Alcohol was banned and it's like the drugs coming in from Mexico now by the Cartel. Do your Homework a little bit, alcohol was banned. However so many people think you have to be high on something to have a good time. So there were the bootleggers and the underground what you would call a bar today.
That was a time the gangster Al Capone and others killed so many to make a little money. Really a lot of money from people like talking on these post.
I personally think it’s quite funny that they say God made marijuana. Did any of you ever hear about Satan. He is the god of the world here on earth. He was thrown out of heaven. So quit putting the bad things on God and put it on the little god of this earth satan who gives you this items that you choose to enjoy. God of heaven and earth gives each and everyone of us free choice. So if y’all want to be living in another world that doesn’t exist that you think is happiness I hope y’all don’t end up on the streets like San Francisco living in your own poop with hypodermic needle‘s thrown everywhere because the marijuana wasn’t quite enough high so you had to go stronger.
And when you talk about Christians were supposed to be this is a Christian blog what a joke. Being a Christian isn’t necessarily about just going to church. It’s a one on one lifestyle with the Lord. And a true Christian knows they need God because they’re not perfect. However the ones on this blog think all Christians think they’re perfect. I really do wish some of she she would read the Bible from start to finish and get some real understanding of what it really means. However Jesus talked in parables because the ones who are not the true believers didn’t understand and they wouldn’t understand so I’m not sure even if you read the Bible you’re going to understand. Until tell you make a choice which I’m not going to tell you what to do. But each and everyone of us have something in us that says something is right and something is wrong. And of course Satan‘s going to tell you go for it. Do you have free choice.
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Minister Mike
I'll celebrate my 71st birthday this year. But, as you know, that has nothing to do with anything being discussed. And not one word of your blather has anything to do with my comment. Go back to sleep.🤬
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Parson Golden
They clearly did not obtain a random sample of pastors. I find it hard to believe that pastors would be that far out of step with the American general population.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
The only way they could get a bunch of pastors together to ask them Quinn was in the rec room, at a nursing home for old preachers, after forcing them to watch Marijuana Madness.
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John
Christian leaders by and large are in no position to present themselves as the "moral" authority on marihuana, alcohol, sexual orientation, gender preference, political affiliation, etc. The more some of these Christian leaders try to affect legislation on moral grounds, the more their flock will thin out and the more desperate they become to present themselves as relevant.
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Linda Salavarria
Absolutely!
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Alan Joseph N E U B E R T
Go ahead Yuri, your choice
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Alan Joseph N E U B E R T
Go ahead Yuri, your choice
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Lionheart
As I’ve said before, the Christian God approves of people being stoned, so we should be ok with it, right?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
No, we shouldn't put up with it, Lionheart. I'll hold that Christian god down while you throw stones at it. We'll give him a taste of his own medicine. He ought to know that what goes around, comes around.
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Lionheart
Sounds good to me, especially if we can first use his slave policy on him of beating him, as long as he doesn’t die in the first two days, just so he gets to know what it feels like to be a slave. Exodus 20:20-21.
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Alan Joseph N E U B E R T
Carl, you're gonna hold God down? RIGHT
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Not my god, but the mythical god of the christians, if Lionheart will throw stones at it's sorry ass. You're damn right I will, Alan!
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Brien
Will any rocks work for this, or do I need to bring a specific type?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
We weren't talking about a real god, Alan. Get your facts straight. Sir Lionheart and I were talking about that evil, make-believe god of that worthless Christian religion.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Only the first word in a sentence should be capitalized, Alan.
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William R Clapie
Isn't "god" a proper name and therefore to be capitalized, IE: God?
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William R Clapie
Sorry bout that. Just a giggle comment.
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Thom
Everything has its good and bad sides. If we look at CDB oils they have some fantastic affects on people. My father, a doctor, said many times marijuana has wonderful affects on people going through medical treatments for cancer, glaucoma and chronic pain. And now we see how it helps with other medical illnesses and I it should be legal for them to use it for good.
As for the bad, I watched my sister who was a regular marijuana smoker, 2 to 3 joints a day, die of cancer. Now, was it the marijuana that caused the cancer or the packs of cigarettes' she smoked on a daily basis? I have watched people who I once knew as motivated people with goals in life totally change once they starting toking away. Example, a friend of mine who was one semester away from graduating from law school dropped out because he would rather get stoned.
Did Jesus smoke dope? Who knows. If he did, I am sure if he did it was edited out of the Bible like so many other things, (i.e. Mary Magdalene's role in Jesus' life). Any church which allows marijuana to be used during the service and makes it a focal point really are not looking to go deeper into the morals and ethics of life.
