A Georgia lawmaker brought male members to attention this week after proposing a law that would ban vasectomies, make sex without a condom akin to "aggravated assault" and require all men to seek their partner's permission before using Viagra and other E.D. drugs.
The so-called "testicular bill of rights" would also require paternity DNA testing at the sixth week of pregnancy and immediate child support payments if positive - with a mandatory 24-hour waiting period for any man in the market for porn or sex toys thrown in for good measure.
Regulation for Me, But Not for Thee
Rep. Dar'shun Kendrick crafted the proposal in response to Georgia's House of Representatives passing HB 481, a "heartbeat bill" that would ban abortions after the sixth week of pregnancy. As the bill advances to the Republican-controlled State Senate, Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp has characterized it as a "powerful moment" to "give all Georgians including the unborn a good chance to live, grow and prosper."
But Kendrick doesn't see it that way. "If the state of Georgia is going to be concerned with regulating women's reproductive rights, I think it's only fitting that we also do that for men's reproductive rights," she explained during a radio interview on Georgia Public Broadcasting. While she admits the bill is mostly tongue-in-cheek, it does represent a real frustration. "This really is to draw attention to what I think is an absurdity," she said.
Advocates Face Off
Women in Georgia can currently receive abortions up to 20 weeks into a pregnancy, and pro-choice groups believe that HB 481 would only subject a greater number of women to unsafe versions of the procedure. She maintains her end goal is to reduce the total number of abortions just not at the expense of women's safety.
Heartbeat bill sponsor Rep. Ed Setzler has called abortion a "barbaric procedure" and insisted women who became pregnant could still take a "morning after" pill or carry the pregnancy to term and then put the baby up for adoption. The bill would also make exceptions in cases of rape or incest, following an official police report proving either.
Fight Goes On
While a similar bill also cleared Tennessee's house this week, other states have not gone so far. Ohio governor John Kasich vetoed a provision banning abortions once a fetal heartbeat has been detected, while a federal judge struck down a similar bill in Iowa.
Kendrick believes Georgia's bill is "definitely unconstitutional," and meant as little more than a "test case" for conservative lawmakers looking to challenge the Supreme Court and ultimately overturn Roe v. Wade, which made abortion legal across the country nearly half a century ago.
The "testicular bill of rights' has no chance of passing, but that's not really the point. Supporters say the overarching goal is to shed light on the double standard women face when it comes to the government regulating sexuality.
Although the proposal has elicited more than a few chuckles, whether it will truly move the needle on this issue is yet to be seen. What is your reaction?
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Rev. Rene
Yes, but it is also in most advanced "civilization's" constitutions written that there is a basic personal freedom, including freedom from intrusion on our personal "behind closed doors" behavior!!! There is a great deal of noise, especially from "Sunday Christians", against the practices of Sharia Law. I agree this is a 7th century law that definitely does not fit in a 21st century society! But...by the same token please also understand the moral stands of the 19th century do not need to prescribe the laws of the 21st century. And yes, the Bible also apparently does not allow for these changes, but it also was decided in the 5th century by a council under Constantine the great. To sum all this up: get real! Any woman with money can get an abortion, or the morning after pill, elsewhere in most countries. It is only the lower economic classes who get stung by there ridiculous laws! Suppression of the working poor by a small but vocal minority is wrong by any standard!
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Ann Wood
Love it; however it does not go far enough. Any man having an erection in a public place should be subject to arrest and a jail sentence. Any man commenting publicly on the subject of abortion should give up one testicle in order to qualify him to have any opinion at all on a matter with which he has no personal experience: childbirth.
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Dr.Rev. Annie
Love it! It is all about men trying to have power over women's bodies but not letting women have power over their bodies. This is nonsense of course, but it is the same nonsense that men have directed at women by trying to tell them what to do with their bodies! It has nothing to do with religion - it is about personal freedom.
