In the days following the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, faith leaders around the world have been reacting to these harrowing events. While many flatly condemned the invasion and repudiated the actions of Russian president Vladimir Putin, some faith leaders have put forth their own unique theories about the attack.
And at least one prominent religious figure insists the Ukraine invasion is guided by God’s holy hand. Let's dive in.
The Response in Ukraine
Within Ukraine, reactions are largely what you’d expect. Epiphanius I of Ukraine, head of the Orthodox Church in Kyiv, had harsh words for the man invading his nation – likening him to Hitler and calling him the Antichrist.
“The spirit of the Antichrist operates in the leader of Russia, the signs of which the Scriptures reveal to us: pride, devotion to evil, ruthlessness, false religiosity,” he said in a statement. “This was Hitler during World War II. This is what Putin has become today.”
That line of thought seems to be common in the Orthodox Church of Ukraine. Days prior, another archbishop and spokesman for the church, Yevstratiy Zoria, told BBC that “Putin is the antichrist of our time,” he said. “Everything that he does now, is totally against gospel, against God’s law."
American Evangelists React
In the United States, most faith leaders joined the international chorus condemning Russian aggression. However, the comments of two prominent evangelicals raised some eyebrows – and drew harsh criticism.
“Pray for President Putin,” began a social media appeal from Franklin Graham, CEO of Samaritan's Purse and son of legendary evangelist Billy Graham. “We need to pray that God would work in his heart so that war—and the loss of thousands of lives—could be avoided at all cost.”
Despite calling for peace, Graham’s comments sparked outrage as many people wondered why he would ask for prayers for Putin, and not the Ukrainian people or President Biden.
But it was former ‘700 Club’ host Pat Robertson who drew the most ire – and confusion – over his controversial comments.
Is God to Blame?
“Compelled by God” was how the 91-year-old Robertson described Putin’s Ukraine invasion. He believes it's the ultimate fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
“I think you can say, well, Putin’s out of his mind. Yes, maybe so. But at the same time, he’s being compelled by God. He went into the Ukraine, but that wasn’t his goal. His goal was to move against Israel, ultimately.”
Robertson’s assertion appeared to be that the Ukraine invasion is actually part of a larger biblical prophecy in which nations of the world band together for an Armageddon battle in the land of Israel.
His theory was, unsurprisingly, met with outrage by supporters of Ukrainian sovereignty. Huffpost editor Ed Mazza called it “the worst possible take on Ukraine” imaginable.
For what it's worth, this isn’t the first time Pat Robertson has warned of the end times. He previously predicted the apocalypse would happen in 1982, 2007, and 2020. As far as we know, the world failed to end in any of those years (although 2020 wasn't a bad guess).
What do you make of these prominent faith leaders' comments? Is Putin the Antichrist, guided by God to bring about the end times, or merely a tyrant?
222 comments
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Rev Mark D
I just wonder why people like Graham and Robertson can't get throat cancer the way Val Kilmer did. I think that's what I'm praying for.
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Rev Ned
Putin’s not the Anti-Christ. The Donald could be folks. He meets a bunch of Biblical signs like the more bad things he does, the more his minions love him. They even made a golden idol of him. If you care to check it out.
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Thomas A. Follis
Putin is far from being the antichrist. He’s just an employee. I might “empathize” with Ukraine but I do not “sympathize” with them. The war is theirs. Not Americas or any other country. This is what starts world wars and corrupt politicians.
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Charles O'Connor
Put in knows he has the nukes,to back him up. He also knows no country, wants to force his hand. I AGREE HE MUST BE STOPPED, HOWEVER LIKE HITLER,IT MUST COME FROM WITHIN. I WONDER WHO WILL REPLACE HIM? IF WE GIVE HIM UKRAINE, WILL POLAND , BE NEXT. ) like Napoleon the rushian people must do Their own dirty work.
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Rev Mark D
Just the human race doing the same things that lemmings do when they get out of balance or otherwise distort outside their evolutionary lines, the species self-immolates one way or another until the evolutionary proportion is regained.
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Stan Henry Wright
I have often wondered how and when the many anti-Christs would make themselves known. Think back to Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin, "Papa Doc" Duvalier, Mao, Sadam Hussein, and even Fidel Castro and Donald Trump. My point is that each anti-Christ we may have already encountered gets more savvy than the one before, even though he may not appear so. They learn our flaws, failures and weaknesses and exploit them to their advantage. We must reply on our inner faith and draw strength from it, and keep our ears and eyes open and mouth closed, until the time comes to speak out from our soul to renounce them, one by one.
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Rev Mark D
And noticed that all of my comments are based on earthly logic. We don't need people's projective fantasies about extending their own ego as a bend over backwards religious solution or answer, it just isn't necessary and really just isn't relevant either. Psychology and world function of the natural order takes plenty of space here, without fairy tales or personal projection or cartoon Christianity or whatever else you want to put in it. Plenty of possibility on the earthly plane, or the Buddhist plane, or the naturalist Wicca plane takes care of everything just fine, without the nonsensical Christian self-stimulating type of phenomenology or cartoon storytelling. Okay, if you Christians must have something to appease your hunger for childlike fables, let's just say that the spiritual Force driving the outcomes come from jerusalem, how about that, is that good enough? Fine. So all you christians, go with a blessings of Allah.
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Rev Mark D
Plenty of people were killed in the old testament. Plenty of people were killed in the new testament. Plenty of people were killed since then. Somebody needs to knock this guy off. But nobody close enough will realize it until he starts talking about nukes and maybe even doing nukes. When he got too crazy, Caligula's own people knocked him off, and Hitler's own people tried to even though they weren't quite as wise as they should have been about going about it. But the people closest to Putin also have kids also have wives also have children and grandchildren and cousins and extended family, and they know crazy from not crazy and they know going over the line from not going over the line, even a Putin no longer does. So Putin is provoked into having to do something like this nuclear, because president Biden is stupid enough or senile enough to lose his sense of the obvious and push Putin into the corner, believe me the people around the inside of Putin don't want nuclear war, they just want stuff and money and freedom to enjoy it forever, they aren't stupid, and they'll knock him off while he's asleep.. the guy has to sleep sometime. And all the god stuff in the meantime well you can hide behind that or you can make yourself feel better behind that or you can be an atheist and not be worried about it or you can be an existentialist and figure people die and species die and worlds die because it's all physics and macro and quantum and all that universe stuff, however you want to look at it that makes you like it or feel better or make sense to you, but believe me these sociopaths know about self preservation and they are not going to sacrifice themselves when Putin goes bonkers, they will take it out before he gets a chance do mess up their party. It may involve a couple million people hurt, horrible economic consequences for everybody, torture and death and suffering for the victims of his chemical warfare and maybe one or two of his neighborhood nukes, but once he tries it somebody's going to cut his throat while he's snoring. Just like caligulas praetorian guard when they decided he was two nuts and they went and got Claudius to take over and they made him emperor. Now Putin has any brains he'll know there's a limit.. and if he doesn't because he's insane, the people around him will know there's a limit because they aren't going to let him screw up their good life. They'll remove him and put somebody else in charge. Maybe Medvedev.
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Lionheart
You're a man after my own heart Mark. You and I are on the same wavelength. I'm sure someone is talking to a wall, floor, or ceiling somewhere. There could be many more crossing their fingers and hoping for the best. As per usual it'll be the same I guess, it always is. 🙏🤞🏻
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Rev. Dr. James Jacob Showers Jr
Whether your left or right wing- 1Timothy 2: 1-2..Yes, indeed, soften their hardened hearts. Hindu, buddhist, Zoroastrian, Muslim, Taoist, Shinto, Christian, Tenrikyo, Vedic and or the like-We must all come together and pray for the souls, refugees, leaders- taken in the theater of Combat
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Daniel Lee Weiss
we indeed need to pray for putin, i suggest psalm 109 as the prayer.
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Reverend Gary
I suggest you pray for what the citizens of Ukraine really need. For one, pray for Putin to be successful in removing from the controlling positions of the Ukraine government the Radical right wing Neo Nazis, who have, for the past eight years, been violently oppressing the Ukraine citizens with brutal rule, killing any voice against their rule, to be replaced by people who will care for the people of Ukraine.
Pray also for the citizens of Ukraine to be rid of the tyrants, with people who will govern based on caring for the people, of the people, by the people.
The citizens of Ukraine are who really need your prayers.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Can it, you support a tyrant with your sentiments. This is political garbage propaganda straight from the Kremlin. Putin is evil, not good. He himself is a white supremacist. An whilst there are ethnic fascists amongst those defending Ukraine. Zelensky is Jewish and doing everything he can to defend his country against invaders. If Putin wins. It won’t be of the people or by the people. It will be by his will. Gods help you and your hindering ignorance.
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Lionheart
Prayer has been proved to be just as effective in its success as crossing your fingers and hoping for the best, hence the reason we still have children dying of cancer in children's hospitals, tsunamis, hurricanes, wars, and other disasters. 🤷🏼
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John D. Partin
Nobody has just crossed their fingers and had anything that they were hoping for happen, unlike what happens with prayers for conditions that the doctors have given up on trying to cure or heal, and were medically hopeless, and they were cured and healed after prayers were said for them. So, quite obviously, prayers are more effective than is crossing fingers, to all reasonable and open-minded and realistic people (which leaves many people here out!!). Some skeptics and atheists will always say that answers to prayers are "just coincidence" because, despite always asking for evidence of God's existence, they won't accept any evidence when it is presented to them and want to keep arguing with STOP signs that they really say "GO" and denying the evidence put right in front of their faces and eyes. So, their demand for evidence is just pretentious, since they don't really want any evidence because it would shake up their whole little world!! There isn't anything wrong with the evidence or the abundance of it, but there is something wrong with some people who are looking at the evidence and their bigotry against it and dismissal of it without even considering it, and so should save themselves the trip and even putting on that pretense!! Prayers don't always obtain what people are praying for because there are two parties to this transaction: not just what people want, but whether what they want is in the will of God. Many people pray for things that wouldn't be good for them, at that time, and conflict with another good, even if, generally, it would be a good thing. People's recovering from illnesses or injuries appears as though they would always be good things and should, therefore, always be in the will of God and things that He would grant in prayer, but we don't see the biggest picture and how that would interfere with another and bigger good, such as giving suffering people escape from their situation and far greater happiness in Heaven, which anyone who loves them should want them to have and be happy for their having. Some suffering and death aren't removed from the world instantaneously because they give us inspiration and hope for our not being overcome by all of this and our problems and rising above all of that, and test our faith, perseverance, strength, and endurance, which wouldn't be possible without this suffering and death. All prayers aren't answered because of many people's lack or shortage of faith, which is why Jesus didn't heal, in some places. When you can't even get some or many or any people at all to give what some other people ask of them all the time or ever, certainly God should be given a great deal more slack about not granting everyone's prayers all the time or ever and not jumping through people's hoops and doing tricks for them, if it would be bad for them, since He has very much higher requirements and standards for that than any people have for granting requests. Parents don't give their children everything that they ask for, if they love them, because many things that they ask for wouldn't be good for them, such as eating only cake and ice cream or other childish requests. So, all parents should certainly be able to relate to and understand God's not giving adult children, in His view, everything that they ask for, which wouldn't be good for them, either, since we don't see the biggest picture. Finally, you both would first have to have hearts in order for anyone to be a man after your own heart, but having no heart for faith and for refugee people from Central America coming into Mexico to try to gain asylum in this country because they aren't from your class or ethnicity or color aren't any indication of your having hearts!!
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Rev Mark D
Lionheart, you're a man after my own heart (assuming of course that you're a man in the first place, if you're not that's fine with me but I don't want to make the assumption). In a world full of below average idiots you're at least average and possibly even better. Salud!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Rev Mark D If God is all powerful and almighty God has control over man and man does not have free will.
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Rev Mark D
EVIL IS A CHOICE. Man has free will.
Why bother about God when Putin is his own work and responsibility, and the rest of the humanity is also responsible for what is. Anyone who does not realize this is not human, but a monkey...less, actually.
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Reverend Gary
@ Rev Mark D There is no evil. This is a construct.
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Rev Mark D
Why do so many run madly and flock to the idea that it is wrong to expect that if there was a God, there should be evidence? What's so terrible or unacceptable for there to be evidence supporting the belief, and if there is not, then maybe there is no God after all? Why is that so hard to tolerate that people generate such habitual seizures and clown fits and tantrums over the mere idea, much less that the proposition that there should be evidence is reasonable? Does everybody really think the world is a child's cartoon?
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Richard Darwin Richards
these atheists trying to disprove God that they allegedly don't believe in is both hilarious and sad.
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JORGE TERAN
What about to pray for Palestina, Yemen, blacks, indians and latins in America, Africa all, Somalia, Central and South America?
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Ursula C Hart
Can one not just pray for resolution without having an ‘enemy’? Are we going to continue this polarization of ‘us’ versus ‘them’? When will we all learn that we are all mirrors of one another and that peace, true peace, begins in our own hearts?. Tend to that and if you have time left over because you are ‘finished’ with yourself, and that log in your eye is gone, then sure go seek out the specks in other peoples eyes. 💕🌏🌍🌎💕
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Reverend Gary
Hello Ursula, I have a favor to ask of you.I make this comment not about your comment but to ask if you ever saw the longer message I posted? I responded to several of others comments and I have been posting comments for a very long time throughout the U L C blogs and none of them appear. So if you did not see my other comment I would appreciate you letting me know. Thank you.
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Ursula C Hart
No I do not see any of your other post. I know I had to post mine three times before it showed up. So perhaps there’s a glitch on the site.
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Reverend Gary
If you believe that you also believe EVERYTHING people post on facebook, twitter, or other "social media" is never censored, blocked, removed, canceled, sanctioned. This site is highly censored, blocked, canceled and sanctioned. Allow me to demonstrate . . . .
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Reverend Gary
Ursula, Thank you, I will continue to post.
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Reverend Gary
As an interesting post script, when making any comment, such as the thank you I just posted, if you return to the location of your post you cannot see your post for several hours or days. Have you noticed this?
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Reverend Gary
I have attempted to communicate with the owner of this site to no avail and none of the posts in those attempts have ever been visible.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Reverend Gary The site owners are ignoring you for a reason. Ask yourself why.
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Reverend Gary
They are indeed paying very close attention to me evidenced by censoring my comments, most of which you and all the others have not seen.
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Reverend Gary
This is one of the messages that were never allowed to be seen:
Actually this is not “news” it is gossip, pure, simple gossip. Something a child of 10 would write. It is like every other piece on U L C, not truthful, is not thoroughly researched and is loaded with all kinds of assumptions and innuendo, presented to make people become highly agitated and create divisiveness. Whoever the U L C employee or representative is that chooses to upload this to this site is only doing so to create intense agitation, anger, hatred and deepen divisiveness.
My request to whomever selected this gossip and all the other sophomoric rumormongering already on this U L C site to replace this “blog” with something befitting an all inclusive spiritual organization that U L C claims to be. Something motivational positive and intended to have a positive influence and effect on all peoples lives.
AND TO ALL OF YOU READING ALL THE SOPHOMORIC RUMORMONGERING ON U L C WHO RESPOND TO THIS ~ Why?!?!
Why do you stoop to the level of uneducated, immature, angry children?!?!? These “articles” are insults to our intelligence! Why do you feel uncontrollably compelled to feed the flames of anger divisiveness and bigotry by responding? Why do you feel you must bla, de, bla, de bla, spouting verbal diarrhea, no different than the lies, rumors, innuendo that CNN, MSNBC, ABC,NBC, CBS, Facebook, Twitter, et. al. air every day!
IT IS SIMPLE:
The only reason the person responsible for choosing to upload this gossip to this site is to have the effect that we all are seeing in every one of these articles, highly agitated, angry, and create venomous divisiveness. Don't we have enough of that from CNN, MSNBC, ABC,NBC, CBS, Facebook, Twitter, et. al. 24/7?
You are . . . all of you . . . much better that the mass media, than these rumormongering gossip “articles”that are designed to create intense agitation, anger, hatred and deepen divisiveness.
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Reverend Gary
Ursula here is an example of a message Ii posted but noone ever saw:
The Bible tells us that,
“a person who stirs up division, after warning them once and then twice, have nothing more to do with them, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.”
"What you sow, you shall reap"
"What goes around, comes around"
"Be careful what you say and think, as it will be visited upon your own life"
“If you do not study history, then you are doomed to repeat it”
Stand back, all of you, and take a look at the divisiveness all these blogs on U L C are creating! Is this even remotely what we are about? Do any of your want to be remembered by the divisiveness, the anger, the hate you help create at the direction of the leader of U L C?
Critically analyze the titles, headings and questions posed by the U L C staff uploading these “articles” and you will notice a very distinct purpose in those. It is all designed to elicit an emotional reaction, to create divisiveness, to create anger and hate.
