In an impassioned Facebook post following the latest terror attack in London, a Louisiana congressman called for a Christian holy war against "Islamic horror."
Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA.) sees violence as the only viable solution for combating terrorism. Regarding how to treat Muslims who've been radicalized, he doesn't mince words: "Hunt them, identify them, and kill them. Kill them all."
Attached to Rep. Higgins' highly controversial language was a photo of a London police officer standing beside the body of one of the attackers. As is often the case these days, the post went viral and sparked a massive online debate.
Backlash
Within hours, the post had spawned thousands of reactions. While many of the congressman's supporters defended his statement, he also received heavy criticism. Wrote one Facebook user:
"Wow, you are no better than a terrorist. I'm more afraid of people like you than a refugee who was vetted for 2 years by 7 Intel agencies. I think we need better vetting for our representatives. You are an unhinged lunatic and playing right into what ISIS wants."
The Louisiana Democratic Party also released a statement condemning the language:
"The congressman points to Christianity to justify his backward position. As a party that strives to put in place representatives who serve progressive, inclusive Louisiana values, we urge him to look to 2 Timothy 1:7, 'for God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline.' Rep. Higgins' language is exactly the sort of response that terrorists aim to provoke."
"Cajun John Wayne"
Rep. Higgins is a former law enforcement officer who was elected in a December runoff election. Affectionately nicknamed the "Cajun John Wayne" by his supporters, Higgins has become incredibly popular for his frank way of speaking, unabashed Christian beliefs, and strong support for law and order policies.
But Higgins who is known to carry a Bible and wear a gun to town hall meetings with constituents has had his share of problems in the past. Shortly before running for office, he was forced to resign from his law enforcement position after referring to suspects as "animals" and "heathens". The congressman has also been married 4 times, and is currently trying to pay off over $100,000 in back child support.
Are We Headed for Holy War?
There has been a marked uptick in violent terrorist attacks during Ramadan, the Muslim holy month. Recent attacks in London, especially, highlight the severity of the ongoing clash between Islamic extremism and Western values.
When faced with the brutality and inhumanity of such senseless violence, there is little wonder that people like Rep. Higgins find a home for their own extreme thoughts in the fearful hearts of so many.
Is there an avenue for peace moving forward? We'd like to think a holy war can be averted, but comments like those made by Rep. Higgins are far from encouraging.
181 comments
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R.L. Knight
My question is who will be next once they finish ther war here who are they going after next Mormons, Jewish, Catholics or how about some more good old fashioned witch burnings people do not need reason to hate they just need target they will alway find reason
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Levi
Or you could just leave these people alone.
Not all Muslims and Islamic folk are terrorists
If you just 'kill them all' you'd be slaughtering hundreds, even thousands of innocent souls.
In my mind, that's a ticket straight to the deepest parts of hell.
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Right Reverend Desmond Morris
How interesting it is to see how politicians from other countries react to things differently. In the uk he would be incarcerated for promoting racial violence. Weather Mr Higgins is right or wrong I could not comment in public through fear of arrest. How lucky you are in the USA to have the freedom of speech, bless you all.
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John Maher
Rev.DM MORRIS, thank you for the BLESSING and the REMINDER of FREE SPEECH BUTT DUMP the IGNORAMUS tRUMP is trying HIS ULTIMATE BEST to STOP that HEs a RUSSIAN SEAT CUSHION, VLADIMIR PUTO sits on tRUMPS FACE, GOD is GREAT so is the US of A
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John Maher
I find the RHETORIC UNNERVING that ALL that is BEING DISCUSSED is FAKE NEWS, MEAN WHILE BACK @ the SWAMP W H they are ABOUT to COMMIT the GENOCIDE of 28,000,000 TWENTY EIGHT MILLION AMERICAN PATRIOTS, any TAKERS on this COMMENT, STEP up and TAKE a BOW, DUMPthe IGNORAMUS tRUMP,GOD is GREAT and so is THE US of A
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John Owens
Sod.
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Michael Grace
Is there an avenue for peace moving forward? NO, I do not think there is, there can be no peace if one side (islam) insists that everyone must be/do as they want or be killed.
If islam can do as most/all other religions and let everyone do their own thing, and just think/say "there is another one going to Hell" or whatever their version of Hell is but let them do their own thing as long as it is not forcing others to do so, then and only then will there ever be able to be peace.
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John Maher
VERY ENLIGHTENING BROTHER JOHN @ LAST WE HAVE GOOD and INTERESTING COMMENTS on WHICH to COMMENT, DUMP the IGNORAMUS tRUMP, GOD is GREAT so is the US of A
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Honest Abe
At least one version of the New testament states that Jesus says we should turn our other cheek towards one that smites you. You cannot be Christian if you do not follow Jesus's teachings.
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Brother John
Although I agree with you, there are many here that clearly illustrate this is not the case, HA. Many of them choose to dip into the dark barbarism of the OT to justify their bloodlust and the actions of their country and religion.
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inga
what happens when you run out of cheeks ?? lol.
no seriously. you know what i think. people ought to get some more/new hobbies. take up knitting or sewing, wood working, carving.. something. put the guns down and create something. you will be much better for it.
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Pastor Douglas Challenger
I would suggest that we (the USA) ARE involved in a religious war, whether we acknowledge it that way or not. Those who battle against us believe it to be on religious grounds, so regardless of our perspective, or the truth of the matter, that is what it is. The right or wrong of it depends on who you ask. This, to me, is just one more example of how religion, a construct of Man, not God, is flawed. The denomination or theology is truly irrelevant. Mankind has a penchant for violence and has used religion as an excuse and justification to engage in it for its entire history. Until we are willing to be honest with ourselves, as a species, we will continue to use this excuse to wage war. Will we ever have true global peace? I sincerely doubt it. We are a violent and destructive race. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it. We should embrace true spirituality and work for peace when and where we can. We may only achieve limited success and only for a short period of time, be that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
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Brother John
Great post, Pastor Douglas. Homo sapiens are without a doubt the most dangerous, deranged species of the 8+ million that share our planet. Sadly, our overdeveloped brains have resulted in little more than overblown hubris, encouraged by books like the Bible encouraging us to subjugate all life for our own use and pleasure. Thanks Moses and those who've followed his advice.
However, our planet is also a living organism and has the ability to rid itself of the plague that we've become. Our bodies develop a fever to rid itself of organisms that threaten our well being. It only takes a few degrees. The planet is in the process of doing the same. Denying global warming has no effect on it's reality. Abrupt climate change is underway and our pathetic attempts to control it (such as geo-engineering) have made matters worse. This change is exponential, not linear, hence "abrupt".
Were that not enough to eliminate ourselves, we've also added massive, lethal releases of man-made (not God made) radiation into our air, water and oceans for decades, but exponentially increased it with Fukushima (and other quiet catastrophes). The Pacific Ocean is dying. Most of us have ingested enough to cause terminal cancer over the next 10 years or so, but I seriously doubt we have that long. Extinctions in the past were caused by the destruction of habitat, and we've certainly been copiously crapping in our own nest for many years.
Those who've been anxiously awaiting the "end times" will find that it won't be the glorious celebration they expected, but rather a gruesome, fearful experience. Jesus isn't going to swoop in and save the day. This will be particularly true for those who've lived lives of privilege, entitlement and delusion.
I'm off for a walk in the surrounding forest with my dog. There's a cartoon (that I'm unable to post here) that depicts a man walking his dog on a bright, sunny day, with a blue sky, white clouds and green trees in view. The bubble over the man's head is filled with his mortgage, bills, cell phone messages, news articles, his work, his appointments for the next day etc, etc. In the bubble over the dog's head are a sunny day, blue sky, white clouds and green trees.
We live in a three dimensional reality, always floating towards the future in imaginary the sea of time, with the past in our wake. Now is all that matter, all that exists.
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Bill Fox
The approach to radical religion or politics should be secular. Crimes should be treated as crimes. Punishment should fit the crime and not be based on a person's beliefs. More laws will not solve the problem. Enforcing existing laws will solve the problem.
