A father of two was shot to death on his way to work in Manhattan recently. Based on only those facts, you could be forgiven for concluding this was a horrible tragedy. One might also assume the killer would be widely condemned.
But the assassination of Brian Thompson, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, has sparked a decidedly different reaction. Not only has there been a surprising lack of sympathy for the victim, but many people have even celebrated the murder and cheered on the suspected killer, 26-year-old Luigi Mangione.
The reasoning offered? The killing of a single man pales in comparison to the immense harm done by his employer and by the private health insurance industry as a whole.
This reaction has kindled widespread concern – and intense debate – about the moral implications of the public’s indifference. It has also spurred some religious ethicists to weigh in.
At the heart of the issue is a basic question: is it wrong to celebrate a murder if the victim represents a system widely viewed as evil?
The Ethics of Cheering On a Killing
As the news of Thompson’s killing became public and reactions came pouring in online, it soon became clear that this was no ordinary killing. To many, Thompson symbolized a corrupt and greedy system that profits off of denying care to people when they are most vulnerable.
Perhaps that explains why reactions to his death would be more easily characterized as callous and mocking than sympathetic or sorrowful.
Not only that, but Mangione has apparently achieved a sort of folk hero status. He’s been cheered in public:
Students reportedly walked out of class in solidarity with him:
And his actions have sparked an endless stream of supportive jokes online:
Religious Ethicists Respond
While his employer is widely despised, Thompson was never charged with a crime. He was an innocent man according to the U.S. legal system – his death effectively an extrajudicial killing.
Needless to say, the celebrations of his death have alarmed ethicists, including some religious ethicists who recently spoke with America Magazine.
Daniel Daly, a professor of moral theology at Boston College, found the reactions disturbing from a moral and theological standpoint. “Brian Thompson was a human being and fully imaged God with intrinsic dignity, as we all do,” he said.
“I think there’s some indifference to suffering here,” he continued. “People seem not to care that this man has died, that his wife and children are left without their husband and father. We’ve lost the capacity to ‘suffer with’ and practice mercy and compassion.”
“We should be able to hold two ideas in our minds simultaneously,” Dr. Daly continued. “One is to mourn the loss of a human being; the other is to have an ongoing conversation about the nature of health insurance in this country and the injustices embedded in the system.”
WWJD?
However, Dr. Daly makes it clear that he believes Jesus would not approve of Thompson’s killing – and especially the public’s reaction to it:
“The idea of schadenfreude, taking pleasure in the misfortunes of others, is rejected by Jesus in the Gospels. He invites us to love all people, even those who have harmed us. He directs us to stop judging others. I think the expressions of joy at Thompson’s death reflect an implicit judgment of him—that he is wholly morally corrupt—and this is exactly the kind of judgment of the state of another’s soul that Jesus tells his followers not to make.”
Father Michael Rozier, of St. Louis University, says he understands American’s frustration with the healthcare system. “In health care right now, people feel small and insignificant,” he explains. “We’ve created systems that are confusing, complex and not human-centered, and people feel like they have very few options to resolve their issues.”
But that doesn’t excuse an act of violence, Rozier insists. “The pervasive presence of guns in society has led to us broadly tolerating this kind of violence in ways that other countries do not,” he said.
What is your reaction?
150 comments
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Daniel C. Arendt
Some experts hold that once a person starts killing, it gets easier and easier with every new kill. To imply liquidate people we don't care for, no matter who "we" or "they" are and no matter the reason(s), could lead to an eventual anarchy where everybody simply takes out anyone all the time for myriad "reasons". This would not stop corporations from, in the case of CEOs, swiftly emplacing new ones; insurance, health, and other industry's corporations are the money people who keep in office at every level officials who constantly enact loopholes, "make it okay" regulations, or both. Without better officials at every level, taking out their players will accomplish little; has decades of "lock up the local dealers and users" dented much in the "War On Drugs"? It thus seems to me illogical to encourage people like Mangione in lieu of demanding better from officials and their Federal, State agencies.