What is your reaction?” The U L C does not want you to intellectually contemplate and consider the issue, they want your reaction, your anger, your hate and that is what they are getting. Why do you stoop to the level of uneducated, immature, angry children?!?!? These “articles” are insults to our intelligence! Why do you feel uncontrollably compelled to feed the flames of anger divisiveness and bigotry by responding? Why do you feel you must bla, de, bla, de bla, spouting verbal diarrhea, no different than the lies, rumors, innuendo that CNN, MSNBC, ABC,NBC, CBS, Facebook, Twitter, et. al. air every day!
IT IS SIMPLE:
The only reason the person responsible for choosing to upload this gossip to this site is to have the effect that we all are seeing in every one of these articles, highly agitated, angry, and create venomous divisiveness. Don't we have enough of that from the major “news” agencies?
You are . . . all of you . . . much better that the mass media, than these rumormongering gossip “articles”that are designed to create intense agitation, anger, hatred and deepen divisiveness.
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Reverend Gary
Or how about this comment?
Ministers, Reverends, all religious leaders, this is not who you are, not what you represent. All this does is create division, anger and hate. Is this what you want to create? Is this what you really want to be a part of?
Unless you have been living in Ukraine for the past ten years, you have no clue as what is happening there. Even if you had lived there for the past ten years you would be just as clueless as all the citizens of Ukraine. During that time what has been happening to them is a mirror of what has been happening to the citizens of the United States. All our government, from the federal level to the individual cities and towns has been infiltrated and taken over by communists (liberals, democrats, socialists whatever they call themselves) since the end of WWII. The U. S. A. is in effect now the U. S. S. R., United States Socialists Republic! Those of you who remember where you were when President Kennedy was assassinated have lived through this transformation! And you all will deny it 100%!
Pause. Remember what life was like in the 50's the 60's the 70's the 80's the 90's to today. It has changed drastically. Those of you who were in the military in the second half of the 1900's will easily see the drastic change.
The Ukraine citizens are facing the same thing! Almost. The infiltration in Ukraine was done by a very well organized radical right wing Neo Nazi organization that has a vicious strangle hold control on every citizen for the past eight years. The people cannot even think about protesting, they will be arrested and shot just for comments against the government in conversation. And if you ask the Ukraine citizens about the Neo Nazi organization running their country, they too will deny it.
Both countries have been lied to for decades about what is really happening.
Before Putin advanced into Ukraine, he made a television broadcast world wide explaining the situation in Ukraine was untenable for the Ukrainians becoming a concern for the rest of Europe and the world and he would be moving in to free the Ukraine citizens from the radical right wing Neo Nazis.
The atrocities being committed are organized and committed by the Neo Nazis. There have been many news reports coming out of eastern Europe interviewing Ukraine citizens fleeing to safety outside Ukraine. The western news agencies are not at all reporting the truth about any aspects of the actions of the Russians. It just would not fit their narrative of “The Big Bad Russians.” The eight bio weapons labs in Ukraine established and funded by the United States, are critical items for the Russians to capture and gain control before the Neo Nazis release the wide range of bio weapons on the world.
I invite you all to read a book by Mark Lane titled,"Rush to Judgment" The #1 bestseller that dares to reveal what the warren report concealed about the assassination of John F. Kennedy. You do not know that when the President traveled outside Washington D.C. the military, every branch, was placed on alert. Standard operating procedure. When President Kennedy traveled to Dallas, the military was NOT placed on alert.
You A L L . . . EVERY ONE OF YOU needs to PAUSE . . . and do a lot of deep searching within yourself to determine why you are constantly being a part of the problem, the division, the anger, the hate in responding the way you do to all these U L C blogs, which are in themselves divisive, create anger and hate. Then you need to do an even deeper searching for news sources that report the truth. Mass media news agencies world wide have been systematically lying for centuries.
But don’t believe me, do your own research, you will have to dig deep well outside of the normal news media venues. When you find one news source that says, "Hey this is the truth!" Continue to look for more news of the same subject and when you find at least two more independent sources that say , "Hey this is the truth!" and it supports, corroborates the data, you have the truth, the truth that YOU found. I have been doing this since 1984, yup that's right, no coincidence at all. Read the book published in 1949 by George Orwell, watch the B & W British movie of the same title released in 1956. Orwell nailed it three quarters of a century ago!
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Reverend Gary
I will return later to read your reply, Usurla. Thanks.
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Reverend Gary
Take some time and read all these comments made in this one "blog" and tell me these are made by humans that are not creating divisiveness, that are not angry, that are not hateful? Is there something in all religious teachings about what you think about talk about and feel strongly about is what becomes your life? When you real all these comments, on any of these blogs, how do you see these humans making these comments? Humans that are a part of a solution for the original posted blog?
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Robert James Ruhnke
Reverend Gary, you’re doing nothing but repeating utter nonsense. The government is owned by corporate oligarchs, who are in now way communist. Russia hasn’t been communist in 40 years. Putin is a Billionaire Oligarch. Whilst he was KGB, he’s a white supremacist with a Christian cudgel.
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Reverend Gary
@Robert James Ruhnke, et al, people do not realize events of the past couple of centuries through the current time that are transpiring world wide are not political at all. They are of a far greater scope than everyone can imagine.
Yours and everyone on this site sources of information are not providing accurate information, all information. This you all will not know until you remember who you are. Provided you choose to remember you will realize this when you do remember. You all can easily remember when you choose to do so. It is all about each one of you, the individual.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Remember what? That we are actually some kind of angel in human form and that earth is dome kind of prison planet? That Christianity is the way to unlock our celestial form in order to do battle with cosmic evil? I’d say you’re the one with inaccurate superstition based conspiracy jargon of the worst kind. Goddess help you.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Also. The fact you haven’t called out Fox News, News Max, or any right wing talking head. Tells me that you’re lost on a delusional conspiracy theory path that’s more political based that spiritual. You project gossip while spreading outright lies. Be better. Grow forward and heal your mind, Gary. You owe yourself that. Stop wasting your life devoted to blind hatred. Goddess Bless you.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Putin believes he is Christ, and has the nuclear weapons and stated he will use them to prove it just as it says in the Bible.
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Alexander Arends
There is nothing wrong with praying for your enemies to have a change of heart. As far as Pat Robertson is concerned, who knows, maybe he is the AntiChrist. Put him in line with most of the other televangelists.
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Lionheart
I understand what you mean, and it’s a very nice sentiment, but actually, there’s currently no evidence whatsoever that talking to a wall, a floor, or a ceiling, does anything, and it never has. There is a very well done saying that is very true. “Nothing fails like prayer”. If prayer really worked, children’s hospitals would be empty by now, wars would be ended, starving children wouldn’t exist. The success of prayer is matched only by those who cross their fingers hoping for the best.
We are all basically on our own, and it’s totally up to us to try and help because nothing supernatural will, and never has. Thank you for kind thoughts though Alexander.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Lionheart You are so right. Just look at all of the kids who died because parents trusted in prayers to heal a sick their sick child and the child died. It's far more than lived. Church cemeteries are filled with the bodies of dead children.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Don't you think that's what the Eastern Orthodox Christians are doing? They believe you are the Christian relation and that there's is the one true Christian religion. Could they be right? Putin can make fire reign from the sky with all of nuclear bombs his has and we have no way of preventing it. Christ Putin has stated he will use then as it is stated in the Eastern Orthodox Bible against other religions. That is the world of God, according to Putin.
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John D. Partin
The Devil can quote Scripture for his purpose!! If there is ever a rotten hearted bastard who doesn't cover over his intentions and thoughts with references to God and large amounts of Scripture verses, to make himself appear "holy" and "harmless" and "beneficial to society", that will be a much bigger miracle than the parting of the Red Sea, changing of water into wine, walking on water, multiplication of loaves and fishes, raisings of the dead, and all the other miracles put together---and far less likely or believable!! Satan himself can appear as an "angel of light' to deceive people far easier, and so Putin and his devilish ilk do so, too, for the same reason.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin Just as the Devil can quote Scripture for his purpose it appears you do as well. How is one to know if YOU are not the devil quoting scripture? According to Eastern Orthodox Christin religion Putin is performing miracles just as Jesus did.
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John D. Partin
The Devil quotes Scripture for his purpose, not God's purpose, because he wouldn't ever quote it for God's purpose or to agree with God. That is how we can tell who is quoting Scripture. The Devil never agrees with God. That is how you can tell that I'm not the Devil because I'm agreeing with God's purpose, assuming that you even know Scripture well enough to know what God's purpose is and the difference between Satan's purpose and God's purpose, which you are certainly very confused about!! The Eastern Orthodox Church must be as confused as you are about God's purpose, if they think that Putin's bombing Ukrainians, and starving them and killing them, and making them flee as refugees to other countries are "miracles" because those are certainly not miracles or anything other than war crimes and horrors, and could only "think" that "Putin is like Jesus" if his committing war crimes and horrors were the way to do it and are that confused!!!! As confused as you are about it, too!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin I think you are confused if you agree the Devil is quotes Scripture for his purposes why are you agreeing with the Devil?
God's purpose in the Eastern Orthodox Religion is to cleans the earth of the undesirables like you. This is why God has trusted Putin with nuclear bombs and the ability to strike London in 15 minutes and the US in 20. God has also made sure Putin can't lose as the West and the US doesn't have the manpower, equipment and technology to stop Putin. In God's eye, even if Putin loses the war on Earth he will have a place in heaven with God as it is stated in the Bible.
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John D. Partin
It isn't agreement with the Devil to be against Putin's ordering the bombing of Ukrainians and turning their cities into rubble, starving them, killing them, and making them flee as refugees to other countries. That is agreement with God, who tells us to love our neighbors as ourselves and do unto others as we would have others do unto us and Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me. Putin agrees with the Devil by doing all of those things to people and defying God's commandments not to do those things!! Are you Putin's apologist and press agent?!! Why are you always agreeing with and "justifying" and promoting Putin and going along with everything that he is doing in the Ukraine right now?!! How can you approve of all that, unless you are agreeing with the Devil, because approving of all that death, misery, and destruction in Ukraine is agreement with the Devil?!! You are the one who is in agreement with the Devil and just accusing me and other people of what you yourself are actually doing, but can't see or admit that because you are too indoctrinated and entrenched in your programming and "thinking" to ever do that!! You won't even be able to understand my post back to you here!! That is just more reason for me to call you a MORON!!! because only an IDIOT!!!! like you would stay stuck in your idiocy when the proof of its being idiocy and the truth is shoved right up into your face and in front of your eyes, and go on arguing with a STOP sign that it really says "GO"!!! You are one of the willingly brainwashed and blind and a modern hard-hearted Pharisee, whom Jesus called whited sepulchres and a brood of vipers!!! None are so blind as those who will not see!!! It isn't God's thinking to call any people "undesirable" or purpose to want them "cleansed from the Earth". That is the Devil's thinking and purpose, since he was behind the Holocaust of the Jews and has been behind every other ethnic cleansing and pogrom in history, and would be behind a nuclear World War III, if it happens, because he hates the human race (including YOU!!!), and wants us all dead and thinks that we are all "undesirable"!! Satan hates the human race because God told him that he and all the angels would have to honor man as the Crown of Creation, and Satan, in his pride and anger, said that he would never honor "this animal born in a bed, made from the dust of the Earth", while he was born of fire and the spirit and was the covering cherub and the most beautiful angel in Heaven!! So, he hates man and everything else from God and rebelled against God and was cast out of Heaven into Hell!!! Satan hates himself, too, despite himself, because he also came from God. Putin doesn't have nuclear weapons because that is God's will, but because that is Satan's will, and if he Putin were to use them, that would be Satan's will, too, not God's will, since Satan wants our destruction!!! Why are you so eager for this nuclear World War III to happen, if you aren't in agreement with Satan, since that is Satan's will for us?!! Putin doesn't even believe in God or Heaven, for the 10,000th time, no matter what he says for gullible people like you, and so isn't interested in going to Heaven, and will be "happier" in Hell (or as "happy" as anyone ever gets in Hell!). Heaven would be Hell for someone who doesn't want to be there, which is why Satan got himself kicked out!! There will be no winners in a nuclear war (neither Putin nor anyone else!), but only losers!!! God doesn't want Putin in Heaven, either, until he repents of his sins and asks forgiveness and turns away from them!! You know nothing about the Orthodox Church or you couldn't have posted this garbage that you have posted here today!! It doesn't matter who strikes first in a nuclear exchange because the other nukes will be coming and destroy the first striker, too!!! It is really pointless talking to you anymore because you are too stupid to understand anything!!! Go on in your idiocy and delude yourself to your heart's content, but don't waste any more of my time, until you smarten up, if ever!!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin You say God tells us to love our neighbors as ourselves and do unto others as we would have others do unto us and Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me. Then you call others morons and idiots which means you are calling yourself a moron and an idiot.
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John D. Partin
Jesus called the Pharisees whited sepulchres and a brood of vipers because that is what they were and wasn't calling Himself a whited sepulchre or a viper by doing that, since He wasn't either one. So, following His example, it is also right for me to call a spade a spade and you a MORON, which you are, and not be calling myself that because I'm not. That is loving you as I love myself and doing unto others as I would want others to do unto me and Inasmuch as I have done it unto the least of these, my brethren, I have done it unto Jesus because I would want that said, if it were true, which it isn't, about me to wake me up, which is why I say it to you, about which it is true, to wake you up and get you to come out of stupidity, out of love. There is no more contradiction or violation of love in my calling you moron than there was in Jesus' calling the Pharisees whited sepulchres and a brood of vipers because that is love to try to wake Pharisees and you up about yourselves!! So, with all the love that you deserve and that I can muster, I tell you STOP BEING A MORON!!!, if you can do so and come out of that!!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin You say only what just what you want to believe and don't understand the meaning and the word of God's. Then you insult people who do not think like you. That's the work of the Devil, not Jesus.
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John D. Partin
I can't be doing the work of the Devil, if you say that "the Devil doesn't exist", since it is impossible to work for someone "who doesn't exist". You don't understand the meaning and the word of God, if you "think" that bombing Ukrainians and turning their cities into rubble, starving them, killing them, and making them flee into other countries is what God wants and that this immoral Putin is a "Christian" and "doing the work of God" and that "God gave him nuclear weapons so that he could destroy the world!!! What an IDIOT!!! you are!!! I don't insult you or, really, just tell the truth about you because you disagree with me and don't think like me, but because you disagree with God and don't actually think at all!! That is the work of God, not the Devil, as it was when Jesus denounced the idiots called Pharisees and their disagreement with God, too!!! Smarten the Hell up, Dumba** Rabid Spinner!!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin If you say you can't be doing the work of the Devil than you must be the Devil according to you the Devil lies and deceives people.
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John D. Partin
You are agreeing with the Devil by agreeing with Satan's lie that "God wants to cleanse the Earth of undesirables" and that "God considers any people undesirables", instead of His dear children, even when they don't love Him or believe in Him. You are agreeing with Satan's lie that "God gave Putin nuclear weapons for him to destroy the world", to defame and insult God, instead of agreeing with the truth that Satan gave Putin nuclear weapons in the hope that he would destroy the world, which Satan very much wants because he hates all human beings, including YOU!!! You are agreeing with Satan's lie that Putin is "an Orthodox Christian", again in order to defame Christianity and the Orthodox Church, especially, instead of agreeing with the truth that Putin is the enemy of Christianity, as his invasion of Ukraine and many other things prove!! You are agreeing with Satan's lie that "God is urging Putin to destroy the world with a nuclear war", instead of agreeing with the truth that it is, clearly, the Devil who is urging Putin to destroy the world and that Putin doesn't even believe in God or Heaven and so has no interest in going there!! So, why are you agreeing with the Devil, who hates you, too?!! Oh yeah, of course, because you are a MORON!!! What else could you do?!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin I'm not agreeing with the Devil, because I don't believe there is a Devil. Can't agree with something that's not there.
Your beliefs are wrong. Putin is NOT the enemy of Christianity, in fact he is a Christian and doing God's work.
God told me you are wrong and just a messenger of the devil. God says your words are not to be trusted because you are not a good Christian.
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John D. Partin
You don't need to believe that the Devil exists in order to be agreeing with him because he couldn't care less if you believe in him, since your unbelief has no effect on his existence, as long as you are "thinking" the way that he tells you to "think". Satan works better when people don't believe that he exists because, then, they aren't on their guard against him. You can delusionally tell yourself all that you want that "Putin isn't the enemy of Christianity and is a Christian and doing God's work" and that "God has told you that I'm wrong and a messenger of the devil", and anything else that you need to tell yourself, since that is just MORONIC and sick people, such as yourself, always do, but the reality of Putin's actions in Ukraine and throughout his rule in Russia and God's saying "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you, Love your neighbor as yourself, and Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me" and Putin's not following any of those teachings proves that he isn't a Christian or doing God's work and is the enemy of God and Christianity!!! Why are you calling me "a messenger of the Devil" when you don't even believe that there is a Devil, since I couldn't be the messenger of something that you say "doesn't exist"?!! That is just more evidence of your being a MORON!!! Go back to sleep and refresh your overworked and undercapable "brain", though it won't help, and give yourself and us a break from all your garbage and yourself!!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin Cold you be the Devil? Your words, actions, thoughts and Bible quotes are certainly not that of a Christian but are of the Devil. How do we know you are not THE Devil? What proof can you offer? Until you we will believe you are the Devil.