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John Maher
MOST of the WASP/FAR RIGHT comments are the SAME DRIVEL u HEAR from DUMP the tRUMP, N O FACT, N O TRUTH, EMPTY HEADED BLAH,BLAH,BLAH !!! DUMP the tRUMP FOLLOWERS, ACTUALLY BAAH,BAAH,BAAH, LOST LITTLE LAMBs, FIND BO PEEP or MAYBE U already HAVE, DUMP the tRUMP...................
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John Maher
Mr. JOSEPH Er Knopick and JOHN OWINS, MY PSYCHOLOGIST SWEARS that I am COMPLETELY NORMAL, WHAT SAYS U PROFESSOR ALBERT, WHAT SIGNIFIES N O R M A L ??? OPINIONs LIKE A H everyone HAS ONE, ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERs !!!
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John Maher
Mr.Owins and Joseph Er Knopick, MORE of YOUR NON STUDIES, I IMAGINE NEITHER of U R CHRISTIAN or U WOULD KNOW that ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERs WAS SUNG in EVERY CHURCH and SCHOOL and YOU TWO F T KNOW NOTHING of LIFE, HISTORY or the BIBLE, P.S. HOW DID U KNOW the KKK sang that TUNE. BLOWHARDS
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John Maher
Mr. Owens, Thank You for LIKING MY MUSEs, HAVE a NICE DAY, YES ! I AM QUITE MADD.........DUMP the tRUMP !!!
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John Owens
Mr. Maher, have you considered that you may have thyroid problems. Sometimes they present themselves as an emotional or mental disorder. Ask a physician, but not your regular doctor. Obviously he is not really helping you.
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Professor Albert Logjes
Slow down please. Let's have a normal discussion!
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John Maher
PROFIE ALBERT, W H A T is NORMAL ???
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Professor Albert Logjes
Not what you are doing hehe
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John Maher
PROFIE ALBERT, SEE YOU ANSWERED MINE and YOUR QUESTION, did U have one ???
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Professor Albert Logjes
End of discussion!
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Roy L. Patterson
There will be a War been Islam and Christianity. It is only a matter of time when it happens.
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Joseph E Knopick
The War began in the 7th Century AD. The Islamists have not stooped fighting it. Just takes different turns over the centuries.
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John Maher
SO THEN Mr. KNOPICK, BEING YOU WHERE in the ARMY getting BIT BY SAND FLEES and WHATEVER YOU FEEL EVERYONE ELSE MUST DO THE SAME, YEH, thats FREE THINKING, if SUFFERED WE ALL GOTTA SUFFER, by the WAY did YOU KILL anyONE ???
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Joseph E Knopick
No longer shall I dignify you as a valid intelligence. May God have mercy.
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John Maher
Joseph Er Knopick, YOU REALLY SHOULD TWEET LIKE YOUR DADDY DUMP the tRUMP, YOU KNOW the OTHER A H withe the SAME INTELLECT as YOU, YOUR PRESIDENT.
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John Maher
JOSEPH Er KNOPICK, WERE YOU in that 7th CENTURY WAR ALSO and NOT SEE ACTION, JUST a BIT of HUMOR, DUMP the tRUMP !!!
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Joseph E Knopick
The extremist cry out for our deaths, and when one of our own finally says it in return you say he is evil. He is just tired of turning the other cheek. They mean to wipe us off the face of the globe. It does come down to kill or be killed. I'm not calling for such, but I hear him and do understand.
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John Maher
Joseph Er Knopick, FORGET the REPLY YOUR NAME SAYs it ALL, DUMP the tRUMP !!!
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JOHN MAHER
Joseph Er Knopick, YOU SOUND LIKE ALL the COWARDs WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN in the MIDST of WAR ACTION, SEND in the ARMY, is YOUR SON A/O DAUGHTER VOLUNTEERING for AFGHANISTAN, I am A VETERAN of VIET NAM and YOU SIR ARE ???
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John A Anderson, CD, CIF Mons ON
John M, I have served in the Canadian Forces for the last 20 years, and am a WASP (White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant) by bloodline. However, just because someone disagrees with you, does not make them a coward. I disagree, and do not see military action as the solution to this. Sending in troops puts them into harm's way, rather than solving this problem. If the "western" world wasn't so oil-hungry, the US economy wouldn't care about what happened in the Mideast. Because they have a resource which drives their economy, they care, but why is nothing said about the people who died in Tehran from an Islamic attack. More people died there in one day than have died in the US from a Muslim attack since 30 Sep 01 (this is to allow for the death of those injured 9/11). Some of the best soldiers I have ever had the pleasure to work with have been Muslim, as upset by the Wahabi fundamentalists commandeering their faith as any Christian. But yet, Trump, because he has business dealings with their country, and the US is dependent upon Saudi oil, does nothing about the Saudi government, which is SATURATED with Wahabi, and allows them to persecute Christians without saying a word. Did you know that wearing red in the middle of February gets you arrested in Saudi Arabia?? You likely had Muslim members of your platoon in Vietnam, who prayed under their breath 5 times a day, and you didn't even pay any attention to them doing so. Using force should be the LAST resort, not the first.
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John Maher
AMEN, Mr. ANDERSON, AMEN !!! it is NOT DISAGREEMENT BUT the FACT THAT the SCREAMERs WHO NEVER SERVED or THEIR FAMILIES NEVER SERVED are the FIRST to SCREAM LETs GO TO WAR, I SAY STEP FOWARD SCREAMER.
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Joseph E Knopick
United States Army, Gulf War, I served 1993-1997. So Scream all you want Sir!
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Joseph E Knopick
My service was during the ceasefire period.
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Francisco
Please get ready to move your clocks backwards some 600 years...I thought the dinosaurs were extinct!
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Joseph E Knopick
To me you sound cowardly, What if it were your neighborhood, Your Concet Venue, your, market square, your child, your best friend or you with a improvised bomb, or Knife in your gut and the last thing you hear is "Allah Akbar!"??
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John Maher
HOW MANY ??? PEOPLE or YOUR FRIENDs in YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN BLOWN UP or STABBED ??? YOU SPEAK like a PERSON LIVING in FEAR, LIKE DUMP the tRUMP, MAYBE YOUR JUST TRYING to SCARE EVERYONE ELSE, JUST LIKE DUMP the tRUMP.
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Joseph E Knopick
Is not fear sir! Is an an understanding of this politician's point. Also the fact that everyday somewhere ,especially in Europe, someone is threatened or killed b Islamists. The attackers on London Bridge crying out "God is Great" as they stabbed innocent pedestrians. Or the group of Muslims on a Paris subway train declaring France for Allah, while the french did nothing bt endure it. If one of the french had even bothered to interfere with their blatant and loud chanting on that commuter, You would all knock him/her for being a bigot and racist.
Yet if that same example were in a public square calling for Repentance and declaring France for Christ, you'd also decry him/her for forcing his religious views on others and should be arrested for disturbing the peace.
It is not fear Mr. MAHER, it is understanding of the true situation. What would you do SIR! What would you do? It does not matter whether it is Muslim extremists, Crazed depressed Teen with a high powered rifle, Tim McVay and a Truck full of Fertilizer, or a group of young men with white tees and blue bandannas packing glocks and carrying a kilo of dope. Someone needs to say that is enough! Someone needs to stand in the line between chaos and death. Would that be you SIR?
I am certain that would not be the Donald, but I'm sure it will be the ordinary person. I can honestly say I do not know what I would do in that situation, but I certainly pray whatever I do would be the right thing come life or death.
It is not fear, not for myself! It is fear for my neighbor, for my family, for my friends, for my coworkers, for our children, even for Overly OPINIONATED HATE MONGERS such as yourself SIR!
Let me also tell you something about FEAR. Fear can be the catalysts for some very life changing and character building choices. Fear can make or break a man. I have met fear many times over the course of my 40 years. I have but the hand of God never been in a life threatening situation dealing with fire arms or explosives. I have dealt with bullies, talked down angry people from starting a brawl. I have wrestled an armed man, pumped up on PCP, to the floor for not only his own safety but for the safety of those he was going after with chef knives. Ever try to deter someone on PCP, JOHN? Let alone physically stop them, with-out anyone being hurt! My Heart was in my throat! Someone had to do this, Everyone else coward in the corners or against the walls. Were would you be, huh? Are you a Big Mouth wall huger or Will you stand next to me as we try to keep others safe? I hope Sir, you will be right there being a wall against Hate, Harm and Death.
