Plagued by everything from chafing, to rashes, to serious infections, Mormon women are finally speaking out about the undergarments they wear as part of their faith in the LDS Church.
Known as temple garments, church doctrine mandates that these holy outfits be worn by both men and women under their regular clothes "night and day."
However, some women say the garments – manufactured and distributed by the LDS church – are incredibly uncomfortable and that they've been quietly suffering for years.
Enter Sasha Piton, a Mormon influencer who’s leading the charge on a redesign and a fabric change. She's also not mincing words, saying: “my vagina has to breathe.”
The question is, will the Mormon Church listen?
A Brief History
Within Mormonism, the temple garments are a symbol of commitment to the church and to Jesus Christ nearly as old as the LDS church itself. Early church president Joseph F. Smith (nephew of founder Joseph Smith) declared Mormons hold the undergarments as "the most sacred of all things in the world, next to their own virtue, next to their own purity of life."
Modern Mormons have lost none of that early zeal for these garments, which have gone functionally unchanged since the 19th century. A 2016 poll found that just 14% of Millennial Mormons believed it acceptable to remove the temple garments if they were uncomfortable.
Designed and manufactured by the church, the temple garments are a simple white two piece cotton or synthetic blend.
The temple garments, which consist of a white two-piece cotton or synthetic blend, have been derisively referred to by non-Mormons as “magic underwear.”
While many LDS church members believe the garments bring them closer to God and provide at least some element of “spiritual protection,” few report thinking that their underwear provides any sort of magical benefit. Rather, they can be compared to garments in, well, basically every other faith tradition: a holy tradition that helps one feel closer to one's faith.
A Prayer For New Underwear
It’s clear that Mormon women take the garments seriously. Is it time the LDS church take their complaints seriously in return?
Sasha Piton lists a few changes she’d like to see: “buttery soft, seamless, thick waistband that’s not cutting into my spleen, breathable fabric.”
Her campaign began after a low-impact hike that nonetheless left Piton with a rash courtesy of her temple garments. She decided then to use her following to hopefully directly influence the church’s 96-year-old male president.
The posts have drawn thousands of responses and DMs from Mormon women who reported the garments routinely cause them rashes, pain around the waist, and even chronic yeast infections. Many women also reported wearing traditional underwear underneath their temple garments during their period, because the temple garments can’t accommodate something as simple as a pad.
Will They Listen?
Now it’s time to wait and see if the church will seriously consider a redesign. As one doctor put it, “How the church responds to this movement is a really interesting litmus test for how much the church is starting to trust women.”
Still, not all Mormon women are super attached to keeping the garments at all. As one woman explains it, “People are scared to be brutally honest, to say: ‘This isn’t working for me. It isn’t bringing me closer to Christ, it’s giving me U.T.I.s.’”
These side effects of wearing temple garments virtually 24/7 have led some to question the necessity of these outfits in the first place. They ask: how can someone connect with their faith if one of the requirements is being constantly uncomfortable?
What do you think? Will church leadership listen to the scores of women who say the garments need a redesign to accommodate basic female anatomical needs? And if they don’t listen, should women leave the temple garments behind until they do?
115 comments
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Gwendolyn Lord
All male comments. Where are the females here? Some of the "boys" need schooling.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
And then the4e was Professor Fleutsch. You don't want to get him started.
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Sharon Veronica Meixsell
Hi, as a woman I am asking Schooling about what exactly?
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Ilmenheru Terikson
The Moron Church continues to be an active enemy of the U.S. as it seeks to indocrinate all its followers into putting faith before society and civilization. It is a cult founded on violence and mass murder of actual citizens of the U.S. That they proudly send their children to a university named for a truly abhorrent man, and turn a blind eye to the constant rape and assault of women in their communities tells me that until we tear down every temple to that faith in this nation, this nation will not be able to heal from the wounds its members have inflicted.
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Rex Rowe Lippold
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at your comment, it is so misguided and uneducated that it's just sad to hear anyone make such a statement, you really need to educate yourself about all religion's before making statements like this, you not only hurt yourself but all who read it. Get down on your knee's and ask for your Heavenly Father's help.
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Pink Clover
That post is exactly correct.
Formor Mormon (yes, Mormon) here.
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Robert A Stiff
Ilmenheru Terikson: You have said it all. Mormonism is a crazy cult of brainwashed followers. The underwear, costumes, twisted origin mythology and rampant misogyny are abhorrent.
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Lauren Brooke Michaels
What a bunch of crap.
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Sharon Veronica Meixsell
Sometimes women have to think for themselves regarding if their current faith is healthy for them. I have always found this particular idea of Magical Underwear the absolutely stupidest thing ever. And because this is a massive Patriarchy religion I would tell the women if you don't like the underwear and you are constantly getting physically ill leave the stupid church. These women need to understand that love is at the center of everything and that God will not punish them for having better underwear. They need to understand that this is all about "men" controlling them. Honestly, if a man or group of men think they have to control underwear they are not "real" men and have some real issues they need to deal with. That is why I left the physical church. I am a minister but I would never want to preach in a physical church. I want people to understand that God is everywhere and you don't need a special building to honor your faith. You don't need to put your health in jeporady and get Covid-19 just to get to church to make good points with God. There are SSSOOOO many things wrong with the Patriarchy in Established Religion. It is sickening how much control goes on. Though in this case I have a feeling the Male Church Elders will more or less tell the women to eff off. They will never give an inch. I will be very surprised if they do.