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John D. Partin
Until the ULC publishes my reply to your post here, it is pointless for me to go on trying to answer you, just to have it not appear again and wear myself out over something like you, because they see this, that or the other "reason" not to do so!! On the chance that they will publish my reply to you this time, you are still a MORON!!!, as your post of March 18 at 7:44 p.m. asking "Are you God?" and now saying "Could you be the Devil?" proves once again even more, since no sensible person confuses God with the Devil or says that any flesh-and-blood human being is the Devil, who is an entirely spiritual being!!!! Go on in your idiocy, since it's all that you are capable of doing, Dumba** Rabid Spinner!!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
There must be a reason why ULC will not publish your reply, do you have any ideas? Is it because your reply is just not nice. You could be the Devil and so far have not provided any proof you are not.
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John D. Partin
You really already know what you are, apart from your lies to yourself about yourself or me, and so there is no need for me to keep going over and over that with you and wasting any more time on something like you. The proof of what you are is every one of your statements here and in all other threads!!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin Thank you for finally agreeing with me. A good honest Christian would never say utter the words you have; only the Devil would do that.
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Jeffrey Stoecker
I read that the Russian Orthodox Patriarch likened Ukraine to the "Prodigal Son." I don't remember anywhere in that parable where the father sends goons to kick in his son's door -- to burn his house, kill his family, neuter him and drag him back in chains. Maybe that's the Russian Bible... That would explain a great many things.
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Be
Truly life imitating satire. Thank you for the chuckle 😄 This is some top tier level trolling, well done! You sound very convincing.
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Amber Fry
Seriously, that whole family needs to be put through a psych evaluation. Half of them should have been put on medication and quite possibly sanctioned long ago.
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Nicholas J H Baldwin
I am very new to this organisation, and a great deal of the comments were rather extreme to my eyes,however being a Brit and rather despising our PM and his ultra right wing corrupt government. I had hoped for a more pugnacious response to the Putin war than the one the World leaders have come up with. we have rather let the Russians of the hook.
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Ronaldo
If Mr. Robertson is correct that the prophecies as mentioned in Ezekiel are coming true then, according to Ezekial Chapter 38, we will have to give up our modern engines of warfare and go back to armored horses and fight with bucklers, shields, and swords. This is assuming the God's prophets were infallible, and their words were accurately translated through the ages. I don't make those assumptions, but I know some who do.
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Michael Barton
Pat's just preaching end of times, which lots of religions do. We still don't know all the facts about the Ukraine situation, except that big business it treating it the way they did with the pandemic and they're joining together to vilify Russia. My main concern is how global companies are acting.
One thing to keep in mind, Ukraine has an "installed" government. So not really the Gov. of the people of Ukraine. Who knows, for all we know, Russia is the good guy here. We won't have all the details. For the most part, we should stay out of the situation and let the powers that be negotiate peace.
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Jeffrey Stoecker
"For all we know, Russia is the good guy here?"
You're being a moron. What global conspiracy are you going to blame that on?
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TheSound.com
Human free will created this. God has nothing to do with it. We responded to the ultimate in kindness, by torturing and murdering Master Jesus, even though he forgave us. Not satified with that horrendous evil, we created structures that put psychopaths in charge, who kill millions. Do not make any choice to follow evil in any form. Use discernment to guide you AWAY from evil. Find compasion and love in your heart by following the teachings of Master Jesus. You already know what to do. Young children who are nurtured learn to be kind, share, and take care of others. Some choose to be evil as they grow older. We are the probelm, ALL OF US, when we put these evil people in charge.
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Gary Richard Noce
Pat Robertson needs to be taken off the air !!he does not represent anything of our Lord Jesus Chris. He has joined with the evil one. Our Lord does NOT want innocent women and children murdered because of a very sick man that does not believe in God or human life. Robertson's blasphemy is his sin. This war was a choice by putin. Ukraine has done nothing wrong to provoke this genocide, nothing. I'm so angry and totally disgusted to hear supposed Christian leaders lie and commit great sins. The blood of these innocent victims are now also on Pet Robetson. I pray our Lord keeps the Ukrainian people safe in His Love and the He will end this evil genocide!
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Viktor Kuznetsov
Путина нельзя сравнивать с Гитлером. Фашисты так не бомбили города с мирными жителями как войска Путина. Я живу в Украине и своими глазами вижу что от некоторых городов уже ничего не осталось, их стёрли с лица земли, они остались только на бумажных картах местности. Путина и Антихристом назвать тоже нельзя, он психически тяжело болен и его душа гниёт от демонических существ. Молитва ему уже не поможет. Зло просочилось через каждую его клетку и льётся в мир гнилой рекой. Душа его давно мертва, а место её заняло зло.
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Lionheart
Я так сожалею о том, через что ты проходишь, Виктор. Я даже не могу представить, что вы, должно быть, видите на улицах. Я желаю вам, вашей семье и всем вашим людям добра и надеюсь, что вы сможете помочь тем, кого вы видите на улицах, которые борются, насколько это возможно.
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John D. Partin
Translation into English, please, because we aren't from Russia or your post being read in Moscow.
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Viktor Kuznetsov
Putin cannot be compared to Hitler. The Nazis did not bomb cities with civilians like Putin's troops. I live in Ukraine and I see with my own eyes that there is nothing left of some cities, they were wiped off the face of the earth, they remained only on paper maps of the area. Putin and the Antichrist cannot be called either, he is seriously mentally ill and his soul is rotting from demonic creatures. Prayer won't help him. Evil has seeped through every cell of him and is pouring into the world like a rotten river. His soul is long dead, and evil has taken its place.
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Lionheart
Джон Партин временами очень грубо говорит, так что, пожалуйста, простите его высокомерие, как это делают многие. Но спасибо за перевод для него. Это было мило с твоей стороны.
Я желаю вам всего наилучшего и надеюсь, что вы скоро увидите мир.
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John D. Partin
Hitler did have Warsaw bombed after the Warsaw uprising and bombed London during the Blitz and Battle of Britain, and some other cities. So, he did bomb some cities and killed civilians. As for the rest of your post, I agree that Putin isn't the anti-Christ, but is just a demon influenced person and seriously mentally ill and his soul rotting from demonic creatures and his evil pouring into Ukraine and the world like a rotten river!!! Amen to all that!!!
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Rev Mark D
Personally I pray for Putin...I pray for him to meet God soon.
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Lionheart
Any particular god that you'd like him to meet? Vishnu? Thor? Just asking for a Hare Krishna friend of mine.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Putin is an East Orthodox Christian. If you know your Bible then you know of the Four Horsemen. Ever see Putin riding a horse? And what do the Horsemen bring? The Last Judgment, setting a divine end-time upon the world. Remember Putin has nuclear bombs, 4,500, and has said several times he will use them. He has far too many for Western Europe and for the United States to destroy. It takes just 15 minutes for a nuke launched from Russia to hit the UK. In the Eastern Orthodox religion Putin is second coming of Christ. In 30 minutes DC, NY, LA, and every other city in the US could be vaporized.
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Lionheart
Yes I know the story. It's interesting how people like to assign, or match up, modern day events with stories and tales in the Bible. I guess anyone could do that with other stories in books and then call it prophesy. Thanks for the explanation.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
There is a wonderful YouTube video by a college professor who gives many examples of how the Bible has been incorrectly translated or intentionally altered over the centuries. Well worth watching if one would like to know how Christians are misunderstanding the stories in the Bible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfheSAcCsrE&t=1657s&ab_channel=BartD.Ehrman
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Robert Wilson
Carl,Carl This is for carl above your not loved by every one I think your E V I L ! But god loves you carl.
God bless all ukraine children we have to help more
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Lionheart
Yes we do have to help more Robert because it's plainly obvious that no omnipotent God is going to do anything. No God ever has! In fact the Christian god, that's written about in that book, has caused more mass destruction, murder, and mayhem, than any other mythical god, and STILL people worship it, and ask it for help by praying to it, as if it's really bothered. Will people ever really wake up? It's not listening, and if it is real, and is really listening, it couldn't care less, or it would do something. In the meantime, we are on our own and it's left up to us to do as much as we can.
As for E V I L, Robert, forget Carl, read your book, and look no further than the deity you worship. Just sayin'
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Daniel Len Strickland
First, if the invasion is a sign of impending Armageddon then there is no amount of prayer going to speed it up or stop it. What is foretold in Revelation WILL occur in God's good time.
Second, making the invasion a US political statement is nothing more than selfish BS. There are just as many Republicans just as outraged by the actions of Putin as there are Democrats. Fact is that if the invasion resulted in our gas prices being cut by half, most people would be all for it. Sad, but true.
Third, even as a republican, I pray daily that our government would straighten up. And, yes that includes the President.
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Lionheart
Sadly, I don’t think the current President knows what day it is. I’m glad he’s not looking at going in there with military equipment, and troops, he’d only leave them behind when he pulled out. As for the laughing hyena off a VP, she isn’t much better.
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John D. Partin
We are all even happier that Trumpelstiltskin isn't still "President" because he never even actually acted like a president and didn't know what day it was or where he was while having press conferences, and insulting reporters was his "idea" of having a press conference, and he walked out of them!! He wouldn't be doing anything against his bunk buddy Putin-it-to-him because of his invasion of Ukraine, since many people and myself are certain that Mad Vlad had to have something on him to blackmail him, to make Trumpelstiltskin go along with him and support him even over our own intelligence agencies at Helsinki, and probably a sex or gay scandal about him!! You don't even want to bring up vice presidents, considering Mike Pence's stoogishness!!! Kamala Harris has him beat all to Hell on doing the Vice Presidency correctly!!!
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John D. Partin
Putin considered and still considers Trumpelstiltskin to be a useful idiot for his support for him then and now, while to all of us, except his brainwashed and hypnotized drones, zombies, and slaves, he is a useless idiot!! His idea of "being President" was to sit in the White House residence and watch Fox "News" and play his Twitter account or go out and play golf or have protesters driven out of Lafayette Park just so that he could have a photo op in front of a church whose pastor didn't want him there and hold a Bible upside down, not to mention all of his other irresponsible and cruel actions toward immigrants at our southern border, inciting insurrectionists on January 6, 2021, and telling thousands of lies during his single term of office (thank God!!)!! Talk about someone who doesn't know what day it is or where in the Hell he is!!! And this idiot is still held up by his idiots as "the greatest president in our history"!! Just because of a few good things (the economy, basically) that even this moron was able to figure out to do, the same as Hitler was praised as "the savior of Germany" solely because he was considered the antidote to Communism and that was enough to excuse all of the other evils that he brought down on Germany!!! What an incredible inversion of reality!! His idiots even want Trumpelstiltskin back again as "President" because these idiots never get any smarter or come out of their brainwashing and hypnotism!! Enough said and time wasted on this anti-Christ, traitor, criminal, liar, and self-centered and rotten-hearted FOOL!!! Yes, I'm considering running for President of his fan club!!
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Rev Nolan
I’m not going to ask anyone to pray for anyone because I believe that there exists an Almighty Algorithm who’s in control of all things, and that all things fulfill Its Purposes and champions Its Causes.
Granted, I have my hopes that things go a certain way, but I trust that the will of the All Knowing knows what’s best and that It knows better than any human on Earth.
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Daniel Joseph Morse
What is everyone's fascination with gawd? My current wife has the same dis-ease concerning rational thought. I don't KNOW how or WHY I am here. Nor do I care. A) It's only a movie. B) It's only a temporary duty assignment. C) As Robert A. Heinlein wisely said "The final evidence is eventually examined by everyone".
Perhaps I am an antichrist. I'm certainly against "christ", christian teachings and any organized religion.
In the meantime I do my best to keep the peace as well as I may.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Well Morse, one can say I'm quite ostentatious, and that has everything to do with being gawdy.
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Reverend Kurt
What has the Ukrainian war have to do with religion? I t does not make any sense or good calling him a mythical figure from a very dubious piece of fiction. Why has no one focused on reality? On the here and now? Putin is a chess player, he would have planned his moves well in advance. What are his real motives?? we will never know as we are only exposed to the Western propaganda/ social conditioning. We may never know the truth. In the past the despots of history have been after money/resources and power. Is Putin any different?? We do not know the true agenda of the conflict but it is beyond doubt that an armed invasion has never been necessary. There is a weapon called Electro magnetic Pulse.(EMP) which knocks out all electronics, including the internet, cars and banking, power etc. These weapons can be targeted to geographical locations. The result of this sort of military action is that there are no direct civilian casualities. Sure there will be casualities when people find that they have to live like our ancestors of 100+ years ago. This is the time the invader marches in with shielded vehicles and offer food , medicine and the necessities of modern life after their demands have been met. There is no longer any need for destruction. Putin would be well aware of this strategy, so I ask all to seek the truth, find out what the true agenda is. Let us seek the truth. Rhetoric has been the foundation for the last 2 world wars. Why not seek the truth and work to avoid a third world war? NOW, in history, is the time that the silent majority stood up and demanded real truthful answers and solutions.
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Bradley Ray Eberenz
GOD is in charge! Period! We as Christians and children of God are to follow what he wants for us..which is happiness Love and Freedom.we should trust in the Lord and have faith that all will happen as it should in GODS time. We all fall short of perfection and often strive for perfection,but God Loves us so much he gave us his son Jesus for a short time on this earth to teach to love and encourage us as Gods children to be a part of the beautiful family of Gods children. I believe we should pray not only for people we love but also the enemys of this world as it says in Matthew 5;44...But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you,May we all practice love for without it we are doomed to evil... May God bless us all AMEN
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Rev Mark D
The Antichrist would run from this guy.
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Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson
Humans do human things, like commit great evil, for human reasons, like greed for wealth and power hunger.
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Rev. Dr. G. Waldron
I lived in Ukraine for many years. These people are freedom loving. Putin is pure evil. I believe inspired by Satan. Is he mad or possessed? Franklin Graham, you are right we should pray for Putin, you just have the content wrong. I pray every night that God will remove this evil man.
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Lionheart
Clearly, your omnipotent God doesn't want to. Perhaps your God doesn't exist! If he exists, he must know about it....right, so why are you asking him anything that he doesn't already know? If he ever does answer your prayers, after many men, women, and children have been horribly killed, perhaps you could ask him to heal all the sick children in hospitals.
Let's face it, if there was ever a god, or gods, they clearly couldn't care less. The sooner people wake up to that the better they will be, and spend less time speaking to a wall, floor, or ceiling and be doing something more constrictive with their time, like visiting the sick and afflicted. Helping the poor. You know...something that no god seems to be really interested doing.
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Weldon Joe Horton
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David Cox
Hating on God again...people that don't know the bible because they are scared to read it for themselves...all they want to do is listen to other fools who talk bad about the bible...read it don't be scared. Educate yourself.
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Lionheart
As an ex-minister I’ve read it, and studied it, and that’s the reason I no longer believe.
I don’t hate God, how can I hate something where there is no demonstrable evidence it exists. I don’t hate fairies and elves either, David, even though there are some that believe they are real, just like you believe your god is real.
Happy new year, David.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
That sounds like a Christian hex, Waldron. I thought y'all were supposed to turn the other cheek. Or, does that apply only when it's convenient. That seems to be the typical Christian way.
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Brien
Really? Are we seriously going to debate fictional reasons to explain the actions of a narcissistic psychopath? We have never seen those in history before, right? That is what happens when you allow one person to weild absolute power without any checks and balances. Mythical beliefs or voodoo beads will not solve the issue. There are only two possible outcomes, and both are messy.
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Dan Anderson
Does not the king James Bible say that the antichrist would be loved and revered by many? It appears that Mr. Putin is despised by most of the world. Therefore, he would not qualify as an antichrist.
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John D. Partin
Hitler was and is hated by most of the people in the world, but that doesn't stop him from having been an antichrist, and so Putin's being hated by most of the world doesn't stop him from being an antichrist, either!! Trumpelstiltskin is also hated by most of the world, too, and only loved and idolized by his brainwashed drones and zombies, and so he would definitely qualify as a type of antichrist, too!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin You are mistaken.... Hitler was not halted by many, he was welcomed and voted into power. Many American's loved Hitler and wanted to bring his ideology to the US, including Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and the radio evangelist Father Charles Coughlin. In the US Nazi/Hitler monuments were built (and still exist) and there were many pro Nazi rallies in the US. After the war it was the US who documented horror of what the Nazi's had done. But what the US didn't due it talk about the mass murder and attacks in the US. Or Stalin's mass murder. Or the mass murder by the British. Or the mass murders by Pol Pot, Khmer Rouge and the Japanese.
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John D. Partin
If there had ever been more than a few scattered nuts (Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and "Father" Charles Coughlin) or anything even close to approaching a large minority of people, who supported Hitler, common sense tells us that we wouldn't have gone to war against him. You don't have common sense yourself to make your statement here, but ask someone else who has common sense and they will tell you!! "Many pro-Nazi rallies" aren't just a gathering in Madison Square Garden by the German American Bund under Fritz Kuhn and a few other gatherings, except to someone like you who is grasping at straws to "prove your point". That is why you desperately drag in all the atrocities that you did for that purpose, too!! Poor Douglas!! How very sad!!!
