You’ve likely seen the heartbreaking reports of desperate Afghan men clinging to airplanes at the Kabul airport, hoping to escape Afghanistan as the country falls to Taliban rule.
And while that footage is all over the news, the plight of women and LGBT individuals – those at greatest personal risk if the country returns to Sharia law – doesn't get the same attention.
Women Face Oppression
The Taliban have retaken much of Afghanistan in recent days, sparking fears of Sharia law being instituted nationwide. Under such rules, life in Afghanistan would change drastically overnight for women. They’d no longer be able to attend school, would be required to remain covered up completely in public, and would not be allowed to leave their homes without a male escort.
Many Afghan women are worried that 20 years of incremental social justice gains will be undone in an instant.
Across the country, there are reports of shopkeepers and vendors preparing for such a change. The walls of beauty salons and clothing stores, which once depicted uncovered women, are quickly being painted over.
In some parts of the country, the change has already come. AP recently reported on a woman that was lashed for wearing “revealing sandals” in a northern Afghanistan province. Another was harassed and beaten by the Taliban while on her way to work.
Women will be faced with a choice: abide by the draconian policies governing every facet of their lives, or face the violent consequences. For some influential female leaders, the Taliban takeover could prove fatal.
Afghanistan’s youngest mayor, 27-year-old women’s rights activist Zarifa Ghafari, who has already survived several attempts on her life from the Taliban, fears she is next. “I’m sitting here waiting for them to come. There is no one to help me or my family. I’m just sitting with them and my husband. And they will come for people like me and kill me.”
A Death Penalty For Being Gay
The outlook is possibly even worse for gay Afghans. Last month, a Taliban judge confirmed that the death penalty will be re-implemented for homosexuals, stating that “there are only two penalties for gays: Either stoning or he has to stand behind a wall that falls on him. The wall must be 2.5 to 3 meters high.”
Exiled gay author Nemat Sadat says it’s likely the Taliban will institute a full-blown purge of homosexuals – but in secret.
He says they will likely not execute many homosexuals publicly, fearing public outcry, but will instead bait them online into meeting up and kill them in a secluded area. “It’s not hyperbolic to say that the Taliban will do what Nazis did to homosexuals,” Sadat predicts. “Weed them out and exterminate them from Afghan society.”
The Taliban, however, say they’re a more progressive organization than they were 20 years ago. “We are going to allow women to work and study. We have got frameworks, of course. Women are going to be very active in the society but within the framework of Islam,” said spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid. “There will be no discrimination against women.”
Most aren’t exactly buying this supposed change of heart. Many young Afghans believe a return to the past is inevitable, even if the Taliban claims otherwise.
What is your reaction? Could we see a more reformed version of Sharia law, or are women and LGBT people heading back to life in the dark ages?
48 comments
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RUTH
When have Americans gotten so naive? Of course the sharía law will be strictly enforced. This withdrawal is uncompassionate, was not planned and it is an affront to human rights and common sense!
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Jaime Hernandez
It was indeed planned. It was actually supposed to happen earlier this year. The withdrawal was negotiated by the Trump admin as part of their treaty with the Taliban, and then Stephen Miller moved to block the Visa process for Afghans that helped our troops.
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Chaplain Shawn
I highly doubt Trump had anything to do with the withdrawal. If so, the democrats hated his four years and spent time and money trying to impeach him. Biden would have undone Trump's plans like he did most of trump's executive orders.
Sorry folks. this is all the democrats doing and the result of open borders. All it does is quickly usher in the caliphate just like Afghanistan.
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Nancy Louise Havlovick
You are uninformed, President Trump in acted the order to remove troops last year. He said "once I order the troops removed and everything is in place to do so there is nothing Biden will be able to do to stop it.
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Brien
If you wish to belong to a cruel, brainwashed religion, then obey the rules. If you don't like the rules, lose the religion. That part of the world has been destroying itself for over a thousand years due to crazy beliefs. It is not up to us to bring in change, it is up to themselves.
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David Arthur Lewis
There was a time when religion ruled the entire known world. We call it "The Dark Ages".
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Dr. Samuel D Goldman, Ph.D. D.D.
Rabbi Samuel Goldman, Phd, DD.
