A week after criticizing Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden for his civil rights record, presidential candidate Kamala Harris is having her own civil rights record questioned.
"If she's going to call out other candidates for their shortcomings on civil rights issues, she needs to own up to her own mistakes," declared lawyer Rajdeep Singh Jolly, who launched an online petition demanding Harris apologize for defending a policy that prevented Sikh state prison guards from keeping beards back in 2011.
Three days into her job as California's attorney general, Kamala Harris argued to dismiss a lawsuit filed by Trilochan Oberoi. The Department of Corrections denied Oberoi a position as a prison guard because he would not shave his beard for the medical exam's mandated gas-mask fitting. Oberoi, a Sikh man, keeps a beard as part of the observance of his religion.
Although he appealed and had an arbitration board rule in his favor, he was again denied the position and then sued the state for discrimination. Harris backed the Department of Correction's decision, arguing Oberoi couldn't be properly fitted for a gas mask without shaving, and that no exception to the rule had been granted since its 2004 inception.
However, Oberoi's lawyers and dozens of civil rights groups pointed out that the agency did allow medical exemptions for people with skin conditions. "Why should those who cannot shave for religious reasons be treated differently?" asked the smattering of human rights groups, who wrote a letter demanding Harris reconsider her position. She didn't.
Harris Wouldn't Back Down
Sikhs consider untrimmed hair a religious sacrament, one of five articles of faith, and wear turbans and beards accordingly. "Once you touch the razor or touch the scissor, your religion is gone," Oberoi said to media outlets in 2008.
Jolly believes that Harris "dug her heels in" at the same time the Obama-Biden administration was making historic strides to allow observant Sikhs to serve in the U.S. armed forces. She "slammed the door shut in our faces and made us jump through hoops instead."
"At a time when Sikhs were struggling against discrimination in the post-9/11 environment, she could have used her discretion as attorney general to expand equal opportunity for Sikhs and other religious minorities who wanted to serve as security officers in her state."
Case Closed?
The state eventually settled the case in 2011, paid Oberoi $295,000 in damages and gave him a manager position in the corrections department. The U.S. Department of Justice's civil rights division opened an investigation into the policy. In 2012, California's governor signed a bill to protect workers wearing religious clothing or hairstyles.
A spokeswoman for the Harris campaign said that Harris was under a legal obligation to defend her client, the Department of Corrections, and that "there were unfortunate situations like this one where her clients took positions that were contrary to her beliefs."
But Jolly isn't buying it. He questions the former attorney's dedication to defending the rights of not only the estimated 500,000 Sikhs living in the U.S., but those of all religious minorities.
"If she becomes president, I think Sikhs and other religious minorities deserve reassurance that she's going to be on our side."
118 comments
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kimberly
She won't be president. The socialists continue to be a clown show.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Kimberly, you racists and xenophobes said that Barack Obama wouldn't become President, either, and he did. That proves that you don't know what in the Hell you are talking about and that you and Trumpelstiltskin are the clown show!!! Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren or Joseph Biden will certainly become our next President and beat out that pedophile of his own daughter and traitor to America Trumpelstiltskin!!!
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Milton
John, you racists and xenophobes said that Donald Trump wouldn't become President, either, and he did.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Milton, we aren't racists and xenophobes and it wasn't us who elected Trumpelstiltskin as President, but you actual racists, suckers, and xenophobes and the outmoded Electoral College who did so and continue to swallow everything that he says hook, line, and sinker!! The facts speak for themselves, regardless of your twisting and interpretation of them to suit yourselves!!
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Dennis Starr
Partin do you realize how silly and pathetic you sound with insulting anybody you don't agree with. "trunpelstiltskin" really, what are you twelve. Racist, suckers and xenophobes is your idea of being on this secular site and actually having the nerve to display your name as "Rev." You are nothing short of a classic hypocrite. You display the same tactics as did the Nazi's who try and diminish those that did not agree with everything they claim is right. It makes me wonder what sad type of parents that raised you with those values. You must be an example of the "nut not falling far from the tree".
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S.Ong
Amen!
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kimberly
Denise....the fact of the matter is Trump won and you lost.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Dennis Starr, you are insulting me because you disagree with me and so why are you talking about my "insulting anybody who disagrees with me" while you are doing that very thing to me?! That makes you the hypocrite here, not me, and silly and pathetic, by your own standard (or lack of standards)!! I don't insult everybody who disagrees with me, such as Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Bahais, Yezidis, Jainists, Confucianists, Taoists, atheists, and some others, but only you GD conservatives because you deserve it and it's the truth about all of you!! Trumpelstiltskin is a JOKE!!!! "president" and so why shouldn't he have a joke name, as befits his jokishness, and have the ridicule and laughing stock status in the eyes of the people of the world that he has subjected our country to over the disgrace at our southern border with Mexico of overcrowded detention centers and children separated from families and no showers or enough food or clothing and a father and daughter drowning while trying to swim across the Rio Grande fall back on him, since he is to blame for all of it?!!! That isn't a 12 year old perspective at all, but a very mature perspective and holds this incompetent fool in the White House responsible for his actions and to blame for his wrongdoing!!! Why aren't all of you coming up with your own insulting names for that idiot?!! Why are you just going along with his idiocy, if you aren't idiots yourselves, unless you have been hypnotized and brainwashed by him?!! That would certainly explain all of your continuing to stupidly smile and praise him and shout Sieg Heil!!! Why don't you care about all of these poor suffering people down at the border who are fleeing from gangs and violence and seeking asylum here?!! There is certainly something lacking in all of you, too, such as compassion and mercy, for you not to care about that!! As for your comments on my parentage, that is another proof of YOUR IMMATURITY!!!, since I have said nothing such as that about your parents!! Let's leave the mothers and fathers out of this discussion, since they are irrelevant to this matter and stay focused on the issue at hand. If you refuse to do that, I could bring up your own immaturity as evidence of your parents' not having raised you very well and give you much more along those lines than you really want or could handle!! So, let's not go there!! As with the fairy tale character Rumpelstiltskin that I based the insulting name for the Donald on, all that we have to do is to know the real name and nature of that evil spirit in the White House and he, too, will disappear, by impeachment or in 2020!! Finally, Christian ministers aren't the only kind of ministers in this blog or in the world, in case you didn't know that, along with everything else that you don't know. So, I have every right to call myself a minister, no matter how much "nerve" you "think" it takes for me to do that. Grow up yourself and broaden your views of ministers and the world!!!
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LtBil Drat
Milton, the Obozoists, and killaryklan will just ad hominem leftwingloons will melt now.
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kimberly
I don't understand what you said but it sounds good.