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Mike Stand
I am asking the editor of the visionary to rethink and broaden his comments regarding Luigi Mangione
The editor wrote, "But the public’s indifference – and even celebration – in response to the killing has also raised alarm among religious ethicists."
The implication in this statement is that only religious ethicists had a problem. I would posit that at least as great a percentage of non-religious ethicists have a problem with public's approval of the killers actions.
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Jeffery Smithling
The troubling thing is that so many people believe him to be guilty because the "state" says he is using all their traditional propaganda channels.
My judgement of Luigi if I assume the "state" is telling the truth 'sticks' to me. He is a progenitor of change and I would use jury nullification to free him.-
Travis A. Lee
That is all well and good. BUT, is it Immoral to celebrate the murder of the CEO? That was the topic. Not if he is guilty, not if murder is wrong 95% of the World would say it is. So, is it Immoral to celebrate a murder?
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Travis A. Lee
Seems many posting are in a religion of Abrahamic descent. I am NOT one of them. I an a Universalist AND a Practicing Generational Asiatic Shaman. That is my credentials. Why I post this, no reason. Since I've not met anyone like me. Which is a good thing. ANYWAY. lol.
The topic got off track. Does anyone remember the article header? Here it is: Is it Immoral to Celebrate a CEO's Murder. That is the header. So why is it a majority is saying "murder is wrong". IT is NOT the topic of the question.
Is it immoral to celebrate a CEO's Murder? For me, I don't actually Care. I watch Youtube for comments and laugh, because many of them are funny to Me. Perhaps not to you, but to ME they are. And that's MY say on the topic. NOW that I have stated what I believe. Done. Oh, I'm NOT DONE though with the subject of this. Read on, if you want.
1, Mr. Mangione was not a part of the UHC. He was not sugined up under any plans, THAT WE KNOW OF. 2. Thompson WAS being/or going to be investigated for insider trading. He also SOLD 14 MILLION Dollars worth of Shares. Suss? Very. 3. UHC itself was going to be/is being investigated for violations of Anti-Trust Laws. (its all out there to see, so I will NOT "prove" what I say, I will not allow infantile attacks on my points, which CAN be prove, but if you too lazy to look it up and disprove what I Say, it is on You, not me.) 4. Pictures of Mr. Mangione are blurry. AM I, to believe that ALL the cameras are crap? That NONE could get a clear picture of him? None at all? 5. Shootings happen all the time in every State. So why is This one any different? Does not a homeless person deserve the SAME treatment of finding out who killed them In the News (aside) two people were alsos murdered on that same day. Why isn't there MORE info on them? Why are not the resources being used for them, as it was for this CEO? Is it because a higher tax bracket?
ALl of that leads me to logically conclude that this was a hired professional. People actually do not know where Mr. Manigone was for a period of time. No one. This is documented. Schooling of a different type? Quite possibly. He is known to be highly intelligent, flexible and supposedly had screws in his neck. YET, look at the pictures of him in the orange suit. A Cop has his hands directly on where an injury is. Interesting is it not? To invoke a pain response,so people think Mr. Mangione is out of control? Possibly. ALL is very interesting and if you USE your Intuition...you will start to wonder also. Why is this a set up an red herring? AND while on this topic, it was also in the NEWS that Blue Cross/Shield decided the very next to Re-examine their policy on time expiration for anesthesia. Just for anyone needing proof, which is also in articles.
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James Patrick Murphy
Odd, that so many think themselves in a position to decide. Our Creator made clear His position. "Thou shall not murder"! Facts don't care about a persons feelings!
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Jeffery Smithling
Do as I say not as I do! lol There is good evidence that our Creator murdered 99.9% of us with water.