This is a very difficult post for me to reply to, for many reasons. First of all my middle daughter and her beautiful wife are like all of my other children are the love of our life's. We do not see people as labels we see people as G-d presents them to us, as his children. I spent many years as a combat Marine serving in many operating areas around the world flying helicopters and other aircraft and the one thing I learned above all else is that all of us are the same, we all bled the same, we all need the same, except for those that purposely make the decision to take pleasure in hurting and causing pain in others. This is where we are and have been for the past 800 years with these terrorists.
We are not and have never been fighting a religion, there is no religion, this group believes that if you are not us you need to die. This is not G-d's promise, this is not G-d's hope of love and redemption for our efforts to do good for ourselves and towards others, especially when we are most tested.
We are fighting evil. We are fighting people with out concern for others, when you will treat the most defenseless among you with pain and fear, it shows that you fear the very people you are tormenting. This is the basis of their " Cult" Look at their "Book", I've read it, through out it, it's riddled with fear and repression.
G-d made Man and Women to walk side by side, to work and love together to create a world that he would be proud of, to produce children he would be proud of, not what were seeing now.
Sharia is not anyone's law, is fear, like Hitler's Germany, if you have to make people fear you in order to get them to follow you or your society, you've lost from the start, we're seeing it in this country.
I don't care what color, what belief system you have, whom you love, G-d loves you and see's you. It's not who you are, it's how you treat your self and others, it's not your words, it's your actions. Make your actions count.
Sam
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Brother David
I couldn't agree more. Well said, from your heart. Brother David
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Rev. Laurie G. Cleveland RN
I am trying this for the third time. I will start with a short history lesson for those. Of you who do not know the futility of attempting to occupy a fiercely independent country like Afghanistan. It is a collection of states overseen by war lords and the Amir or President has always had little power to control these people. First it was England during The Raj. They tried it twice (See The Far Pavillion by Jane Auel i believe). Then, the USSR or now Russia tried it.
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
As a SHP (Secular Humanist Pantheist) who’s also a ULC Bishop, with a DD, and doctoral degrees in metaphysics, Freethought, and Epistemology, I’d like what follows to be part of this discussion.
We SHP’ers, know that for a religion, to call itself a religion, it must adhere to what is called “The Golden Rule.” If your religion, doesn’t require you to follow the GR, then your religion is not a religion, and is more likely a fascist authoritarian-based cult of some MAGA-type personality.
Religions that hate gays, females, those who vote for Democrats, and those who rely on science instead of Faith healing— are religions in name only.
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flugo
'bilbery': You personify the inflated, self-important 'educated idiots' that are seen parading their pseudo- intelligence. on social media sites.
Your first paragraph so suitably demonstrates your efforts to overcome your feelings of inferiority: 'Bishop', 'DD' of this or that 'doctoral in something . . . . on and on it nauseatingly goes! WHO gives a rats?!
Exhibit your qualifications by the substance of your posting, not by the glitter and jangle of your self-centered diatribe!
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Anthony Upchurch
I was taken by the comments and concerns about religions or the bashing of Islamic teachings. First, religions have never served any good to and for anybody. There's not any religion that teaches that. Because RELIGION ain't RIGHTEOUSNESS. PEOPLE ARE SO EASILY FOOLED. First, The Christians believe a book that's only a History book of the so-called African Americans. And Islam which by the way promote Y'shua/ they call him Jesus today better than the Christian book. And one other thing if Islam was from Yahu/God he would've given Muhammad the correct name and it's lieing version.
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Laura McAllister
I am a mother of a gay woman, and I could tell you that my most fear is someone hurting my daughter, because of who she is. The talisman reminds me of Hitler. My prayers 🙏❤ for all of them.
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Daniel Gray
And when even one of them dies because of the White Houses actions, the White House should be held responsible, plain pure and simple. I mean all this is doing is creating even more people who will be upset with the US all because of one persons stupid actions. There is NO reason why Women should not be allowed to work or go to school or drive or vote. There is NO reason why homosexuals should not be allowed to live their lives as long as they dont try and do what the gay pride idiots do in Frisco. And anyone who tries to stop them should be the one charged and stoned or have a 9 foot wall fall on them.