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Woke
A baby in your body is not your body. It's a separate human being. Have you ever carried a baby in your body? I have. Ending her life would have been murder. Does anyone notice that the height of liberal feminism is the right to murder your own child? For shame! You have the right to choose whether or not to engage in procreative behavior. That is your choice, your body. All this ridiculous nonsense about men trying to have power over women's bodies. Please wake up and recognize the awesome responsibility we women have, and stop hiding shamefully behind trite mottos.
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Sandra Lent
That's a pretty ludicrous statement.
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Dr.Rev. Annie
No, it is actually a wonderfully funny statement. Gave me a wonderful laugh.
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Thomas Todd Emerson
Well, if you want such a thing to happen you do that and see how it goes. Not every man who has an erection is doing it on purpose. So should we arrest ever woman who has a period. It makes no sense to send a man to jail because he can't control his body, and no it is not the same as someone controlling a woman's body as no one else factors into a man's erection. Every one has the right of opinion especially people who actually study and know the subject. Why do you want such violence can't we just talk about this peacefully and without hurting each other or must we destroy each other so that we can win. Winning isn't beating the other side into submission, it's about getting them to agree with you on just one part of the subject. I doubt you will ever change your mind on this but I hope that you will look at the other side and find something that you can agree with.
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Lionheart
Religion sure is funny isn’t it? This reminds me of Genesis 38:8 when God killed Onan for pulling out and ejaculating on the floor instead of impregnating his brothers wife. You’d have thought god could have done that....right? After all, he did it to Mary. Weird isn’t it?
Do they they teach this in Sunday School? I don’t remember hearing about that when I was a child. I bet there are even adults who still don’t know.
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Carl Elfstrom
And what about the mandrake they they talked about using in Genesis. That's a strong hallucinogen. They didn't teach us about that in school. They expected us to find out about hallucinogens all by ourselves. I bet that accounted for many of the so-called religious experiences that a lot of those Schizos called prophets had, that they put in the Bible, which were no less significant than the ones we've had on LSD.
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Carl Elfstrom
It's impossible for young men to not get erections in public, or anyplace else. And once they're up, they're up. No matter what we think about, they won't go back down for fifteen minutes, or more. Between seventeen and twenty one years old I worked as a gate attendant at a beach park. How embarrassed do you think I felt whenever a family in a car pulled up, Ann Wood, and I had to wait on them after staring at beautiful women in bikinis, in my short shorts. Get real, lady. We aren't trying to terrorize women. It just means young men have an overabundance of testosterone. Now, at 56, I take testosterone enhancers, and can't produce the same results, but wish I could. I'd gladly go back to work on the beach, just for the attention, no matter how appalling the stares at such a dirty, old, man might be.
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Dan Atatakai
I love this approach to show the ridiculousness of what some people are doing.
Why not take it one step further by making it a criminal offense for male ejaculation, because that is killing the possibility of millions of other "babies" each time.
The abortion argument is still making a lot of noise, mostly by people who do not understand the concept which made it legal in the first place. This includes the concept that a fetus is not a sentient being, a.k.a. baby, but a potential to become a sentient being. To claim it is murder to perform an abortion on the first trimester development of a fetus is ludicrous because the fetus can NOT be viable in that period of time.
If people are so upset that abortions are legal, how about writing a bill, submit it to your local congressman to be submitted to congress, explaining in the bill why you believe it is murder and not the eradication of a non-sentient mass of developing cells. While you are at it, you might as well add in the concept of making any woman who has a miscarriage a murderer as well.
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chiefhall
I attended a debate in Kansas many years ago between two white males - one "right to lifer" leader and one pro-choice male. The r2l leader was going on and on about abortion being "murder". The pcm then made the notation that if abortion was murder, then God must be the greatest mass murderer ever (citing miscarriages). Individuals in the audience immediately began screaming "blasphemy!", naturally, but I thought he actually made a pretty good point.... The r2l leader never got around to explaining why if abortion was the murder of a living human, (and a miscarriage must therefore be the death of a living human, depending on how late it occurs), then why aren't all the r2l's having funerals every time a woman miscarries? (Please note: I am in NO way trivializing the emotional pain a woman can experience as a result of a miscarriage - not at all. I'm just trying to point out the convenient hypocrisy of those who are all about "protecting the rights of the unborn", but don't have any problem with cutting funding to feed them once they're here.)