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Carl Elfstrom
I don't know who I'm going to vote for, and probably won't make up my mind before the primary. I can't imagine myself voting for Harris or Warren, but I won't rule out Buttigieg or Biden. Surprisingly, my opinion of Trump has improved. I hope him and Biden don't die of old age before the election, but I wouldn't be surprised if our next president or VP is gay. I think the 21st century is going to continue being about change, big league (as President Trump would say)!
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kimberly
ole Trumpie has kept his word and has worked to make this country a better place. So much so that people are trying to sneak across the border in record numbers. Those who said they would leave if Trumpie got elects don't seem to have left. Too bad really.
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Lionheart
They'll be leaving in 2020 Kim. Hopefully they'll take AOC, Pelosi, Warner, Illan, Biden, Hillary, et al with them.
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Joann Serger
Are you all idiot? fans. I suggest you take the blinder off your eyes, clean the Trump bull**** from your ears and wake up. We need to get this ***hole out of office, before he ends up getting our country blown off the face of the Earth.
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Isabella
What kind of language!?! Do you consider yourself a respectable human being?
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Rev. John D. Partin
Yes, of course, Isabella, Joann Serger and I are both respectable human beings because we are writing about a totally unrespectable "human being", namely Trump, and that is the kind of language that he and his supporters deserve, the same as the scribes and Pharisees deserved to be called "vipers and hypocrites" and "whited sepulchres" and the money changers in the temple deserved to be told "This is a house of prayer and you have made it a den of thieves"!! Do you also think that Christ wasn't respectable because he used such words?! We were merely following Christ's example with that kind of person!!
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Goldenmermaid
Amen to that. Trumpites! Put down the kool-aid. This evil creature, Trump, has taken over your minds. Run! Run away!!!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Thank you very much, Goldenmermaid, for your agreement with Joann Serger and I. Trump is a very evil creature who has taken over Trumpites' minds and they need to stop drinking his kool-aid and run away from him as fast as they can!! Amen to that!!
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Lionheart
If we can put up with Obama rule for 8 years, you can do the same. Don’t judge by personality, just keep your eyes on the economy and watch which President did best for the good of the country in his 8 years
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Lynn
What horrid language for someone you uses Rev. in their name. If you want socialism - which is Gov't control of everything instead of less gov't as you will have if Pres. Trump stays in office. You need to pray about your convictions my friend because you are following a downward path.
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LtBil Drat
Thanks, Lynn.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Right on, Joann Serger!! These Trumpophiles do have blinders on and bull**** in their ears and have been hypnotized and brainwashed by that ***hole in the White House and need to seriously wake up and come out of their trance and stop acting like idiots about him!!! Yes, we have to get him out of office, by impeachment or voting him out, before he ends up getting our country blown off the face of the Earth!!! I couldn't have said it better myself!! Thank you!!!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Gary Minnis, since I'm not finding your post jn here when I hit Reply, as usually happens, I'll just have to reply to you back and forth from your post---the hard way. Why is it that you people who are against gay rights and Muslim rights and immigrants seeking asylum rights and women's rights and many other people's rights think that you are "the fair-minded and righteous and justice loving" people in this blog and the world and it is everyone else who is in favor of all of these people's rights who are "the bigots and intolerant" people, according to you?!! Because that just doesn't even look right on the face of it and, in fact, is totally ass-backwards "thinking" on your part!! You don't believe that people who are against you and your rights are "really tolerant and accepting toward you", do you? So, why, by your own standard toward yourself, would you "think" that you are "the accepting and tolerant" people toward others when you oppose their rights and only those who are in favor of those people's rights are "bigoted and intolerant toward them"?!! You just make no sense at all and are totally illogical and inconsistent!!! You conservatives are the self-righteous, pampered, egocentric fat asses in this blog and in the world. while all the time accusing me and other people in here of being all that!!! Again, you have it totally ass-backwards!!! As for knocking me on my fat, etc. ass. as I "deserve", according to you, instead of all you conservatives' deserving that, let me know when the guy comes in this blog for that because I wouldn't want you to overstrain yourself or take on more than you could handle!!
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LtBil Drat
I agree. Thanks, kimberly.
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llillard
I believe she an outstanding candidate. She’d make an outstanding first woman president. She has a lot of support from my community and sorority. Let’s wish her our best like good Christians and let each candidate stand on their merits.llillard01@gmail.com
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Kirk
Shaving for gas masks is a safety issue. If the mask won’t seal, that could get you or someone else killed. If you cannot shave for any reason, don’t try for a job that requires the use of a gas mask! Pretty simple.
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kimberly
Yes...I been safety manager and it's mandatory to shave when wearing respirators.
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Kathleen Baird
Still am vastly annoyed at the Canadian Supreme Court for siding with a Sikh who wanted to wear a turban instead of the traditional Royal Canadian Mounted Police hat. HE CHOSE to apply for the RCMP: no one forced him to join. Why should our traditional uniforms change for him? If you are choosing to become something that has a dress code, your acquiescence is implied with your application, especially if the code is for safety. HE is NOT being forced to shave: he simply must follow the safety rules of the job as others do, for a position HE CHOSE. Why is this even a question? It is NOT religious prejudice, it is safety rules.
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Alicia
In every speech I've heard from Kamala Harris, she talks about what she will do for the black population. If she wants to be President of the United States, she needs to tell us what she will do for ALL US citizens. The US is made up of many races, not just blacks or Caucasians. I want to know what she will do for everyone.
Something else that bothers me about her is that she is supported by Al Sharpton. This man is a tax evader and one of the biggest racists around! If HE is supporting her, I certainly will not. She wants Sharpton's support, yet calls Trump "racist". That's pretty funny considering Sharpton's track record. But now she's considered a "civil rights leader"? Is she taking tips from the phony "Reverend" Sharpton?
Kamala also has talked about how Trump should be locked up, yet she gives no reasons why she believes this. She's very vocal on her hate for Trump. I will vote for the candidate that talks about what they are going to do to make life better for US citizens, not the one who talks about giving illegals free reign in our country. I will also vote for the person who doesn't talk shit about the other candidates.
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Jean Bakula
A candidate who doesn't bash the opponents, and discusses how they would make America a better place would be refreshing, wouldn't it? I like Harris, but have concerns that in her job as a Prosecutor, she probably went after all races and kinds of people, some who likely weren't guilty. It's part of the job. When she speaks and starts pointing at people, I feel like I'm in a courtroom. Maybe she would be a good VP, but that would put her in line for POTUS eventually. We have time.