You have made me very angry. I am chocked-up with disgust that you put me in this point to say what I think I must. I certainly have tried to just let you ride in your venom. I do not know what kind of man you are Sir. Whether you are some naive regurgitator of common popular rhetoric or like the rest us just tired of the crap Washington keeps throwing down our throats from the extreme left or the extreme right. When it comes to politics, no one is every happy all of the time.
Yet for me, and all of those around me, when Terror comes, I will be the one who will have to respond, as for the military and uniformed first responds will not likely be there until after the damage of the attack has been done. They are limited in number and cannot be in all places at the same time. May God be merciful to me and to those who are caught up in the grip of fear. May we all show the same mercy to one another. When the day comes, if it comes to anyone us, may we do what is right. May we do it because if we don't, no one else will.
May it never come. May you and I John never see such a day. May one day, as my prayer is, That we know violence no more.
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John Maher
JOSEPH, ALL I am TRYING to CONVERSE is do NOT LISTEN to these SO CALLED LEADERs that SPEW LIES for MONETARY GAIN WITH THE BLOOD OF YOUR FAMILY and FRIENDs, WAR,GUNG HO, SEND YOUR SONS and DAUGHTERS Mr. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS of CONGRESS and the REST of the BULLSHIT ARTIST that EXCITE the RABBLE, YOU FIRST !!!
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John Maher
JOSEPH Er KNOPICK, FEAR is FEAR ! ACTION is ACTION, LEARNING to REACT is the OPPOSITE of FEAR,TALKING LIES and INSULTS is WHAT DUMP rhe tRUMP CREATEs HE is a LIAR,a THIEF, a CARPETBAGGER, a TRAITOR, a PUPPET for the RUSSIAN PUTO, DUMP the tRUMP,GOD is GREAT so is the US of A
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Joseph E Knopick
Just to add the other part about fear, Sometimes you have to run. Yet you should only run when everyone else has already gone ahead.
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Carol Amina
The christian crusaders screened in the name of Jesus Christ before they burned Wiccans and tortured people during the so called dark ages... same thing as far as I can see it. So are all Christians blood thirsty killers?
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Joseph E Knopick
So called Dark Ages? You mean the loss of knowledge and science and technology achieved from the classical period of the Greek and Romans? You mean all the progress of civilization wasn't lost when the Western Empire collapsed? When Rome fell in the Fourth and Fifth Centuries A..D. Western Europe plunged into Darkness. It was really a thousand year period of ignorance. Yeah the burning times are in this period but superstition replaced reason and logic. the wilderness was rot with danger, People were once safe were then supplanted with people who were filled with fear. Fear of the unknown and misunderstood. Ignorance reigned were knowledge once existed. If it wasn't for the Eastern Empire maintaing understanding, Plus the monasteries in the west as being bastions of knowledge, Western Europe would never have recovered from such ignorance and superstition. Yes it was great tragedy that many people of that time were put to death or burnt at the stake just because of unfounded superstitions, more than just being of a different belief.
The Dark Ages was a true time in the West, It was not a pleasant time at all. Then comes the Plague, not once but twice.
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John Owens
Joseph, I appreciate the time and thought put into your answers, but these hand-wringers and Jesus-haters in here will not.
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Joseph E Knopick
Oh and the Crusaders didn't burn Wiccans. They fought heretics, including Pagans in Germany, Cathars in France, Moors in Spain, and Saracens in the Holy Land.
The Inquisition of the Dominican Order burned Witches, Sorcerers and other Practitioners of magic and dark arts at the stake. However, more people who were not actually witches or sorcerers were murdered by the Inquisition than actual pagans or witches.
To help you have some clarification, there was no such thing as a Wiccan. That is Gerald Gardners Neo-Pagan term for the form of Practice you call Wicca or Wiccan. A Wicca was a male practitioner of the art of Wisdom. A Wicca was effectively a Druid or A Wizard in the old Briton and Gaul territories of western Europe. We have the following words in English use today derived from Wicca in the Gaelic or Anglo tongues such as Wisdom and Wizzard or Wise One. A Wicce (Vee-Kay) is the Wise Woman or Witch. again a Druid (not Druidess as there is no gender distinction), both Wicca and Wicce were keepers of lore, medicine and "priests" of the Celtic people.
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John Maher
TO JOHN and JOE, the VERY NEXT TIME, YOU GUYs SEE or HEAR FROM the R E A L J E S U S please say HELLO for ME and TELL HIM I HAVEN'T SEEN OR HEARD FROM HIM in a VERY LONG TIME ALL I HEAR is BS from PEOPLE LIKE YOU and DUMP the tRUMP, BONJOUR SAVIOURS of the WORLD !!!
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John Owens
Mr. Maher, that's because your sins have hid His face from you. You listen to ungodly men rather than His word. You cannot have it YOUR way, and HIS, at the same time. Yet, if you humble yourself, and read His word with reverence, and repent, He may yet hear you. For the time being, it is to your benefit that He doesn't, because if He did, He WOULD STRIKE YOU DEAD IN A SMOLDERING DUNG-HEAP.
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John Maher
Mr.OWINS, JESUS WOULD NEVER STRIKE ANYONE DEAD, THAT is WHAT I MEAN of YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING of the WORDs of JESUS and the BIBLE tthat U BABBLE, the SAME MENTALITY as the TERRORISTs, KILL, STRIKE them DEAD, GET SOME REAL LITERATURE in YOUR LIFE and LEAVE JESUS to HIS HEALING
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Lauren
You are wrong about all Christians. The ones that burn in the name of Christ were the leaders, lots of christians did not agree, but if they would have said no do not burn them they would have burned also. So you are wrong about all Christians
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Carol Amina
Lauren, I did not say "ALL" christians I was talking about the kind of people who act like there way is the only way. I have many christian friends who have friends that are of other faiths and even atheist. They dont see this as a religion issue but a power and political issue which it is. I am quite sure your not one of "those hateful types"
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Brother John
You are one of "the others" I referred to in my June 13 reply to John Owens, Joseph (scroll up near the top). Your indoctrination, lack of compassion and ignorance are evident in comments like the one above. Why not introduce some reality into your world view by searching images of "children killed in Syria" (or Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, et al) while asking the questions you posed? You'll need to broaden the scope to include neighbourhoods, highly populated urban areas, and entire countries, not just a concert venue or market square. As someone who admits they've never been in "a life threatening situation dealing with firearms or explosives" you will have little comprehension of the horrors of war and the stench of death, but I encourage you to enlarge the images you'll find and take a long, hard look before posting any further warmongering vitriol or overblown bravado (as you've done in your response to JM below).
I expect the last thing heard by the hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children who have been slaughtered in the GWOT was not someone yelling a slogan, but rather explosions and screams of terror and agony from friends, neighbours and family members. The dispenser of their deaths were often high overhead or many miles away at the controls of a drone or missile launcher, probably highfiving and shouting their own slogans.
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John Maher
WELL JOSEPH Er KNOPICK what EXACTLY would YOU DO in TAT SITUATION ??? 06/10/2017 [ sounds cowardly ] DUMP the IGNORAMUS tRUMP GOD is GREAT so is the US of A
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Ben
For a religion that preaches: * Turn the other cheek. * Love your neighbor as yourself. * Thou shalt not kill. * Vengeance is to be left unto the Lord.
There sure are a lot of blood-thirsty Christians.
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Joseph E Knopick
Cool Ben good observation. But with all those points, does not once mean we should be door mats and let them walk all over us, trash our values, and kill our neighbors, friends or family. What would be your attitude if you had to face Germany in 1941?
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John Maher
DID YOU Joseph Er KNOPICK FACE the GERMANs in 1941 ???
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Joseph E Knopick
The war ended 30 years before I was born. Not the point. The Greatest Generation took on that challenge and overcame them. The point John MAHER is that in the face of cruel aggression and hatred, would you say oh, it's the Nazi's right to seize the countries around them. They just want to impose their ideas on other people. Oh FDR is being mean to them. He should be told to stop picking on poor defenseless Germany. After all Britain and France had force Germany to pay for the Greta War. Boo Hoo.
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Roy L. Patterson
What about all the killings by Muslim's.