Should it be legal for use by anyone? Like anything it should be regulated. But, if you look at pain killers and alcohol someone finds a way to abuse it.
How one uses marijuana is up to them but they must be responsible about its use. If someone commits a crime, causes harm to another, does stupid stuff or anything which is out of their norm while stoned, they should be totally responsible for what happened. I am tired of people walking away from a crime because they were stoned. The individual used the drug, did something bad and, must be responsible for their actions.
The moral and ethical ramifications of marijuana is up to the people and not the churches.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Well, Thom, Jesus did have long hair and wore sandals, so he was probably a hippie. And have you ever met a hippie who didn't smoke weed?
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Andrew Clendenning
Thom I totally agree except for the crime I live in Canada and with the legalization of cannabis we have had no rise in crime and it seems to be making Canada a better place I believe that all drugs should be regulated and controlled and use the billions of dollars in policing money to educate prevent and rehabilitation and help people not jail them
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Thom
The primary crime is burglary of pot stores. Since they are all cash and must deposit the money in banks not federally insured or state run only. The average crime is between $20,000 - $50,000 in both cash and pot.
The main numbers I see for crime statistics are from the pot industry so, I am not sure how I can believe them.
My honest belief is a simple one. Make many of the drugs legal and if someone OD's, they OD. They have done what they have done and they are responsible for their own actions. I don't believe the state or federal government should be responsible for everything and be forced to spend money because someone starts doing drugs.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I think all police officers should smoke marijuana, on the job. It should be required of them. Let's sign a petition, and send it to Biden,vsince he's interested in police reform.
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Cindy L Edgar
I am a pagan ordained minister I use marijuana for pain there is nothing wrong with it it is naturally grown it was naturally grown before everybody else started growing it the Indians have been using it for years leave people alone they have the right to live their own lives stop interfering
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I've only ever used marijuana to get a buzz, Cindy, but whatever floats your boat. Maybe we can use it together sometime.
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Andrew Clendenning
I’m in puff puff pass
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Andrew Clendenning
Count me in puff puff pass
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William R Clapie
Wild lettuce can have a similar effect.
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Dr. Bob Thomas
Ecclesiastes 7:29 NASB Behold, I have found only this, that God made men upright, but they have sought out many devices."
If what you do takes you away from God, then it is wrong. Our focus must be on Him and His Son.
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Cindy L Edgar
For the ones that believe there's only one God I feel sorry for you guys there are ones like me that a pagan ordained minister that believe in many gods not just one Julius Caesar is the one that created Christianity do your history people
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Minister Mike
How does one "do" history?
Lordy, this blog is entertaining, sometimes.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
You first must have a conscious out of body experience Mike, so you can go back in time, since the passage of time is only an illusion of this dimension, then you search for someone who is on his last leg and wanting his life to end. Then, while he's sleeping you speak to him in a dream, and he'll relinquish his body to you. Then you'll be back in time, and can change history. Then you better hurry up and get back to your own body, at the precise moment in time when you left, or you might find yourself dead and buried.
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Minister Mike
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
You can smoke weed with me at my Pagan/Wiccan altar anytime, Cindy.
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Cindy L Edgar
Thank you
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taycomama
Do your homework, Cindy. Julius Caesar died before Jesus and had nothing to do with Christianity.
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Cindy L Edgar
No do your homework Christianity was not what the religion was and tell Julius Caesar made it law get your facts straight before you start telling me to do my history I have already done my history thank you it's because I am not a Christian that's why you're attacking me I am a pagan ordained minister I know my history
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William Sadler
It was Emperor Constantine, as in Constantinople, now known as Istanbul, who "legalized" the small but growing cult of early Christians. Mithraism, Sun worship, with a touch of Osiris blended and using ancient fertility and planting/harvesting "holy days" to mark a Roman 12 month calendar, despite the fact that there are 13 moons on a 365.25 day/night year. But the fun part is the Amanita Muscaria mushrooms used by some early Christians (John Allegro, Sacred Mushroom & the Cross... Look it up!)
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Cindy L Edgar
No do your homework Christianity was not what the religion was and tell Julius Caesar made it law get your facts straight before you start telling me to do my history I have already done my history thank you it's because I am not a Christian that's why you're attacking me I am a pagan ordained minister I know my history
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John Anderson
Speaking as another Pagan (Seax) minister, Cindy, YOU need to learn some history. Julius Gaius Caesar died in 44 BCE by assassination, about 4 decades before Yeshua was supposedly born, circa 4BCE in the spring. The Emperor you are thinking of is Constantine, who was emperor from 306 - 337 CE (300 years after Julius Caesar's assassination, and about 2 centuries after the death of the bloodline claiming direct descendancy from him through blood or marriage). HE was the one who legalized Christianity in the Empire, and placed himself as the head of the new organized church, which started Christianity's power-hungry ways.