You can say it was justified and that the adults were corrupt but children were drowned, the same ones that Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these"-
James Patrick Murphy
Sounds like you may have the same beef that Nimrod did when he thought himself in a position to judge his Creator, and proclaim himself a god. The only authority I have, is the authority granted me by the one true God. I would never think myself in a position to dictate whether His actions are justified or not, any more than I would think to dictate who or how one receives salvation, what dictates a life, a gender or a marriage. I am a Pastor based on His definition, not my own. If I have a question, I look to the only authority, His Word. I recognize that many here would disagree, perhaps would suggest 2+2 is 5, but I'm not one of them. :)
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Ashleigh Mitchell
People keep taunting the “innocence” of UHC’s CEO. I would like to remind everyone that under the United States legal system, his accused killer is also innocent — until proven guilty, and the evidence thus far presented is highly circumstantial and suspect.
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Ray Ray Ray
The Roman in charge says torment him and crucify him
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Jack Anthony Wilson
Murder is never acceptable. If it becomes acceptable to kill someone who you disagree with then society must start accepting school shootings as well.
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Natasha Martinelli
Obviously, there is something seriously wrong with our system that causes people to act this way. We are all wired for survival. We have primary instincts.
When our body suffers from pain, we need care. Just like eating. If our ancestors didn’t have to kill for survival, we wouldn’t be here today discussing this topic. It is sad that our society beginning to revert to stone age. People are feeling threatened. This murder should be a wake up call to everyone. During my childhood I lived in a country that was very corrupt; it had no-money health care system. If you needed a root canal, you would have to pay out of pocket for anesthesia. Most people didn’t have that kind of money. So they would have to suffer through it. A lot of surgeries were performed without anesthesia. If you never had a surgery without anesthesia, consider yourself lucky. The pain is so excruciating you wouldn’t wish it to your worst enemy. Literally. So, before talking about spiritual aspects of this case, we should carefully examine the way our human basic needs being met.
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John Thomas O Mara
The problem is not just with health insurance companies. Capitalism is no longer working for the little guy. 5% of our population controls 95% of the wealth in our country. It promises to get even worse when Trump takes over. I think Brian Thompson is the first of more to come. In 2022 Walmart’s Doug McMillon had a net worth of $100 million. Today Doug McMillon’s net worth is $463 million. He has achieved that level of wealth by raising prices across every Walmart to the point that he is breaking the financial backs of middle class and poor Americans all over our country just so that he can achieve an obscene level of personal wealth. Oh, and here is the kicker, he claims to be a devout Christian. I think he has proven that he worships at the alter of the Almighty Dollar. Something needs to change, and it needs to be very soon.
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Ari Joseph Bertine
These guys are living in their own little world, completely oblivious to how the majority of people live because they just don't look at anyone that isn't "them". Unfortunately, they have a ridiculous amount of power, because under normal circumstances this sort of behavior would get sorted out when the majority realizes they outnumber the ones harming them. So the harm continues unmitigated and then these fatcats are shocked when normal people don't relate to them as fellow humans. Talk about hypocrisy. It feels very telling that there aren't any multibillionaires who are overtly good people who care about others enough to change the world to help them, but there are...every one we know of publicly, who entirely lack care for humanity. Making big money, significant money, appears to require a lack of empathy, so the people who will do the least good with it are the ones that can get it. Horrible. People forget that the original phrase is "the love of money is the root of all evil", not money itself. And the fact that people who have enough already to buy countless houses and cars and foods and land are not even interested in that, they are obsessively interested with having more and more and more money. That's the love of money right there that is the root of all evil. And the only way to have there be no more addicts is to get rid of the addictive substance, and I can't even imagine people seriously considering switching to a no-money system. It feels like it will literally take such cataclysmic, horrific loss of life that there is no status quo anymore to change things. This is so discouraging.
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Cameron Lewis
The higher ground is view the shooter as the evil devil, and the shot ceo as a victim. I feel extreme sympathy for the wife, kids and love ones.