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Irma Lucas
Your unconscious racist bias is evident. The job is offered under anti discrimination rules of employment, which also includes religion. They are not changing the uniform where all officers must wear turbans. They are accommodating a religious practice as there job offer states they will not discriminate.
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kimberly
There is no "unconscious racial bias". That is a contrived accusation to deny freedom of speech.
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Wyatt
Unless Irma Lucas is actually the Government they're incapable of denying your freedom of speech.
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Irma Lucas
A conscious racist expression to deny what is granted by law and upheld in a court of law
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kimberly
only someone who thinks along racist lines would interpret that as racist. You dealt it...so smelt it.
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kimberly
that's the theoretical. the practical is that the more they hate what you are saying , the louder they scream vitriol to drown it out.
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Carrie
This is indeed, a chosen profession. I believe the navy allows beards, not sure, and the army allows mustaches, again not sure. Air Force is no, as are the marines, because of the gear they have to learn to use. If you chose to join one of the branches, they allow you to worship as you please but, you Must adhere to the military code. There is nothing to see here. This is not an issue, religious or otherwise. If you don't like the code, don't join...period.
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D. Sepic
I'm a very conservative Republican, but i have to defend Harris. She was California's Attorney General and had a job to do - defend a safety policy of the DOC. Asking for an apology from Harris is like asking Biden for an apology for defending criminals when he was a public defender (because it was contrary to victim's rights). The Democrats are scurrying so fast towards socialism that they're trampling each other.
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JJT
Enjoyed reading your post, and agreed. Just have to chuckle at the Joe Biden analogy, though it's technically true that he was a public defender and he IS another Presidential candidate. But, Joe Bide the 'public defender'? Joe spent months (literally!!) as a wholly unremarkable public defender, due to his (1) general dislike of / disinterest in practicing law ("Corporate practice did not appeal to him, and he found that criminal defense work was not terribly lucrative" - NYT 23 OCT 2008), and (2) his all-consuming lust for political power ("But politics offered him a ticket to fame, if not fortune." - NYT 23OCT2008). So, I have grave doubts Biden ever wet his pinky toe, let alone got into the deep end of the pool, on any victim's rights while a public defender :)
And while part of the following is quoted so often by so many, few know the whole quote, a shame as the entirety is just as memorable: “And remember, where you have a concentration of power in a few hands, all too frequently men with the mentality of gangsters get control. History has proven that. All power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.” - Lord Acton (1887). Good luck with that whole Republican/Democrat (gangsters all) thing :)
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Carl Elfstrom
Being an attorney doesn't mean a person would make a good president. It's not even a job requirement, and won't necessarily make anyone a better president. Law school seems to make lawyers better actors and bullshitters, very similar to used car salesmen. Many of our presidents were not attorneys, and did a good job. Really, attorneys do their best acting in courtrooms. I think other kinds of actors are better suited for the presidency, like Ronald Reagn,for example. I think he was the best president we've had during my lifetime. And he wasn't an attorney, but he sure could act!
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kimberly
Harris the Harpy isn't fit to be prez. Tearing down others isn't needed. Building up our country in unity is. Trumpie has done that and will continue to
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Carl Elfstrom
It seems like all Harris keeps doing is complaining and negatively criticizing her opponents. That doesn't say anything good about her, her credentials, or how she is going to be a good President. All she seems to know how to do is prosecute. And of course, an attorney is not in a court of law to point out her own faults. She knows her job well, and should stick with it.
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Carl Elfstrom
Trump is a good actor. And I bet he'd be better suited as a talk show host. A good name for it might be "Talkin' Shit With The Prez" (with a Russian translator in a caption box). He's really good at that, and he's not even an attorney, or a used car salesman. It helps to be assertive, and speak with a soft pitched voice. Biden also has those qualifications, and a lot more experience in politics.
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kimberly
Biden has no experience other than politics. Our President has business experience, political experience and has been successful at producing a well-known TV show. Harris the Hag has no experience except to tear down others as she attempted to do with Biden who took it like the confused old man he is. The socialist debates were a clown show.
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Wayward73
Kim, what have clowns ever done to you to warrant that kind of abuse? ;)
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kimberly
They weren't funny.
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Carl Elfstrom
I always vote for the person, not the party. I'm more Reppublican than not, but have sometimes voted for Democrats, who I think did a better job than the particular Republicans who they were running against would have.
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kimberly
Trump wasn't Republican per se but I gladly vote for him. He's more republican than many of the republicans. I would never vote democrat. Never.
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Willie
I call the Republican party the Party of the Ignorant, the Stupid or the Greedy or any combination there off !!!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Amen, Willie!! You hit the nail right on the head about the Republican Party!! That is absolutely correct!! And Trumpelstiltskin is the Antichrist or, at least, will be filling in for him until he actually shows up!! Thank you for your comment!!
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Carl Elfstrom
Talking about those biblical fairytales eh, Part in? The fairytale bible doesn't say anything about anyone filling in for the anti-christ until he shows up. That just shows one functioning illiterate congratulating another one with even more absurdities.
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kimberly
Anti-christ is not a man. It is a teaching. Another religious lie. Nobody is going to show up as anti-christ OR a beast.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Carl Elfstrom, you tell jokes in here all the time and still you don't know a joke when you read one?! Of course, the Antichrist is a fictional character. My saying that Trumpelstiltskin could stand in for the Antichrist only means that he is the worst possible person that he could be and the worst person for the job of President, short of some imaginary "son of the Devil" showing up to take over the job, but then I thought that I was writing to people who could figure that out and know a joke when they read one. My mistake. Maybe you should go back for some remedial reading and literacy classes yourself because you are certainly sounding quite absurd here!
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kimberly
I'll take the Republicans and Mr. Trump over 22 clowns, freaks and perverts all in a row. That first debate was embarrassing. whew.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Kimberly, Trumpelstiltskin is the King of Clowns and the rest of the Republican Party are the other clowns that he leads around by their noses in the Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey Circus (now defunct, the same as their party) or in some little circus just touring around Florida and piling into their clown car until the clown cops rush into the arena and take them all off to clown jail!! "22 clowns, freaks and perverts all in a row", according to someone such as you and other Connedserviletives, who can't even see and admit the clownishness, freakishness, and perversion of your own Republitards, doesn't even come close to stacking up to all of the Donald's and the rest of his flunkies' buffoonery!!! If you can't even see the ridiculousness of Trumpelstiltskin and his party, how could you possibly judge that about any other people?! That's like not being able to see, with a visor on, a nuclear explosion, but just a candle's being lit looks like a forest fire to you!!