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Shannon Krystelle Shattuck
You go, Sharon! I agree 100% with you! You rock on!!!! ❤️ Love your post!
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Tamara Ann Hawkins
I am a former Mormon woman. I ended up leaving the LDS church because of skin issues I was having from the LDS garment underclothes and had to talk to several male church leaders to explain why I was having trouble with that lifestyle rule. None had a good explanation other than just “keep wearing it, you’ll be blessed for it”
That didn’t align with what I thought god would require so it lead me to more questioning about other things with no explanation and I found the exit door.
Also, spoiler alert - will the LDS Church listen to women on this one? No.
Now, I wouldn’t be surprised if they miraculously have a redesign announcement in 5 years or so and claim it is a new, unprompted revelation from god. They’ll take all the credit. That’s how it usually goes there. Too little too late.
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Shaylee Ann Holley
As a fellow former Mormon, just have to comment that I am so sorry you were put into such a humiliating situation and good job for getting yourself out! And agreed, they'll probably excommunicate Sasha or put a mark on her record and hope that she goes away so they don't have to do anything about the horrible garment situation...until they realize women aren't going to be silenced and they claim god finally revealed to them that women have vaginas and vaginas need to breathe!
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Tamera Barnes
This.
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Rev Nolan
When I was a Mormon, I also wore temple garments. 1) They were humiliating to wear; 2) I found them uncomfortable and inconvenient; 3) and Masonic symbols were a form of idol worship that was absolutely in conflict with the Church teachings about graven images.
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Rex Rowe Lippold
You were wearing them for the wrong reason then, it always makes me sad to hear negative remarks about any religion, we all need to ask our Father in Heaven about the questions you have about these issues, I'm sure if it's done with True Intention and with the spirit, your question will be answered and your understanding to "Why" will be opened to you.
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Shannon Krystelle Shattuck
Wow, Rex Rowe.
And how do you know the Spirit didn’t tell Rev Nolan to get the heck out of there? You really don’t.
It’d probably be good to stop making assumptions about someone else’s personal experiences with religion and spirituality. Just because some people use religions involving holy underwear and Masonic symbols like Mormonism to connect with God and Spirit doesn’t make it right for other people and the Spirit can definitely let you know if it’s right for you or not.
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David A Griffith
What if there is no Father in Heaven? No one yet has been able to show me definitive proof that there is, you know like science or math showing that it is correct and been proven it is true.
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Wedding Officiant Services of Georgia, LLC
What's going on here? What happened to
"The ULC is a non-denominational organization open to people of all faiths, offering everyone the religious freedom to become an ordained minister and practice their beliefs."??? and "If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all."???
The only intelligent comments made here have been from Gwendolyn Lord. It has been made apparent that every man on this thread needs to visit or revisit Human Anatomy 101 poste haste.
Gentlemen(and I use the term loosely), by commenting on a topic about which you know absolutely nothing, you have embarrased yourselves tremendously. Bless your hearts!
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Sharon Veronica Meixsell
For me I do not see this as a religion but more as a cult. When the Males dominate and make the women second class citizens and promote the stupid concept of Magical Underwear than I do not believe that this is a real healthy religion. It is indoctrination from the book of Joseph Smith. When they celebrate polygamy (in the United States) I do not find that a healthy relationship. I usually refrain from making comments but this one is very serious to me as a woman.
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David A Griffith
Are not all religions cults?
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George Ranza Henderson
Hi David,
Just genuinely curious, why would someone who makes the comments, "What if there is no Father in Heaven? No one yet has been able to show me definitive proof that there is..." and, "Are not all religions cults"?, hang out on the ULC website forums? I am not trying to be combative, just curious. Are you a ULC minister? Again, not being confrontational, I am just trying to understand your point of view.
Thanks.
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Brien
The suppressing of idea and thought is possibly the worst one of the worst evils still in existence in this world today. Since organized religions have had a thousand or so years of unimpeded brainwashing, I think it is well past time to speak out against them. To speak out against closed minded teachings, hate and ignorance is every bit as allowed as the fictional quotes that happen here frequently.
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Rev. Dennis
I believe this is an issue best addressed by the members of that particular faith. That being said I would inquire by any in that faith to enlighten me as to how these undergarments actually bring you closer to your creator. In addition I would inquire that if your faith encourages suffering and doing harm to yourself and others.
Thanks in advance.
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Brien
I too am interested in those questions.
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Jeff
As a member, this video synopsis sums it up for me: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/video/2020-01-0100-sacred-temple-clothing?lang=eng . Garments are "outward expression of an inward commitment."