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Carol Amina
Roy L. Patterson what about all the killing by Christians?.
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Joseph E Knopick
What about all the murders done by the Pagans?
Is it then the people of religious bent doing the killings? Or are human beings just plain evil no matter whose religion or whose nation or culture that they belong?
This just sounds like, "I do not like your religion so you're the evil murders." Creed, Nation, nor Religion, has anything to do with it. It is the spiritual disease that affects every person. This disease is called sin. Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned..." Romans 6: 23, "...the wages of sin is death..."
Genesis 2:15 -17 "The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, 'You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.' ”
Genesis 3:6-7 "So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked..." [They saw their shame. After which the Man and Woman tried to cover up (like children or criminals) their guilt. They were told the consequence of eating the fruit, "you shall die." see Gen. 2:17 and Romans 6:23 ]
First they were cursed into suffering and pain, By Childbearing and through working the land and hunger. (Genesis 3:14-20) Then they were cast out from Paradise.(Genesis 3:22-24) Finally their offspring will quarrel and kill. Cain kills Able.(Genesis 4) The earth moans in sorrow for the blood split. (Genesis 4:10-11) [The beginnings of earthquakes and natural disasters.]
From the very beginning we have had death and murder and conflict and war. Even Religious war, as Cain killed Able because God favored Able's heart in offering. Genesis 4:3-7, "In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his face fell. The Lord said to Cain, 'Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it.' ”
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JOHN MAHER
JOSEPH, ONE MUST LEARN from these WRITINGs NOT LIVE BY THEM, THINK, MAN THINK !!!
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hsw
Murders done by the Pagans? Tell us more.
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Joseph E Knopick
Aztec human sacrifice, Romans nailing people to the cross for not accepting Caesar as God, Worshipers of the cult of Mythra sacrificing infant children to his delight. Ritualistic murders at Satanic cult or Vampiric cult ceremonies. ( There were some from the 1980-90's). Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, need you anymore?
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Carol Amina
Sadly Blood-Thirsty is part of Christian history. They have been torturing and killing people who are not christian for as long as the church began. The real Jesus would have turned his back and dusted there dirt from his shoes.
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Joseph E Knopick
The Real Jesus also turned over the merchant tables in the Temple an act of right anger to those who defile the sacred place of God. An act of violence.
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Carol Amina
He was human. And I think it was about them doing what Christians do now. Collect the money of the poor in the name of god and pad there own pockets and agenda's with it. I have no problem co-existing with people from any and all faiths. I ask only that I not be asked to follow or adhere to laws and rules that I dont believe in. AKA bible.
There was a lot of christian / bible bla bla in your statements. And good for you, but not for me. I would never ask you to accept my spirituality and I wont accept yours. I have the right as anyone dose to live in my own way as long as I do not harm you or force you to join me. but christians keep trying to push there rules down the throat of so called Sinners and non believers, this makes them no better than the Islamic extremists in my book. All about ego and not at all about God.-
John Maher
WELL SAID CAROL, ALL the SO CALLED PURE DO'ERs, LEARN from WRITINGs and TEACHING DON'T LIVE THEM or WORSE BELIEVE EVERYONE ELSE MUST DO SO, WAKE UP and SMELL the ROSEs. W H O WROTE the BIBLE ???
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John Maher
CAROL the REAL PAGANs are the SAME PERSONS that SPEW HATE and MURDER in the NAME of GOD, JESUS, the HOLY TRINITY, the HOLY SHYTE, as YOU SAY JESUS was a TEACHING of GOOD NEIGHBORING and GUESS WHAT, NO FACT, THEY the PEOPLE LIKE tRUMP and his 40 THEIVEs CRUCIFIED HIM, JESUS, IGNORANT MINDs WAKE UP JESUS is KNOCKING on YOUR HEAD with HIS HAND NOT a SWORD, DUMP the tRUMP
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John Maher
AMEN, BEN, AMEN !!!
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John Maher
ALICE E. I LIKE UR COMMENT BUT the PROBLEM @ HAND is the IGNORANCE of these SWAMP CREATUREs, THE tRUMP W H and THE RNC/GOP and there SUPPORTERs that LIVE on TWEETs and FACEBOOK in THEIR OWN LITTLE SWAMP SHACKs NOT in A REAL WORLD and it is NOT ANYONEs FAULT BUT OUR OWN !!!
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Joseph E Knopick
not anyone's fault but our own...The first intelligent thing you have ever said John.
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John Maher
I'M NOT SURE if thats a COMPLIMENT, Please Reply, Joseph E, KNOPICK
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Joseph E Knopick
Take it as you see it. Most of your comments are full anger and lack anything but vomited out emotion. Particularly your disdain for Republicans, President Trump, Conservatives, and Christians. However, it is so far the first statement you have written that I have read in which I truly and definitely agree with. Coming from me, it is a compliment.
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John Maher
WELL JOSEPH Er KNOPICK YOU GOT ME @ an ADVANTAGE, MY FEELINGs 100% DUMP the tRUMP and TAR and FEATHER the RNC/GOP, ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS MARCHING off to DC
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John Owens
Onward Christian Soldiers is one of the songs the Klan used to sing. Odd that Mr. Maher mentions it.
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Joseph E Knopick
To John Owens, oddly enough that is also the the anthem of the Salvation Army. Who helps more people the SA? maybe the Red Cross...huh...Christian founded Organizations, Oh the is the Y, (YMCA/YWCA, aka Young Mens/Womens CHRISTIAN Association), huh what else is there...to do what now, oh Clothe the naked, feed the hungry, visit the sick infirm and imprisoned, give water to the thirsty....
But it is okay to praise the Muslim terrorist and death bringers and remind us of all the aristocracies committed by selfish and hate filled men in war and during the time of ignorance and superstition than it is to remember that it is Christians who do the good things in the world. Why because we love our God.
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John Owens
I agree with that last statement, Joseph.
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Carol Amina
I agree with you John Maher, but the saddest part to me is that all this hate was brewing long before the tRumster got elected. It hurts my heart that the world now sees that blow hard as our leader. I feel ashamed when I talk to friends in other countries and find myself apologizing for that shameful pig we have in the white house. It is very sad indeed.
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Joseph E Knopick
You are very right about the hatred brewing from long ago. I also agree that the President is a pig. The shameful and disgusting things he said about women. Such talk got a reporter fired. Yet he was still elected.
However, the idea that the world sees him as our leader, is much more than perception, He is the President of the United States, whether we like it or not. Just as much as Theresa May is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
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John Maher
CAROL U R RIGHT, ONLY THING IS do U BELIEVE DUMP the tRUMP will FIX ANYTHING, NO HE is a LEACH, a CARPETBAGGER, A BAD CON MAN, A BAD PAYER, A PIMP, A BLOWHARD, in REALITY A REALITY NOTHING, HE IS N O T EVEN a POOR SHOWMAN thats N O T HATE it is PURE DISGUST for DUMP the tRUMP and the RNC/GOP !!! THERE I SAID it AGAIN !!!
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Carol Amina
I try to have hope for us as a country and as a people John Maher. Its hard for me really. I am a peace loving person by nature which is one of the many reasons I left Christianity behind a long time ago. I was so tired of the bashing and over all lack of tolerance in churches. John if I really thought anything I said here mattered to anyone or would make any kind of positive difference I would post or answer things more often. Over all I am tired of this site mainly because it reminds me of how ugly christians can be towards people who dont fit into there little narrow minded boxes.
I became ordained into this church because I was under the impression it was inclusive and free to all. My Daughter is gay and when I got ordained gay marriage was not yet legal in all states. My daughter and her partner were together for 18 years and raised two wonderful son's together. They got married this past Oct and I was over joyed for them. I have performed a few gay weddings as well as a few non christian straight weddings. But I am beginning to think this whole thing has run it cores with me. I am really becoming ashamed of the things I read here. The anger, hatred and constant bashing of each other. It just feels yucky John... I do thank you so much for your kind comments from time to time. You and a few others have been ever so diligent to shed some light into this dark hole. Peace and Blessings to you and all you love. And one more thing.... I wish we could dump tRump into a big pit and cover him like the shit he is :-)-
John Maher
I WISH YOUR WORDs COULD BE HEARD AROUND the WORLD, I AM SURE tRUMP will FALL as DO ALL TYRANTS and THEIR IGNORANT FOLLOWERS, the SWAMP CREATERs, DUMP the tRUMP !!!