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kimberly
Saying "no, you are" is as lame and childish a response as I've had in a while. Conservatives by definition are the adults in politics. I see you aren't one.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Kimberly, correcting your and others' childish views here is the responsibility of we few adults in this blog. I realize that your childishness appears to be "mature thinking" and "wisdom" from your childish and immature perspective and my response to your incorrect "thinking", dealing with you down on your level so that you could "understand", sounds like "No, you are" to a little girl such as you. I understand. We have to make allowances for and humor such people as yourself!! Conservatives could hardly be the adults in politics when all of you show no adult discernment about the Donald and swallow all of his lies to and manipulations of you hook, line, and sinker, which no actual adults (Liberals!) do. But you can't help being the way that you are, being the victim of severely stunted intellectual and comprehensive growth!! We understand, but still your situation is very sad!! Poor confused thing!!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Condescension and patronizing toward our immature intellectual inferiors, such as yourself Kimberly, is part of our responsibility toward you and the burden that we bear in dealing with such as you. Conservatives are by definition very immature and unintelligent people or you couldn't possibly continue to fall for the same lies and stupidities over and over again from Trump and other conservatives and your notoriously lying and fallacious Republican party.
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kimberly
Speaking of kids...did anyone see that 8-year old spoofing AOC? Hilarious. And yet some liberal extremists started death threats against the poor kid. If that doesn't show how infantile these socialists are nothing does.
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Carl Elfstrom
Those who oppose Republicans are mostly stupid, ignorant, illiterate retards, some of whom which probably even mistakenly think they are christians, or want others to, by talking about biblical fairytales, ignorantly adding parts to the stories that are totally unsubstantiated, as are their verbal attacks of the only good political party this nation has ever had.
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kimberly
Guess what....Trump won. And will win again. Then Ivanka will become the first woman president in 2024. I can't wait to see liberals cry again. Was hilarious to see brats kneeling and incoherently screaming in the middle of the street when President Trump's numbers came in.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Kimberly, "Guess what... Trump won. And will win again. Then Ivanka will become the first woman president in 2024" is just another example of this childishness and immaturity in you GD Conservatives and Republicans, like little kids saying "Trump won, na na na na na!!" and your pipe dreaming of "Ivanka's becoming the first woman president", as though you expect America to have a Trumpelstiltskin dynasty from now on, with one descendant of the Donald after another, just because he got fraudulently "elected president". Even some of you Trumpophiles are starting to wake up to the truth about that liar that you made "president" and won't vote for him and make that same mistake again!! With even some of your own drones not voting for him and all of the other people that he has pissed off not voting for him, he definitely won't get a second term and will be written into history as just a fluke and embarassment to the country!! As for Ivanka's "becoming president", wake up and smell the coffee!! She has even less knowledge about running a country than any of these other candidates that you are complaining about do and nobody to turn to for learning about running the country, since it is quite obvious that her "father"-lover Donald can't teach her anything about it, not even knowing how to do that himself!!! It will really be bilarious to see all of you Trumpophiles crying your eyes out when a Democrat gets elected, for real, as our next President!!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Correction: it will really be hilarious (not bilarious) to see all of you Trumpophiles crying your eyes out...
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kimberly
We aren't that childish. Beware what you ask for. There are far worse people than President Trump being patriotic and serving this great country. And 22 of them are the circus folk of the socialist party.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Kim, everything that you dislike is automatically, therefore, Socialist. The Democratic Party isn't the same as the Socialist Party, except to dishonest and mentally disabled persons, such as yourself, who indiscriminately lump everything together that you don't like under the label of "Socialist". You aren't even sincere in your statements here, but are just playing games because that is all that you ever do and this blog is just a big game to you!! As for the 22 Democratic candidates for Presidents, I'm also not going to waste any more time trying to get you to see that Trumpelstiltskin is the biggest clown of them all, only to have you say that I'm saying "No, you are", because you can't ever honestly look at him and see him as he really is and are just a lying female dog in heat about him, too!! The word for that rhymes with "itch". You figure it out, if you can!! So, go on and live in your dream world!!!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Kim, you conservatives are definitely the most childish people in this country and world!! Your not accepting and admitting that (and playing games about it!!) doesn't make it not true! You don't accept the truth of any actual truth in the world and so, of course, don't accept the truth of conservatives' childishness and clownishness, either!! Trumpelstiltskin is worse than any Democrats running for President or anyone else that you could point to, in order to deflect attention away from the Donald and yourselves.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Kim, so you do admit to being childish, but just "not that childish", according to you?! Well, that's a start, anyway, and we'll get you to admit the rest of your childishness in time and see how your childishness is far worse than other people's! We're making progress on you, anyway, and that's good to know!!!
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Rev. John D. Partin
"Speaking of kids"? Why, Kimberly, was somebody talking about you, since you and other conservatives are the biggest kids in here?!! There are no more childish, gullible, and suckerish people in the world than all of you GD conservatives and Republicans, since you keep falling for anything that Trump says over and over again and the rest of the Republican party's lies!!! As for what anyone else is doing to any kid, what does that have to do with what all of you and Trump are doing, which is far greater than that incident (which you only use, as you always do, to deflect attention away from what you are doing!), and is happening every day, not just now and then?!! Of course, there are even liberals who go to extremes with other people, sometimes, because there are no perfect people in this world or people who never do anything wrong to other people, but they aren't doing all of the things to hurt other people that you conservatives and Republicans and Trump are doing to hurt other people: separating children from their families at the border with Mexico, telling over 7,000 lies since he stole the Presidency (according to The Washington Post) with the help of the outmoded Electoral College and hypnotizing and brainwashing all of you drone Trumpophiles (not winning the actual popular vote, as Hillary did), putting a pedophile into the White House because he has had sex with his own daughter Ivanka, etc!! Have you looked into getting on any of those Klan and neo-Nazi web sites to spew all of your garbage in those sites, since this site is for people who are accepting of other people and so not for you and your ilk, and give all of us a break from your BS?!! We don't go on your Klan and Nazi web sites and talk to them and so show us the same consideration and don't come in here spewing your garbage and just stick with the Klan and the Nazis where you belong!! You call us "socialists"! Well, all of you are Fascists, racists, homophobes, and Nazis!! The difference between our charges against you and yours against us is that our charges against you are based on your actual "thinking", behavior, and words, whereas your charges against us are just based on name-calling and bigotry against anyone who is different than you are or dares to disagree with you!!