I should also note that there is diversity in cuts, fabrics and styles (not that there isn't room for continuous improvement). A recent update includes different cuts for both statute (regular, short, tall), size (XS, small, med, large, etc) and bust for women (cup size). There are special cuts for nursing mothers, pregnancy and military uniforms. Fabrics range from thermals (cold climates), moisture wicking called drilux (hot climates), mesh, 100% cotton, various cotton blends, performance silk and more. Personally, I'm a fan of a new style that combines breathable mesh on the inseams with a stretch cotton for support elsewhere.
So I would say that the enhancements come out from time to time, but there could still be improvement. The modern garment is not as stodgy as the article makes it sound. And there are feedback loops, like most stores, after you make a purchase you get a feedback survey request. But Mormon's will still complain in their circles - I personally grumble that the sizes don't quite align to major retailers sizes, they run quite large.
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Shaylee Ann Holley
I can appreciate that improvements have indeed been made (I'm so glad I didn't have to wear the style of garments my mom did, for instance!), but unless you have female genitalia, you couldn't possibly know how truly uncomfortable even those "better" garments are. Sasha knows exactly what she's talking about, as do the women supporting her. The styles need to be completely overhauled. Or better yet, removed entirely.
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Rex Rowe Lippold
Where do you get your information from, If you really want to be educated on the LDS religion, go to a Bishop of the church and ask with real intent of wanting to know, with Love and Understanding, Not just the first thing that comes to your mind.
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Pink Clover
Sorry, but that's wrong. A Bishop is like a car salesman, they tell you what they are taught to tell you. If you want to know what a religion is REALLY like, talk to those that have left.
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Angel
Your protesting underwear yet are willing to suffer when your in serious pain? Whatever, it's not my religion. You can keep your underwear and I will keep my tylenol.
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Giovanni T.Coleman
Sasha Piton has an idea that may fix this issue. Nothing we wear as Christians should be uncomfortable. How can you focus on the ministry if you're irritated.
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Tamera Barnes
I am surprised and disappointed at the complete lack of empathy I am reading here on a forum that is supposed to be a collective of spiritual minds.
Having been an active Mormon for 50 years and then ultimately rejecting it, i have the right to point out a few things.
If you don't believe as someone else believes that does not give you the right to ridicule them. Shame on you.
So many of you commented about what Mormons believe and had no idea of what you are talking about. Perhaps try keeping your ears open and your mouth shut, you might learn something.
If the Mormon church is truly a "cult" (and I believe it is) where is your compassion for people who have lived there lives in constant cycles of spiritual abuse? These are real people you are taking about here, mostly good people, who are doing there best to follow a system designed to assert power and control over them. Especially the women.
I would be here for hours were I to correct your misconceptions and point out each of your own flaws of compassion.
On the subject of Temple garments, which was what this thread was supposed to be about, you could equate the temple garment to religious clothing or religious artifacts many religions use to help them remember their commitments to God. Vestments, rosary, crucifixes, hats, etc. That it seems weird to you doesn't justify you.
That a Mormon woman is speaking up about something that doesnt work for her is BIG DEAL and she deserves support not shaming or victim blaming. Definitely not for the topic to be hijacked by highschool boys locker room talk.
Ask real questions if you don't understand. Be the minister you supposedly are.
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Minister Deidre
Exactly this! Thank you, because all of this definitely needed to be said. I don't understand why people follow the Mormon religion or any of its offshoots, but I do try to be respectful when discussing in public forums. As ministers, we are called to reach out and help, not to ridicule and rebuke.
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Kathleen Jacobs
Here here. If you have a truth, speak it. It is not our job as ministers to degrade someone else's beliefs. And if you really want to know what Mormons believe (or anyone else), visit their church, read their literature, and take some classes from them. ALL churches have bad people. And whenever there is a predominance of ANY religion you will have the same experiences as this young man. In the 1950s, I lived in a predominantly Catholic community where the priests taught their congregations how to get missionaries of other religions to get arrested. Later, in the 1990s, my daughter wasn't allowed to register for high school in Texas if she wouldn't accept a Bible from the local predominant religion. When a religion is represented predominantly in any community, it loses itself into becoming a culture...
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Shaylee Ann Holley
MIC DROP. Bravo. 💜
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Brien
The only thing I can say to that is when you stop referring to yourself as a club member, or former member, or a thing such as color, and refer to yourself as a human being, then a discussion is possible. I will not acknowledge you as a thing, only as a fellow human being. Peace ☮️
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Angel
Living in a Mormon town, these are horrible people. IF your the minister's kid, you get away with murder in order to do a favor for the leadminister so you family can climb the ranks in the church and earn more privilages. They treat outsides like dirt and will hook each other up and while kicking outsider's to the curb. I've seen this from everywhere from kid's softball teams to working in the community. They ALWAYS hook each other up when ina place of power and give these positions to people of the church while by -passing other employees who are harer working, have put in more time and experieince, and who have actually worked for it. Nope, sorry kiddo team is full and your not Mormom! I wore my pent into a convient store one time and order a scratcher ticket. The mormon kid actually had the nerve to say to me " don't use satan's power's to win". He wasn't the mormon t make nasty comments to me. So, you can keep your defense, but as the outsider looking in, it's nothing more then a rich person country club and nobody does anything unless it's to climb the latter and gain more privilages from the church!