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Jaime Hernandez
I agree. The Trump administration negotiated this withdrawal and then Stephen Miller moved to block and/or slow down Visas for Afghans that helped American soldiers. Their White House should absolutely be held responsible. Also, if you hate gays at Pride you must really hate straights at Halloween, and Spring Break, and Pride, and every music festival
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Daniel Gray
Sorry but no jamie as with your post its clear you dont know anything about what you are trying to post on. Yes Trump DID TRY and get a peace agreement with the taliban but the elections stopped that in its tracks and this can easily be proved by a simple search with the US Library of Congress. As it stands we have 10,000 Americans over there and Biden just stated that he is going to leave them on their own if they cant get to the airport by the end of this month. Now how can they get to the airport when the Taliban is shooting them or stopping them? Every other country is going out and getting their citizens, but Biden is refusing to do so.
And no sorry I dont hate homosexuals, but when you are having sex in the open in front of children, when you are trying to tell them that what you are doing is normal when it clearly isnt, when you are trying to tell them they can change sexes on a whim when thats impossible, then yes I have a major problem with that. As long as they keep what they do to themselves and dont demand I accept it as normal, then I have no problem with them living their lives. But when they start trying to tell me I HAVE to accept what they do no matter if I like it or not, then yes I have a MAJOR problem with that. I also dont like or accept men and women with their hands all over each others butts in a public place nor them groping each other in a public place. PARENTS are the ones who should be explaining this to their kids, not some stranger.
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Brother David
Daniel Gray- names say a lot. It can be the window of one's view or in day gone by, what was done for work. I noticed your view starts out mild but it doesn't take long for you to change your tone and become vial. And in theses days it reflects the bitterness and hate, not that of a tolerant society that the US has tried to portray to the rest of the world for many years. I understand that people are tired of politics as we see it today, no art of the past, negotiating a deal - compromising and looking out for those they represent and the rest of us, being able to walk out of a meeting and do it with respect. I will say that we did need to get out of there, many have tried to change that part of the world. But it is not sitting down with terrorist, ever. And trust "the deal" That Trump tried, no way. And the other work outs they did, and then remove the paperwork and forms, wrong. We the people already paid for that work, it belongs to us regardless of who did it. No question the timing was wrong. Your comments on homosexuals, don't lie to yourself, yes you do - dislike or may even hate them. Your comments of having sex in the open in front of children is the type of comments that prove that. Parents are the ones who should..... that's BS no they shouldn't and the groping shouldn't be by straight or gay. I went to visit some friends, married and with children, and they were watching something and shut it off. When we commented on something from the days news we put the tv on and the dvd was still running, How would you like to have the kids turn on the tv and see a woman and man walking the horse to the barn but inside the barn strange things are going on, and it's not a square dance. We need to look at those that are making the rules and set better standards. We are a nation that is for the people and by the people, everyone, all. And those that serve us in congress, should be accountable to "we the people". Brother David
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Daniel Gray
Oh so you dont like it when reality and fact destroy your world view on things? Ok I get it.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Mr. Gray, You wouldn’t know a fact if one slapped you across the face with a Bible. Your idea of reality is a superficial, black and white, two dimensional, caricature of what it actually is. Just by existing LTBTQ+ folk aren’t having sex in public. That’s you being a disgusting idiotic pervert projecting and gaslighting people, all because it’s you who can’t handle reality outside the social narrative that you were brainwashed into. Your cultish world view has been pushed onto others at sword point, and later gun point for a very long time now. The irony is that realistically you’re no different than any Taliban member. The only thing separating the two you of is language, and a body count. Islam and Christianity are the same religion taught from different perspectives. That’s it. Sincerely, R.
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Daniel Gray
Seems funny that you have not been able to refute anything I have said, and yet you want to say I dont know a fact? Seems like you got it reversed and its clearly YOU who does not know facts or have anything to back you up with.
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Chaplain Shawn
If Trump planned this, then why is Biden and Democrats standing behind Trump's plan? I remember Pelosi and the Democratic Keystone Cops trying to impeach Trump. Trump is out. You cannot blame him for open borders. Here, is a great example of open borders...Afghanistan!
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Nancy Louise Havlovick
Trump did plan this and set it in place and in motion, part of written history now.