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kimberly
Read Karl marx.....you're a socialist
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Rev. John D. Partin
Kimberly, if you mean that if I read Karl Marx that I'll become a Socialist, then you must already be a Socialist because you have read Karl Marx, correct? If you mean that if I read Karl Marx that I'll see that I am already a "Socialist", according to you, anyway (even if I'm not), then why would I read it just so that I could "see that that is what I already am and see what you 'see' in me" and go along with your bigotry about me?! The whole point of our argument for me is my not going along with your bigotry. So, why would I do anything, such as read Karl Marx, when, according to you, that would make me go along with your bigoted conception of me?! People aren't socialists just because you "think" that they are and you, in your own "mind", anyway, are the "be all and end all and judge of anyone else's being a Socialist"!! I'm not a Socialist, except in your bigoted conception of me, but even if I actually were a Socialist (and not just one according to a bigot and racist, such as yourself!), what would be wrong with that?! The first Christians were socialists and shared everything in common. Read the Book of Acts and see for yourself! Socialists believe in peaceful sharing and living with each other, unlike Communists who believe in forced division of property and dictatorship. England and many countries in Europe are Socialist and even America is largely Socialist (with Social Security, Welfare, and other programs). If you're against any Socialism whatsoever, then don't accept any help from the government at all or Social Secuurity when you get old!! I'm not a Socialist, but it doesn't sound too bad to me. Why don't you read Mein Kampf and you will see that you are really a Nazi?! Or are you afraid that you might learn more truth about yourself than you can handle and start involuntarily goosestepping and giving the Nazi salute and shouting "Sieg Heil"?!! Really, why don't you start going on the Nazi and Klan web sites and see if their messages there please you and start putting your own messages on their sites because you would fit right in there?! Why don't you even start going to actual Nazi and Klan meetings because you would certainly enjoy them very much and you would become a brown-shirted and/or sheet wearing Nazi and/or Klanswoman in no time at all!!
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S.Ong
Just shaking my head!!!! Ugh!
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Carl Elfstrom
Talk about ignorance. Do you include illiteracy with that, Willard? Your very last word of your comment above this one should have been spelled with only one f, instead of two, which shows us good Republicans that you yourself are the one who's off. Ofcourse, it is a well known fact that on the average Democrats are far less educated. Even President Trump would tell the truth about that.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Carl Elfstrom, "even President Trump would tell the truth about that". Do you mean to say that Trumpelstiltskin doesn't just always tell the truth about everything and isn't just the living embodiment of truth?!! Don't let too many Republicans hear you talk that way or they will make you turn in your Republican Party badge and not allow you to attend their meetings anymore! Of course, it would be an unheard of event if even the Donald told the truth about anything, as you say (even if you don't know that you said it!), and might be one of the 7 signs of the end of the world (another joke, since, apparently, I have to tell you when I'm joking because you can't figure it out for yourself!). As for spelling, you ran "of course" together in your post as "ofcourse", which I believe that most Democrats could avoid doing and should fix your own spelling errors before lecturing other people on theirs. Democrats are certainly far more educated than to make all the spelling and "thought" errors in their statements that Republicans and Conservatives make all the time!
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kimberly
The first 23 black congressmen were republican. You should read up on your history before accusing people of racism. And the kkk was comprised of democrats. The "first Christians" were NOT socialists. They were united in their support of the apostles to the point they sold anything they had of value to give to the apostles but only at the time of Acts 4. It did NOT become a "way of life" for them. It was how the apostles were able to begin preaching the gospel.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Kimberly, the Republican party can't rest on their laurels that, at one time, they had 23 black congressmen and point to that forever and think that that gets them off the hook for all of the racism and conservatism since that time because nobody gets to just rest on their laurels (a fancy way of saying asses!) and point to past accomplishments forever!! No doubt, some Democrats in the past weren't what they should have been, either, with some members being Klansmen, but no more than the Republicans' very few good deeds in the past exonerate or excuse them for what they are doing today do the Democrats few bad deeds overshadow and nullify all of the good that they have done since then!! There are no people anywhere without good and bad in their pasts. "23 black congressmen" at one time, really?! And Mussolini made the trains run on time and Hitler brought Germany out of the Depression and had the Autobahn built! What's your point?! What are the Republicans doing for anyone other than rich people and other Republicans today and, more importantly, what are they doing that is AGAINST!! a whole lot of poor and innocent people, such as these immigrants seeking asylum from gangs and violence at the border?! What have the Republicans done lately for anyone but themselves and rich people?! Conversely, the Democrats, since their mistaken behavior before, have fought for Civil Rights and taken part in Civil Rights and Gay Rights and Pride demonstrations and, under Democratic Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson, the Civil Rights Bill was passed!! That bill was opposed by your "good" Republicans or, at least, not cooperated with as fully as they should have done because it wasn't for the benefit of rich people!! The Republican party is a rich people's party and all for the rich and anything that they do that seems to "contradict" that fact is purely for public relations and political purposes, the same as the Pharisees did a few good things, as even Jesus admitted, but only to be seen by men and called "good"!! There haven't even been any Democrats since their bad behavior who were absolutely perfect and sinless because there are no perfect people anywhere (even among so-called "saints"!). John F. Kennedy was a womanizer, but his good deeds outweighed his bad deeds, which is the best that can be said about anyone!! The same for all other Democrats: their good deeds outweigh their bad deeds. With Republicans, however, what little "good" they do is outweighed by the enormity of bad things they do, as demonstrated by Trumpelstiltskin at the border with Mexico!! He has made us a laughingstock in the eyes of the rest of the people of the world, as I told Lionheart, too!! There is no "saint" without a past and no "sinner" without a future!! Think of that before you start pointing out Democrats' mistakes of the past or pointing at the laurels of the Republican party!! There were Democratic good guys and Republican bad guys back in those days, too!! Let him who is without sin among you cast the first stone!! Also, common sharing of property is Communism (in case you were confused, as usual, about the definition of it and other things) and so the first Christians were definitely Communists or Socialists, long before Karl Marx!! However did they manage that without first reading Karl Marx, except by that not being a requirement of anyone's being a Communist or Socialist and because Marx didn't come up with the idea of communal sharing, which was around during the Stone Age and time of prehistoric man!! Who said anything about the first Christians' remaining Socialists, after they found out that that wasn't working for them? But Socialist for even one day or 5 minutes is still Socialist and the time spent on it is irrelevant!! Problem solved!!
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Lionheart
Ever wondered why there are no Democrats on Mount Rushmore?
Me neither!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Lionheart, I don't wonder about that, either, because Republicans are the only ones who are BLOCKHEADS!!! enough to be put up on Mount Rushmore and the only thing left to wonder about is why they wait until they die to put their gigantic busts of their heads up there, instead of all Republicans in Congress going up on Mount Rushmore while they are "alive" and staying up there, so that all of these talking heads could be together there permanently and not down here screwing things up!!! That would be better for us all!!!