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Jim
I think part of it is a great idea. However the part about child support should be taken out of the bill. Last I checked the male partner had no say so in the abortion process so he should not have to pay child support if she keeps the baby. I guess in a perfect world we would not even be having this discussion. With the advancements in birth control for a women to get pregnant is just down right ridiculous. If taking birth control pills along with a condom you are looking at about a 99% success rate. While someone could get pregnant if using BC it is less than 1 in 100. Abortion for a victim of rape or incest should not even be a question. That person had no say so in what happened and cannot be held accountable for the actions of another. But when two people get together and decide to have sex then accept the responsibility for your actions if you are not going to take precautions then accept the consequences.
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Dr.Rev. Annie
Once again, the point is missed. The point about the child support is the lack of choice. If a woman has her right to choose taken away from her, then so should the man. If the law says she can't get an abortion, then she shouldn't be the only one facing the responsibilities of the child... the man should have to pay child support from conception because the law is forcing her to carry the child. It's all about the fact that choice is being taken away from the woman, so it should be taken away from the man too.
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James
Aborting a life form (no matter who is capable of carrying) is different. A vasectomy is similar to a tubal ligation. If a man could carry for 9 months and abort it is not comparable. The point is kinda seen about regulation and whos body it may be. But, lets compare apples to apples to make the point..
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Dr.Rev. Annie
An embryo is not a 'viable' life form without the mother. So the mother should have the choice what to do about it. Until the fetus is viable without the mother, then it really isn't a separate life form. I am not for abortion, but I am for the woman's right to make that choice.
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John Owens
To say it is not "viable" apart from the mother depends very much upon the stage of development of which one is speaking. Many have survived and grown to adulthood who were taken prematurely from the womb, but abortion doctrine teaches to kill those who are still alive after abortion.
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James
Lets look at the rape... 4 or 5 weeks later discover pregnancy / missed cycle. Abort it ? Wrong or right / good or bad. a 5 week abort is gonna happen in some choices. But (Women in Georgia can currently receive abortions up to 20 weeks into a pregnancy). 20 weeks (5 months)?????????????? to make the call on a rape about? Morning after pill fail? Major defect detected at 20 weeks? Quality of life choices.. Again, a personal call for the woman or babys long term prognoses. We get into couples who live a life style of 12 th hr choices as the norm. The real issue (in an over-all) is poor choices made by both parties & the law seems to pick up the slack to compensate for stupidity in many cases. Watch the movie "idocracy".
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John A Anderson, CD, CIF Mons ON
As a father, there's something that people should be aware of. Doctors count the weeks of pregnancy from the START of the LAST menstruation. Therefore, this 5 week thing means that the woman has ONE week to get the abortion (4 weeks before the missed period). So, at 20 weeks, the woman has ACTUALLY been pregnant for about 17 weeks, as it takes several days for the fertilized egg to travel down the Fallopian tubes and implant into the uterus.
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Chris
Honestly, I love this. She makes a great point and I love that she's bringing the double standard to the forefront.
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Glenallen Chartrand
If your not married then you should not have chilldren that is the problem in the world today
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Lionheart
That's a very interesting thought isn't it? However, mankind has not always instituted marriage as a requirement to have children. In fact, looking at the Bible, I wonder if those that had incestuous relationships, Adam & Eve's family, Noah's family, et al, entered into a marriage contract first before embarking on having incestuous children? Perhaps the only requirement was that they loved one another.
I notice you didn't expound on what the problem is by having children out of wedlock, so perhaps you could elaborate to educate us on what those problems are, and how different any problems would be by having children within a wedded family.
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Dr.Rev. Annie
No, the problem with the world today is people who think their standards and norms should be the law for everyone else. Otherwise we end up with society like The Handmaid's Tale, with men forcing women to serve as their incubators because their wives are sterile. What utter garbage thinking that marriage is the answer to everything.