HAVING DEALT WITH UNITED HEALTH PLANS and the pain and suffering the give for nothing but greed. Knowing the victim was the cause of that pain and suffering because of HIS greed and DRIVE profit well that changes the picture as to who.was the devil ...I suspect these uprising will happen again and again unless CEO's, boards and investors figure out people first profit and greed second.
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Cameron Lewis
The higher ground is view the shooter as the evil devil, and the shot ceo as a victim. I feel extreme sympathy for the wife, kids and love ones.
HAVING DEALT WITH UNITED HEALTH PLANS and the pain and suffering the give for nothing but greed. Knowing the victim was the cause of that pain and suffering because of HIS greed and DRIVE profit well that changes the picture as to who.was the devil ...I suspect these uprising will happen again and again unless CEO's, boards and investors figure out people first profit and greed second.
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Daniel Gray
Justice for the people who died because of their insurance being denied? And by what right do you have to say that when you have not provided any proof?
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Travis A. Lee
The proof is out there, if YOU don't want to go and do your own research, then the burden is on You. Buh Bye!
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Ari Joseph Bertine
My reaction is that rage and grief are classic causes of people's hearts hardening. Our society has bloated to such an unnatural size that there is no sense of community left, and the pressure of personal threats to survival estrange those threatened from the idea of their oppressors as fellow humans.
The reaction of the public to this guy's murder reminds me of the public reaction to the killing of Osama bin Laden. I had to explain hatred to a Buddhist friend who was distressed at what appeared to her as everyone celebrating the death of another human being. She had not considered the extreme effect of years of terror and grief upon a population; it is difficult to conceive of a fellow human being capable of such acts as cause so much death. So the man becomes a monster, dehumanized by those who dreaded him and his peers because that is the defense mechanism of a social animal.
While people are very loath to admit it, we are animals, and we react as is natural for our species. If we want to transcend that, we build a system of beliefs strong enough to counteract the natural impulse. A system built to enlighten groups of mere thousands of people at most is going to need to be updated for billions, as our ability to form meaningful social ties becomes less effective the larger our "community" grows.
I think that the focus on present morality is unhelpful in this context. The public reaction is tragic not because it's immoral; it's tragic because it reveals how vast an expanse of dread and grief the public is suffering to cause this reaction. Rather than fretting or scolding, religious ethicists should be talking about where the breaks have occurred between traditional morals and our societal situation, and how to update the moral approach to work with what society is and needs now.
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Ronaldo
Killing is not always wrong, and is sometimes necessary. Violence has its place in the world, and has been used to carry out God's will more than once in our history. Murder, by its legal definition, and by God's definition, is always wrong. Some people in the past, like Hitler and some people on Death Row, were killed, but they were not murdered. Big difference. There is no legal, ethical, or moral justification for Mr. Thompson's death at the hands of another, so this was a clear case of murder.
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Deborah Jane Vogel
The cold blooded murder of Brian Thompson cannot be justified. Murder or assault are never “ok”. Incidents such as these should never be cheered or celebrated. Determining the root cause of these terrible acts should be our first goal; second, where we find immoral or unethical behavior in a person’s actions or their choice of employment- ORGANIZE! Brian Thompson may have been the corporate face of United Healthcare. He obviously drank the corporate kool aid, personally profiting from UHC’s choice to maximize personal and shareholder’s profits at the expense of their enrollees’ physical health, enrollees’ families’ financial health, and quality of life. Brian Thompson did not create the constantly devolving American so-called “health care” system. Rather than feeding into people’s vile and base response to his death (celebration), people who have had it with our broken “healthcare” corporations have a moral and social responsibility to organize and act within the existing legal framework. “Obama Care” did not happen overnight, but it happened and has survived because Americans ACTED and ENGAGED in the process. They wrote to their state and federal representatives, they showed up at town halls, and encouraged countless others to join the fight. Continuing the reformation of American healthcare will not happen quickly but it will not happen at all if we choose to sit on our duffs, stew in our anger, and debase ourselves and this country by self-righteously picking off insurance company executives and workers on the street, their homes, or their place of work.