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kimberly
Lion...democrats are destructive. Not constructive. Now that the party has gone socialist they are even more so.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Kimberly, so you do admit that Communism allowed the apostles to begin preaching the gospel and that Christianity began in Communism or Socialism and then merely progressed to the next level!! Well, we are making excellent progress on you and will have you completely in our "Socialist" camp and indoctrinated and thinking correctly very soon!!! This is great news!!! Bwahahahaha!!!!
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kimberly
No...they weren't socialist at all. They gave what they had to focus their work....Not decentralize it. Big difference.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Kim, so now you're redefining Socialism as to be only about "decentralizing power" when it has always been the position of you Socialists that power was to be centralized in the Soviet and Politburo? I wouldn't say that too often or loudly around your Comrades if I were you or they might make you give up your Socialist Party badge and stop coming to meetings or even report you to the Commisars!! "They gave what they had to focus the work" certainly sounds like a very apt description of your Communist revolutionary philosophy and lifestyle and its similarity to the first Christians' way of life!! I'm glad to read that you are finally coming out with the truth about yourself and aren't hiding who you are and what you believe any longer, but what first got you on the path of accepting your Communist philosophy?
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kimberly
Not power....work. Socialists want to obtain power to decentralize individual efforts....work. don't be obtuse.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Comrade Kim (as you are called in your Socialist Party gatherings), nobody could be more obtuse than you for not seeing and admitting if you do so that your Socialist party platform has always been about centralizing power and control over workers productivity!! Why are you changing your tune all of a sudden from what you stated in the party newspaper and going against the official party line?! Have you received new directives from the Supreme Soviet for the purpose of operating a more clandestine and devious plot to achieve the new world order?! That's certainly what it sounds like!!
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Frank Villari
She was under obligation to defend her client, and Biden was under obligation to work with members of Congress, whether he agreed with their beliefs or not. What's the difference. Harris seems to think she is above reproach, which is a mistake. There is not one righteous among us. Not one. Not even Harris.
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S.Ong
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Fred V Miller Captain Retired
When I see the refered to Revern I question any one to be revered in the name of religion. I have live on this earth a very long time. I have served my country in time it's of need, I have served the community of man and I question the term Revern. I assoume that the use gains right by the works dechiples of Christ. The first requirement of thouse of you that assume the title is tolarence and respect . My review of the positions exhibeted by those that have formed the voice of hate cryies out . Hate is a distructive process of self destruction. There is no room in the discorse of disscision for thouse that preach words of hate. I do not refere to myself as a reverand, I am a servant in the family of man.
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Rev. John D. Partin
So, Sherie F. Ong, if you agree with Frank Villari here that there is not one righteous among us, not one, and, hopefully, with Jesus' teaching "Let him who is without sin among you cast the first stone" and "First remove the beam from your own eye and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye", why are you, a sinner, raging hatefully and casting stones at me in every one of your posts to me?!! Don't you see any inconsistency or hypocrisy at all between your doing that and your alleged "belief" in those principles of "all of us being sinners" and "sinners shouldn't be casting stones at other sinners" and your own statement that we shouldn't be fighting with each other in here or have you, somehow, "reconciled" those completely opposite positions?! I'm just curious about your thinking on that. I'm not a Christian (precisely because of what I have seen and heard of in Christians and their contradictory and inconsistent behavior, such as yours) and so have no problem with returning hate for hate and casting stones at those who cast stones at me, but what is the reason for your doing that and being inconsistent with your alleged "beliefs", which your behavior proves to not really be your beliefs at all?! I would like to know. Also, which of my positions do you actually disagree with (and just use ad hominem attacks to avoid having to respond to)?! Don't you really think that gay people should have full equality and rights along with straight people in this country and be able to marry the people whom they love, the same as straight people do, or do you think that they shouldn't have equality and those rights?! If you don't think that they should, why not?!! Don't you think that we should show compassion and mercy to those refugees fleeing from gangs and violence at the border with Mexico and allow them asylum here, while still maintaining security at our border and vetting people there?! If not, again why not?!! Why are you conservatives so heartless and unfeeling toward gay people and these immigrants coming in at our southern border with Mexico, while all the time going on about your "belief in the teachings of Jesus and Christianity of love, mercy, compassion, and caring about other people", but actually doing NONE OF THAT?!! Don't or can't you really see that denying gay people their full equality and rights and right to marry and denying these refugees asylum in this country isn't doing unto others as we would have others do unto us or loving our neighbors as ourselves or following Jesus' teaching that "Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these, my brethren (and these people are the least of his brethren!), you have done it unto me", meaning that we are doing all of those things to people at the border to Jesus himself?!! Can't you really see that and understand and accept that?!! That is what makes me and so many other people so GD angry and hateful toward you conservatives!! I have tried to be as civil and reasonable in this post as I could be, since our bickering and raging back and forth at each other isn't getting us anywhere and hate only leads to more hate, but hope that you will please answer my questions about the discrepancy between your "beliefs" that we are all sinners and sinners shouldn't be casting stones at other sinners and that we should show compassion and love for other people against the reality of your posts here to me and conservative "Christians", generally, indifference and animosity to gay people and the refugees at our border with Mexico?!! If you can answer those questions satisfactorily and logically, I will really be impressed and salute you because that is more than any other conservatives have ever been to do!!! I'll be waiting for your reply.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Sherie F. Ong, may I take your not answering the questions in my post above as evidence that you can't think of any reasonable response to them, but can only resort to ad hominem attacks on me because you can't think of any actual arguments against my positions?!! If you can come up with arguments against my positions, let's see them and see how good they are or not. Until you do so, I will just have to believe that you can't think of any reasons at all against these positions and that you have conceded the argument to me. So, prove me wrong, instead of hiding behind personal attacks, to cover up the fact that you can't do so. I'll be waiting for your reply.
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S.Ong
Instead of bashing each other over stupid remarks and political beliefs why don't you look at yourselves, your responses and have eyes to see the ignorance that is perpetuated! Rather than demarcation lines in the sand over "who" is right and wrong look for the ground that holds freedom to believe in what we all think is right. I respect others beliefs regardless of political, personal, religious or other grounds. Grow up! Find solutions not discord! Blessed be all of you!
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kimberly
Radical socialists are attacking individualism with destructive divisiveness. People are finally waking up to this attack on America and beginning to resist. Trump is part of that and will continue to be, This country will never become socialist.