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Cindy L Edgar
I have done my history so somehow you're getting different facts then I've got but I know Christianity has then the one that killed the witches and makes it still hard to this day for witches to exist but that's not even the point the point is about this conversation is should ministers be against marijuana no leave people alone and let them do what they want to do it's their choice nobody has the right to make them choose what they want to do with their lives
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William R Clapie
Hum, died in 44 BC, so, how are they saying he created Christianity?
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David Arthur Lewis
Yeah, actually Cindy, it was Emperor Constantine and his mother Queen Helena who invented Christianity out of the ashes of Mithraism.
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Cindy L Edgar
Zoroastrianism was the very first religion so now who's not doing their history it's not me I know the true facts
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Greg Formoe
- Worship of Stones and Hills 85:1.1 (944.5) The first object to be worshiped by evolving man was a stone. Today the Kateri people of southern India still worship a stone, as do numerous tribes in northern India. Jacob slept on a stone because he venerated it; he even anointed it. Rachel concealed a number of sacred stones in her tent.
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Rev. Robert
Today we wear stones on our fingers, on our necks and even our ankles. Some things take forever to become “enlightened”.
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David Arthur Lewis
Yeah, right. Actually, animism is the very first religion and still lives. Zoroastrianism has had very little influence on Christianity. Mithraism, the religion of the military elite of the ancient empires of Rome, Greece, and Persia, is the root of all Christian practice.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
The past is gone forever. The future will never get here. All we ever have is now.
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David Arthur Lewis
Yes, Carl. Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. Today is a gift. That's why we call it the Present.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Well, Dr.Bob, my patron god Apollo's son is Esclepios, but that doesn't make him my patron demi-god. It sounds like we must belong to different Wiccan tràditions. Personally, I am a natural eclectic solitairy, and have studied quite a bit about various sects, but haven't yet come across anything along the well worn path which said anything about focusing on a god and his son, or even a goddess and he son, which would be a demi-god, with attributes which could be partially or fully unlike that of his parent god or goddess, and would need to be focused on and addressed separately.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Men only become upright by learning how to walk as toddlers.
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Katelynne Shouse
The smoking lantern is lit.....smoke 'em if ya got 'em!
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Ty Ford
Sounds like someone decided to write an inflammatory piece to start some conversation. There isn't a By Line, so it's hard to say who it was. Aren't things already difficult enough today?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Well Ty, we've got to have something to talk about, and they don't let us choose the subjects or articles. They seem to think that giving us wierd articles to discuss is making us better ministers. At any rate, it sure beats sitting here contemplating my navel.
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Rev Mark D
You definitely may be onto something. One study. No reference. Sounds a lot like a scientific study of two guys I know.
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Natalie
I do not understand why people always have to interfere with everyone's personal choices. As I have said once I'll say it again. I am the one to pay for my sins.. not anyone else ..So what should it matter to others what I do as long as I am not doing anyone harm. And personally many stoners are to busy being high on marijuana to cause any trouble.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I wonder if T Kosse knows the words to the theme song from The Making Of A Male Model: Sweet Dreams Are Made Of These? This seems like a good place for that song.
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Martha Knight
Some proportion of those anti-weed pastors are pastors in denominations that forbid SMOKING, or tobacco use, and also forbid use of alcohol. But many of those pastors also know that many of those ATTENDING services use tobacco and/or alcohol. A denomination's rules may require MEMBERS to refrain from use of tobacco or alcohol, but people may attend without being MEMBERS.
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Rev Mark D
The point is, though, WHY do those denominations forbid it? And is your response even on point?
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Or, they could just smoke salvia Divinorum.
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William R Clapie
Or Rabbit Tobacco.
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T Kosse`
Right and I'll bet 99.9% are high
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
If I ever have my own church there will always be a joint and a Nice lighter in every pew, and the lighter will be secured to a chain. Everyone will have assigned seats, with their names on donation envelopes, and those who put more in the hat will get more weed, and maybe even an unsecured lighter.
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I am a pagan ordained minister I believe that marijuana is better than any drugs that a pharmacy can make out there everybody has complaints about everybody doing marijuana even the minister but I am one of those ministers that eat Edibles and smoke marijuana and uses it in my food it's naturally grown and it's sad that ministers don't understand that but I am a minister and I do understand that I would rather take a anything that has to do with marijuana then a prescription drug from a pharmacy that is not natural and everybody thinks that alcohol is a savior wall I am scared to tell you no alcohol is worse than marijuana is