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Marnell C Keller
Until there is equality as a whole in Christianity, the misogyny will continue. I hope to see a day where Christianity, Christian pastors of all sects understand that the "woman" is equal, has a voice and has the same basic rights as men. Women are not lessor and deserve respect.
The tear down here in the thread by those who claim to be representatives of Yahweh and Yeshua is astounding. Telling women to shut up and sit down, such it up and bear it for your god and faith, shows you all how far you still still need to go. Your Yeshua never belittled women, never said they are second or should stand behind a man. Paul said it ... but he is not your god or your savior, but a flawed human who interjected his own misogynist views that were rampant then, as at looking at this thread, now.
You all are an embarrassment to your own god and faith
Signed this Norse Pagan Gothi
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John P Maher
HAVE NOT the MORONS NEVER HEARD of MOUTH to VAGINA C P R ???
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Gwendolyn Lord
Again, another scintillating brilliant frat house comment. 2021. Wake up.
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Sharon Veronica Meixsell
Hi, I don't want to be confused by your comment. Is that wake up as get with the program or Wake up as in "get woke". Because I do not understand the "get woke" concept. But totally understand "get with the program.
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Tom
They're basically two ways to say the same thing.
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Isaac Solomon
If the CPR is unsuccessful, might you be charged with vagicide?
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William Waugh
These are the same folks that are "ok" with multiple wive's right? Right up thier with separation from nature, cleanliness is next to godliness and volcanoes are hell's exhaust vents. I do believe the forever pajama thingee may have originally been efforts to stay disease free back when the earth was flat.
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David Arthur Lewis
Does the creator really care what kind of underpants you wear?
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Lionheart
It would be nice if there was a creator that it would let us know, but I guess we are not going to hear from it anytime soon, and I think, if we were all really honest with ourselves, we all know why, don't we?
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Dr. Samuel D Goldman, Ph.D. D.D.
I'm following Rev. Dennis's lead here & other's. It seems to me that if your church or the leadership, demands that you suffer for your faith by wearing garments that put you in a position of, in my mind, deferring your thoughts and physical feelings, toward suffering and not toward your relationship with your congregation and a loving relationship with your G-d.
In The relationship with my congregation and the outreach I do with other Veterans does not depend on what I'm wearing, It depends on how we build our relationships, through love and understanding.
Rabbi Samuel Goldman
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
It's kind of like putting on a beanie when you go into a synagogue, is'nt it Rabbi? You never know what you might catch from someone who wore it before you. Shalom!
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Minister Deidre
You do know that they clean those, right?
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CB Cuff
Another entertaining example of industrial religion policy. It's hard to grasp that there are people who are that insecure, that they would participate in such absurdity.
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Shannon Krystelle Shattuck
I was born into the Mormon church and left before I had to wear the holy garments. (Thank goodness.) I never had to go through the Mormon temple and take the sacred covenants (thank goodness). I always thought they were weird, even growing up being surrounded by the holy garments- I never liked them, I thought they were ugly and ridiculous- and I witnessed the problems they gave my mom (she was constantly uncomfortable, always having to adjust them, sweating profusely in the summer, and she fought yeast infections, rashes and UTI’s for as long as I can remember) They are one the things that made me question EVERYTHING involving the Mormon religion- what does special panties have to do with God and Jesus and why is the women’s special panties so much more uncomfortable than the men’s? It made think the Mormon men really didn't like women all that much. And I was pretty sure God wouldn’t make ugly, uncomfortable underwear for anyone to wear. And I remember thinking this as young as 5. And telling my mom I would never wear that crap. And her getting very angry with me and telling me I would. And I remember crossing my arms and thinking to myself there was no was on God’s green earth I would ever be caught dead in that crap. And I kept my word to my five year old self! Wear what you want, folks! Just be good people to one another, that’s all that matters anyway. 🤷🏼♀️
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Kathleen Jacobs
You don't understand because you left the church before going through the temple. It is a choice to wear the garments and only those who truly believe and have been through the temple will understand. No one forces anyone to do anything in the LDS Church (free will is a foundational belief).
If anyone is reading these comments, consider the source.
People who grow up in a multi generational church are also poor resources because they have never axtually been converted and rarely know the beliefs of that church. Born into a church makes it more a family culture, or area culture, and is not representative of the actual beliefs of the church. Leaving that church is often an extension of the rebellion that is natural to rebelling against family and authority.
Study on your own and don't believe what you hear about ANYONE'S religion unless you hear it from a devoted follower. People who leave churches to go to another are not good sources for the one they left as they typically leave the first Church with bitterness and anger.
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Colleen McAllister
What a bunch of hatred I see in these comments. How sad for a group of so-called spiritual people.
On my mother's side the family was Mormon all the way back to the founding. Brigham Young was part of our "circle". My grandmother wore the garments (a one piece nylon variety) all of her life. My mother, sister, and I did not nor did grandma suggest we should. It has always been up to the individual what they choose to wear under their clothes. Unless you are disrobed how would anyone know?