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James Riggle-Johnson
Murdering the CEO was not the answer to improving access to healthcare. This is not going to suddenly make insurance companies have a change of heart. They will still continue making record profits by denying claims. I don’t have all the answers to improve how insurance companies make their money. They are greedy SOBs that put profit above helping their customers. I think murder is wrong.
If you want to change the law and hold these organizations legally liable, then replace your politicians. Just remember that they are paid by these companies. As I said, I don’t have the answers, but I still will not condone or celebrate a murderer, even when I understand their motivation.
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Robert Eugene Dybala
To focus all your anger on one man, Thompson, is a cheap shot. If your porffolio includes stocks in the health insurance industry, you are part of the problem. Let's do the long-term work of divesting ourselves of those stocks, voting for people that will reign in corporations, and taking an inward look at our materialism. Murdet is a cheap shot as is all violence.
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Ari Joseph Bertine
I don't think everyone's focusing their anger on Thompson, he is just the example that came up. Nobody that had never heard of him before he was murdered was angry with him specifically, they just hated health insurance companies and their predation. But since he was made famous by being murdered, people suddenly found out that these companies have faces. I very, very much doubt that anyone who owns stock in the health insurance industry has any problems with health insurance--they don't even need to use it, they can just afford healthcare anyway. The people harmed by health insurance are not doing well financially already...that's why they have to have insurance.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Just wondering why lying in wait for someone and then putting several bullets into them is pre-meditated mrder, but creating an algorithm to deny someone the medication that keeps them alive isn't?
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Miriam Gates
Being alive he has until his death to ask for forgiveness. Everyone else doesn’t fall into that category. It’s not my place to forgive him. He will answer.
Greed and pride are dangerous character flaws that are deadly. They breed murderous hatred
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Klos Kris
If corporation's only get a fine for killing for profit, then we should be able to create a go fund me for Luigi and just pay the fine, Unless the court system is only for the wealthy, white christian nationals...... Almost 70,000 thousand people die each year due to lack of health care, poor health care or denial of coverage, Thats 20, 911's in a year, that the holocaust in ten years, these companies are no better then the terrorists who flew the planes into the towers
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Katelynne Shouse
A M U T H A F U $ I N M E N!!!
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Daniel Gray
Strange you should try and make that lie, you do know that this is what Obamacare was put into place for and since you can get this and not have to pay a premium, then the only reason for them to be dying at the rate you a making up is for their own actions.
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Katelynne Shouse
Mangione for President.....if we're going to have a felon as President, I'd rather have one that actually cares for the people!
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Patricia Ann Gross
Even if Luigi were to be brought up on charges of fraud or murder (in the denial of claims causing death), he is at least one (probably more) step away from any crime that would justify the death penalty. No person in this country can act as judge, jury, and executioner. While I have not been a fan of UHS and have had trouble with them accepting and paying claims to the detriment of my credit rating, in no way do I condone what was done to him. Yes, the healthcare system is broken, but one CEO dying is not going to fix it. UHS is probably still denying claims at the same rate they were before he was killed, and whoever is taking over for him is probably enjoying a security detail paid for by those whose premiums will go up next year to pay for it.
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Richard Bernhardt
I see a lot of passion here. My opinion is that while we ought not celebrate the death of the man, we may still celebrate the event. Brian and Luigi are (and always will be) both deserving of God's mercy and as much of our forgiveness as we can muster. The assassination is now a part of our collective experience and will be remembered for quite some time. It represents several of our social issues (health care, wealth inequality, gun violence and even mob mentality come to my mind) and will be seen as a turning point, for good or ill. As an illustration of my point, I bring up the Battle of the Bulge. While no one celebrates the individual deaths, we still celebrate the victory every year. Peace be with you.