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Rev. John D. Partin
S. Ong, there are some people who simply can't be gotten along with, as Jesus himself (the supposedly most loving man who ever lived!) realized in his dealings with the scribes and Pharisees and the moneychangers in the temple! If that wasn't possible even for him, how much less possible is it for all of us, who aren't anywhere even close to as loving as he was?! Neville Chamberlain wasn't able to practice this extreme pacifism and getting along with everybody with Adolf Hitler. The list goes on and on! You yourself think that I'm "narcissistic" because I criticize conservatives, to which I reply: Why aren't we all being "narcissistic", if that is your definition of it?!! These conservatives need to be criticized, the same as Jesus condemned the scribes and Pharisees and money changers in the temple, as Klansmen and Nazis and Communists and many others have been condemned and fought against! If you can't even get along with me, how can you talk about "all people just getting along and putting aside all differences"?!! This world will never be the Garden of Eden again, if it ever was, and that is a good thing because it keeps us all struggling against wrong and for the right, which a totally peaceful and loving world wouldn't do. I'm a minister and haven't misrepresented myself at all, as I just told Dennis Starr and am now telling you, because Christian ministers aren't the only kind of ministers in this blog or in the world. Quite obviously, I'm not a Christian minister and never represented myself as one and still have every right to call myself a minister. Have a good day and peace be on you!
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S.Ong
Indeed you do! I am not a per say "christian minister" as you are, I study them all! There is truth in all religion and there is also no truth! Whatever believed is respected. Spewing hate is not, attacking is not. no matter your beliefs. I am a conservative, use to be a Democrat! When you use phrases that include all you are only attempting to show boat your self! All inclusive... I think not! Peace to you as well!
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Rev. John D. Partin
Sheryl F. Ong, I said that I'm not a Christian minister and so why are you saying that I am, since I assume from your answering my post that you can read? "Not a Christian minister" isn't the same as "a Christian minister" and so why the confusion? I also never said that I was all-inclusive because I'm not and don't include conservatives, homophobes, Nazis, Klansmen, white racists generally, Black Muslims, and all others who exclude other people. I'm only inclusive of the inclusive and accepting of the accepting, but exclusive of the exclusive and unaccepting of the unaccepting. I don't respect just whatever anyone believes and neither do you because I'm sure that you hate Nazis and Klansmen and some other people as much as I do, since they are anti-Asian as well, and don't even accept my beliefs because they are different than and opposed to your own. So, what is all this nonsense that "whatever is believed is respected" when nobody does that?!! Some good can be found in even the most ridiculous beliefs, as in Nazism in their idea of "Strength Through Joy", but one good idea out of all that rubbish doesn't make the whole pile of rubbish respectable! That is ridiculous!! Some people should have hate spewed at them because of what THEY!!! do and "think", not because of anything that I'm putting on them!! If they are different than all of the rest of the conservatives or others that I'm spewing hate at, it is their responsibility, not mine, to make that difference known because I can't read minds and then to no longer associate with those people or go on saying and doing the same things that they say and do!! When they do that, my "unfair" hatred of them will cease, but until then, it will continue!! Some groups of people are all the same because of THEIR choice to be the same as the rest of that group, not, again, because of anything that I'm putting on them!! This refers to people who think or "think" that they "think" the same way, not to races or ethnic groups, since that is bigotry. It isn't wrong, therefore, to lump all people who are lumping themselves together into one category and take them at their own evaluation of themselves and indiscriminately spew hate at all of them, as long as they hold those views and have that evaluation of themselves. Homophobes are one such group and conservatives are another. When their hate stops, my hate toward them will stop, but not until then! Spewing hate at these people is definitely respectable, as it was when Jesus raged at the scribes and Pharisees and money changers in the temple and has been ever since his time toward all hateful people. I hope that I have explained myself to you well enough.
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S.Ong
Spreading your Narcism.... Got to just love the holier than thou mentality! Of course there personality disordered individuals who suffer from Grandeur... Delusional power of persuasion to reel in all who dare to push any type of doubt in regard to your altruistic being! Many prayers for the power you seek ad indeed as they say "what goes around comes around" Partin me reverend but your aura reeks of rotten... Are you that ignorant that you believe yourself so powerful as to change and educate all of us enmass? .People see right through it! Carry on... Lmbo
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Rev. John D. Partin
Sherie F. Ong, you are really just the biggest HYPOCRITE!!! in here because you carry on in your posts how people shouldn't be attacking other people here and then turn right around and attack me here with calling me "narcissistic" and "holier-than-thou" and saying that I'm "having delusions of grandeur"!!! It is, quite obviously, YOU!!! who is NARCISSISTIC, HOLIER-THAN-THOU, and HAVING DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR in here, thinking that you will convert everyone over to your opinions about me!!! If attacking iis wrong, according to you, then STOP doing it!!! and START being CONSISTENT with what you claim to believe because I don't believe that attacking some people, such as you, is wrong and will go on attacking you as long as you are attacking me or you and I can have a civilized and respectful conversation in here. Whichever of those two floats your boat is what we can go with. It's up to you. I'm just letting you know that I'm on to your game and wise to you and will go on calling you CRAZY!!! as long as you go on ranting and raving!!! I just consider the source and it's water off a duck's back to me.
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Sherie F Ong
Rev. Partin... Laughable! Not afraid to call out bull....! Acts like a duck, quacks like a duck ... Must be a duck! The only game is you trying like hell to argue with anyone! Pathetic... Your not worth responses to! Go do your gas lighting somewhere else!
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S.Ong
I see we practice censorship here.... hmmmm
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Bill Fox
There is no constitutional restriction of religious groups legally pressing politicians or entering politics. There are restrictions of "religious" laws replacing laws that have been put in place by Congress and State Governments. Accommodation of reasonable religious practices at work, are a Constitutional Right.
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Jack Mabry
She's a very hateful and racist person!
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Albert A Hernandez
America's borders are being literally overrun as thousands of illegal aliens (immigrants) pour into the U.S. practically every month. But instead of bolstering the overwhelmed and undermanned Border Patrol, pandering politicians are plotting to give them U.S. citizenship. Congresswomen Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib, are only making matters worse with their constant bashing of America and badgering of our Border Patrol Officials and the President. This is what we should be concerned about. "The alien who lives among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower...he will be the head, but you will be the tail." (Deuteronomy 28:43-44). This is happening today, right now. Have you seen the national news lately?