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Condy Irvin
With the laptop and the diary being corroborated do you feel comfortable supporting Biden? At the least it shows that he’s tainted by foreign countries and a very good chance that he’s a pedophile. Since most politicians are corrupt it doesn’t really matter who’s in office,whether it’s Biden or Trump. Trumps policies were a little better for the country even if he is a jerk personally
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Condy Irvin
With the laptop and the diary being corroborated do you feel comfortable supporting Biden? At the least it shows that he’s tainted by foreign countries and a very good chance that he’s a pedophile. Since most politicians are corrupt it doesn’t really matter who’s in office,whether it’s Biden or Trump. Trumps policies were a little better for the country even if he is a jerk personally
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Lionheart
It's a book Dan. What does it say in the Harry Potter books? Dumbledore says some wonderful things too.
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Dan Anderson
Lionheart - No argument.
What I am stating is that with so many people attempting to claim that Putin is the "Antichrist", again, it does not fit the so-called qualifications.
This is similar to those who claim about "these are the end times." They do not look at what their holy book even says. Wars & rumors of wars? When in the past 3,000 years has there not been such issues? Technically, wars are at an all-time low. Earthquakes? The number and severity of earthquakes is down over the past 100 years according to the U.S. Geological Survey and CalTech in Pasadena, CA.
Personally, I would find the writings of Jules Verne to be more reliable than the twisting some people do with their own Bible.
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Lionheart
You are so right Dan. Jules Verne made much better prophesies. Thank you for your comment.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Nostrodamus made the best prophecies. So let's all sit back, smoke a joint, and listen to Nostradamus by Judas Priest, so we'll receive an extra special blessing, and clearly see the future.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I'm loved an revered by many Dan, even right here on this blog. Does that enough qualifications for me to be an antichrist? If so, shouldn't I get some special powers, like a wizard? That sounds like a lot of fun. I've heard it's better rule in Hell than serve in heaven. But I won't do it until I get those special powers.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Those who believe in Satan should pray to him for Putin's demise and destruction, so the war will end. Praying for his healing is stupid, and evil. Putin's death would only be a good thing.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Dan Anderson Yes it does. Try Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Putin is in the East, so was Hitler and Stalin.
Titus 2:13 Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
How do you know Putin is not our great God and Savior Jesus Christ and and antichrist? Can you tell me how you know? Many people think he's Christ and has returned.
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John D. Partin
Many people believe all kinds of stupid and ungodly things!! I'm talking to one of them right now here!!! But your believing that doesn't make it true!! Neither does anyone else's believing any ungodly thing make it true. Matthew 24:27 says "as the lightning comes from the east...", meaning similarly to, not exactly the same as, or there is no reason for the comparison. Lots of people are in the East. That doesn't make them all Christ or anti-Christ, logically speaking. Christ and anti-Christ aren't the same. That is how sensible people know that Putin (an antichrist) isn't Christ, even if they seem the "same" to such a confused person as yourself!! Learn how to discern and pray for the spirit of discernment and to use logic or you will keep on making stupid statements, such as your post here!!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin In your mind are sensible the ones who read the Bible and believe in a Christian God? You do know Putin is a defender of Christianity and by many is considered Christ. There is no doubt in their minds Putin is Christ and they consider you the non-sensible one. So who is correct? Right now Putin has God on his side. Or do you think Putin is the anti-Christ? If Putin is the anti-Christ how come God almighty and all powerful hasn't defeated Putin? Could it be you are the one who is confused and isn't a true believer of what is written in the Bible?
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John D. Partin
Putin's actions, not his words, prove his attitude toward Christianity and defense or lack of defense of it, because actions always speak far louder than words, and his ordering the continued bombing in Ukraine isn't the action of someone who is defending or believing in Christianity, but of someone who is the opponent of Christianity and defier of Christ's teachings to love our neighbors as ourselves, and do unto others as we would have others do unto us, and Inasmuch as we have done it unto one of the least of these, our brethren, we have done it unto Christ, and by this will all men know that we are Christ's disciples: if we have love for one another. Putin couldn't be following those teachings and be ordering the bombing of Ukraine that he is ordering because they are, quite clearly, mutually exclusive and contradictory. If you really "think" that he can order bombing of Ukraine and be loving his neighbors as himself, then you prove that it is YOU!!! who is confused about this matter, not me, because I see very clearly that bombing and loving aren't the same thing!! Every unloving person covers over his actions with the pretense of "love" and "following and defending Christianity" in order to make himself look "good", from the Pharisees to Hitler, saying that he was "following the Lord by defending himself against the Jew". If you believe just Putin's words and not his actions, you prove yourself again to be confused!! Putin doesn't have God on his side just because he may say that he does because God isn't on the side of bombing innocent and inoffensive people!! Many people's foolishly believing Putin to be "Christ" and his actually being Christ are two entirely different and polar opposite things!!! Putin's actions prove that he isn't Christ or a defender of Christianity and those who don't look at his actions and so believe him to be "Christ" prove themselves to be confused, wrong, incorrect, and not sensible!!! "By their fruits you will know them" is how all sensible people can tell that Putin isn't Christ or a defender of Christianity because ordering bombing isn't a fruit of believing in or defending Christianity or being any part of Christ!!! That I have to endlessly belabor this very obvious truth and common sense with you (and still don't get this through to you, as your reply will prove once again!!!) is more proof of your confusion and not being sensible, since I wouldn't have to keep going over and over this again with a sensible and non-confused person. I'm certainly not confused and am a true believer in what is written in the Bible (when it is actually from God), which is why I know that Putin is an antichrist!! God isn't going to stop Putin or anyone else from doing evil because that would be interfering with their free will, as all sensible and non-confused people already know!! Now, come back with more of your questions and confusion because you still aren't getting it or understanding anything that I have said!!! How can anyone not get this or agree with obvious logic, common sense, and reason, if he isn't a complete moron?!!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@ John D. Partin Your logic is flawed. Putin is an Orthodox Christian and believes your your Christian belief to be false and the work of the devil. Putin believes in the Bible and that he is the second coming of Christ. And just as it says in the Bible there will be death and destruction with fire reigning down from the skies. Christ Putin can make it happen as he has many more nuclear bombs then the west and Christians stop. The Eastern Orthodox Christians believe they are doing God's work in eliminating the Christians who are not following the one true Christian religion which is Eastern Orthodox.
Could it be you've been following the wrong Christian religion your entire life and blew it?
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John D. Partin
Well, as I wrote above, only a MORON!!!! could possibly not understand that Putin's actions prove that he isn't a Christian, and you are, obviously, that MORON!!!! here!! Putin isn't an Orthodox Christian or any kind of Christian when his actions prove that he isn't a Christian, since actions speak louder than words and "by their fruits you will know them", which is Jesus' standard for being a Christian. Putin's actions aren't the fruits of actual Christianity, except to a MORON!!!, such as yourself!!! I won't waste any more of my time talking with something like you, which would be just casting pearls before swine and Jesus said not to do that!!! Go borrow a brain or a piece of one from someone who can spare it or get a brain transplant and come back and talk then because you are worthless talking to as you are right now!!!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin Are you God? Who are you to judge the believes of another Christian. The Bible and Christian religion is what is guiding Putin's actions. Instead of calling people who know more than you a moron, why not take a moment and learn from them as that is what a "good Christian" would do. Remember Putin has God on his side and more nuclear missiles than Eastern Europe and the United States can destroy.
You call me a moron for knowing the Bible? I would suggest reading the Book of Revelation. You do know about the first four of the seven horsemen, don't you? Have you seen Putin on a horse? Don't you think he represents one of the facets (conquest, war, famine, and death) of the apocalypse?
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John D. Partin
Somebody doesn't have to be God in order to see the obvious right in front of our eyes and call a spade a spade. Jesus Christ Himself said for us to look at what people are doing and hear what they are saying and see if they are matching up to Jesus' teachings and example, and call them out as wrong when they don't. "By this will all men know that you are my disciples: if you have love for one another"."Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father in Heaven". The Bible and Christian religion aren't what is guiding Putin's actions or he wouldn't be disobeying and ignoring the teachings of the Bible and example of Jesus by not loving his neighbors (the Ukrainians) as himself by bombing their cities into rubble, destroying their food supplies, killing them, and making them flee into other countries!! Neither Putin nor anyone else can make up Christianity to suit himself, but has to follow Jesus' definition and standard of being a Christian or stop calling himself a Christian. I call you a MORON!!! because you know less than I do and all other people who actually know the Bible do, and don't even know the verses that I just quoted to you about loving neighbors as ourselves, and not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of our Father Who is in Heaven, and Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me. So, Putin is bombing Jesus, too, as His saying teaches, by bombing Ukrainians, and no true Christian would bomb Jesus!!! Only a MORON!!!! and somebody who actually knows nothing about Christianity doesn't know about those basic requirements of and teachings for all Christians, and that makes you a MORON!!! I will stop calling you a MORON!!! when you stop saying MORONIC!!! things and start knowing what everyone who isn't a MORON!!! already knows. Until then, I will continue to call you that. I have already learned what good Christians would do and it isn't bombing cities or making them refugees or killing them!!! That is obvious to everyone to whom to whom it can be obvious, and since it isn't obvious to you, there is only one very obvious reason for that: you aren't smart enough to get it!!! So, prove me wrong about you by your starting to get what every other smart person gets about this or admit that you aren't very smart at all!!! Putin doesn't have God on his side because he isn't following God's teachings of love, forgiveness, mercy, and compassion for his fellow men and women and children. Putin's having nuclear weapons doesn't make him on God's side because that isn't the requirement for being on God's side. The great number of his nuclear weapons won't make him win in a nuclear war, since there are no winners, but only losers, in a nuclear war, or save him or Russia when the other nations retaliate and destroy Moscow, St. Petersburg, Vladivostok, and all other Russian cities, in mutually assured destruction (MAD!). That is why Putin won't use his nukes, unless he is insane and suicidal!! Two men standing in a basement up to their knees in gasoline, with one having a box full of matches and the other one only having 3 matches, shouldn't either one strike a match because it only takes one match to blow them both up and kill them!! That shows that the discrepancy between the numbers of nukes between the U.S. and Western nations and Russia doesn't make any difference because the U.S. and allies have enough to destroy Russia, too, in retaliation. The fallout from that war will kill everyone not killed by the bombs!! That is why it is INSANITY!!!! and would be more MORONIC!!! actions by Putin!! You don't know the Bible!! That is why I call you a MORON!!! Many men ride horses, not just Putin. The Four Riders of the Apocalypse aren't something that God approved of or in line with the will of God, but just what He is telling us will happen, because Satan will be bringing that upon the world. So, even if Putin were the rider of the white horse of the apocalypse, which he isn't, since that is giving him too much credit or blame, that still wouldn't make him in line with God's will. This has been wasted on you again and another exercise in futility because you aren't smart enough to get it, but I tried, anyway, at least.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin There you go with name calling again. That is something God and Jesus would not approve of. You appear to be a Christian in name and not in action.
Are you really that daft? If Putin fires the first set of nuclear missiles do you think mater to him if we retaliate with our missiles? As Putin has stated over and over in his speeches he doing is doing God's work to eliminate those God considers to inferior like you. What does Putin have to lose launching nuclear missiles? The Bible states he will live with God for eternity and have ever lasting life. Get your head out of your Bible and try reading an Eastern Orthodox Bible.
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John D. Partin
Jesus called the scribes and Pharisees whited sepulchres and a brood of vipers, and said "you are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do", and asked them "how shall you escape damnation?", and so He, quite clearly, knew that calling other people names, when the names fitted them, wasn't a violation of Christianity. Since it wasn't a violation of Christianity for him to call those people those names, it isn't a violation of Christianity for me to call you names that fit you, either, and doesn't make me "Christian only in name, not action", but very much Christian in action, following Jesus' example and teachings!! You are stupid and daft to believe anything that Putin says about "his doing God's work" for any reason, since he is a known liar and will say whatever he has to say to get foolish Russians (who only watch State run propaganda TV "news" and don't have access to other media on the internet) to believe him and support him!!! Those Russians have the excuse that they only watch propaganda on TV, but what is your excuse when you are in this country and have access to many more media news outlets than they do, unless you are also only watching American propaganda TV (Fox "News")?!! Yes, if Putin isn't totally insane and indifferent to his family's and Russia's survival, it does matter to him that the West would retaliate and destroy Russia, too, and so he won't send his missiles flying because that would cause Russia's destruction, too!! Putin has his family and all of Russia to lose and so won't do it!! Putin is an atheist and a former KGB member and probably still a Communist, at heart, and so doesn't believe in God or living eternally in Heaven, no matter what he says for gullible people, such as yourself and those Russians who believe everything that he says, to get all of you on his side or out of his way!! What part of Satan can appear as an "angel of light" and Satan's ministers, such as Putin, can appear as "ministers of righteousness" and the Devil can quote Scripture for his purpose didn't you understand?!! Your still not understanding that is why I still call you a MORON!!!!, as Christ tells me to call you, and why you will go on being a MORON!!! until you do understand those and many other things!! The Orthodox Bible and the Catholic Bible are the SAME!!! Bible!! They don't have a different denomination because of a different Bible, but only because of disagreements with the Catholic Church over traditions and Bible interpretation. So, the Orthodox Bible says the same things that the Catholic Bible says and it would be pointless to look in their Bible for something different because it isn't there!! It definitely isn't in the Orthodox Bible that bombing Ukrainians and turning their cities into rubble, starving them, killing them, and making them flee as refugees to other countries are "miracles". So, any Orthodox Christians who believe that those things are "miracles", if you weren't making that up, too, as you are, would be as MORONIC!!! as you are!!! Go numbly fumble your way back to bed, little Doug Doug, and give your overworked and undercapable "brain" a rest and, hopefully, wake up refreshed and able to think better in the morning than you can right now and have up to now!!! Pleasant dreams, little boy!!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@John D. Partin Think anyone listens to your or reads your posts? Your piety to the Roman Catholic Christian has blind to the other religions. You think your religion and God is better than Putin's and Eastern Orthodox religion. In Putin's mind you and your religion is inferior and Putin's God is willing to wipe you off the face of the earth. Putin's God gave Putin nuclear warheads. There is nothing you and your God can do to prevent Putin from successfully using nuclear missiles. If you kill him, you have just made him a hero and a God for eternity. Think about it.
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Reverend Gary
John, I AM god. And I know you and all others writing on all these blogs on the U L C site have the capability, resources, and power to rise above the divisiveness created here and around the world, to remember who you are. It is not something that will spontaneously happen, you all must make that choice. And now this most generous planet is making that easier for all humans, with a transition occurring that has never before in all eternity happened. When you all take the initiative and seek to learn about the laws of physics that apply to this world presently, you will be able to learn about the law of attraction, like things attract like things. This can be the first step in a great number of steps that will allow you to remember who you are. Put aside the bickering, the name calling, the things we have all been taught about "religion" and dive deep into spirituality. Spirituality of this nation, the spirituality of this world, the spirituality of this Universe.
You all can do this and you are the only one who can. You must do this, only you can do this. When you do and you remember who you are, you will be in touch with the resources abundant beyond what you now perceive, you will have the power to comprehend and use beyond what you now perceive. It is all about you, each individual one of you, you are the only one that can do this, no one else can do it for you or to you. Each and ever one of you individuals will comprehend there is no, YOU and ME. There is no out there and in here, we all are interconnected. Only YOU can rise to this challenge no one else can do it for you or to you. Each and ever one of you individuals will have to do it yourself.
Go on the journey, down the rabbit hole, you will not regret it.
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Rev Mark D
Oh Douglass, than why doesn't every of the relatively small 145 million Russians have their own 50 square mile worldly palatial estates populated with the stolen ethnic treasures rifled from all the former countries the Soviets have taken and that Putin himself has had rifled to his estates and those of his KGB buddies? How many swimming pools does Christ actually need, how many more hamburgers can he eat in a day? Is that how you think Christ would behave?
I think maybe you've been smoking your socks again.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Rev Mark D have you studied Eastern Orthodox Christianity? Try reading it. According to Eastern Orthodox Christianity every Russian is not entitled to their own estate. It is so written in the Roman Catholic Bible but changed over time if you know your Bible. This is why Eastern Orthodox Bible is the True word of God in Putin's eyes.