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Theda Bara
Women have been the target in the life creation debate while men still have no accountability despite the fact that women cannot do this job on their own! All parties involved in life creation should be held to account from day one. Not a feminist attitude, just fairness.
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Fred
Abortion should not be used as birth control the child is alive. It was said not viable without mothers body this is true but a new born can not survive without care. Does this mean you can just walk away from it and allow nature to take it's course. As far as vacetamey, that kills no one and prevents abortions. No one is attempting to ban a women from having her tubes tied which also prevents abortion, and it is her body.
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Timm
Why can't everyone worry about their own business and keep their noses out of everyone else's. That's what's actually wrong with the world today. A wpman you dont know having an abortion affects your life in no way at all. And if she was wrong for doing it then she will answer for it in the end.
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Carl Elfstrom
Y To err is human.
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Dr.Rev. Annie
There is a difference between 'non-viable' and needing care. The non-viable fetus cannot be taken care of by anyone outside the mother's body whereas a newborn can be cared for by anyone. The fetus is a group of undifferentiated cells without life apart from the host body. Control your own body and leave women alone to make their own choices.
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Woke
A fetus is most definitely not a group of undifferentiated cells. My guess is you have never been pregnant based on your gross ignorance on the development of a fetus. The cells begin to differentiate by the time they implant in the uterus. By the time hormones in the mother's urine can make a pregnancy test turn positive, the cells that will form the heart are already beating. The cells that will form the spinal cord and brain are amassing in formation. Granted it is a life that is dependent on the mother, but it is absolutely a life of its own. What is the problem with taking responsibility for the choices you make? No one old enough to make the choice to have sex is unaware that that's where babies come from. If you make a mistake, take the morning after pill which prevents the life from developing.
And the ludicrous and specious comments about miscarriage. The body has the wisdom to know if a life is viable. Miscarriage and chosen abortion are worlds apart.
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Jennifer Lofton
This article was about the control of women’s person. I agree with losing the double standard, don’t you ? The evolution of humanities brain/thinking is going to take time and patience. Manipulation , control/power stems from greed as just one example of ego , defiance over another, part of human nature. Support those attempting to think outside of the box regarding a women’s person.
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Minister Jim
Late term abortion is murder! Once there is a heart beat there is a life. Why should a woman’s choice to choose ever be more important than the baby’s choice to live?
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Dr.Rev. Annie
The baby doesn't have a choice - it isn't a separate being. Late term abortion isn't a thing - it is a scare tactic by the right to take control of women's bodies. If you want real information then follow Dr Jennifer Gunter @DrJenGunter on Twitter. She is an OB-GYN who specializes in the topic of abortion. And it isn't a heartbeat, it is “fetal pole cardiac activity”. Here is the article you should read: https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2016/12/11/dear-press-stop-calling-them-heartbeat-bills-and-call-them-fetal-pole-cardiac-activity-bills/
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Woke
Once again, your comments belie your ignorance. Late term abortion most definitely is a thing. A simple search on the internet or youtube will provide all the sickening evidence you need.
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Dr.Rev. Annie
And your comments demonstrate your inability to research and look for facts as opposed to being wound up by emotional and ignorant people with an agenda. Dr.Jen Gunter is an expert. You are not.
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Kirk
Wow! A lot of nuts like this “legislation”! Even the nut that wrote it as a joke knows it’s a joke. A guy busting a nut is not the same as killing an unborn baby. Sheesh!
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John Owens
For real. If it were, I'd be a mass murderer!
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Bill Fox
Having endured Governor Lester Maddox, we will endure this woman. She will continue the battle cry of Planned Parenthood, "36,000,000 black babies aborted since 1973 and still counting!" I'm sure she is aware of this as she supports rules to have few laws governing abortion on demand.
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Jedi Hatter
There is a lot of talk about men not having a say because it is not their bodies. Fine but if that is the case then men should not be forced to pay for that choice via child support. If men have no say in the the process because it is not their body then you do not get to claim after the fact that they should pay to support the choice you made. So child support for mothers needs to end outside of that granted once you can prove that the man was helping raise the child for a period of one year or more. Because then you at least can make the case that the choice to have the baby was made with the understanding of help. But if you cant prove that via a court of law you should get nothing. Because fine your body your choice but you should not demand others pay for it after the fact if you do not want to give anyone say before the fact.