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Lady Mutt Cat
Today's stories are interesting. There's Luigi, and then there's the teenage girl who shot up her school. The facts coming out about the girl's family life are tragic. She chose to shoot a bunch of innocent people because of her pain. Luigi went to the cause of his problem.
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Martin L Stigleman
To commit murder is a horrible crime. Depriving a man of his life and taking a husband and father from his family is not something that should ever be celebrated. We should also never celebrate someone who dies this sort of thing. The fact that someone would willingly take it on themselves to end someone else's life is detestable and should be viewed as a crime by every civilized person. That being said...The fact that anyone of the Christian Faith would condemn a person for shooting a person at a time when so many Christians across the Country are promoting hate and racism, and deifying the evil man at the heart of it is laughable...and if you look at the history of Christianity, it begs the question of if those same "religious ethicists" would speak the same if senior representatives of the church had condemned the man before it happened...or if they would be glorifying "Saint Louigi" instead.
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Keith David Harry
It shouldn’t ruin his future ??? Are you serious? This coward didn’t even have the courage or the fortitude to look his victim in the face before he murderers him. Like the low life ferret that he is, he snuck up behind him and shot him in the back; then ran away to hide. Cowardly piece of social flotsam. And you defend this coward and offer the statement that it shouldn’t ruin his future. His future should be entrance into a wood chipper. Feet first.
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Don Carlo Battaglia
How many of Thompson's victims did HE look in the eye before their life-saving medical procedures were denied?
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John P Maher
AND AGAIN TO ALL DEAF, DUMB and BLIND LOOK at WHAT tRUMP DID and DOES and SHUT the
Fkkk UP, tRUMP IS THE WORSE "P O S" ON THIS PLANET, ASK YER GOD, DUH !-
Daniel Gray
TDS and sour grapes much?
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Ari Joseph Bertine
I don't think you can have TDS and have sour grapes be relevant. Nobody who says they hate Trump actually wanted him in the first place.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
How Christian of you. Aren't you told not to judge or do God's rules only apply to empower white men or to crush abortion rights and LBGTQ rights?
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Emerald Summers
As should the entire Seal Team 6 for storming into a man's home and killing him in his sleep
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Daniel Gray
the difference between this and that is Bin Laden was shown by documentation that he ordered the deaths of millions, you have no documentation of any sort that this man ordered anything, So your analogy is faulty at best and a total fabrication at worst.
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Emerald Summers
Taking a life is murder, no matter the status of the individual. Each soul is no more important than another. Whether in war or in peace murder is murder, yet we praise soldiers of the government for it and alienate the common person for it.
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Emerald Summers
While killing is wrong, stopping the unneeded death of many future victims of a system which has turned from helping people to profiting off their misfortune is to be praised. This is going to be one of those philosophical questions like "knowing what you know know now, given the chance, would you assassinate A.H. to stop the Holocaust?". What if, in a different timeline, this man has been left to live and hundreds of thousands of people were harmed or ended up dead because they were denied health care coverage for much needed surgeries or medications. Would we not, having seen the inhuman nature of such those actions, call to the justice system to set things correct and then be bogged down with months if not years of legal battles over this or that policy. And while thar would be taking place the CEO continues to allow people to be harmed by their misuse of power over whether a medication or surgery is needed as well as lining their pockets with money that doesn't help the people it is intended to help.
Again murder is wrong, but stopping a murderer is not. While blood had yet to stain their hands, the company was set on a course to have just that. We see murders being praised every day in America, with the war on terrorism. Should headlines read, "Israeli family left in ruin after American Air Strike" strikes a different cord than "ISIS leader killed in America Air Strike". One brings out sympathy for a family, the other praise for the death of a leader. It is all a matter of perspective and always will be.