We all left the church in the late 60s and are now all baptized into a Baptist Church, as was my brother. No church can force you to do anything against your will unless you allow them to. There is often that one thing that glitches when you begin to attend a church. Pay attention to that. If something feels off, or you are not comfortable about doing it, then back off and think about it. I was very young when I saw things I did not agree with and therefore I always found a way to get out of being baptized Mormon. I believe now that God was protecting me. And He still is.
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Philip Joseph Ryan
Did this woman miss the lesson on human biology, explaining that breathing is done via the nose, or mouth? If her vagina is breathing, she ought to see a doctor. Still, it may explain her bad breath. Seriously, though, this licence to print money serves no purpose, other than to fill the church's coffers. But, if you can believe Mormonism, then thinking that wearing Victorian drawers, wouldn't be hard at all.
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Gwendolyn Lord
Wow!A sexist stupid comment, offensive in the extreme, and in 2021. Obviously you haven't come out if your cave yet, Rico Suave.
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Philip Joseph Ryan
Did you ever have any kind of formal schooling? Your lack of syntax suggests that you were sat un the corner, wearing a dunce's cap. It explains why all of the disciples were male.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Thankyou, Lord! We need a woman like you to straighten us up.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Stick aroundMiss Lord. There are lots of other highly opinionated female ministers on this blog that you'll fit right in with. It's unusual for none of them to have commented yet, but I'm sure they'll be along shortly.
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flugo
'gourd': 'Sexist'? Just expressing a viewpoint many were reluctant to opine. Women DO wear clothing intentionally that is likely to constrict and impair.
Why, just last week I saw a woman in Walmart wearing a pair of skin-tight pants, 'Mumbles' I think they're called.. You can see the lips moving, but can't hear a thing they're saying!
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Marnell C Keller
What the actual H? Did you just fall out of the stone age or what?????/- patriarchal BS at its finest here. Your obviously have no clue on biology let alone female biology, Skin as a whole breathes, go stick your hand in a sink full of water and watch the bubbles form, I learned this in 5th Science.
My opinion, yes this is your religion and your faith, but no one should be dictating what you wear on your body ladies... let alone any man.
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Philip Joseph Ryan
You must be really stupid, if you think skin can breathe. There's no point arguing with an obnoxious cretin, now get back into the kitchen.
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Tom
Wine certainly isn't alive but we still let our wine "breathe" before consuming to ensure we're getting the best taste of the wine. Likewise, skin doesn't "breathe" air like our lungs do but we still say we're "letting it breathe" to indicate that we are exposing something to air, like skin. Arguing semantics while spewing misogyny is pretty shameful behavior for a minister.
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Shaylee Ann Holley
https://www.cottonique.com/blogs/blog/17694489-does-skin-actually-breathe
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Philip Joseph Ryan
You must be really stupid, if you think skin can breathe. There's no point arguing with an obnoxious cretin, now get back into the kitchen.
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Robert A Stiff
"If her vagina is breathing, she ought to see a doctor. Still, it may explain her bad breath." You seriously wrote and posted such a sexist and offensive comment? How old are you...5?
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John Hernandez
Woman, just like men. Should e able to choose.
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Russell F McDonough
Churhes should never dictate underwear. Virtue is an adult decision. Some men and women, do wear very suggestive underwear and some wear none at all. That's the choice of those folks. At one time our bodies were covered with hair.
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RFSmith
Holy underwear. I have some! Yes, my undergarments may be over 10-years old but they're breathable and loose fitting - very comfortable. Oh wait. My holy has an "e" in it. Never mind...
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Val Jester
If you are a denomination and have written the 67th book, your church is in trouble.
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tuppennyblue
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_and_the_criminal_justice_system
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Nicholas J Page
Have these undergarments being riogulesrty tested if so.were they actually tested by the ladies themselves and agreed on or not if they were tested Why aren't the women who oppose them wearing them why aren't they wearing clothing that's comfortable to them.Really why do men have to know about it.Surely it's private to the ladies If I was or my wife was in a similar position we wouldn't announce it to anyone????
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Sharon Veronica Meixsell
Women are second class citizens or less in this Established Patriarchy Religion. They are not allowed free thought. If they do and are found out they are punished. The Underwear is considered as I understand - they say Magical Underwear (for both men and women). Google Magic Underwear Mormons for more info. The Male Church Elders follow the book of Joseph Smith. That is like their Bible. Also, there is no one wife. There is one husband and many wives. They follow the concept of polygamy. So, like I said earlier women are treated as second class citizens or less. This may be the religion where the women call each other sisters and each one spends time with the husband -- you share. And you live with all of the other wives. Again, not absolutely sure and not absolutely sure these rules are still being followed.
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tuppennyblue
Search 'Joseph Smith and the criminal justice system'.
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Cindy L Edgar
Why there's no law against black women have to wear
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Rev Mark D
Oh, here is the answer, I just had a vision...