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Brother John
This is one of the most honest and humane posts I've read in my years here, Carol. I feel much the same about the non-stop ignorance and hatred posted here, on what's supposed to be a spiritual forum.
I left the the U.S. for Canada 47 years ago after my return from one of their endless, brutal wars for profit with my conscience still in tact.
Understand that the POTUS and other (s)elected officials do not call the shots. They are all actors in a political theatre designed to distract the population from the evil that the unelected shadow government is allowed to use for their own gain and amusement.
Until Americans accept that it's the overall culture of violence, exceptionalism and blind patriotism that's the root problem, things will continue to spiral towards oblivion. I do find it sad that a once great country (or at least not the cesspool it's become) had only a criminal psychopath or a narcissistic megalomaniac as the choices for it's highest elected office. A tragic end to a magnificent initial concept.
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Alice Elyaman
Wow, so what do I tell my born in the USA kids when they see things like this ? Sorry, we are the bad guys? We live in the US, my children are educated professionals, we have wondeful neighbors, we uphold the law, we pay our taxes, etc etc.
Just like the Syrian refigees that have been deposited in a strange land to start their lives all over again, me and my kind have no place here.
My dad grew up an orphan during and after WW2 in Poland. Is it our turn now?
It is ludicrous that whenever a criminal is exposed and he happens to be from a Judeochrisian background, he is considered a bad apple, an abberation. But when someone form a Muslim background commits a crime, then all of Islam is on trial, the evil Cancer that needs to be wiped out. .Do any of you people personally know any Muslims? any of your neighbors or Doctors are Muslim?
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Carol Amina
Well said Alice, and I know many Muslims in fact a few of my fathers Specialist Docs are Muslims. They are wonderful women and men. I lived in a community in New Jersey that was mostly Muslim, they were great friends and neighbors too. They watched out for me because I was alone and always made sure I was ok even when I was ill. My christian church back when I was stupid enough to be part of one was never so kind as the Muslim families that lived near me. All this hate for Islam is just racism and self righteousness.
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Joseph E Knopick
Hi, Alice I have good friends that are Muslim. They are among the best people I know. Nor because they are or are not Muslim, but because they are people.
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Brother John
Alice said, "Wow, so what do I tell my born in the USA kids when they see things like this ? Sorry, we are the bad guys?"
If you're honest with your children, yes, that's what your should tell them. They will have received a massive amount of state indoctrination through their schooling that will be very difficult to dismantle. I decided to move to Canada as a young man and the process was much easier when not surrounded by those chanting WE'RE #1 USA! USA!
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Carrie
What a sad stupid man. Let us rid ourselves of bigots and fanatics across the whole of the religious structure. They are the cancer of society no matter their faith. In the words of William Blake; O FOR a voice like thunder, and a tongue To drown the throat of war! When the senses Are shaken, and the soul is driven to madness, Who can stand? When the souls of the oppressèd Fight in the troubled air that rages, who can stand? When the whirlwind of fury comes from the Throne of God, when the frowns of his countenance Drive the nations together, who can stand? When Sin claps his broad wings over the battle, And sails rejoicing in the flood of Death; When souls are torn to everlasting fire, And fiends of Hell rejoice upon the slain, O who can stand? O who hath causèd this? O who can answer at the throne of God? The Kings and Nobles of the Land have done it! Hear it not, Heaven, thy Ministers have done it!
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John Maher
THE FIRST FIVE WORDs of your COMMENT SOUNDs LIKE, tRUMP ???
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Carrie
Sorry but I happen to think it is true. I find it extremely sad to see such narrow minded ignorance. I never want to see my grandchildren inherit such a world as this. Trump is a monster who enables bigots and hate mongers with his spite and ignorance. Also, anyone who knows history should know that the Islamic Faith appeared around 750 A.C.E. so therefore there is no way the Christians have been fighting them since the birth of Jesus.
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Carol Amina
Thank you Carrie your right o all accounts. tRump is a Monster and the Christians were killing people of other faiths long before the Islam came on the seen.
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John Owens
And John M, Carrie, and Carol are all full of digested beans, ready to come out.
Carol, the Christians were an oppressed minority until about 300 AD, when the name of Christ and Christianity was effectively confiscated and appropriated by the PAGAN Romans, who were murdering imperialists. Mohammed came along by 700 AD. The Moors took over all of northern Africa and the eastern Roman Empire. They took Spain, Portugal, what is now Turkey used to be Roman. It didn't become Muslim because people thought Islam was preferable to Romanism. It became Muslim because Islam was preferable to death.
But, why am I telling you this? If you want to defend people who would rape and behead your nieces, nephews, sheep and goats, and kill everyone you know in the most bloody and despicable manner possible, and strap bombs with nails and ball-bearings to their own children to blow up as many people as possible and think God accepts their behavior, you CERTAINLY aren't going to listen to history or common sense. I pity you so much. I really do.
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John Maher
AND WHAT Mr. OWENS are you DOING for this GREAT COUNTRY,WHAT is YOUR INTEREST in ANYWHERE BUT the USofA, WE HAVE MORE HORROR HERE to CONTEND WITH that WE DO NOT NEED ANY NO MORE, READ YOUR HISTORY and WRITE a BOOK, YOU SPEAK as the UNSPEAKABLE, DUMP the tRUMP !!!
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John Owens
Mr. Maher, I greatly fear that you are insane. Horror? The biggest horrors in this country are human-trafficking, crime-filled neighborhoods and abortion. Of what other horror do you speak? If you read history or anything at all, I would think your writing would be slightly more intelligible. I do find your musings entertaining, though.
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John Maher
JOHN OWINS PATIENTLY AWAITS the DIGESTED BEANS on the STREET BUTT SAD is JOHN OWINS ALAS NO SPOON to EAT, UR HD is UP UR ARSE, DUMP the tRUMP.
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Don Bloss
He is right. Only Islam calls for killing non-believers. The qur'an is specific about that.
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John Maher
I BELIEVE that U MISUNDERSTOOD my MEANING, I AGREE that tRUMP is a BLIGHT on the UNIVERSE, I KNOW WHAT I MEANT, I HAVE NO REGARD OR LIKING or ANYTHIG FOR tRUMP, tRUMP is NOT MY PRESIDENT HE is ONLY a CARTOON CHARACTER on my T V............................
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Roy L. Patterson
Stupid comment. Donald Trump is your President whether you like it or not.
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Carol Amina
Not my Pres under any circumstances. I would not even give him the time of day! in fact I would sooner spit in his face then to ever call him my president. I refuse to support our government in any manor until he is run out of the white house.
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Joseph E Knopick
May I recommend not doing that should you meet Mr. Trump Carol Amina, as the Secret Service will arrest you. If you do "spit" make it by words and be as intelligent as you can. Make him think about what you said. If he thinks about it, then he hears it again and again in his mind. They will arrest you and charge minimally with assault on the president, and maximally as a traitor or a terrorist. Keep this in mind.
Also it may be construed by your statement here alone as a Threat against the president.
Threatening the President of the United States is a class E felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871.[1][2][3] It consists of knowingly and willfully mailing or otherwise making "any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States". This also includes presidential candidates and former Presidents. The United States Secret Service investigates suspected violations of this law and monitors those who have a history of threatening the President. Threatening the President is considered a political offense.[4] Immigrants who commit this crime can be deported.[5]
As in to inflict bodily harm, to Spit on a person is can be seen as biological attack, as you could have contagions in your saliva, as in Herpes simplex or HIV.
Just some food for thought. Be thus warned and consider anything and everything you say about President Trump. If anyone ever, would take your statement like the one you made here against you, Megalomaniacs like Trump would.
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JOHN MAHER
SORRY ROY, DUMP the tRUMP is YOUR PRESIDENT, N O T MINE, MY PRESIDENT LEFT OFFICE JAN. 8, 2017
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John Owens
If the Donald is not your president, you are not a citizen of the United States.
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John Maher
Mr. OWENS, HAVE I TOLD U LATELY UR A F...KT..D ??? AND tRUMP is NOT MY PRESIDENT, WHEREs UR BIRTH CERTIFICATE ???