If a killer kills a future killer are they a hero or just another killer? I believe Luigi did what needed to be done. A single death to save thousands. To uncover and showcase the injustice of a system who was starting to practice medicine without a license. Who was going to make life so much harder for others just to profit from these hardships caused by their own hand. I praise Luigi for doing the necessary evil that needed to be done.
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Merlin
Forgive, yes. Forget, NO.
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Rev Morse
No it's not justified, if found guilty, give him life without parole.
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Daniel Gray
Its immoral to celebrate anyone murderer. The guy who did the murder was not even a member of that health care company so any anger he had was not directed at the innocent man he killed.It should have been with his own healt care insurance and no he should not have murdered anyone. His grandmother left him 30 million dollars so he had plenty of money to pay for his own health care, so I find it very much off center for him to start claiming socialistic views now. And as a person who has had 6 spinal fusions because of my military service and am looking at a 7th one very soon which will take up close to 2/3rds of mu back, I can assure you that you dont get into that kind of shape with a bad back as your surgeon will tell you flat out, that there are things you can never do again...FULL STOP Weightlifting, sit ups, roller coasters, skiing, surfing, etc. Anything that puts a strain on your back is now off limits as this would cause strain on the rods and pins thus causing damage to the bones above and below the injury and would 99.9% of the time require yet another surgery to fix the problem that you caused by ignoring the doctors orders.
The only people who are for this murderer are ones that have never had to actually suffer through a spinal fusion and should keep their traps shut on the issue.
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Rev. Diana
The “innocent” man he killed was responsible for 26,000 deaths on his orders to “deny, defend, and depose” in order to increase shareholder profits. I’m one of the “innocent” man’s victims. I’ve been fighting for years to get various surgeries, and, while I am currently laying in a hospital bed after finally getting a spinal fusion, UHC’s policies denied a 15 minute, medically necessary surgery that would allow me to stop taking a med that is removing time from my lifespan every time I take it. Zero sympathy for me, so I have the same for him.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
I'm so sorry Reverend Diana. I wish I could help. I'll light a candle for you and pray that the divine help you.
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Daniel Gray
Prove it Diana, otherwise its just as much a lie as what Matt is spewing.
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Michael Hunt
I love how everyone else has to go to crazy lengths to prove everything to you but you just give your opinion and claim it's fact with no proof and expect us all to accept it.
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Ari Joseph Bertine
It's like he expects people to violate their own privacy for him. I hope he never has the nerve to tell other people to Google things.
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Daniel Gray
prove it, show documentation that he supposedly did this. I bet you wont as you cant! So your opinion sucks snail slime.
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Karsten S. A. Johansson
I'm not convinced the students were walking out for any other purpose than to not be in school that day. Protesting is more fun than school, even if you barely understand the cause. The direct lesson they're learning is that it's perfectly okay to shoot people you don't like - a lesson that seems entirely confined to United States, thankfully.
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Joe Stutler
Is it immoral to celebrate the killing of a killer? Hmmmmmm......... 🤔
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Daniel Gray
what killer Joe? as usual you are wrong. Even the people he worked with on a daily basis have stated that he was trying to get this changed and was doing very well in getting some policies changed and was fighting the board of directors to get others changed. For you to claim him as a killer is just so pathetic that it should not even be allowed to be posted here.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Daniel, that CEO used an AI to deny claims that he knew was wrong 90% of the time. He wasn't innocent.
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Daniel Gray
Matt stop lying. There is no proof of your claim and I challenge you to bring some if you have it, but I wont waste my time in holding my breath and waiting for you to do so as you cant.
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Ari Joseph Bertine
When you accuse people of lying about things that are readily available to read on the internet, the burden of proof that they're lying is on you. You are the one making an extraordinary claim, not them.
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Nicholas J Page
What happened to Thou Shall Not Kill? I think it's morally wrong to kill someone the CEO Should have faced legal justice not at the hand's of a maniac.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Nicholas people of that CEOs wealth never face legal justice in court.