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Angel
Biden could have sent the tropps back...he did not...There's a reason for that. My guess is that they wanted the Taliban to take over and then wait for ISIS to take over. Kind of like allowing the cat to eat the mouse and letting the dog loose to take care of the cat, and then letting several dogs loose to take care of the one dog with the justification of politics attached to it. You gotta think BIG..NWO big. Using enemeies to destroy each other. ISIS destroys the Taliban, ISIS takes over, UN sends in the big guns...unless they already have an agrrement in place with ISIS, UN takes over and owns the oil. Money is power. . The end is here...
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Stephen D. Atchley
The UN has no guns. It's member nations have guns with the United States being the primary provider of the guns, military personnel, and materiel. There are no significant oil reserves in Afghanistan. There are reportedly huge amounts of unmined rare earth metals. This is the bargaining chip held by the Taliban. But, they can only benefit from it if they can assure mining companies that their operations will be safe from Terrorists. Mainly ISIS terrorists.
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Bryan Bauman
Our government, media and doctors has been training Americans to wear face coverings for over a year. How many times have you spoken out about having to do this for something with a 99.002 survival rate which is better than the common flu?
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Tom
In the 2019-2020 influenza season, there was an estimated 38,194,505 symptomatic cases of influenza and 21,909 deaths in the United States. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html That's approximately a 0.057% rate of death from influenza.
Currently the US has reported 38,320,446 cases of Covid-19 and 633,049 deaths per Johns Hopkins University. https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 That's approximately a 1.65% rate of death from Covid-19.
Covid-19 is significantly more deadly than influenza and it's not even close. Protect yourself; protect your neighbors; wear a mask to limit transmission (because you can have no symptoms but still be infected and still pass it to others); get vaccinated so if you do get Covid-19 you will have a much, much smaller chance of being hospitalized and/or dying.
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Ann
Hospitals admitted to being paid to put covid as cause of death when it wasn't.
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Rev. Laurie G. Cleveland RN
First a history lesson on Afghanistan. After we bombed the hell out of it looking for a man supposedly responsible for 911, which was in reality the continuation of an endless war in the Middle East. Several nations already tried what the USA did. England tried it twice with the same terrible loss of life. At that time, if the English buried their dead, the Afghans would dig them up and scatter the bones. The Khyber Pass is still littered with them. After a relatively long period of time Russia, then the USSR tried it and they played dirty, putting explosive devices in kid's toys per National Geographic. Then enter the USA who bombed the crap out of a country that supposedly hiding bin Laden who was supposedly responsible for 911. In reality, it was just a continuation of the endless war in the Middle East. Afghanistan has an Amir or President, usually put in place by the conquering army. We were to train his soldiers to keep the peace in thst war torn country, but the problem is it has always been fiercely independent and is a collection of states under the rule of war lords. The idea was a good one because the country was 500 years and was in a different time altogether. The Taliban is a Sharia Law based group and they have no regards for women's rights or children's and traditionally as well have considered young boys far game for serial pleasure which is the exact opposite of their stance on gays. Under US rule, women have been able to become more westernized, hold jobs and get educations. There was a recent article by The Blaze that interviewed a poor woman who worked for the local police station and was set upon by these terrible people. They stabbed her 7 times, cut out her eyes and left her for dead. She was pregnant. Her husband managed to smuggle her out of the country and she said that normally they use the women that they kill as dog meat. Guys have a choice of the method that will kill them, barbaric and cruel. Indeed, every woman who holds a position of power, including doctors, which by Sharia Law are the only ones that can see a woman in extremis. It gets far worse. During this time, many converted to Christianity. That is apostasy and punishable by death. Women who had Bibles on their cell phones were killed on the spot. It went from them being able to wear more western attire back to burka and they couldn't go out without a man in attendance. Girls have sex organs removed or cut so that they will not have pleasure during sex, only pain. We have been there for 20 years before the inevitable happened. A US President finally listened to the American people to withdraw. But Biden did it backwards. He should have removed all of the ancillary, Pro-American and Christians along with gays and other targeted individuals and got them and the Christians trapped in Iran at the same time. I would have also gone so far as to remove and or destroy all equipment of war that could be used against the US troops. So more troops have been sent. The question is will it be a humanitarian response or will we once again attempt to control that which cannot be controlled? Sharia Law is terrible. Anybody can turn in a wife or other family member to these beasts. They have no regard for anybody that doesn't believe as they do. It is Islam on steroids. You cannot reason with them. ) We don't need the poppies. They have been grown successfully in this country for the floral industry. The government came in and destroyed all of the flower fields used in this industry and the price of fresh flowers has skyrocketed. As far as rare gems go, they always turn up to be cut and sold by the markets in India. You get what you pay for. It's time to leave that horrendous country. But for God's sake, get these people out as a humanitarian effort. Send them to a nearby mitary base out of harm's way and divvy up the people with different UN countries. It's simple. These people mean business and that dog does bite. Women are only baby makers. That's it. They are lower than dirt. If men could do without them, they would. I sincerely ask both God and the Goddess to help these children escape a terrible fate. Amen.