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Dr.Rev. Annie
If a man doesn't want to pay child support, then he should keep his penis out of a woman. Simple.
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Woke
If a woman doesn't want a baby, she should keep penises out of her vagina. So simple!?
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Carl Elfstrom
What about self - impregnating hermaphrodites ? Sounds as good as auto - felatio, doesn't it ?
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Deborah Latter
If you are of the 'copulation is for procreation' believers and acts of onanism are biblically wrong, then vasectomies are wrong as are acts of masturbation, including those involving porn. If one is going to use biblical references to control the female side of procreation, then it's only right that the same arguments would be used on the male side of procreation.
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John Owens
Absolutely. Are you okay with that?
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Carl Elfstrom
What do y'all think about a pornographic, biblical comic book ?
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John roscich
Women can control their bodies by crossing their legs. Also they can decide what to do with their bodies within 90 days of conception. After that it is another living body that has a right to life and it is not only the women’s body at issue. After the child is born it is clearly murder and not about a women’s body.
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Dr.Rev. Annie
And men can control their bodies by crossing their legs and keeping their penises away from women. And they should never be allowed to ejaculate, masturbation is the killing of potential babies. Sure buddy... It is only the woman's body at issue, the undifferentiated cells don't get a vote, nor do the sperm donors who don't have to go through the pregnancy.
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A druid
If this bill is to be fair it should contain a rider that would require a woman to get, in writing, a signed affidavit of consent to paying child support by the male involved. Witnessed and notarized this would alleviate the unintended pregnancy problem. Just a simple solution.
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Robert Messmer
Her proposal would be fine if it was actually equal to what she is complaining about but it is not. The state is not trying to pass a bill requiring or denying women the 'right' to have their tubes tied, the bill the state is considering is to keep babies with heartbeats from being killed. Vasectomies really are birth control since it is prior to having sex. Abortion is not birth control since it is after having unprotected sex.
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Dr.Rev. Annie
Fetuses don't have heartbeats, they have fetal pole activity. They aren't separate individuals until they are viable. A woman's body is hers and no man has the right to control it unless they want their bodies controlled as well.
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Woke
People who want to excuse monstrous behavior always come up with terminology that makes it sound more acceptable. "Fetal pole activity" shows that is a life, separate from the mother.
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Timm
Yes the do. Like "gods will". Terminology that makes things sound more acceptable even though it isn't.
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Lionheart
Totally agree! It was gods "will" to kill all those first born because he was angry at Pharaoh, and that wasn't immediately after birth, I'm sure many were older, and I'm sure some were women just giving birth. What a shock that would have been for the postpartum mothers? So, could the moral of the story be that abortion is okay, if god did it? Or, did he only approve of killing male children?
Don't you just hate the "Will of God" thing, or "He works in mysterious ways"? These are all cop-out statements Christians have no other option to use, when they have no rational explanation for their gods decisions.
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Alexander Joseph Gillies
This is absurd. More women complaining about the terrible, evil men. Emiline Pankhurst would be ashamed. Would there be this reaction I'd a woman had written the Bill? Do women need more rights or are they already spoilt little princesses that believe that they should be more equal and that nothing bad should ever befall them? Both bills are as crazy as each other! A lot of women don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks. But at the same time he is trying to make the world better in his own way. What do you think the reaction would be if he'd tried to change it to 30 weeks? This is just click bait for women's rites nut jobs.
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Carl Elfstrom
I bet they could call an abortion a Christian act if they did it with a crucifix, in the name of Jesus. All things done in his name.