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John Owens
I know right where it is, Mr. Maher, although I have doubts about yours, but I really don't care one way or the other. Being called names by you is like being called short by a leprechaun, or fat by a sumo wrestler, or naïve by a 5 year old. They could all be correct, but because their frame of reference is so limited, their statements are nothing but comical.
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John Maher
THAT was MY NEXT COMMENT to U, YOU are AS COMICAL as YOUR SIDESHOW CIRCUS CLOWN PRESIDENT, DUMP the tRUMP, YOUR MIND is a TERRIBLE T H I N G, AMERICA IS GREAT DUMP the tRUMP !!!
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Brother John
Thank you, Carrie. Sadly, the apathy of our civilization have allowed psychopaths to assume positions of authority, control and power.
"The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind". William Blake
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John Maher
RIGHT on BROTHER JOHN, WHAT ABOUT the GENOCIDE of 28,000,000 TWENTY EIGHT MILLION PATRIOTS, COMMENT POR FAVOR, I REALLY WOULD like to READ UR VIEW.........
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Carrie
Sadly, there has never been a war that wasn't started over greed. All it takes is one to whip others into a frenzy because he wants something, be it land, money, slaves or ideology. I will never understand why. My mother always taught me that we have no right shoving ourselves down anyone else's throat. Her motto was "We can't save the world, only our own little piece of it. If everyone would do that, the world would never need saving."
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Lynn Gideon
I'm looking at all you have to say. The comments suggest a very similar resemblance to the main subject. What happened to grace?
There seems to be an underlying hatred driving all of this. Judge not, lest you be judged. By the same measure you give it shall be given to you again. PRESSED DOWN, SHAKEN TOGETHER, AND RUNNING OVER shall men give unto your bosom (seat of emotion). You guys know better. Pray for them, don't condemn them. ByitnoJ-
Joseph E Knopick
Thank you Lynn.
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Professor Albert Logjes
Yes I agree. There are too many muslim terrorists. By the way the purpose of Islam is to dominate te world.
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Joseph E Knopick
True. The purpose of Christianity is to save those who believe.
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John Maher
YES JOSEPH Er KNOPICK SAVE THOSE WHO BELIEVE and TORTURE , KILL and SEND to HELL anyone that DOES N O T , AH ! BROTHERLY LOVE, DUMP the tRUMP CHRISTIANS, DUMP the tRUMP !!!
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Miranda Allison Young
No. Then we had the Spanish Inquisition. That did not teach us either, nor did the Salem Witch Trials or the Holocaust. And now we have Trump. Sometimes I think humans are incapable of learning.
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Joseph E Knopick
Not exactly the same issue.
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John
Didn't the Crusades long ago teach us anything?
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Joseph E Knopick
...and the Muslim extremists are still fighting the Crusades.
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Brother John
Sure they did, John. Fill people's minds with enough fervent belief and self-righteousness, create an enemy and they'll participate in the most heinous atrocities we can imagine. As we can plainly see, both in world events, and in some of the comments here, it's still works today
“Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship… Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” – Hermann Goering (as told to Gustav Gilbert during the Nuremberg trials)
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John Maher
FAKE NEWS, BRITEBART,FOX NEWS, the W H news, DUMP the IGNORAMUS tRUMP SPEACHES and PREY TELL what have WE 'HEAR', NAZISM,FASCISM, NATIONALISM CERTAINLY N O T DEMOCRACY !!! WAR is WAR BY any OTHER EXCUSE and WHO FIGHTs the WAR ? N OT the ELITE,the RICH, the POLITITIONs ONLY the POOR SLOBS that CAN N O T get UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE FIGHT for this GREAT COUNTRY that CHEAP CRIMINAL CON PERSONS like DUMP the tRUMP CRITICIZE , DID HE or HIS SONs or FAMILY FIGHT for this GREAT COUNTRY, WE ARE GREAT, DUMP the IGNORAMUS tRUMP,GOD is GREAT so is the US of A
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Don Bloss
John, I've had fun trying to understand your comments but your formatting is just too distracting. I won't be reading more of them. Please don't be angry with me for being somewhat of a language snob.
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John Maher
LET ME ENTERTAIN YOU, DON BLOSS but do TAKE NOTICE that WHAT I SAY is FACT, N O T HYPE from the W H, I have been CALLED MORE WORSERER by BOOGER OWINS so CARRY ON DON BLOSS, DUMP the IGNORAMUS COWARDLY TRAITOR tRUM, GOD is GREAT so is the US of A
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Miranda Allison Young
He calls himself a Christian, but he is not! What he is saying goes against everything Jesus ever said or did. He is the embodiment of Satan. This is exactly what a Satanic person would say. Did he ever actually read that Bible he always carries with him? I very much doubt it.
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John Maher
THANK YOU MIRANDA ALLISON YOUNG, AMEN, ALL these KNOW NOTHINGs QUOTE from the BIBLE like it is THEiR MAMAs WOMB, they SEE NOTHING WELL MAYBE the LIGHT @ the END of the TUNNEL, NARROW MINDED BIGOTs, DUMP the tRUMP, MY AMERICA is GREAT, DUMPthe tRUMP !!!
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Brother John
Blaming Satan for morons like this is doing Satan an injustice and deflecting the actual source of his goonishness. The source is plain to see.
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Minister Greg Harden
Kinda reminds you of the old saying "fight fire with fire" doesn't it.
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Joseph E Knopick
Which actually works in some fires, like Oil derricks.
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Marcus Ferrell
He should read the Bible he has in his hand, particularly the section where Jesus said to " love your enemy. He's just another closet bigot hiding behind the veil of Christianity. ?✌?
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Joseph E Knopick
Jesus also said, that he came to bring a sword.
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John Maher
JOSEPH Er KNOPICK, PLEASE RE READ the BIBLE, N O T URS BECAUSE URS seems to HAVE SOME MISQUOTES, THANK YOU and DUMP the tRUMP
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John Owens
Jesus DID say he came to bring, not peace but a sword. He said a man's enemies would be those of his own household. Joseph is reading correctly, and his punctuation is much easier and more pleasant to read than yours, Mr. Maher.
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Joseph E Knopick
Thank you John.
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John Maher
DEAR BUDDY of JOSEPH Er Knopick and WHEN JESUS told PETER to put AWAY the SWORD in the GARDEN when HE JESUS was ABOUT to be ARRESTED, JEZEZ H, CHRIST
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Brother John
The Golden Rule or law of reciprocity is the principle of treating others as one would wish to be treated. It is a maxim of altruism seen in many human religions and human cultures. The maxim may appear as either a positive or negative injunction governing conduct:
One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself (positive or directive form). One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated (negative or prohibitive form). What you wish upon others, you wish upon yourself (empathic or responsive form).
See Matthew 7:12 for the Christian version.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
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John Maher
BOOGER OWINS, JESUS SAID NOTHING UR READING it's WHAT SOME SCHMUCK WROTE,isn't it TIME to START QUOTING tRUMP BOOGER, I BELIEVE HE SAID HE WAS THERE, F..KT..D......DUMP the IGNORAMUS COWARDLY TRAITOR tRUMP, GOD is GREAT so is the US of A
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Pastor B Stevens
Really ? We've been in a Holy war since before Jesus Christ walked the earth with the Muslims faith . I say We because of the government attacks against these countries . So what's new ? As for the sherif he's a crack pot white supremist . His dumb self has already been in hot water with the Feds and lost his first job as sheriff ---- this places him on the terrorist watch list . Aparently a mosquito infected him with a brain disorder ?
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Joseph E Knopick
Islam was founded 600 years after Christianity.
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Ron Gilch
Don't try to win a point with "alternate facts", which are not facts at all. Education, try it... it may prove useful, if you want to be taken seriously. Open your mind before you open your mouth. We can all learn from the mistakes of others and ourselves. If you're in the "God" business and are accepting donations for teaching that misinformation, you should refund some of their money. I'm sure you would agree that your God would look favorably on you.
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Brother John
I believe you're relatively new to this forum, Chill. Should you choose to continue, you'll find there are a seemingly endless stream of closed minds posting here. Here are a few quotes from awakened minds you may enjoy.....
“Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in.” ― Isaac Asimov
“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” ― Thomas Paine, The American Crisis
“Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.” ― Benjamin Franklin
“One’s opinion should only be as strong as one’s knowledge on the matter.” ― Eric Hirzel
“Being different will always threaten the institution of understanding of a closed mind. However, evolution is built on difference, changing and the concept of thinking outside the box. Live to be your own unique brand, without apology.” ― Shannon L. Alder
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Beth K
It is going to be very hard to stop the people in the Middle east, their rulers, Imams, Ayatollahs from engaging in wars and terrorism, declaring it a "Holy War", in the face of unAmerican claims like this. This violates the US Constitution, US history, and what the Founding Father's stood for.
On June 10th 1797, then President John Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli, which states that "the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion".
Clearly, this Louisiana Representative, and others like him, stand at odds with what John Adams, one of the Founding Fathers, unequivocally put in writing 220 years ago tomorrow. Please take note of this important anniversary.
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C.E.G.
Our money I"n God We Trust," Our pledge of Alligiance " One Nation Under God", Maybe it was not founded on the Christian religion but boy has it influenced most everything thereafter.
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Carol Amina
True that it has been influenced by, but that dose not mean that everyone who lives here has to follow alone with christian laws in order to be considered American. If so that is no different than Islamic countries that have Sharia Law. So if you want this country to be under the law of a book that not all of us fallow then this is not a Free country run as a democracy, but a country under control by religion.
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Brother John
Carol....then this is not a Free country run as a democracy, but a country under control by religion.... global corporations and central banks.
Thank you for your comments, Carol
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Carol Amina
Sadly I agree Brother John. We are at greater risk now than I can ever remember in my 60 years of this life time. It really is a bad state of affairs. Thank you for your balance Brother John.
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John Maher
BROTHER JOHN, the DOLLAR, TRUST in GOD, the REST PAY CASH, EVERYTHING WE HERE from the W H is B S, the CAUSE of WAR is M O N E Y !!! in WHATEVER FORM BUTT MONEY MAKING CARPETBAGGERS LIE for the GOLD, LIFE is WONDERFUL for the ELITE, DUMP the IGNORAMUS tRUMP GOD is GREAT so is the US of A
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John Maher
AMEN BROTHER JOHN, AMEN !!!
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hsw
Only when fear takes control. McCarthyism is responsible for the reference in the Pledge. What a proud history that is! (insert sarcasm font)
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Brother John
Do you know if children are still required to stand and recite the Pledge, hsw? I've been away for 47 years and hope it was dumped along with the Lord's Prayer.
Are you familiar with the "Bellamy salute"?
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Ron Gilch
Why do you interpret "God" in those phrases added at the height of our fear of Communism to mean "Christianity"? Don't all faiths have at least one "God"? Defining a word to suit just what you want it to mean is an insult to your own intelligence. Globally your definition is in the minority. I don't recall anything in Christ's teachings being combative or exclusive. If the Old Testament is part of your bible, remember that"God" is not a Christian.
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Brother John
Nor was Jesus a Christian, Chill. He was a rebellious, free thinking Jew challenging unworthy and repressive authority. Assuming there actually is a "Jesus", he'll be shaking his head in horrified disbelief at what's been done in his name.
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Barry
Most Wars in history we're caused by Religion.
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biblical scholar
If other religions would stop picking on Christians this wouldn't be a problem.
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Pastor B Stevens
So it's ok for Christians to attack other faiths but not ok if they are attacked ? Your a idiot
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John Owens
Who are Christians attacking?
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Brother John
Really John (and others)? Let's inject some reality and truth into this important conversation. The U.S. has the largest Christian population of any country. Unless atheists enlist disproportionately, logic says their military is principally Christian (as are their war profiteers). There are more U.S. military bases around the globe than all other countries combined. The budget for their military dwarfs other countries (all of it borrowed for a current total around $20 trillion in national debt). The U.S. is the world's #1 arms exporter. One of the world's most despotic regimes, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, is one of the world's largest arms importers and long time ally of the U.S. The U.S. hasn't won a war since WWII even though virtually all the many countries it's attacked since then have been relatively weak and defenceless compared to Germany and Japan. It's all about profits and control of resources, not "victory". Afghanistan is the longest U.S. war to date. It remains the world's #1 source of heroin. Connect the dots.
I did a tour in Vietnam (67-68) and two good friends died there along with 58,000+ other young Americans. More bombs were dropped on this small, relatively defenceless country than in all of WWII. Chemical weapons were routinely used (and now include D/U munitions, white phosphorus and more) against the civilian population. They included napalm and Agent Orange.... tons and tons of both. The purported goal was to "stop the spread of Communism". The justification was based on yet another lie (Gulf of Tonkin incident). The country has been the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam for decades.The capital is Hanoi. No victory, No glory, No honour. But huge profits for the suppliers, of course. Vietnam was no more of a threat to the U.S. than any of the many countries currently being ravaged.
You ask who are Christians attacking? Off the top of my head........ Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Syria plus many more that are "under the radar".
Less than 4,000 Americans (assuming 9/11 was not controlled demolition as many believe) have died in their country at the hands of "Muslim terrorists". Many hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslim men, women and children continue to die in their own countries at the hands of invading U.S. forces. Millions have been displaced by the mass destruction rained down on them day after day, week after week, year after year.
It's sickening to hear Americans whining about the threat of "terrorism" when they've been the #1 exporter of terrorism for decades (and equally sickening to hear about jerk offs like "Cajun John Wayne"). Who do you think arms and trains, either directly or indirectly (through countries like Saudi Arabia) the "terrorists" (research it yourself)?Could some of the "extremists" be friends and family of the hundreds of thousands killed by drones, occupying forces, chemical weapons and daily bombings?
It's also sickening to read the flag waving, "kill em all" rhetoric of arm chair warriors (sadly some posting here), sitting in their safe, secure, well stocked homes encouraging others to put their lives on the line to "protect their freedom".
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John Owens
A) Afghanistan (through sheltering Al Qaeda) attacked us. B) the American military is not a branch of any religion, in fact, at this time, Christianity is being suppressed within the American military. C) You shouldn't talk about truth if you have no love for it. D) When soldiers in uniform attack armed men who ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TERRORIZING OTHERS, it is not at ALL the same as people disguised as civilians going into soft target and killing as many non-combatants as possible. E) The ENEMY'S warriors like to hide among women and children and at hospitals and churches IN ORDER to cause non-combatants to be killed during counter-attack. Those people go out and make a foray, then hide in a school or something. They fire rockets and mortars from kindergarten. Yeah, when we counter attack, non-combatants get hurt. If they don't like it, they need to stop supporting it. F) The countries you named? Those are all places that require brutality just to maintain some semblance of order, and they are not being attacked by Christians. They are being attacked by a national military. The commies killed more Nam Viet than our people ever did.
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kenneth bruun-olsen
Thanks Brother John for some Actual Historical Comparisons and Clear Data. This is being sold as a 'Holy War' because then it can be a 'permanent war' and as any War Dog will tell you THAT is where The Big Money is. I think of it all as just another 'Tech Bubble' or 'Housing Bubble' that will only Burst when America runs out of Men, Women and Children to Murder...and That will take a Long Time while establishing a New Class of Elites. I've heard it said, and believe its true, that Only through The Military that an American can achieve that same power as the Kings and Royals of old. And Brother Murder is a Very Profitable Game indeed. Couple that with the whole Climate Change, Limited Resources and UN Agenda 21 and one can see just how many of these 'Goals' will be Achieved through some 'Good Old Fashioned Genocide'...and with 'The Winners' Writing the History all Crimes and Sins will Truly be 'Forgotten' within a Single Generation (use 9/11 NIST Report for Reference). We are indeed in an Interesting time in History, yet the question will Remain...WHO Will Write That History?
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John Maher
HOW about IRAQ Mr.OWINS, try READING a NEWSPAPER and LEAVE the BIBLE / BABBLE to the SCHOLARS who as you KNOWSHYTEABOUTIT, TRY the PUBLIC LIBRARY, a PSYCHIATRIST is TOO EXPENSIVE and WOULD do U more HARM than WHATEVER, DUMP the tRUMP, AMERICA,FREEDOM,LIBERTY,
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Brother John
Right back at you, kenneth. I haven't noticed your posts in the past and you may be new to this forum. I expect your name has already been added to the "lefty list". You'll find that facts and clear data will mean little to some here.