Instead of smelling your sox and inhaling deeply trying learning about and reading an Eastern Orthodox Bible to understand how Putin is thinking. He's in a position where he can't lose. Think about it. The west can only lose with Putin.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Stupid and ungodly huh, Partin? Lol awful big judgement of you to pass about others. The reason people disagree with you is because you’re a condescending patronizing Jackass. Not to mention you stupidly contradicted yourself for clout and to insult another person. For once we agreed that to say Putin is an Antichrist gives him too much credit, but then going off on someone and saying he is. Goddess Bless Your heart.,
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John D. Partin
And the Pharisees probably also said that Jesus was a "condescending patronizing Jackass" for calling them whited sepulchres and a brood of vipers and asking them "how shall you escape damnation?" because of their hypocrisy, along with calling him "a glutton and a wine drinker and a friend of harlots and tax collectors", and for overturning the moneychangers' tables and telling them "This is a house of prayer and you have made it a den of thieves!". So, I'm in good company and following Jesus' example. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me!! I don't care at all about anyone's opinion about me here, but only about God's opinion about me. It is better to be thought "wrong" by men than to be thought wrong by God!! It isn't any contradiction of love for Jesus to have said what he said to the Pharisees or said and did what he said and did to the moneychangers or for me to have written what I have to you and Douglas Robert Spindler because love isn't all sweetness, flowers, and light, which is Pollyannish and sickeningly sweet and unrealistic, but is very hard and rough, at times, as Jesus was and still is, and that is called tough love!! It isn't "love of insulting people" that makes me call you and Spindler "MORONS", but trying to wake you up, as Jesus tried to wake up the Pharisees, and stop writing idiotic things here, such as "a Christian doesn't have to follow Jesus' teachings, but can do whatever he wants", out of love for you and desire to restore you to sensible and right thinking. There is no such thing as a follower of anyone who doesn't do what that person said or says to do because that is actually a non-follower and a contradiction in terms. That is just basic logic and reason. If you could not follow what anyone says to do and still be a. follower of him, then all non-followers of Christ, such as yourself, could still be called "followers" and "follower" and "non-follower" would be meaningless terms. But I have gone as far as I can go and am willing to go with you to get this basic logic and reason through to you and so, if you are just going to come back with more of your distortion and illogic, I'm really not interested in any of that at all and so just don't reply to me because I won't answer any of that and keep talking that rubbish to yourself and other confused and illogical people, such as yourself, and have a good time in your little world!!
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Robert James Ruhnke
Partin, what you’re doing isn’t tough love. It’s not anything close to love. It’s gaslighting and manipulation. It’s all you’ve ever done in our conversations. Though it’s not just our conversations you do this. You do it anyone who says anything remotely challenging to your views false light. You regurgitate recycled antiquated nonsense that means nothing in the end. You make hollow apologist comments for people who did bad things in the name of god and Christ, even though it states black and white what is to be done to non believers. You’re a gross dominionist who is ruled by his ego because everything that was good died in you long ago after it was starved and beaten of true love and human compassion. You preach a false idea of unconditional love, and every venomed word you spit shows it. My little world has more in it than you have in it than the single synapse you call a brain. My little world is beautiful because it’s the real world, the one you deny yourself because some musty old book tells you ti. I get it, it’s a scary place and you have nothing else to turn to. Your choice I suppose. May the Goddess show you the love and mercy you’re so desperately missing in your life right now. ♥️☮️♥️☮️
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John D. Partin
Ruhnke, you aren't any expert on love, tough or otherwise, because you don't even admit that there is any love in Christianity at all, but "think" that it is "all hate", since that "confirms" your bigotry and propaganda against it, and are always pointing out the wrong things that false "Christians", who aren't following Christ's teachings of love, mercy, and forgiveness, have done. You prove that you are hateful toward Christianity by all of that and calling it "recycled antiquated nonsense"!! I don't make apologies at all for people who have done bad things "in the name of Christ", since they weren't true Christians, who would have been following the teachings of Christ. That is more lying on your part!! Those prescriptions for what were to be done to non-believers were written by ungodly people, who put their words into God's mouth, in order to "justify" themselves and make Him agree with them. You want to deceive yourself by saying that you are just "an innocent and inoffensive angel", along with everyone else here who agrees with you, and it is only I, according to you, who is "attacking you", while you deny your own venomous words or "think" that you "never initiate any of it". You are ruled by your ego and are a gross dominionist, and merely try to turn that around and accuse me and, no doubt, others of what you yourself are guilty of and doing!! Your statement that "my little world has more in it than the single synapse that you call a brain" is an example of your venomous words and the venom that you have initiated, too, sometimes!!! You expect to spew that venom and have nothing said back to you in return for that, which is unrealistic and unscriptural, since "whatsoever you sow, that shall you also reap"!! You talk many unrealistic things in your post, as usual, which are just evasions on your part, and too many for me to bother with answering and I told you that I wouldn't reply to any of that, anyway!! You deny yourself the real world because your false Pagan books tell you to, and merely turn your actual situation back on me or try to, if you weren't caught in it and exposed here for doing it!!! May God show you the love and mercy you're so desperately missing in your life right now, which fits being told to you by me, but not being told to me by you!!! Get it right!!!
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Robert James Ruhnke
I never said I was an innocent or inoffensive. That’s just you projecting your own insanity again. Always trying to play the Uno Reverse card in your arguments lol. They were Christians Partin. As you said, committing acts of “tough love,” or are you just a lying hypocrite who doesn’t even understand the words he’s typing. Pagans only number a million today. Christians have 2 billion or so followers and many denominations. To say I’m dominionist is just silly. Pagans have had 2000 years of being humbled, tested, and made to be put on the run by fools who don’t practice what they preach. Christians like yourself choke on the words love and mercy. I know and love many Christians who practice what Yeshua preached. Who understand that bad people do bad things first and ask for forgiveness later. And don’t make excuses for them by calling them “false Christians.” Good and honest people who understand The golden rule. Do unto others as they’d treat themselves. It’s not Yesh I have a problem with. It’s cultists like you. Who harass and malign anyone with twisted and maniacal black and white views who don’t fit their brand of thinking. Who don’t turn the other cheek. Who take Yesh’s teachings and pervert them for their own self righteous ends. In short. You’re a devil with a shepherds crook. May the Goddess light your shadowed path, Partin. May she fill your mind with peace and serenity. ♥️☮️♥️☮️
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John D. Partin
Those actually false "Christians" who were Inquisitors, Crusaders, witch hunters and burners, and committed other crimes weren't following Jesus' teachings and example of love, forgiveness, mercy, and compassion, and if those Christians that you know and love don't know that people have to actually follow what Jesus told His followers to do in order to be His true followers, they are as dishonest and illogical as you are. There is no such thing as a follower of anyone, not just Jesus, who doesn't do what the person that he claims to be "following" says or said to do because that is actually a non-follower and a contradiction in terms. Do you "think" that those false "Christians" are the same as your friends, and why not if people don't have to follow Jesus' teachings in order to be true Christians and are true Christians even when they don't?!! You can't have it both ways and your friends are Jesus' followers because they do what Yeshua said to do, but those who don't aren't false "Christians"!! Pagans are the dominionists in this world because the official acceptance of Christianity in Rome under Constantine in 300 A.D. didn't change all people instantly into Christians, and worldly Pagans, even if not religious Pagans, continued to dominate the world, since they far outnumber Christians, under the pretense of Christianity. People aren't going out and getting drunk or high on drugs or having sex outside of marriage or before marriage or committing all other sins in the world today because they are "following Christ", but because they aren't following Christ and are de facto Pagans, even if they don't think that they are. Pastors often call people who don't believe in God or Christianity Pagans, even though they aren't religiously Pagans or self-identifying as Pagans. Actions speak far louder than words about who people really are. Such actually worldly Pagans are those false "Christians" who committed those crimes that you condemn and continued the games in the Coliseum under different rules and names and their persecution of those who thought differently than they did. So, you are just one Pagan who is condemning other Pagans, just because they weren't honest about what they were, but continued their same practices!! Paganism is a religious cult in the minority that follow it and a worldly cult in the majority that follow it. As Yeshua said "Judge not by the appearance, but judge a righteous judgment". There is black and white in spiritual matters, even if some actual Pagans, not Christians, have twisted those things to their own ends, because child molestation is all black spiritually and not white. Rape, slavery, sex trafficking, prostitution, drug dealing, the invasion of Ukraine, the Holocaust, racial discrimination and lynchings, and burning of black churches and attacks on Jewish synagogues and Jewish people, and many other things are examples of what is spiritually black and dark, even though you say that there isn't just black and white!! Why are you condemning the things that some "Christians" have done, if you say that there isn't black and white? Many things that people do are also spiritually white or light, too. There is only any light or darkness anywhere if there is a standard for truth and falsehood, light and darkness, but if everyone could actually make up truth and falsehood, light and darkness, to suit himself, there would be no more truth or falsehood or light or darkness anymore, and all those things that you and I condemn wouldn't be wrong!! If people made up their own definitions of inches, feet, yards, miles, pints, quarts, gallons, and all other measurements, and everyone had a different definition than everyone else, how could there be any understanding between people about these things and what a chaotic world this would be?!! We need spiritual standards for truth and light even more than we need them for measurements of weight and distance because moral standards affect our lives far more than these other standards, since the Holocaust and the invasion of Ukraine didn't happen because of disparate weight or distance measurements, but did due to setting aside moral standards. The same for all other crimes and sins. I'm not a devil with a shepherd's crook because I insist on standards of truth and light, and even admit that there have been good Pagans, as well as bad Pagans and false "Christians". Gandhi was a very good Hindu and there have been other good people outside of Christianity. All good people everywhere are of one good religion and all bad people everywhere are of the wrong and evil religion. This is as far as I can go with you on this and as conciliatory as I can be toward you. I have made peace with one Pagan here, Carl Bernard Elfstrom, mostly, and so, maybe, if you are willing, there can be peace between you and I, too. If not, so be it and we will have it your way.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Ah, more arrogance, gaslighting, and projection. You dont know my friends, you’re a stranger to them as you are a Stranger to Yesh, and Yesh’s message. Peace is nothing but the silence between the notes of conflict that all who walk the shadowed path have in common. Regardless of what faith they claim to believe. Pagans may be earthy, celebrate sex, and celebrate life, but that doesn’t mean they endorse evil. Pagans even endorse the use of cannabis and alcohol for recreational purposes. Doesn’t make them evil. I’m a pagan who has put down the bottle and their smoking pipe because my Goddess has called for me to see the eyes unclouded. And to bare witness of everything I’ve learned so far. The fact that you keep trying to project evil onto pagans, which is lazy intellectually and spiritually, reeks of the shadowed path. To call false Christians pagans is also dishonest. To call child molesters and sex traffickers pagans is also dishonest. It reeks of your out right ignorance of people and the world. It could also suggest you have closeted racist tendencies, like many Christians. Sorry, Charlie, but Christians do bad things because their Christ god tells them that faith and asking for forgiveness is enough. At least if you’re a Protestant. Good Deeds, plus faith, if you’re a Catholic. But then, you, who constantly uses their examples and ideology (used by the inquisition no less) about hell, Heaven, and salvation. You’ve pretty much shown me that you’re a cherry picking hypocrite, blind to his own shortcomings. As are most who walk the shadowed path. For the last time. Pagans, are not dominionists. We believe in living in harmony with our world and the people in it. Some pagans walk dark paths, who scream of white supremacy and want their own corners of the earth. Some cry for dominion. Probably because they grew up Christian and had that kind of influence taught to them. It’s unfortunate. I pray they too pull their heads out of the evil they tread. They’re no different than the Christians they hate due to underlying Ideological sub texts. Antiquated and barbaric notions of superiority. The same ones they use to project control over those they’ve deemed lesser. Much like your arguments that echo the same sentiments, Partin. Whilst they project all evil on Jews, and to some extent certain Christians. You do the same with Pagans. You sound like mid-evil and enlightenment Catholics who made contact with Natives. Calling their ways pagan and evil. What I find most manipulative of your last comment was the fact that you wrote an entire paragraph about how evil Pagans are, and then want to call for Peace. And then if I say something in reply, it’s somehow me who is the problem. No Partin, you’re the one doing the the manipulation, gaslighting, and projection, all with arrogance and ignorance. I pray to the Gods that you pull your head out of the shadowed path where evil treads. I pray to all the Gods and Goddesses of love and goodness that they purge your soul of its wicked ways. May you find the true wisdom of this world which shall make your hypocrisy fade. May the Goddess light your shadowed path, Partin.
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John D. Partin
So, it doesn't make any difference how I talk to you or if I don't try to insult you because all that you still do, no matter what I do or how I try to make peace, is to keep arguing and attacking Christians, Christianity, and me, and then claim that "it isn't any of your fault" that this enmity keeps going on, but "only all my fault"!! This is just your self-justification and egotism and blindness about yourself!! I know about your friends what you have told me about them and that you say that they they are different than the Inquisitors and other inconsistent "Christians", if you are telling the truth. How do you know anything about Yesh's message when you don't practice belief in peace or being a peacemaker or other things that He advocated or commanded, anymore than those inconsistent "Christians" did or do, except in your own interpretation of them to suit yourself, the same as they did or do?!! Aren't you actually the same as them, in practice, honestly considered and speaking? You say that it is "wrong" to call so-called "Christians" still, in practice, Pagans when they continue doing the same things that they did while professing religious Paganism, after their formal "profession of Christianity", but why shouldn't people be judged by what they actually do and not just by what they say about themselves?!! Don't actions speak far louder than mere words about who and what people really are?!! Wouldn't we all be very unrealistic and gullible about people if we just took their words about who and what they are, instead of looking at and trusting the evidence of their actions for the truth about that?!! Aren't you being inconsistent when you say that I shouldn't look at the evidence of what so-called "Christians" are doing or have done to see what they really are, no matter what they say they are, while you don't mind at all judging Christians and myself as "not following Yesh or knowing the truth about Yesh" when they, according to you, don't practice their religion?!! Why that inconsistency and hypocrisy on your part, too?!! Why that discrepancy?!! Are those Pagans who walk dark paths or believe in white supremacy practicing true Paganism or are they false Pagans and influenced against true Paganism by outside influences, according to you?!! Why is it "wrong", according to you, for me to also say that so-called "Christians" who don't follow Christ's teachings and example, but still behave as they did while Pagans, are still actually Pagans in their hearts?!! That is a double standard!! When so-called "Christians" still go out drinking, drugging, partying, fornicating, and doing everything that they did before their "conversion", why should their "conversion" be considered real and why shouldn't they still be considered actually Pagans by their actions?!! "By their fruits you will know them". Actual Christians don't sin just because they believe that Christ will forgive them and they can just go and sin again, and so on and so on, but false Christians sin because they don't care about forgiveness or believe in God, anyway!! You called people not practicing Christianity false Christians yourself, when I said that they were still behaving like Pagans!! That isn't "gas lighting, manipulating, and projection, all with arrogance and ignorance", or you are doing it yourself, as well!! You write entire paragraphs about how "evil" Christians are and then claim that "only I am doing that", and brush aside any forgiveness or peacemaking, thereby proving yourself no different than the false "Christians" who did and do the same!!! Your post is very convoluted, illogical, unreasonable, and inconsistent, but I have replied to it as best as possible and more than it deserved. May the true wisdom of Christ and God be revealed to you and God light your shadowed path, and make your hypocrisy fade, Ruhnke.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Those white supremacists are just morons with bad ideas. Kinda like how you’re a moron with bad ideas, Partin. You never stopped insulting me. That’s the issue. You insult me with honeyed venom. Like how you insult every other person here who you have a disagreement with. The kind of honeyed venom I’m already immune too. Only to pride blind fools do I seem illogical. Only those who walk Shadowed paths hear my words as convoluted. They’re bad Christians, not pagans. Bad Christians are bad Christians because they use Yesh’s teaching as cudgels then ask for forgiveness later about it. Bad Pagans are bad pagans because they do bad thing in the name of their gods and use their teachings as thoughtless weapons. It’s that simple, Partin. I’m not going to threaten you with hell over this matter. I never claimed to be perfect. That’s just another of your projective arguments you’re trying to make. The arch hypocrite here is you, with your ramblings of pseudo Catholic nonsense, while the word truth chokes you. May the Goddess show you a new way of thinking and cease your incessant parroting.
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John D. Partin
Jesus, no doubt, was accused by the Pharisees of "insulting" and "using honeyed venomed words" and "being an arch-hypocrite" and "parroting" because he told them truth about themselves, the same as you "think" all those things about me because I tell the truth about you. But their accusations didn't make any of that true about Him, anymore than your accusations make any of that true about me. Not everything that Jesus said or did or that was said or done to Him is recorded in the Gospels, since the author of the Gospel of John tells us that if everything Jesus said or did was recorded, the whole world wouldn't contain the books that would be written. You accuse me and other people of "projecting" because that is your usual practice on to other people, as you just proved by doing it again here. I'm not insulting people, but only telling the truth about them, which they deliberately misconstrue as "insults", but I won't stop telling the truth about you or them just to spare your or their feelings, since smartening you up, if possible, is more important than all of your feelings. Some people's "thinking" make them morons, and I'm just noticing that about them, while they are ignoring it, and calling them what they are!! Just calling anyone a "moron", as some actual morons do to irrationally lash out for having been correctly called that themselves, doesn't actually make anyone a moron without the corroborating evidence in reality of it. Bad "Christians" aren't following the teachings of Christ, since if they did, they wouldn't be bad "Christians", just as bad Pagans aren't following the teachings of their religion (such as those racist Norse Pagans and other Pagans), no matter what dishonest and twisted and self-serving view of it you have!!! Your posts being correctly called convoluted and illogical isn't the result of "a shadowed path" or "pride blind foolishness" or any other such evasion that you use to avoid facing the truth about them!! May God open your heart and mind to a new way of thinking!!!!