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Lionheart
The question at the end of the article asks “Are we heading back to the dark ages”, but in reality we have been heading back to the dark ages ever since women have not accepted their equality with men by attending patriarchally led churches and cow-towing to them, and “obeying” their husbands, all because a mythical brutal misogynistic god wants them to.
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Richard Lee Cornell
AS of Sept 1, 2021 with the Taliban in full control of the country those who do not bow toward Mecca will die. Those who think for themselves will die. The Taliban reminds on of the Catholic Church or the Christian Right in America telling women they will bow down or die.
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Chaplain Shawn
It could also remind you of the Crusades where Christianity stood against Islam because they knew that Islam would be extremely oppressive. However, I do not hear you praising King Richard the Lionheart for taking a stand in Jerusalem. I also recall from history that nonbelievers were not there either. There were no atheists, Secular Humanists, pagans, Wiccans, pantheists, or any other group of people like Free thinkers. It was Christian v Muslim. How appropriate, especially when people like you blame a God you never chose or choose not to know. God becomes a convenient source of blame for the ignorant, and ignorance is not bliss.
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Laura McAllister
Sorry I meant Taliban.
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Rev Mark D
So the Taliban and Sharia law will do this and do that. Golly, who knew?
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Charles Richard Bezio
We are looking at a huge humanitarian crisis like we have not seen in modern times. I pray for all those who are suffering and will suffer now that we are leaving.
One month after we wiped the map of all the terrorist camps I wanted our soldiers home. It is a national disgrace we were the for 20 years. The outcome continues the national disgrace.
I am mad as hell that the Afghanistan 🇦🇫 people have not stepped up. The Afghanistan 🇦🇫 military and government are responsible not the USA 🇺🇸
Sadly this is how it was always going to end. I want to look 👀 to the future not the past. Let’s hope the outcome will not be as being predicted. This is Afghanistan 🇦🇫 and the people have a right to self rule.
Let’s all pray for the safe return of all Americans citizens.
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Robert Edward Szekely
You clearly have no understanding of how global politics work. How delusional. "The people have a right to self-rule?" So did the Nazis and the Fascists, by your logic.
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Nancy Louise Havlovick
The Afghans did fight. The US lost under 3000 military. The Afghan lost just under 100,000
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flugo
Well, as I see it, the homosexuals in the Middle East have a choice; Discontinue their filthy, abominable, immoral lifestyle, or be subject to a swift merciless death.
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Gerardo Salazar
Are you for real? I mean, do you seriously believe the words you have written or are you just being sarcastic?
I lived for many years in the Middle East and although homosexuality is officially forbidden never I heard of anybody being punished on account of their sexual preferences as long as people are discreet so it is not a question of religion but one of fanaticism and this can occur in any country or religion as long as there are closed minded individuals afraid of freedom and of those who do not think like they do.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
You really are a dyed in the wool member of the talibangelicals of the U.S. christian nationalists faction eh.
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Chaplain Shawn
Greetings All,
I posted a couple of replies because the withdrawal of troops is on Biden's hands. Some blame Trump, but remember the democrats did not support Trump at all, and tried to impeach him. So, ask yourselves, if Trump planned this, why did the precious democrats support this? They sure as heck did not support Trump on anything else. Here, is why borders need to be secured not open. Ask the US Border Patrol who supported Trump because the democrats want the cartels to cross our borders. Oh wait! The drugs enter across our borders? Hmmm, maybe the US Government is profiting from that??