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Carl Elfstrom
Personally, I'm not for or against abortions, and don't care anything about that subject. However, I only have three apps on my android phone, and that's all I want. This one, Amazon, and despite my mostly Republican political beliefs, CNN. So, maybe I think Anderson Cooper has a pretty smile.[ He ought to, considering who his mother is. ] I especially love Amazon Prime Pantry, but only get paid once a month, and can only make so many revisions to my saved for later grocery list. There's really not much else I have to do on most days. I try to wait for only the good articles to minister to y'all on, but they never give us very many of them, and the waiting becomes very frustrating. Besides that, I'm a social animal, and love to write. So, there !
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We must take responsibility for all life ,especially the one we create.It is written: Thou shall not kill.
Gallet - The difficulty is that it is not murder, if you are talking abortion. The removal of a fetus or zygote is not the murder of a sentient being by law. Potential life is much like energy. Potential energy is not energy per se but kinetic is.
Rubbish. I live by what the Bible teaches me. Regardless of what the law says. As soon as fertilization successfully occurs there is life in my belief. Terminating that life in my belief is an abomination. Exceptions being few, such as mother at risk or rape. I disagree with stopping vasectomy but do agree that sex without a condom unless agreed to by the woman is an assault. Why wouldn't it be?
Its a really good thing that we live in a country where we don't have to follow your beliefs. And the bible should be kept out of our laws since not everyone follows it. That is also the good things about freedom of and from religion and separation of church and state.
Amen. I have utmost tolerance for the beliefs of another person, as long as they don't try to force them on me. I have my own faith and beliefs and don't need yours.
Key word you said Pastor Dave was " occurs there is life in my belief " We need to address the issues with those who face the decision in their life and let them make that we can only give advice as we are teaching and counseling them. At the end of the day God will have the last word. Our work as servants of God is to pray for the right decision in accord to the teaching of the Good News. Pastor Luis
Double rubbish.I live by the law, regardless of what one person's scripture says. That's why the law is so important. Forcing a woman to do something with her body that she doesn't want is just another form of rape - that is my belief and to do that to a woman is an abomination. Don't force your personal religious beliefs on me or on any woman.
"Double bubble , toil and trouble." I believe in Shakespeare, and think he put it a lot better than King James." Out out damn spot".
"Forcing a woman to do something with her body that she doesn't want" - if she wanted to engage in procreative behavior, she has to take responsibility for her actions. The problems faced by this country are a direct result of people not wanting to take responsibility for the choices they've made. You don't want a baby? Don't do the thing that makes babies! Women have the honor and responsibility of bringing new life into this world. My body my choice - your choice was made when you had sex. The baby is not your body. Abortion is murder. This opinion comes from a reformed liberal pro-choice feminist. Boy, was I brainwashed!
Pastor Dave, The Bible makes good toilet paper, and rolling papers,too (for a real ecclesiastical buzz). Just two more uses for it that you might not have thought of yet. And after you get through using it for one thing, before it goes up in smoke, you can lick it clean, and read it again.
Dan, can you explain why fetal homicide (the killing of a pregnant woman) is considered murder, but abortion (the killing of a fetus by a mother) is not?
“Sec. 1841. Protection of unborn children
(a) (1) Whoever engages in conduct that violates any of the provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365) to, a child, who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty of a separate offense under this section.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act#History
“At least 29 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation/development," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization")...”
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
So, which is it?
Robert Tucker March 20, 2019 at 2:44 pm "Dan, can you explain why fetal homicide (the killing of a pregnant woman) is considered murder, but abortion (the killing of a fetus by a mother) is not? "
I would suggest that the difference is that one is the choice of the woman and her body. The other is that of the murderer. More specifically, it is considered criminal to kill a fetus, with exception to abortion, with the specific consent of the woman.
Excellent point.
Did the law written in that book state what shouldn't be killed? Was it referring to ALL creatures, or just human beings?
Just asking!
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Just humans, and there are justified reasons to kill humans. The commandment should have been translated, "Do not commit murder" or "do not kill without just cause."
If "shall not kill" is taken literally, everything and everyone would starve to death. You could not walk for fear of stepping on a bug or worm.
You are missing the point - it is about men trying to have control over women's bodies but not allowing women to have control over theirs.