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Eating it is not a thing of youth to be surrendered Ehrman, but a thing of old age, before Viagra.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Sorry, Lord Gwendolyn, but we need more women around here. Your vagina isn't breathing right. We need more vagina!!!
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John Komorowski
Along with the cowbell, right? One ringy dingy...
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John Norris Campbell
I'm sure all those muslim women voted to wear their black "burkas", a head to toe garment worn in public in the freaking desert sun. Sounds legit eh? I'm not even comfortable wearing a black t-shirt in the Texas heat. They wear them to keep lustful thoughts from entering the minds of the men...Perhaps this is something like that, If one must actually spend some considerable time removing their "Temple" undergarments before acting on impulse, it may just be enough time to reconsider that impulse. But seeing how BOTH religions embrace polgamy, with the women getting the short end of the stick, and the men of course, keeping a stable of women to choose from, I'm sure it's a man's idea keeping the goods hard to get for others. To each their own.
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Kathleen Jacobs
Please read your history. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) gave up polygamy in the 1800s via a prophetic command to 'obey the laws of the land'. The 'Mormons' who practice polygamy are excommunicated offshoots of the church and are not in any way connected to the original church founded by Joseph Smith.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I wonder if the wedding officiant services of Georgia is still run by Beavis and Butthead. They were the founders of the organization.
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David Whitehurst Watson
"un he corner"? And you criticize syntax.
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Joe Gamio
I believe we should leave it up to the Mormons, woman have changed cause life has changed and this is what I believe God wanted, they can do a man's job ,they can be in military, as long as they have Christian faith the shall be allowed in my religion. Made God Bless us all. Minister Joe Gamio
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Glen Baksh
Yes I can't breathe. Let everything that have breath Praise the Lord. She is right. 🙏🙏🙏
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Bishop Ronnie B Powell
Pray about it & listen to your Hearts & what is God telling U : We can't judge each other but We can pray for one another. We all know what is Wrong or Right!!!! What would Jesus Do : Have a awesome bless week everyone: In Christ: ASST. PASTOR / DISTRICT BISHOP RONNIE B POWELL
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Cindy L Edgar
I don't believe that a religion good make any woman wear something they don't want to wear women should be able to wear whatever they want to wear any kind of garment we should not have to dress a certain way for anybody or any religion this is the 20th century get it through everybody's head women have right just like men do when men start realizing wrong then things will start changing but I am one of those women that will stand up for women's rights until the day I die I am a pagan ordained minister I wear whatever I want to wear I look the way I want to look there is nobody in this world going to tell me how I can dress or the way I have to look nobody likes that too bad
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Paul J. Fumero
Mormonism is by far one of the most puzzling "religions" out there. Its right in the same group as islam in strangeness. Both have so many elements of "hocus pocus" in them LOL. But "holy underwear" tops the list of ridiculousness.
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Ruth Veale
Does it really matter what undergarments are worn, it's about the faith and not the clothes.
How is wearing these clothes (or not) going to make you less of a person in the eyes of the Lord.
What you wear under your garments is a personal matter and should only be discussed with you and your conscience.
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Lawrence Albert Taylor II
In order for anyone to do their daily business shopping sleeping working driving you want to feel comfortable that includes service to the lord. Men I know some us can sympathize about how certain underwear can bunch up or ride up on our anatomy thus making one choose a comfortable alternative boxers or "commando". I agree that the women of LDS should be allowed to wear what ever undergarments or even no under garments as long as they practice their faith and feel comfortable doing it. That is the most important thing here
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Ronaldo
The Bible mentions clothing in several verses, but they tend to be a bit vague outside of discussing what the priests should wear. Women should dress modestly, according to Scripture, and neither men nor women should dress in a flashy fashion that advertises their wealth. I have found no mention of undergarments to be worn in church. If these temple garments must be worn in order to draw one closer to God, you would think they would be made entirely of fabrics created by God, but this article says the church often makes them from synthetic fabric blends. That would be less likely to draw people closer to God than it would be to draw profits closer to DuPont. When the Bible describes acceptable church clothing, it focuses on the image presented, not the comfort of the underwear. Uncomfortable underwear demanded by God is likely to push people away from any deity that has no concern for their comfort while worshipping.
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Joseph Balletta
I don’t believe that there could be any esoteric meaning to the design of the under garments which more then likely were put together with very little consideration as far as “ comfortable design goes. So why not go for a confortable design? It seems to me that precedent that relies on a basis of some nebulous authority given to precedent alone indicates unreasonable restriction. I am hoping this will not be the case.
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Rex Rowe Lippold
Many changes have been made to help the individual to be not only more comfortable but to be less conspicuous, They have made changes for the Military also, they are no more uncomfortable then a T-Shirt and Boxer Briefs. The purpose for wearing them supersedes the idea of total comfort. Like school uniforms, Military Uniforms, they are uncomfortable but necessary to the user. Anyway, that's about all I have to say about that.