Albert A. Hernandez, D. Div.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Albert A. Hernandez, so, as a Hispanic-American, you are turning your back on your own Hispanic people and telling them, as the innkeeper told Jesus and Mary in Bethlehem: "No room at the inn" and "Go back where you came from because there is no room for you here!". You should be ashamed of yourself!! It's bad enough when Anglo white people say that about immigrants fleeing from gangs and violence and suffering in our detention centers and having children separated from their families and a father and daughter drowning while trying to swim across the Rio Grande to a better life, but when one of their own says that same thing to and about them, that is just despicable and disgraceful!!! In other words, "I've got mine and so to Hell with your getting a better life!!". What kind of "Doctor of Divinity" are you who doesn't even remember or consider Jesus' words: "Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me"?! It is Jesus who is being kept in overcrowded detention centers at the border and not being allowed to take a shower or given enough decent food or clothes to wear and drowning while he is swimming across the Rio Grande!! That is who this country is doing all of those things to, by his own statement here, since these people at the border are the least of his brethren and what is done to them is done to him. So, why doesn't that matter to a "Doctor of Divinity" and all of you other "good Christians" in this country, who keep ignoring and insulting these people and telling them to "go back where they came from"?!! How is that consistent with "Loving your neighbor as yourself" and "Doing unto others as you would have others do unto you" and "Being our brother's keeper"?!! It just isn't, that's all!! If you yourself weren't born in this country, but had to immigrate here, and these same-minded people had had their way about you, you wouldn't be here, either!! So, why can't you empathize with other Hispanic people who are in need of refuge and asylum in this country from gangs and violence back in their own countries?!! Economy can't and shouldn't be put above human needs!! Of course, there should be security and vetting at the border, but not to the exclusion of genuinely suffering people because of Trumpelstiltskinistic propaganda against them as "an invasion"!! Just as people with more serious injuries get preferential treatment in a hospital, so these refugees should get preferential treatment at the border and be given asylum and entry here ahead of those who are regularly immigrating and visiting.
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kimberly
They aren't refugees. Stop calling these people what they are not.
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Rev. John D. Partin
Comrade Kim, why are you and all of these other GD conservatives in here so heartless and unfeeling toward these people at the border and toward gay people, calling them both all kinds of hateful names, while going on about your "belief in the teachings of Jesus and Christianity of love, compassion, mercy, and empathy toward other people", but actually doing NONE OF THAT!!! Your attitude and behavior clearly aren't loving your neighbor as yourself or doing unto others as you would have others do unto you or following Jesus' teaching "Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me", as you should certainly be able to understand and as you are required to do if you understand it!! Why are all of you such HYPOCRITES!! and religious phonies and the same kind of hardhearted Pharisees that Jesus was always arguing with and fighting against?!! That is what makes so many people and myself so GD angry and hateful toward all of you!!! Knock off all of that nonsense!!!
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Wayne Petty
I am old enough to be your Grandfather ,Kim. I remember listening to President Franklin D. Roosevelts " FIRESIDE CHATS " on the RADIO during WW 2 ,when he was proud to call himself a "DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST " I will vote for BERNIE S & ELISABETH WARREN ! !
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Lionheart
Oh I'm so sorry you'll be doing that! I think you might find that you can only vote for one of them if they get through to the final nomination. The war can affect many people in so many different ways. I do hope you get well. Hang in there!
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kimberly
Age does not infer wisdom dear. You should have learned to correct those mistakes by now.
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Stephen Oder
What I worry abut more than Harris becoming President, which will never happen, is that some of you people vote. Half or more of you are among the "educated" ignorant and can't tell apples from oranges, can't wrap their brains around historical fact, and can do little more than scream nasty names at each other. Shame on all of you.
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kimberly
I've thought about that too Stephen. Some people shouldn't be voting. Yet, socialists want illegal aliens, prison felons, freaks, perverts and college students to vote but only for them. And they want to swing the balance in their favor by eliminating electoral voting. There are STILL websites out there claiming that Trump didn't win in 2016. I refer everyone back to the video of that idiot kid kneeling in the street after Trump won and screaming incoherently. The kid was the perfect caricature of the entire socialist party.
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Lionheart
I totally understand you Kim about the voting rights. You can even include those that speak to "imaginary friends" and "get replies back'" from them. These people are so scary. Some even speak to, and nod at, walls in Israel. Can you believe that? It's crazy....right?
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kimberly
Lion....you know I agree with you on that. Those who claim God speaks to them are liars. Those who dress in religious garb and wear their hair just so only fool themselves. And those who claim to know the devil and his ways, giving sermon after sermon about it are the most obviously fake of the entire industry.
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Lionheart
Hey.....I'm starting to get a little bit worried now. We aren't that far apart in our belief structure. ?
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Minister Ella
I have been reading these messages and replies about Kamala Harris and I must ask everyone why use such words that degrade people and their opinions. If we are to be a group of religious people of all faiths, I am pretty sure all faiths yield to kindness and that should go for the words we speak and type. I do not agree with a lot of the replies but I also do not call people names. I read them and go on. The old saying people will see how you speak and act as a reflection of your religion no matter what your religion is. Be at peace with yourself and with others.
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Minister RVW
Ella, Sadly, the comments by many who were ordained, just as you and I, make us part of a group who seem less than mature, as they stray from the topic to bicker with each other. Thank you for your healthy comment.
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LtBil Drat
I'm a 28 year retired Army Sergeant Major. My screen name is an anagram for Talibtard. Anyone in the military knows that (LT) is the lowest Officer rank that has education but little knowledge of the job and often never consulted because of that. That being said, the gas mask issue is factual. Whether the M17 or M40 gas mask is used, if the seal is bad, you die. If you insist on facial hair in this instance, then sign a waiver to your life insurance.
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kimberly
thank you for your service.
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Secretary3rd
Ms. Harris had to go along with the State about gas masks. As she has to call out everyone else as being male chauvinistic pigs and other women as little more than ladies of pimps. There are only two people in this race for POTUS Biden and Trump everyone else is spinning their wheels.
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Lionheart
The following is copied from the Department Of Homeland Security
Since U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was established in March 2003, the agency has removed hundreds of thousands of aliens, some of whom fall under the category of high-profile removals.
High-profile removals are not only a danger to communities, but they also pose a threat to the officers who apprehend them and ICE’s Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) officers who escort them back to their home countries, which may be as close as Mexico or as far as Yemen, Iraq, Rwanda and the Czech Republic.
Which criminal aliens fall under a high-profile removal status? Most are fugitive alien removals, meaning that he or she is wanted for a crime in another country regardless of the severity of the crime. Fugitive alien removals cases generally involve those who’ve committed serious crimes, including murder, rape, sexual abuse of a minor, drug offenses, alien smuggling, fraud or theft. Some high profile removals are national security risks, such as suspected terrorists, those involved in counter-proliferation crimes or are on the Terrorist Watch list and/or the No-Fly list.
... United States will not allow it’s free and open society to be used as a hiding place for another nation’s most violent criminals and human rights violators to use as an escape from justice.
https://www.ice.gov/features/High-profile-Removals
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Religion and government yet again.
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