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Robert James Ruhnke
The goddess opened my mind to a new way of thinking long ago. She got me to see my pride and arrogance and the projections I made. They were the same as yours. It’s how I know you walk a shadowed path. I recognize the illogic behind your statements. What’s interesting is that Yesh understood the Pharisees and their honeyed venoms, as well as their hypocrisies and wrongs. An how simpering dolts like a good game of word twister in order to fool people into believing them. If I’m a moron, it takes a Moron to know that 😉
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John D. Partin
If, as you write here, the "goddess" opened your mind to a new way of thinking long ago, why are you still thinking and operating the same way as those whom you denounce as "walking a shadowed path", except in your delusions, self-justification, and egotism about yourself?!! You don't even recognize the illogic behind your own statements or your own still remaining pride, arrogance, and projections, and so can't possibly be able to recognize any of that in anyone else!!! "First remove the beam from your own eye and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye" and "Let him who is without sin among you cast the first stone"!! You can't condescendingly talk down to anyone about what "they are doing", while doing the same things yourself. You prove yourself to be a Pharisee and playing word twister to fool people into believing you and a simpering dolt by doing so!!! How very hypocritical of you and such honeyed words from you!!! It takes a sensible person to know that you are a moron, since another moron, such as yourself, doesn't know his own idiocy and so couldn't know about your idiocy, but I do know that you are a MORON!!! Go play word twister with yourself, not with me!!!
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Robert James Ruhnke
So what do you do, More twisted parroting, and a double down of projecting. Thank you for admitting in a round about way that you’re the know nothing Moron walking a shadowed path. For someone who preaches about not throwing stones, you throw a lot of them at people. But I get it, you think that Bible verses said in a patronizing manner arent stones. I’ve already admitted that im not perfect, and that im flawed. You on the other hand don’t and talk down to people here. Not just me, Partin. Goddess bless your heart, Partin. ♥️☮️♥️☮️
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John D. Partin
What someone, such as yourself, who is NEVER!!! honest with yourself, "thinks" about what I or anyone else is doing isn't even worth considering or replying to, more than by saying that, if you even knew the difference between twisting, patronizing, being a MORON, throwing stones, walking a shadowed path, and not doing any of that, you would know the difference for yourself first. Since you, obviously, from your posts, don't know that for yourself, and continue to project and do what you accuse me and other people of doing, you can't know any of that about anyone else, either. Your view that I "don't admit that I'm not perfect" is as distorted, self-justifying, untrue, and unrealistic as are all of your other views. Go on in your fantasies and self-deception, since it's all that you are capable of doing, until you allow God to bring you out of all that and bless your heart, Ruhnke.
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Timothy Newell
When the Antichrist comes, he will be loved at first because he will be the cause of world peace. Putin doesn't fit the bill. He is an enemy of the people. Yes, we should pray for our President and his people, the Ukranian President and his people, as well as for our enemy and his people. You think every Russian in Putin's government wanted these attacks? Franklin Graham is right, we should pray for our enemy, because in the long run, God's in control.
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Jason LaBarre
Well does anyone read the Bible anymore? Putin is not the antichrist. He has not performed any miracles in the book of revelations.
No one on this planet, can predict the end of times. God is the only one who knows, and it has already been written. What Putin is doing is wrong and a tragedy. But he is only a man! A flawed man at that. All who came before him are no longer around. And the ones who come after him will not prevail either.
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Lionheart
Yes I read the Bible Jason, and thats what made me realize what a load of BS it all is. How could anyone support and worship, such a genocidal, infanticidal, jealous maniac like the one written about in that book?
I hope I get the chance to meet him one day, if he's real, so that I can punch him on his nose, stamp on his sandaled feet, and poke him in the eye, for being so brutal and uncaring, especially with little children.
I hope I don't sound too angry Jason, I have a problem with my morals being far greater than his.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I'll hold that evil god of the bible down for you Lionheart, while you punch him. If you hit him hard enough he'll fall into the underworld, where he'll be permanently subdued by Hades, and his three headed dog, Cerberus! And the world will never see the likes of him again.
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Lionheart
I look forward to your help in subduing the egotistical, jealous, idiot if he exists. I hope we get an applause from all the little children he maimed, or killed.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
But first things first Lionheart. I'd be satisfied enough to run off all of its believers from this blog, so we can seriously discuss spiritual matters, and come up with solutions to the topics they give us, without being hindered by pseudo Christian vulgarity.
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John D. Partin
The Communists and Nazis and all other authoritarian dictatorial regimes also wanted or want to run off all Christian believers or else get them to agree with them, so that they could "seriously discuss spiritual matters and come up with solutions, without being hindered by 'pseudo Christian' vulgarity". So, your and many in the ULC here wanting the same thing is just to be expected and usual for you!!
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
Partin, I wouldn't mind being the anti-christ, but won't do it before I get those special wizard powers. Nevertheless, I keep listening to Judas Priest's Nostradamus, and hoping for the best. And trust me, you've already earned an eternal place in my kingdom.
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John D. Partin
Elfstrom, my gratitude for having already earned an eternal place in your kingdom would depend on what your kingdom is. I'm certain that I wouldn't be excited about leaving this world and going somewhere even worse than it is here and out of the frying pan and into the fire! I'm also not going to trust the proprietors of that place for the real story about what that place is really like, anymore than the Nazis or any other people should be trusted, who are out to lure people into going to a place and so describe it euphemistically and far less than honestly, such as calling a death camp "a district of Jewish relocation". I have never known any people here who hate other people and have thrown a party for them, for those who are expecting Hell to be a big party, except a necktie party or another ruse to lure them in to kill or harm them, as happened to Rasputin, and don't expect the spirits who hate us to be any different or better than the people who hate us are now. That isn't really very realistic, likely or logical. Those spirits' hating us is proven by all the garbage that they keep piling on the people of the world. But, hey, good luck with getting those "special wizard powers before becoming the antichrist", and listening to Judas Priest's Nostradamus, and hoping for the best because I'm certain that you will need all the hope and entertainment that you can get!!
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Rev Mark D
Sorry, do you refer to Putin or Graham?
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Amy Varela
There is nothing positive about either of them that comes to mind.
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Rev Mark D
If anyone needed a hex put on him, it's Graham.
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Jason LaBarre
Only God knows when the end of time will come.
God, doesn't support the wicked, God supports the faithful.
As far as predictions go. None are truly accurate.
Think of it this way, if 1 day in heaven equals 1,000 of our years. Then Christ has only been in heaven for 2 days.
After being crucified, he arose after 3 days. So technically, we still have 1000 years to get our faith in place, before his coming back. There will be many pretenders to the throne. Before this time. Putin has not shown any signs of being the antichrist. He has performed no miracles, or healed the sick. He's just a misguided soul that needs to step down.-
John D. Partin
If the stories and opinions about God make Him deserve to be punched in the nose, have His feet stepped on, and be poked in the eye, certain other people who believe that that should be done to Him need to only go out when they are surrounded by armed security guards and wearing bulletproof vests and constantly be worrying about snipers and assassination attempts and having rooftops checked out for somebody up there with a rifle or, at the very least, being overwhelmed by mobs of people and beaten up and/or lynched, who are far less "understanding and forgiving" toward their faults than they are toward what is merely alleged about God!! Such things have been done to people over far less!! These people might not go along with their view that their faults actually make their "morals far greater" than God's, who was only alleged to have done those rotten things. Hearsay and unproven allegations don't even fly in human courts of law, much less in the matter of judging God, which we aren't able to do, anyway, and in the Divine Court!! You are free to make up any fantasies about what you would do to God because of those allegations, since He won't stop you from making those stories up or stop loving you, despite those stories, but if anything could actually be done against God, it would already have been done by far bigger and stronger beings than just someone having absurd fantasies in his room alone or here online, for their own or others' amusement or ego building, along with other fantasies, during the war in Heaven!! But He had them cast out of Heaven into Hell!! What they weren't able to do and still can't do, you can forget all about ever doing and need to stick with much smaller fantasies with which to amuse yourself and bolster your ego, and clean up afterwards!!
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Stacey Owens
Rev. W. Steven,
Do you think God is is using Putin as a tool of judgment toward the world? Like God used Pharaoh. What I mean is, God is allowing these things to happen to cause his elect to stand fast and trust in Him? To show Putin and all his supporters that he is not in control, but God Him self.
I say this because man can not fix the things he destroys by making it better.
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Robert James Ruhnke
Putin isn’t the Antichrist. He’s just another fascist dictator. They’re a dime a dozen in the history books. What I find disgusting is how many republicans and right wing Americans support his actions. Fascists of a feather flock together, I guess.
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Jacqueline M. Brinegar
Your enemies the Republicans do not support Putin. They are smart enough to know that Ukraine is the embodiment of corruption because of people like Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and the list goes on and on. Let's also look at the Bio-labs the CIA thought was a good idea to surround Russia with. Would you want that threat at your front or back door? There is more to the story that you are not talking about. The Republicans believe this is a distraction paid for by the global elite to distract from the bioweapon that was released unto the world and the bioweapon vax that is killing, mamming and sterilizing people around the world, but I bet you think it's a conspiracy theory. Maybe you should stop listening to the paid off main stream news. They have been paid for by Biden to lie to you daily. It's call mass psychosis. Learn the whole truth and nothing but the truth before you judge another, or you will be judged harshly.
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Ronnie Rivas-Savell
Wow. Pray for reality, science and human kind. Just wow! You’re siding with a fascist dictator over your own democratically elected countrymen. There’s a word for that. #Treason #Traitor
To deny reality we must suspend common sense.
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David W Otte
Hmm. It's all propaganda now, and there are more than two side; many more than two sides to this polyhedron of karma. CNN is virtually as opinionated as Fox, if you look closely. They sinply come at it from a different vantage point.
"Perspective: use it or lose it." ~ Richard Bach, 'Illusions' (1977)
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Rev. Rory
Good Day, Jaqueline.
Republicans are not the enemy. Democrats are not the enemy. The enemy is an autocratic dictator in Russia. He is hurting not only Ukrainians but his own people and the entire world.
Who are the global elite? Is it based on money, education or ideology? Every group has a representative so it is hard to say "global elites" and refer to a single group as they do not all have the same riches, education or ideology.
Tucker Carlson - net worth $30 million
Sean Hannity - net worth $300 million
Rupert Murdoch - net worth $20.6 billion
Joe Biden - net worth $8 million
George Soros - net worth $8.6 billion
The Koch family's combined net worth is $100 billion
Donald Trump - net worth $2.5 billion
Bill Gates - net worth $129.3 billion
Elon Musk - net worth $212 billion
Putin - estimated net worth $200 billion (nobody really knows.)
Ted Cruz - estimated net worth is unknown but estimated between $500k- $4 million
Rick Scott - net worth $259.7 million
Mitch McConnell - net worth $34.1 million
Mitt Romney - net worth $174.5 million
Nancy Pelosi - net worth $114.7 million
In the USA White Anglo-Saxons dominate in the power elite, with Protestants representing about 80% of the top business leaders, and about 73% of members of Congress.
Those are just facts and not a judgement of any kind for or against anyone. Take from it what you will. And please, be calm. I do not judge and do not wish to be judged harshly by whomever it is in charge of judging. God? Man?
Go in peace.
The Walton Family, owners of Walmart - net worth $238 billion
The Covid-19 vaccine is not a bio-weapon. There is not now and never was a mandate in the United States that you get vaccinated. Local government and private businesses that had vaccine "mandates" did not mean that you needed to be vaccinated. It meant that if you choose to not be vaccinated, they request that you take a test for the virus periodically for the safety of customers and/or co-workers.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Dude why did you such a racist. Why are you not including the Pope, Chinese Billionaires, Russian Oligarchs, and all of the Arabian billionaires. And what about the all of the billionaires and millionaires in Africa.
Dude you must be smoking something that's messed with your brain. There are laws which require you to be vaccinated to attend school and work in some industries. Your parents would have made sure you were vaccinated when you were young.
Before posting false and fake statements try doing some research first.
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Rev Mark D
Well you know my friend you are part right, about those with the money and power elite being independent of particular religious persuasion, political persuasion, theoretical persuasion, scientific persuasion, it's all a circus show for them, because what they have in common is that they're sociopaths, and they oh no that you need a good cover story and so they pick one political religious cultural historical scientific this that the other, the whole function though, if you think of functions in the same way as mathematical functions, is to distract people and that can also be the same as politics, distract people for what you're really doing, just playing, distract people from what you're really doing. So really the common denominator is what will you and I would call personality disorder, no conscience, narcissism, sociopathy, psychopathy. Those traits and states tend to transcend their cover stories. That's because the great investment Jordan people don't understand such things, and are fooled by the cover stories. As PT Barnum is a attributed to have one said, which may be true or not, the phrase is certainly relevant, and it is that there is one born every minute, and also the other witches never give a sucker an even break.
No an effective explanation for all of it, including the religiosity, as another corporate story, is aptly covered by a little book done in the 60s, and is no less relevant or appropriate or effective or true today, even though it was some 60 years ago. The book is called the ruling elite and it was written by C Wright Mills. It's a very easy read. It covers adequately just about everything we see today. There isn't that covers well everything we see today is because it covered well everything we saw then, and everything we saw prior to the sixties, going back for about 3,000 years. Now if you're religious or particularly christian, then the appropriate Bible reference here is quote nothing new under the sun. "
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Condy Irvin
Yes they did put out a mandate. Anyone with over a hundred employees were required to have them vaccinated. That’s why we lost so many healthcare workers. President Biden was the one who did that. I believe Putin is a dictator who needs to be taken down but I also believe Satan is running a large part of our US government, including Biden and a large part of his administration. Inflation, border crisis,supply chain issues, stopping energy independence,normalizing child sexuality and the list goes on. These things have to be intentional and history shows that when a society sinks into chaos that society falls. I believe we are in the last days of the United States, but not necessarily the last days of the world. Whatever you believe in now is the time to be ready for anything to happen, including a new government and a lot of chaos
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JPrime
Let’s go step by step, shall we? I’d like to preface all of this with the fact that I am NOT an American, nor have I ever been. Call it “outside looking in”, if you will.
“ Your enemies the Republicans do not support Putin. They are smart enough to know that Ukraine is the embodiment of corruption because of people like Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and the list goes on and on.” - The Republicans have shown themselves to be hypocrites. They say one thing and then go do the exact opposite. Both at the federal AND state levels, they seem to be against the American people completely, gutting voting rights, women’s bodily autonomy, and veteran benefits. Anything that would lift up the American people as a whole, really.
“Let's also look at the Bio-labs the CIA thought was a good idea to surround Russia with. Would you want that threat at your front or back door? There is more to the story that you are not talking about.” - This is Russian propaganda, the same as what is being fed to the Russian people. China is backing a Russian lie to justify a continued invasion, giving it credence. That’s all that anyone knows. If you know something more, please share. But at this point, it’s only “trust me, bro” information.
“The Republicans believe this is a distraction paid for by the global elite to distract from the bioweapon that was released unto the world and the bioweapon vax that is killing, mamming and sterilizing people around the world, but I bet you think it's a conspiracy theory.” - Hate to break it to you, but the Republican Party ARE the American division of the “global elite”. In fact, if you looked beyond party lines, you would see that the United States is actually an oligarchy, with the rich using lobbyists to force the American government to pass laws that help no one but themselves. It’s just dressed up better than Russia, thats all. As for the pandemic, it was NOT a bio-weapon for all that it started in a lab. SARS and COVID are two widely studied coronaviruses. No one knows for sure what EXACTLY happened, either time, only that it did. When SARS began spreading through the world, virologists and scientists of all stripes began a program to eradicate it. And voila, we have mRNA vaccines a decade later. Also NOT a bio-weapon. Yes, side effects of the vaccine CAN cause significant damage or even death, but it is NOT a widespread thing. The benefits outweigh the risks. So yes, it IS a conspiracy theory.
“Maybe you should stop listening to the paid off main stream news. They have been paid for by Biden to lie to you daily. It's call mass psychosis. Learn the whole truth and nothing but the truth before you judge another, or you will be judged harshly.” - Take MSM with a grain of salt. They have to have eyes looking at them to make money so the more sensational, the better. Go find corroboration of the reports you find worrying. Or follow my example and don’t watch at all. I don’t even have cable. Biden has NOTHING to do with MainStream Media. Quit giving him superpowers, ffs. Listening to Fox “News” and being on Telegram is NOT the truth. There is no way to know the WHOLE truth about anything; history is written by the victors. And unless you’ve seen it with your own eyes, there will ALWAYS be a bias. As for judgement…don’t. I’m not judging you for spewing half-truths, unfounded conspiracy theories and outright lies. I do however wish you and the American people the clarity of vision to rise up and retake the power that has been lost to the capitalist system in which you live. Demand your children be educated to the same level as the rest of the First World. Demand universal healthcare. Insularity is KILLING you!