Awful things are, and will continue to happen in Afghanistan. Islam is a monotheistic theocracy. America is a plutocracy because it has always been governed by the rich, for the rich, and of the rich. The rich will view Afghanistan as "entertainment" in their morally reprehensible lives. Islam is the only form of theism with a code of enforced law, Shariah. To be brief, the biblical law was offered to Israel by their God. Israel was free to abide by it, or not abide by it. The law offered to Israel contained a way of life that was pleasing to God, but Israel broke every covenant made with their God. As the biblical narrative continues, the Old Covenant was replaced with the New Covenant. Salvation comes through Christ, and the law is still the lifestyle pleasing to God.
Islam overlaps with the Old Testament. If a man lies with another man, then they both shall be put to death. At this point, all we can do is pray for Afghanistan because Biden arbitrarily decided to end the "War on Terror." The Taliban justifies the death of their victims from Old testament Law. Furthermore, 90% or so of all Muslims are Sunnis and 10% or so are Shias. If the Taliban implements the caliphate in Afghanistan, then not only will LGBTQ and women fear for their lives Shias will also fear for their lives because the lot of the three are considered infidels. In addition, atheists, Secular Humanists, Pantheists, Polytheists, Wiccan, Pagans, and Christians are all considered infidels. Sunnis use the strong verses in the Quran. Shias use the moderate verses which were abrogated by Abu Bakr, I think. Sunnis view the moderate verses as blasphemy, which is why those abiding by the moderate verses will be put to death.
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Richard Lee Cornell
It is going to be a blood bath for the unfaithful. All in the name of a God who has sent the COVID-19 to clean out everyone. Kill them all and God will decide who shall enter Heaven or not. So far everyone born in the last 1,000 years have yet to pass from earth to Heaven.
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Chaplain Shawn
If you know the biblical narrative at all, it is the fallen ones wreaking havoc on humans. The Nephilim / fallen ones from an angelic perspective spread disease, pestilence, and all other sorts of moral and natural evils like storms, destructive forces, corrupt persons in positions of authority, war lords, drug lords, fraudsters who operate through corruption like bribes and kickbacks, collude, conspire, misappropriate assets, fraudulently report on financial statements, kill women, pregnant women, children, and men. If you know human history, look at all the tyrants, murderers, perverts, false teachers acting as Christ, claiming to be Christ, and the crimes the DoD, CIA, federal government, and NSA perpetrated on the general population. Who was behind the killing, torture, poisoning, death, and disease releases like the Wuhan virus? Was that human beings making a free will choice, or a god controlling human beings to perpetrate all that evil? Not sure about you, but my money is on evil human beings perpetrating all that evil for kicks, laughs, and pride.
Sorry, Sir Richard; but this private wholeheartedly disagrees. It is time we put the blame and assign the blame where it belongs...on humanity. We are the cockroaches that deserve to be stomped on and wiped out because of our totally depraved and despicable acts of evil, and immorality. Sorry for the rant but it is, was, and always will be acts of humans perpetrating evil not a god your worldview refuses to believe in. Admit your mistakes humanity, confess your evils, and move on with our without a god!
Peace Out,
Ordained Minister Shawn, MA Christian Apologetics, and MS Forensic Accounting
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Nancy Louise Havlovick
Its part of public record Trump started the removal of troops. Just saying.
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Larry Midleton
What do those who practice sodomy expect that there rebellion against the will and word of God shall be promoted or encouraged?there blasphemy is not only shunned by islam.it is also blasphemously in Christianity.they should repent there sin and be forgiven in Jesus name.
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Nancy Louise Havlovick
People on here have so few facts. I mean like no real facts at all about what's been happening with Afghanistan in the past 50 years. Just recent history that can easily be studied. And the hate about gays, wow. Its over the top. This is supposed to be a safe place to discuss. Its really showed me there are mean people on sites that should be more educated, open minded like Christ and loving.
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Nancy Louise Havlovick
We are all children of the same universe. Remember?
My heart goes out for the less fortunate in Afghanistan. Whether women, children, gay or not. I pray that they will not be harmed in any way. Everyone has the right to live a happy and safe life!
I think you are very good hearted and kind