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Lawrence Albert Taylor II
Religion is a state of mind based on what you believe in not what you wear or not wear under your clothes. Believe me I tried wearing underwear boxers briefs for many years found them to be very uncomfortable then I decided to go commando now I feel comfortable as I go through my day. As I said in a previous post you want to feel comfortable where ever you do in your daily life go to the store work doctor dentist date even church. As others have said it shouldn't matter what you wear or don't wear under clothes as long as you practice your faith that should be the important thing in all this
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Rex Rowe Lippold
I am shocked at what these "so called" Ministers have to say to each other, they are so filled with hate for each other it's no wonder this world is having the troubles it's having, you all need to repent and ask for forgiveness, To Love thy Neighbor means to Love everyone not just the people to the right and left of you, My Mom always said, "If you haven't got anything nice to say" you all know the rest. Our schools and Church's are failing us and your failing them, get educated and just be kind to each other, you will feel so much better about yourselves. With much Love!!
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Shaylee Ann Holley
Again, "with much love" does not make you sound any less judgemental. Stop saying it if you're not going to show it.
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Shaun Jackson
I will say this. It’s been that way for years and years and if you choose to follow the religion then deal with the Rules. Too many religious folks are changing and adapting Religious words to fit them. It’s not really about everyone. It’s “Them”. That have the issue. Vaginas have breathed for years with the undergarments and will continue. Times have changed and so have people but The Word is a template to live by besides how many do you think actually wear them. What you do in your home is between you GOD and you can deal with the repercussions
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Shannon Krystelle Shattuck
The material and the way that the garments are constructed make it harder to vaginas to have proper air circulation and it causes yeast infections, rashes, UTI’s, and loads of other female issues. The underwear is not designed with the female anatomy in mind and it shows because of all the health issues female Mormons are having- and it’s a HUGE percentage of Mormon women. I don’t agree with the Mormon church, I left the Mormon church, but they have a right to talk about things that don’t work for them and need to be changed if it’s an organization that they still want to be a part of- the Mormon church has changed regulation many times- the underwear used to look different than what it looks like now, they used to be more like long Johns. It can be changed- but it has to come from the top and the top is filled with men who have no clue about the female body.
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Shaylee Ann Holley
The problem is that vaginas HAVEN'T been breathing for years with the garments. As has been pointed out, yeast infections, UTIs, sweating, and more has been occurring for years, but women were either silent or not heard until finally some started to have a voice. I live in a super humid climate and I could not even imagine being told to wear those ugly, thick, non-breathable garments "night and day". That's abuse, plain and simple.
I mentioned in a comment above that I was one of those women who had to wear regular underwear with garments to protect my clothes while on my period. I have a history of very heavy periods and that was always a horrible experience. Until you have the experience of a blood-soaked pad attached to uncomfortable underpants (because even the period panties can't be comfy, that would be an even greater sin!) AND a layer of thick, long underpants on top of that, I personally don't think you have any room to say that women shouldn't try and change their religion just because that's the way it has always been. Women have EVERY right to speak up about something they would like to see changed within a religion they fully intend to stay in OR intend to leave at some point. Good on Sasha and others for refusing to submit to the status quo.
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Clint Knight
I believe that is the mandate of the church! And until they change it, you'll have to abide by the rules no matter how crazy it is!😵
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David L Dicken
Mormon is more of a cult than a religion I’d change religion and whatever else you’d know you should, my wife’s uncle was a Mormon but not the multiple wife kind all they want is your money even on your death bed
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Kathleen Jacobs
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is no more a cult than Baptists, Protestantism or Catholicism. You need to educate yourself before making comments about another person's faith. And don't ask a Baptist about Mormonism or Catholicism. Don't ask a Catholic to explain Protestantism - and so it goes.
If you want to understand a religion go to the source.
And if you believe in something, teach the truth you believe in instead of degrading another's beliefs.
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Norma Battes
From the picture, wishful thinking, Mormon guys.
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Marathuzula
Why is my cult acting like a cult..?
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Steven C Blair
These LDS ladies (if they are active LDS) need to understand their commitment to the faith. Like any other faith if you believe in it then follow what it teaches. No cry baby excuses. The LDS faith HAS changed the garment over the years to make them more accommodating. for BOTH the males and females of the Church. These ladies need to realize that ALL religions have their request and requirements. They need to put up or shut up. Obey and follow their Leaders (who are trying to benefit everyone with the best intensions) or leave the faith. I believe that ALL faiths and their Leaders are trying to the best for there people.
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Shaylee Ann Holley
If you have never worn the garments intended for LDS ladies, you're not going to understand what these ladies have experienced. I get that religions have requests & requirements, I get that if you're a member you should obey the leaders, but it is absolutely incorrect to think that women cannot try and change things for the better. If women (and men) stayed silent on issues that need to be address, nothing would ever improve. I hate to think of living in a religion or society where nothing ever improves. These ladies are completely right to be speaking out, and they deserve comfortable underwear. I highly doubt that their god cares what that underwear looks like, so it's pretty ridiculous and harsh to say they need to "put up or shut up". I sure hope no one ever tells you to shut up when you express an opinion. I mean, being that you're a man, I, as a woman, could tell you to shut up about this issue because your opinion is invalid, but I won't because I believe every person has the right to a voice. Rather than trying to silence these women who have been brave enough to speak out in a religion that values men over women and has no problem trying to keep women in "their place", why not applaud them for their efforts, support them for their courage, and hope that the changes they desire are implemented so that they can have a better quality of life?