Your post was well written and to the point. I hope you don't mind if I add a few things.
Many of those posting here are deep into the "holy war" propaganda. This means it's not only endless, global and staggeringly profitable, but also justified and possibly even righteous..... soothing to those who still have a conscience. I've suggested numerous times that supporters of the GWOT search images of "dead children in Iraq" (or any number of other countries currently being ground up in the profitable "business of war"). I haven't seen a single response. No shortage of arm chair warriors, but they don't even have the spine to a look at what they're supporting, let alone put their lives on the line (or encourage their own children/grandchildren if they're too old themselves). It makes me sick.
You mentioned a couple of the realities that continue to be dumped into the "conspiracy theory" bin by many people. This most certainly includes 9/11, the trigger for the GWOT, along with those your mentioned. It's truly shameful how many people remain gullible enough to accept myths and propaganda as truth, particularly with instant access to information literally at our fingertips. I firmly believe that the "pursuit of happiness" is one of the worst purposes in life humans can adopt. They simply avoid and deny everything that might be disturbing to their personal feeling of well being and prefer comfortable lies to potentially disturbing truth.
Also on the list of realities to avoid are the on-going horror of Fukushima (and other radiation based catastrophes), methane release, abrupt climate change and the likelihood of WWIII. Widespread denial has simply allowed these, and other threats to life on earth to continue unabated.
If you haven't done so yet, have a read through the comments on the billboard story and you'll see many more examples of Denial and Delusion 101.
As a life long truth seeker, I encourage you to challenge any misinformation and ignorance you find on this forum. There will be no shortage.
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John Maher
ALWAYS LABELS, I AM a CAN of SOUP but am AGAINST ANY MORE WARS of ANY B S EXCUSE, ONWARD CHRISTIAN ARMCHAIR SOLDIERs the POLITICIANS have KILLED and MAIMED ENOUGH CITIZENs in the NAME of GOD and OIL, NOW they are GOING to try and GET AWAY with MURDERING 28.000.000, TWENTY EIGHT MILLION MORE, W T F ADOLPH tRUMP, W T F RightNincompoopsnoConscience /GorrillaOfficialPutos DUMP the IGNORAMUS tRUMP, GOD is GREAT so is the US of A
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C
Cal it a Holy War or just war but something needs to be done to put an end to this radical religion. Any Christian who has strong beliefs in their faith knows that Islam is not a pieceful loving group of religious people. I have to agree with the politician whom called for complete genocide of the Muslim faith. Look on YouTube about how many so called FEMA camps are being built. I don't believe it's for Christianity but for a round up of Muslims and radicals within our country. This country was founded on the bases of religious freedoms but take a deeper look and you will find it was founded on Christianity. If Muslims think their country and religion is so great go back to the Middle East. America does not want you here.
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Brother John
As the opinions you've posted are deluded and ignorant, Milfceci, you're in for some mind blowing surprises.
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Don Bloss
Read the qur'an and you will understand that Islam calls for killing all who are not moslem. PC translations of today translate the Arabic word for "kill" as "contend with." Islam is both intolerant and violent by design. mo-ham-Mad wanted to rule the world by telling others "allcrap told me to tell you to tell you to kill others and yourself while you are stealing for me." The pig porker got 5% of all 'slime booty. I dis the false profit (my spelling,) his fictional book and his demonic god allcrap. My rather crude comment shows my disdain for all stupid enough to believe this devil driven crap.
- Don Bloss
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hsw
Please elaborate as to how Christians are being picked on, with specific examples.
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C.E.G.
Many Christians around the world are and have been executed because of their belief. You want specifics look it up so you can inform yourself. This is nothing new!
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hsw
Nope. You make the claim, you get to defend it.
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John Maher
FELLAS try the INQUISITION, U KNOW WHERE the CHRISTIANS KILLED ANYONE and EVERYONE, LIKE tRUMP and the RNC/GOP are TRYING to DO, DUMP the tRUMP
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Don Bloss
HSW, how is the cranial-rectal impaction working out for you? Christian Coptic, Kurd Christians, Nigerian Christians as well as hundreds of Syrian Christians have all been slaughtered by followers of your false prophet. All who share your demonic cult also share the guilt of those murders. Hell approaches.
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John Owens
Jehovah's Witnesses have just been effectively disbanded and outlawed in Russia. That's one. I am not one of them, but it IS a fact. A busload of Christians was just attacked in Egypt, and most of them killed, just for being Christians. There are two examples. DAESH is killing them every day, mostly Copts, but others as well.
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hsw
Disingenuous dude. You know he was talking about the United States.
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John Owens
I didn't see any geographical references, H, but since you want to narrow the scope to make you look smarter, there was a Muslim attack on a group in Texas who sponsored a "Draw Mohammed" contest. Of course that particular attack went the way these things should go if they happen at all. The NYTA officer in the subway in New York City was a Christian. I'm sure I can think of more, but I'm at work and busy.
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Rev paul
I think a holy war is unavoidable they teach islam in schools some states are alowing the bible to be taught in schools it starts there and then christians will end up fighting islam sooner or later then you have a holy war
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M
I agree with Cajun John Wayne, all the muslims religions revolves around evil and satanic cultism and they all believe int it, if they are not at the immediate time acting on terrorism it is because either they are too chicken to, or they just don't have the skills or the equipment to do it. I believe they all would want to if they can. Than makes for a death for those who gets in their way. Far too man people earn that about them the hard way and it is just too late after they are murdered by them. We should not have to take those kinds of barbarians in, nor should be be guilted into it. If they don't follow the laws of the land they don't deserve to be in that land. They just want to mooch off of the systems anyway they don't want to be in any of the civilized world. Send the back and let them kill each other off. I know there will be many who will bully me over this but I don't care. I will not be bullied into changing my views and I should not have to worry about it. For all you who want to bully me, I warn you, I won't take it off of you. You try to bully me, I will get really nasty back. If you want to discuss things that is fine but bullying isn't.
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John Maher
the PROBLEM is as ALWAYs, EDUCATION, FIRST in the HOME,SECOND in SCHOOL, THIRD RELIGION, FOURTH POVERTY, FIFTH GREED, SIXTH GREED, SEVENTH GREED on the PART of the LEADERs of ALL NATIONs, ME,US,OUR, NEEDS are GREATER and WE the PEOPLE get KABOIKUS and UNREST, WAR, FEAR, POVERTY, N O UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, JUST EMPTY PROMISES, VOTE PEOPLE, VOTE,DUMP the tRUMP, AMERICA is GREAT and WE are CLOSING DOWN ALL the CIRCUS and SIDESHOWs, DUMP the tRUMP.
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Brother John
It doesn't surprise me that you agree with CJW, Mary. That's a pretty impressive photo they staged, isn't it? I'll bet he has that John Wayne swagger down and has a mouth to match his ego. I'll heed your warning about what you might consider "bullying". Besides, you already seem nasty enough.
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John Maher
WAKE UP FOOLs YOU ARGUE DUMB SHYTE WHILE DUMP the tRUMP, the RNC/GOP FIDDLES with YOUR HEALTH CARE, EVER HEARD of the CON, WAKE UP, DUMP the tRUMP is GOING to WRECK the LIVEs and PROBABLY K I L L 25,000,000. ELDERLY,SICK, HANDICAPPED, MAYBE SOMEONE in YOUR FAMILY, DUMP the tRUMP
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Em
There's an interesting quotation by Jasper Fforde: "Religion isn't the cause of war, it's the excuse."
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Dragon Priest
Using religion to cause others to murder on behalf of their twisted ways is just what muslims do. Live by the gun, die by the gun nd they are still wrong.
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inga
lol. no silly man is the cause of war.
just like the number one reason for divorce. marriage !!
sometimes we overlook the obvious !! we think it should be complicated. it reaally isnt. get a job and get a hobby and life will be just fine.
best wishes.
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Sounds like he has been educated in Iran who leaders have said the same thing about killing all Christians, Jews, and everyone else who does not bow to Mecca. They also want the heads of the Kingdom pile high in Mecca.