I agree! The women are getting their turn at having a a say over men’s bodies as men have been doing with theirs (women’s) for centuries. I’m a man, but can see a certain justice being played out here.
I think, once a woman is pregnant, its no longer just about her and her body. If she wants reproductive rights, let her make sure she doesn't get pregnant.
I think you are trying to force your beliefs on other people, and even you are confused and contradictory. Reproductive rights implies she has the right to reproduce or not, as she chooses.
Every pregnancy is caused by a man. Women don't spontaneously become pregnant.
More rubbish.Every pregnancy is caused by a man AND a woman together.But just as a man has no control over the woman's mouth when his saliva is exchanged, neither does he have any control over her body when his sperm meets her egg. Once you let it out of your body, you are done with it. Otherwise, save it in a condom and take it home with you, then neither of you have a problem. You get your precious sperm and she gets her body.
Aryeh Ohayon March 21, 2019 at 2:39 pm " Women don’t spontaneously become pregnant. " Some believe Mary did.
Live in the real world. Contraception can fail. Consensual sex is a natural, healthy and enriching part of adult life. If men got pregnant we wouldn't be having this debate! The decision to have an abortion is not an easy one to make, but for many individuals it's the right one. It's 2019 and the world we live in is complicated. Women everywhere should have support, understanding, and Pro-Choice rights.
It is not really about the women's bodies. It is about the babies. The fact that women's bodies enter into it at all is incidental. If the women really controlled their own bodies, there would be no unwanted babies.
Not all men want to do such a thing, there are good reasons to and not to abort a baby. Men do not want to keep you from using their body, maybe they just want to save a future human being from being cruelly killed and dismembered. Maybe look closer at what your opposition is saying before takings one man's word for every man's word.
It is also written “Judge not lest ye be judged.” We are not here to regulate what anyone else does with their own person. Our human society has gotten completely out of hand. Only God can judge a person for any action, no matter how terrible we feel it to be. Humans have lost their way.
I do agree with this legislation ONLY because there is so much legislated control over female bodies. I’m definitely in the Burn the Patriarchy Down camp.
What about Separation of Church and state.Seems to me like when Madelyn O'Hare was allowed to help take prayer out of our schools, our country took a nosedive. Now Atheists want to run our country. If they do not believe, fine. But they have the right to not stand for the prayer. But do not run our schools. They are our children,not just yours, and this country was founded for freedom of religion. w What are we doing,and where the heck are we going.
No one took prayer out of the schools. They made it illegal to force the kids to pray or follow a religion. Like it should be. Kids can pray all they want, to any god they want. They just cannot be punished for not doing it now. That is what freedom of religion actually is.
Atheists have as many rights as those of faith. Prayer was forced down children's throats in school before it was taken out of schools. No one can stop a silent prayer if that is what the child wants to do, but no child can now be forced to pray to a God they don't believe in! The country was founded on 'freedom of religion' not 'force of religion' and about separation of church and state. What the heck you are doing wrong is trying to force your beliefs on everyone else.
It was also written " There was an old woman who lived in a shoe. She had so many children she didn't know what to do." Along the same lines, that should also be outlawed. Driving yourself crazy with too many kids, who can't be properly raised by a crazy woman. And where would the children live? They couldn't possibly fit in the same shoe with their mother! Do you believe in all the fairytales you read? Why not? "Fairytales ,can come true. They can happen to you. If you're young at heart". A good synonym for which is naive. You know, like the blind faith of little children.
Is it not "judging" to determine that an innocent life should be ended before it has experienced life outside the mother? Asking for a friend.
It is a woman who is carrying the child. Its her body. Its her decision not the fathers. The morning after pill is a nicer way if the woman does not want to keep her child. If its better then the op which sounds horrific. Although Thou shall not kill is right. Minister Nick Page UK.
I thought it said " Thou shalt not kill, Gall." Whatever it said, Moses took plenty of time to carve those tablets all by himself. God could have done it a lot faster.Besides that, God would have explained it a lot better. Moses just wrote what he thought sounded right, as quickly as he could, and apparently didn't have very good morals, or it would have been a lot different.