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CCPursuits
No matter what religion is being addressed, the underlying factor is that people want to become part of a community of like-minded people who are there to be helpful to each other in some way. The common denominator is a belief in God. People stay within a church because of the relationships they have formed and the amount of support they get. Oftentimes it can be pure peer pressure that keeps them there. Regardless of the reason, people stay in a church because they are getting something from that connection. Who are we to judge that they should leave or commit to obey? We need to remember compassion for that need for unity and acceptance. Using words like "cult" mean nothing short of insulting to those members. That said, they all must have the freedom to complain and ask for changes. Members do not have to believe every stitch of doctrine, but they do hope to maintain their church relationships and stand in good favor. Nothing wrong with that. With God's help, we find our direction in life. Let the undergarment debate continue until everyone in that church is satisfied with the outcome - which is to have a free choice regarding personal hygiene choices. (Wow.)
If you wish to belong to a crazy brainwashed religion, don't complain about the crazy stuff your made to do for it. I am tired of people not seeing these beliefs for what they are, brainwashing.
More proof that there is no limit to human stupidity.
Exactly. The rules is the rules. If god wants them to wear strange stuff, who is anyone human to change it? Either that, or if it can be changed then a deity never made the rules in the first place. But with Mormonism, this is the least crazy thing about it.
If you wish to belong to a crazy brainwashed religion, Christianity, don't complain about the crazy stuff your made to do for it. I am tired of people not seeing these beliefs for what they are, brainwashing of Christians.
First off, I don't mind if you want to repeat my posts, but if you change my words, acknowledge your changes. I never mentioned one organized crazy over another, I made a general statement covering all organized brainwashing. Now, to the post that suggests this subject should be hidden...this is NOT midievil times. People have a right to communicate whatever they please. It shocks me to actually see someone that believes in suppressing thought. So, again I say this....if you wish to belong to an organized brainwashed club, don't complain about the rules. If the rules bother you, leave. You will be happier for it. Peace ☮️
I was a devote Mormon woman for 40 years and wore garments for 30 of them. Garments mean more than described here - they are full of meaning and are worn as a commitment and reminders of sacred vows taken in the temple.
The design HAS been altered in modern times to allow the wearing of shorts and short sleeve /cap sleeves, as well as designing them in 2 pieces, not one. Additionally, there are 4 or 5 variations of material and fabrics and designs, including open crotch and cotton crotch. If you can't find a style that works for you, I suspect you are just looking for an excuse not to wear them.
I am no longer a member and wish I still had access to garments. They were far more comfortable than any standard underwear I've tried in the last 20 years, protecting thigh skin from chafing - and chest from bra strangulation.
Wear them or don't. You have free will, but don't blame your church leaders for the choices you make.
First of all, this is not a matter to be shared in open forum, this is a very private issue with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, NOT Mormon, Mormon is the incorrect manner in which to call this church, As Christians and with the study of the Bible and of the Book of Mormon there is no brain washing. If you want to comment on other Religions, it's always good to know what your talking about, you wouldn't want to talk about Methodist's, Catholic's, or any other Sect. that studies and believes in God, But. For this issue, It is an issue best kept out of discussion, they are a sacred piece of clothing to be worn by member's with certain Endowment's. as to how or if they fit the individual should be taken care of by one's self and certainly not how they effect one's genitalia. Know your religion before you make "Judgement" on them, for Thou Shalt not Judge lest ye be Judged. I say this with much love.
Former Mormon here (yes, I said "Mormon", because up until the current prophet decided to take issue it was a perfectly acceptable name for members of TCOJCOLDS).
This matter should absolutely be shared in open forums because if it's only shared privately, women will not see any real change. Just like with the changes in general conference allowing women to pray, the changes in the temple ceremonies that took away a little bit of the misogyny, and any other changes that actually led to progress, real progress occures when members voice their opinions. Keeping things private is how the Mormon church keeps women submissive. Kudos to Sasha for speaking up and speaking out about something that is very important to her and so many other women in her church. When I was wearing garments, it would have been nice if I had felt like I could voice my concerns & complaints instead of feeling guilted into accepting the extreme discomfort just because "God says so". I know what it's like to be on my period while wearing garments, and I was one of those women who wore an extra pair of "normal" underwear because those blasted garments were definitely not made with women in mind. I hope Sasha's campaign leads to an overhaul of womens garments, because hell yes, vaginas need to breathe!
Side note: Mormons have no problem judging & bad-talking other religions or non-religious people, and it is entirely fair for other people to critique their beliefs whether they are Mormon or not. And by the way, adding the disclaimer of "I say this with much love" doesn't make you sound any less judgemental.
YES!!! Former Mormon here, too, and I wish I could hug you, you amazing woman! Your comment is right on!
Sending hugs vibes to wherever you are!