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Reverend Gary
There are 10 or 12 biological weapons laboratories around Ukraine’s borders that were established and funded by the United States government. There are over 330 such biological weapons laboratories that the United States government has established and funded throughout the world.
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Robert James Ruhnke
According to who Gary, site your sources.
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JPrime
Citation needed. Please back up that claim with facts from credible sources please.
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David W Otte
Corroboration is always good. Never consider only one source for all your data on how to comport yourself in a given context. Yes?
~~ Kirti Dharma
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Robert James Ruhnke
Jacqueline, then why do Republicans, especially Trump supporters, kiss Putin’s ass at every chance they get? All the the stuff right wingers are spouting these days is utter bullshit lunacy. Threaten me all you want. I really don’t care.
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Robert A Stiff
You are one sick puppy.
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Reverend Gary
Robert, I make this comment about your guess, not so much as to rebuttal anything you said but to ask if you ever saw the longer message I posted? I have been posting comments for a very long time throughout the U L C blogs and none of them appear. So if you did not see my other comment I would appreciate you letting me know.
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Daniel Gray
Sigh, absolutely not. If I had a farthing or a penny for each and every time some christian ignorant or pagan ignorant tried to claim so and so was the one who was going to end the world....I would be richer then Bill Gates is.
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John P Maher
WHATS ALL THE NAME CALLING, PUTIN is a MURDERING COWARD as MOST MONEY PEOPLE, and THATS THE TRUTH !
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Rev Wayne Steven
I've been thinking about this ever since things started happening let's look at it from this perspective things seem to be moving Eastward first of all first Antichrist Napoleon France second Antichrist Hitler Germany possible third Antichrist Putin Russia maybe????? Something to think about
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David Arthur Lewis
You forgot about Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney.
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Stacey Owens
Okay, I'll pray for Putin.
Our Father, who is in heaven how glorious is your name, Forgive President Putin and all who support him. For they know not what they do. For you promised, vengeance is mine: says the Lord God. Your Kingdom come, your will be done, in earth as it is in Heaven. I pray in Christ Jesus name; who dwells with in me. Amen!
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Lionheart
Sorry Stacey. Very nice thought, so thank you, but the reality is, if there were any gods, they clearly are not interested. You might as well just carry on talking to the wall, floor, or ceiling, but it seems you are the only one hearing your words. Please don't get angry at me for pointing out the obvious, I'm just attempting to help people face reality. It really would be nice if there were any gods that actually wanted to show up and help out, so if you want to get angry at anything, either get angry at yourself for believing it, or get angry at your god for not doing anything about it. In the meantime, men, women, and little children will be mercilessly killed. It's reality, it's just the way it is and always will be. I'm sorry to be the bearer of news you don't want to hear.
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John D. Partin
Stacey, thank you for your prayer. You know, as well as I and all sensible people here know (very sadly, not everyone here!), that God isn't going to take away Putin's or all other people's free will and make their moral choices for them and make them only do good and avoid evil. Neither is He going to always save us from the consequences of our own choices. God wants us to decide for ourselves to do good and avoid evil and is saddened by many people's not deciding to do that. That is interpreted by those unknowing people as "God's not caring about us or doing anything to stop these evils, such as the invasion of Ukraine and the Holocaust, because if He cared or could do anything about them, He would be doing it", while they don't even make all their own children's moral choices for them for the rest of their lives or save them from the consequences of their own actions, and practice what they are telling God to do!! Nobody will ever be able to get through to such people the hypocrisy and illogic of their position, which is so obvious to all clearly thinking people, and so it is useless to talk directly to them about it, which I have wasted far too much time and energy trying to do and won't do anymore!! I will only tell you and other still reasonable and open-minded people, who are able to receive and accept the truth about it!!! How much less could God do for all people everywhere what they can't even do for their own children throughout their lives?!! Why would He heal all diseases and medical conditions everywhere, which are the result of our disobedience to God and brought down upon us by that without saving us from the consequences of our own actions, which He can't and won't do?!! Some suffering and death in the world is useful for teaching us to rise above our suffering and look to God, which we couldn't do without something to rise above, and inspires other people, who wouldn't be inspired without those examples. God brings some good out of evil and makes even evil and Satan serve the will of God, as in the creation of the State of Israel out of the Holocaust, and heals many sicknesses and conditions, which weren't being healed through human efforts, and that proves to all those to whom it can be proved the obvious truth that God does care about us, and will never prove anything to those who aren't capable of understanding anything about it!! I'm not sorry at all to burst these self-deluded atheists' bubble, if any of them are listening, and expose them to some logic and consistent thinking and reality here because that is what they get for coming in here!!!
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flugo
'lying fart': No! The news you bear is good news, substantiating the Bible. The Bible says it's a fool who says there no God. It says you're like 'kicking against the pricks'. It says your ignorance puts you in the class of an ass.
And, if you KNEW God, and not just ABOUT God, you'd realize His hatred of your attitude, but love for you, and your need to repent of your brash ignorance and trust Christ as your ONLY Savior. He's your ONLY hope.
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Lionheart
Thank you flugo, and I realize you don’t understand what atheists, or secularists are, so let me help you to understand. Atheists don’t say there is no god, they say there is no demonstrable evidence to show that any god is real. That will include the god you believe in. The same goes for fairies, leprechauns, pixies etc. that possibly you don’t believe in also, and that is because there is no demo evidence they are real. I’m sure you and I will believe they are real and exist when we see demonstrable evidence that they do….right? The same goes for your god and everyone else’s god. I assume you won’t believe in Vishnu until there is sufficient testable proof that Vishnu is real.
I’m not interested in whatever a book says about fools because all it is, is a book of claims written by people, usually years after the event, who possibly didn’t even know where the Sun went at night. There’s possibly more sense and truth written in the Bhagavad Gita than the book you read, but if you get a lot from it, and need it, I say go for it.
I’m okay with you calling me whatever derogatory name you choose. It helps me know the type of person you have become, with your religion, and cements my position to never go where you are. Take care 🤗
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
flugo, I sure am glad I don't know your god. You really don't make him seem like someone worth knowing.
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Reverend Kurt
Mumbling a meaningless mantra will help the innocent people who are being damaged by this military action against neighboring country? Would it not be better to find the truth and give real help to whom and where it is needed?
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Lionheart
Putin can only be compelled by a god if one is demonstrably proved to exist, and he believes in it.
What is an anti-christ? Is it someone that hasn't yet seen any reasonable evidence yet of the claims that he was really some form of deity? And that's if he really existed.
I doubt religion plays any part in Putin's decisions.
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Charles Jude Platt
I pray that putin's father Satan returns and take his son home in hell! Franklin Graham, like Robertson are whacko examples of whatever the he'll Christianity is.
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Nicholas J Page
Mad Vlad is mentally insane and unstable.He has been doing this for 20 years PM Boris Johnson.UK Has said he's guilty of war crimes.If God had told him to start a war which God hasn't why kill innocent people and children.Mad Vlad is as bad as Hitler etc Hopefully special forces will be in situ and assinate Putin.We don't need people like a despot .The whole world needs peace.
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Gwendolyn Lord
Putin is a delusional ruthless murderer, who doesn't have a thought for any human life, in Russia, or the Ukraine. Very like Hitler with his play book of oppression and invasion. A psychopath, who believes he has some messianic mission to recreate a vast Soviet Union.
We have not done enough to prevent this. The Ukraine should have been admitted into the EU and NATO after the first invasion, when Obama was in office. Trump butt kissing Putin for four years. Our foreign policy sucks. Mopping up disasters is all we do.
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Minister for the Kingdom
I must say. It’s bad there and I would not have lied to the world about it. And did what Putin is doing.
I have to believe that God is in all things and he oversees even the smallest. How this works out is not for us to question God. God we trust will deal with Russia in his own way. So if we pray everyday that his will be done. On earth as it is in heaven! Who am I to Question God? I say stay the course! Do not faulter. Pray without seesing for the whole situation. Don’t let our own souls be lost in conflict with God. Who commands us to be the reflection of his son Jesus Christ.
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Tammy Sue Peck
Well I for one do believe that God uses strange people to accomplish God’s plans. With that being said I am pretty sure that Putin is following God’s plans. If that’s to bring the Armageddon to bring us to the 1000 years of peace. Then who am I to question God?
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Mark Hannon
That excuse has been used for centuries to support some of the most dreadful people that ever lived. There isn't even total surety the Book of Revelation was written for the end of the world or for the times it was written in.
Anyone that was actually used by God in the Bible ended up to have redemptive value.
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Tammy Sue Peck
Oh, you know what God is doing...I know that I don't.
My problem with believing the talking heads on TV. They have lied continually since 2015, Trump is a Russian conspirator and that the call with Ukraine was wrong...We now know both those things are a LIE. Then we have the C-19 that was 2 weeks to stop it, Mask work, vaccine is 95% effective . What do we know now? It was all a LIE. Now all of the talking heads are saying Putin is evil...Will we find out that they are also lying???? Only GOD knows.
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Mark Hannon
What do you think of the Russian news that claims the Putin is just clearing the Nazis out of Ukraine? Propaganda is everywhere. You need to use the eyes and what sense God has given us to discern truth.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
For many Putin is God. Putin's actions are all told in the Bible.
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Lionheart
There are similar tales mentioned in the Harry Potter books. Dumbledore is full of wisdom.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Dumbledore doesn't have an army and nuclear bombs, whereas Putin does and he's not afraid to use them.
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John D. Partin
Putin will bluff the U.S. and NATO, if he can, by declaring that he is placing "his nuclear forces on high alert", the same as any bully or card cheat will bluff in order to back the other guy down or keep them from betting, but if he is stupid and suicidal enough to send his missiles flying and then we and everyone else send our missiles flying, it will be all over for Russia and Putin, too, and he isn't quite that stupid and suicidal!! Neither he nor anyone else can stay long enough down in a bomb shelter to avoid any nuclear radiation, for the next 10,000 years!! He probably wouldn't have any problem with just destroying the rest of the world, if he could do it without dragging Russia down with it, but won't do that because it would!! So, he is afraid of using nukes!! As for his army, the much smaller Ukrainian army has been backing it off and defeating it, the same as the Afghans defeated it when Russia invaded Afghanistan, and Putin is wanting to get Syrians to assist his army.
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John D. Partin
Vladimir Putin is almost certainly not the apocalyptic Antichrist (let's not make him bigger than he actually is!!), but is a type of antichrist, which just means anyone who is against Christ and Christian practice and teaching, as was Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Napoleon Bonaparte, and many other dictators and monsters throughout history, and as are many people in here and in the world. Nobody would be doing what Putin is doing to the Ukrainian people by causing more than a million refugees to flee from his war on the Ukraine to destroy Democracy there, resulting in so much misery and devastation, falsely calling Ukraine's Jewish President "a Nazi", to "justify" his invasion of that county, if he weren't an antichrist!! It doesn't matter at all that Putin was baptized in the Orthodox Church, which little Willie's son claims "proves that he is a Christian" because Stalin was also baptized in the Orthodox Church and Hitler was baptized in the Catholic Church, but they all renounced whatever faith that they ever had through their Communist or Nazi commitment and "thinking" and actions. Actions speak louder about who anyone is than their baptism or words do!! If some people here are still going to insist that Putin is a "Christian" just because of his baptism, then many people here are still "Christians", despite renouncing their faith and becoming Pagans, Satanists, and atheists, because of their baptisms, too!! "By this will all men know if you are my disciples: if you have love for one another" is Jesus' standard for being a Christian. "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on that say, 'Lord, Lord', did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out devils in your name, and do many wonderful works in your name'. Then, I will declare to them, I never knew you. Depart from me, you workers of iniquity". How much more will Jesus condemn and cast out Putin and his ilk, who aren't even doing that much or going through the motions of "following Him"?!!
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Robin Anne Hannon
Absolutely ridiculous. Pat Robinson seems to have left his marbles somewhere,
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William McCauley
While at church last Sunday. Our pastor stated we should pray for both Russia and Ukraine. As God already knew what Russia was going to do. If God wanted to stop it, then he would of. This has to play out for whatever reason and God knows the outcome.
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Lionheart
Why are you making excuses for your mythical God? Little children have been mercilessly killed in this war, just like all wars. If your God was real he could have prevented it, but your God is familiar with killing little children anyway being as that is exactly what he did when he had his anger management issue with pharaoh, and when he killed most everyone on Earth with the flood, that’s if you believe those stories.
The God that you believe in is a genocidal, infanticidal, tyrant, that is not worthy of any deistic title. Thank goodness there is no demonstrable evidence that he is real. I can suggest some much better mythical gods if you are looking for one, with far better morals.
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John D. Partin
Some people in here are xenophobic racists, double standard proponents on admitting people into the U.S. (favoring their own class and national origin, and discriminating against different ethnic groups and social classes or making allowances for their situations), non-believers in and advocates of violating the Golden Rule, and self-deluded and willingly brainwashed and hypnotized drones of Trumpelstiltskin, believing everything that he said while in office, according to those who are observing them. So, according to the rule in the post above of believing anything that is said about anyone, all of those accusations against them must be true!! If the accusations against them shouldn't be believed, how can they, consistently and non-hypocritically, insist that all accusations against anyone else must be believed, since they can't have it both ways?! If even human beings who are able to do something to improve any situation or help people don't immediately do so because other people ask or tell them to do so and jump through those hoops and perform tricks for people, since that would be undignified and non-selfrespecting, and, sometimes, can't help those people or do anything to improve the situation because of other considerations (as in this war in Ukraine, for fear of starting W.W.III, with providing no fly zones or jet fighters directly from Poland to Ukraine), why wouldn't God get even more slack than we give to these people and not be expected or asked to immediately improve situations and help people or excused for not doing so because of other considerations?! Wouldn't that just be consistent and logical thinking, instead of one standard for people and a different standard toward God?! Short of God's constantly going around all over the world and making everyone's decisions for them and keeping everyone from ever doing any wrong things and letting them only do good things, which definitely wouldn't fly with God's critics, either, and delivering them from all the consequences of their own actions, which is insane and unreasonable, we are going to have live with the consequences of our own or other people's decisions and ask God to help us get through these situations. God could only have made us incapable of doing any evil and capable only of doing good and so such things as the war in Ukraine, W.W.II, the Holocaust, and all other such things impossible by taking away our free will to choose to do them. But we could only choose to love Him and other people by means of that free will and so God had to take the chance of our choosing not to love Him and other people and do these wrong things, even knowing that many would make that choice. Our being robots wouldn't have proved anything about us or have been our own choices. Love requires free will and free will means consequences for our actions. This is all that this can ever possibly be explained to unthinking and unreasonable people and I'm talking only to the reasonable and thinking people here.
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Lionheart
And there you have it. Why did I know there would be someone who would defend the biggest disgusting, tyrannical, mythical, deity known to man. Not only does he create his own reasoning around this mythical deistic butcher of human life, he also supports it. Shame on you John! Try finding a better mythical god to follow with better morals, that’s if your life needs it, which of course it does.
You can of course write a very lengthy reply in a vain attempt to substantiate your stupid mythical claims, which no doubt you will, because that’s your intellectual level. 🎣
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John D. Partin
Mere allegations against God and things merely attributed to Him don't make Him worse than actual evidence against this person, stated above, prove him to be, which he conveniently refuses to understand!! Mere allegations and attributions vs. actual evidence!! No contest!! The actual evidence far outweighs any mere allegations and attributions and proves the person against whom the evidence is presented to be the worse person, except, of course, in his own self-justification and egoistic view of himself, and then logic and reason are stood on their heads, and allegations and attributions are "worse than actual evidence"!!! But that's just par for the course with this kind of person, who inverts and perverts everything to "justify" himself!!! Shame on YOU!!! You are already following your mythical "god": yourself!!! Now, come back with more of your self-justification and inversion of reality for your mythical "god" of yourself, because that is your intellectual level!!!
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Sharlaina Lorraine Cullen Reuben
Would not like to be you at the end of time
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Lionheart
Are you seriously thinking your God is a nice type of guy? Are you okay with him killing little children, and most of mankind in a flood.....if it happened, which there is no evidence it did?
Are you ok he supports slavery, and stoning people to death? You have read the Bible....right?
Is that someone you seriously like worshipping?
If there is an end of time, and he's there, I hope I never meet him. He won't want to meet the wrath I have for him. I hope he also gets to meet those he mercilessly killed.
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John D. Partin
Are you seriously ignoring what you have actually done and how you actually think and the kind of person that you actually are and evading all of that by focusing, once again, only on what it has been ALLEGED!!!! and ATTRIBUTED!!! to God that "He has done", to take the focus off yourself, as you always do, in this game that you constantly play with yourself and anyone in here and in the world that you can fool and lie to with all of that?!!! Because you are the most dishonest and devious and hypocritical person that it has ever been my misfortune to meet in the world and in this blog!!! Everyone here and certainly in your life there already knows very well how deceitful and game-playing a person that you are and that you will never come out of all that and so have reconciled ourselves to your being that way and expect that from you, but it is still very sad that you turned out the way that you are!!! All HONEST!!! (which is a totally foreign and incomprehensible concept to you and beyond your ability to understand why anyone would be that way!!) people know that allegations and attributions aren't the same thing at all as, and are totally opposite to, actual evidence against anyone, but that would be very inconvenient to your "thinking" to ever admit that and so you will never admit that allegations against God aren't the same thing as any kind of evidence against Him, and other people and myself only uselessly wear ourselves out trying to get that obvious truth through to you and through all that sludge, distortion, twisted "thinking", corruption, dishonesty, and deviousness in your brain!!! Allegations aren't even the same as evidence against even human defendants in a court of law or else no trials would ever be necessary, but only accusations against anyone would instantly get him or her put into jail or prison, and throw away the key, without any need to bother with that pesky and tiresome matter of producing actual evidence of anyone's guilt!! No more need for that at all anymore, according to your "thinking", but just accuse anyone of whatever you like and that is all the "proof" that you need and off they go to jail or prison!!! Despite all your condemnations of the Inquisition and other "Christian" crimes against people, you still "think" the same way that they did and their ilk today do and accusations against God and whatever anyone says that "He did" or against Him "prove His guilt"!! In reality, however, God isn't guilty of killing little children or killing most of mankind in a flood or of supporting slavery or stoning people to death or any other wrong thing just because some Bible writers attributed those things to Him or put those words into His mouth, anymore than you or anyone else are guilty of anything just because someone accuses you or the other person of it. It is impossible to get that common sense and fairness through to you because it would upset your whole little world and contradict all your crooked "thinking"!! Consistently, if God is guilty of anything that anyone wants to accuse Him of in the Bible, to "justify" himself and get God to "agree with him", you must be guilty of everything that everyone accuses you of doing or saying or thinking!!! God, apart from all the rotten things attributed to Him, is a loving God, as He does manage to get into the Bible some of His teachings of love, forgiveness, and mercy, despite all the distortion and human ideas, bigotry, and agendas in it, as in "Love your neighbor as yourself", "Love one another as I have loved you", "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you", and "Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me". God doesn't support slavery or stoning people to death and doesn't kill little children and didn't destroy most of mankind in a flood, but only corrupted nature causes any floods or kills little children and only corrupted men say that "God supports slavery or stoning people to death", and something isn't necessarily from God because it is in the Bible. It is very strange that you only believe anything in the Bible when it "confirms" your bigotry against Christianity or God!! This has been yet another exercise in futility with you because you are a very dishonest person and so reason, common sense, and fairness are wasted on you, and Jesus said "Don't caste your pearls before swine, lest they turn again and rend you, and don't give the children's bread unto dogs". Once again, uselessly, when you become guilty of everything that you are accused of, then you could, still wrongly, believe that "God is guilty of everything that He is accused of", but until then, accusations that don't prove your guilt don't prove God's guilt, either, fairly and consistently speaking!! Enough time and effort wasted on you!!!
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But how can you have wrath for someone that you do not think is real?
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Lionheart
My wrath is actually aimed more at those initial writers who composed these tales and stories, and those who, without demonstrable evidence, actually believe them, to the point that they convince little children they are true, but thank you for your reply.
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Then why, if your wrath "is actually aimed more at those initial writers who composed these tales and stories, and those who, without demonstrable evidence, actually believe them, to the point that they convince little children they are true", rather than at God, are you talking about "punching God in His nose, stomping on His feet, poking Him in the eye, and that He won't want to meet the wrath that you have for Him", instead of saying that you will do all that to those writers, and publishers of Bibles, and Sunday school teachers and ministers today who teach those stories?!! God didn't make any of those stories up about Himself or tell anyone to write those stories or teach anyone those stories about Himself, but all of those things have been done by human beings on their own initiative. So, why talk about doing all of that violence to God, instead of to the people actually responsible for those things and then deal, of course, with the consequences for threatening other people still in the world today?!! Or is that why you are making those threats against God, instead of against those who are actually responsible, because you can make insane threats against God, to your heart's content, without any consequences, which isn't the case with threatening other people?!! Do you, consistently, threaten celebrities because of stories made up about them in the tabloids, which you hate, instead of threatening the writers of those stories and publishers of those tabloids and distributors of them (except that, in that case, both threatening the celebrities and the writers, publishers, and distributors would be threatening other people, with the legal and social consequences for doing that)? But the celebrities didn't make up those stories about themselves and so why not hate them and want to do violence to them, when you hate the stories, the same as you hate God and want to do violence to God because of the stories about Him, consistently?!! You aren't thinking logically or consistently about any of this at all!! Nobody believes in God because of those stories themselves, but only because of morals in the stories of reliance on and turning toward God, the same as the parables of Jesus aren't meant to be taken as literal events, but only as morality teachers. People believe in God because of love, peace, forgiveness, mercy, justice, joy, and truth, which aren't dependent on stories and are often the opposite of those stories, and because of Creation and something even being here, instead of nothing being here!! Only if you have a problem with love, peace, forgiveness, mercy, justice, joy, truth, and something, rather than nothing, being here do you have any problem with God because God is love, as Scripture says, and all of these other things. So, get your own anger management issues straightened out, as you are always irrationally telling God to do, and properly focused on those people who are actually responsible for the stories, if you insist on hanging on to your anger at all, and stop blaming God for things that He didn't do!! God doesn't have anger management issues and didn't flood the Earth or kill little children, except in the untrue stories, but you very clearly do have anger management issues. Remove the beam from your own eye before you try to remove the speck from your brother's eye. Fix yourself and clean up your own house before talking about anyone else or trying to "fix" him. Calm yourself and think clearly, for a change, and be at peace (or as much as you can ever be at, anyway!!).
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John D. Partin
Noah's Ark and the Flood aren't meant to be taken literally, Jonah and the whale aren't meant to be taken literally, and the same for the Tower of Babel, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the plagues of Egypt, and all other such stories, but only tell us to rely on and turn to God and away from evil. The other stories in the Bible advocating murder of old men, women and children are just human ideas put into the mouth of God to "justify" and "sanctify" those who wrote them and make God "agree with them", as is still being done today or recent times with the terrorists on 9/11 and conservative ministers who make God their mouthpiece and say whatever they want Him to say for their own agenda.
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You will meet him but in judgement then you will be cast into hell if you don't accept what Jesus did for you. Sin is in this world because of what Adam and Eve did. Satan is causing eyes to be blinded and to blame God but only the children of God eyes are open to all of this but you are blinded to all truth because you are a puppet that Satan uses to blasphemy God....
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Lionheart
Absolute rubbish, David. Where is your evidence that any of your claims are true…..in a book?
Satan, and God, are all man-made constructs, but you are sadly unable to see it.
The God you worship is an evil pestilential, genocidal, infanticidal maniac. Fortunately, there’s no evidence he’s real.
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Hi Lionheart. I do understand your thoughts on God. It is a big concept to believe without seeing. But God is a God of Love, peace and forgiveness. He gives us “Free-will” to do whatever we choose. Like the Clint Eastwood movie we choose by “free-will” to do “The Good, The Bad & The Ugly”. He is always there and even gave His one and only son to live amongst us. And the hard part to understand is she was a virgin mother and it was a life of a carpenter/tradesman not a king. But to show us He loved and lived amongst all of us and is here for all of us. Adam and Eve lived in paradise talked daily with God, lived amongst Gods creatures peacefully and they still sinned against God. But that is why it is called Faith.
We all make mistakes and God forgives us. We all live lives of sin and that’s why we attend church and as my wife and I say “have our village” our friends and families. Even when we don’t ask for forgiveness He loves us but He does ask us to follow Him. And do our best, even as sinners. Learn from our mistakes and just do better and He loves even those that do not believe in Him. He waits for them patiently. We are told through prophecy that the end times will not be fulfilled until all the world has been reached and has the chance to hear the gospel. That’s about an estimated 2% (roughly 1 billion people). But we are also told that no one will know the time, date or place. So live daily the best you can and I try to “participate don’t anticipate” things in life including my spiritual life. Yes, God in the Old Testament was a God who was loved and at times was feared. It was a different time a.. tribal time. People fought often hand to hand combat sword battles over land. Just a scary tough time to live.
In the New Testament though he send Jesus for the world. For us.. you, me, our family and friends and everyone before and after us. He is the last sacrificial lamb slain. Father, Son and Holy Spirit here on earth the Trinity. I know the Faith is hard to believe. I can say though it takes a tremendous amount of faith to not believe in anything. So I hope and pray you Lionheart do find faith to believe. Understand no one is perfect. Yes we church goers are NOT perfect. The minister, priest, etc is NOT perfect. Some churches may not be the right fit. Some denominations may not be the right fit. But give it a shot a see what sticks. It is a personal relationship between you and God. No one else. Others can help guide you but in the end it is between you and God. Check out this poem sometime it is a great understanding for Jesus’s love. “Footprints in the Sand”. If you ever want to talk further please feel free to email me as well. I’m no here to argue just to give my thoughts and share my faith.
Trey_clark5479@yahoo.comBlessings! Trey
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Lionheart
Thank you Trey for your very well meaning words. I do know where you are coming from because I have been where you currently are. I was a Minister, and preached from the pulpit many times. I have also at times used the “Footprints” poem during sermons. I have also baptised families, so as you can see, I know where you are coming from.
Having said all that, it eventually dawned on me that what I was preaching had no demonstrable evidence whatsoever. The reason that ALL churches have no other option to rely on “faith” is because that is all they have. That includes yours, and members of all “faiths” on the face of the earth. Everyone of those faiths are all relying on emotional feelings they get that they will say is the Holy Spirit, or some other “religious spirit”, telling them that their religion is the real one.
When you say things about what your god is, and what he wants for us, etc, all you are doing is paraphrasing what you have heard from others, or have read in the Bible. In many respects, it’s like me telling you that I know fairies love us, and want us to love one another. I know that sounds silly, but can you see that if I said that with sincerity, you would quite rightly want to know, not only how I know that, but where is the evidence fairies are real. If I said I’ve read it in a book I’m sure you’d say it’s crazy, and quite rightly so.
If I asked you what your thoughts are in the god Zeus, Thor, Vishnu, et al, I’m sure you would say you don’t believe in them. Yet those that do, don’t believe in the god you believe in. I am just like you in that respect, I don’t believe in those gods either, because there is no testable evidence for them, just like the one that you believe in.
The more I read the bible, the more I realised the god of those stories and tales was someone I would never want to proclaim as a god. He self discloses that he’s a jealous, god, and if the stories were to be real, he has no issue with killing, stoning, and slavery. I came to realise my morals are above his, and his morals would not be something I could ever condone in any deity. Anyway, it is what it is. Indoctrination can be a very cruel thing, and depending on the depth of indoctrination, it can be almost impossible to escape from. I count myself as one of the lucky ones.
Thank you for your well meaning comments. I wish you well.
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John D. Partin
You preface your remarks to Trey with a phony "understanding" of him and "seeing things from his point of view" and condescending and patronizing "having been there myself", so, of course, "I can relate to your being stuck in your inferior way of thinking, poor thing!!". And then, once that preliminary B.S. is out of the way, just for the appearance of "relating to him" and "being reasonable and fair", you get to the actual point of your post, which is to, once again, condemn and ridicule Christian beliefs and the "irrationality" of anyone holding those beliefs, as you can, of course, "see from your lofty perch of rationality, far above those miserable people, groveling and wallowing in the darkness of Christianity, which they are unable to see". You say that "when you say things about what your god is, and what he wants from us, etc. all you are doing is paraphrasing what you have heard from others, or have read in the Bible". In other words, that human beings came up with all these ideas about God and what He wants from us all by ourselves, but that doesn't really fly because you and all other ungodly and anti-God people in this blog and in the world are evidence of what people come up with all by themselves, such as NAMBLA, Communism, Nazism, the invasion of Ukraine, pedophilia, pornography, prostitution, white slavery, slavery of black people, genocide, serial killings, racial discrimination, lynchings, the burning of black churches and synagogues, domestic violence, transgenderism, gay marriage, and all the other evils that people come up with all by themselves. If Christians were coming up with all of our ideas all by ourselves, the same as all of you are coming up with ideas all by yourselves, we would be coming up with the same ideas that you are coming up with because those are what people come up with when left entirely to themselves and doing what is "right" in their own eyes. If we have different ideas than you do, as we do, they can't be coming from the same place as your ideas, namely ourselves, and so have to be coming from another Source, and we couldn't have them if that Source didn't exist and we had only what you have or let yourselves access, anyway. "Loving your neighbor as yourself" and "Doing unto others as you would have others do unto you" and other Godly teachings aren't what people come up with all by themselves and left to only what is "right" in their own eyes. Hating your neighbor, if he is a different color or religion or ethnicity or anything else that you don't like is what people come up with all by themselves. So, Godly morality, which can't be coming from the same place as what you believe, and Creation of the universe, which people also aren't responsible for and had nothing to do with, are proof of God's existence. There have been flesh and blood human beings who were fraudulent, and so if it can happen among beings that you can see and touch, how could it not happen among beings that you can't see or touch, but that are just as real as any physical beings? And so there are false gods and goddesses. Love is a spiritual reality because you can't touch it or see it, but only see the effects of it. It isn't unreal because you can't see or touch it, as certain people would have us believe. There are other spiritual realities, such as hate, envy, anger, gluttony, lust, and sloth, which aren't physical things, but affect physical things. Your morals aren't higher than God's because He doesn't approve of all the things that you approve of or of slavery or child killings, but was only written that way by Bible writers. You have been indoctrinated in atheism, too, and are as stuck in your "thinking" as you say that Christians are in theirs, and so have no credibility, basis or room for talking against anyone else's faith. You gave up your faith because of faulty human reasoning and so aren't as moral or strong as those who have kept their faith even under intense persecution. It takes even more faith to be an atheist than it does to be a Christian because you have to believe that a mindless universe is regulating and driving itself, which is far more faith than I could have about it. Enough for now. More later.
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Rev Mark D
A god with morals, what an interesting concept, who would have thought of it that way? Not bad.
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Amy Varela
There are three basic possibilities when it comes to the god of Abraham" 1. that god is weak and can do absolutely nothing to protect innocent children from harm. 2. that god is an abusive sociopath who CHOOSES to do nothing to protect innocent children from harm. 3. that god does not exist.
The character called "god" in the bible - based on the information contained in the bible - is an immoral, insecure, immature, genocidal, misogynistic, racist sociopath. If you believe the bible is true, then you have to acknowledge that. It's embarrassing that people continued to believe this nonsense beyond the 19th century.
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John D. Partin
Amy Varela, there is a fourth and only logical and consistent possibility when it comes to the God of Abraham, and that is that God isn't going to take away people's free will to keep them from doing evil, since that would also keep them from freely choosing to love Him and other people and do any good. That not taking away people's free will kept God from preventing Bible writers from attributing wrong things to Him and putting their own thoughts and words and agenda into His mouth, to "justify" and "sanctify" themselves and make God "go along with them". Obviously, if He doesn't stop people from doing wrong things, He doesn't stop them from writing, thinking or saying wrong things, either, because that would make their doing, writing, thinking, and saying right things and repenting of wrong things impossible, as well. If you don't believe everything written about celebrities in the tabloids or everything that you hear about everyone else or want everyone else to believe everything that they hear or read about you, why would you inconsistently believe everything that some Bible writers and other people today say about God?!! That isn't fair or reasonable at all!! Do unto others as you would have others do unto you and love your neighbor as yourself also apply to our treatment of God, and when we don't want everything that other people say or write about us to be believed, we shouldn't believe everything that some people say or write about God, either!! What is clearly truly from God is the standard for determining what is truly from God in the Bible or outside of it!! "God is love" is a true statement about God, which got put into the Bible and slipped past the distortion of God's character by His false "friends" who wrote those things against Him in the Bible. We know that it is the truth about God because it is the opposite of the lies that are told about Him and words put into His mouth, since the opposite of lies is the truth, and fairly gives God a chance to speak for Himself and tell us Who He really is. We even do that much for people on trial in a court of law. So, why shouldn't that be done for God?!! The teachings of love, mercy, justice, truth, and compassion in the Bible tell us Who God really is, despite and apart from the distortion!! It is truly embarrassing that any people would unthinkingly continue to believe all these lies and distortions about God, and not do unto Him as they would have other people do unto them and let His true voice speak to them and be heard in their hearts and minds!!! God bless you and keep you and open your heart and mind to the truth and fairness, and turn you away from darkness, lies, distortion, and evil!!
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Jeffrey Stoecker
Ask your pastor whether, when he notices a change in a mole, he'll have it burned off, or is it a case of "If God wanted to stop it, then he would. This has to play out for whatever reason and God knows the outcome." ?
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Maybe his name should Fuhrer Putin since he has all the same markings as the guy from Germany.