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Reverend Paula Copp
I cannot and do not condone murder, ever. I can, however, understand it in this case. Do I think it was necessary? No. Do I think it was effective? Time will tell.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
It's already been effective. The insurance company was about to cut anesthesia benefits in half, and cancelled that because of this,
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Daniel Gray
another one of your myths. So if this is true then where is your proof?
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Michael Hunt
This released the day after his death: https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/05/health/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-claim-limits/index.html
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Lady Mutt Cat
It's been effective already. Society as a whole is discussing the issue. This has never happened before.
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Michael Hunt
Similar things happened in the industrial revolution when workers were desperate for better wages and working conditions but it's been about a century since.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
The CEO might as well have been a contract killer, with all of the people who died because he denied them coverage. This is karmic justice. Luigi came from a good home, with a good education and good future prospects. This one incident shouldn't ruin his future.
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James Riggle-Johnson
Luigi took a human life. The man was a father and husband. Those children will never see their father again. Luigi committed a premeditated murder, and he should never see the light of day again. We cannot give life back to his victim so why should his murderer be set free? You can despise the healthcare industry without celebrating the murder of one of its CEOs.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
By denying insurance claims, thus denying people life saving medical care - especially when it was done by an AI that he knew was wrong 90% of the time ... the CEO was a killer. Choosing profit over people.
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Daniel Gray
Prove it, I and others didnt know you were in his office 24/7 and saw what he did so you could make that claim. Maybe you need to go to the police and explain your myth of a claim. I am sure they would love to hear from you
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Lady Mutt Cat
Did you miss all of the people whose Thompson's policies killed? Bunches of them were fathers and husbands, too. Thompson took thousands of lives. And since the shooting (you cannot call it murder, although I've seen this ignorant comment elsewhere. Murder is a legal conclusion, to be pronounced by a judge or jury.) Your last sentence could read, "You can despise nazism without celebrating the murder of its CEO."
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James Riggle-Johnson
I get that the insurance industry is broken. It’s a cesspool of greedy degenerates who put personal wealth above helping sick people. Does that mean we should start executing all the CEO’s? Their companies will simply fortify their security to protect them. It will do nothing about their policies.
It’s not just the healthcare industry making record profits. While gas prices continued to skyrocket around the world the oil companies continued to make record profits. I don’t see people trying to take them out. Hunting CEO’s down and killing them will not do anything to change the problem.
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Michael Hunt
That's actually pretty close to what happened during the industrial revolution that lead to major changes in employee safety and the start of unions. Employees went after their employers with violence and it ultimately changed working conditions for the better.
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Klos Kris
He was a hitler, or the terrorists who flew planes into the towers. The company he lead allowed almost 70,000 people die a year for profits. We should be talking about why someone felt like they needed to shoot the CEO, not that the CEO was shot. This will no doubt enlighten his children, and hopefully learn from their fathers mistakes, Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The CEO knew what he was doing.
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James Riggle-Johnson
It could also have the opposite effect on his children. Making them vigilantes passing judgment on other accused murderers and killing them before trial. Would they be justified as well?
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Keith David Harry
It shouldn’t ruin his future ??? Are you serious? This coward didn’t even have the courage or the fortitude to look his victim in the face before he murdered him. Like the low life ferret that he is, he snuck up behind him and shot him in the back; then ran away to hide. Cowardly piece of social flotsam. And you defend this coward and offer the statement that it shouldn’t ruin his future. His future should be entrance into a wood chipper. Feet first.
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Don Carlo Battaglia
How many of Thompson's victims did HE look in the eye?
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
How many rapists have gotten off because of the very reason I stated. But the victim here was a man and not a woman, so different rules I guess.
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Ari Joseph Bertine
Not defending either man involved, just want to remark that Mangione is/was at least in the same tax bracket as his victim, or higher. I'm surprised he was actually arrested, considering that the taller the stack of money you stand on, the higher you are above the law. Backstabbing is very corporate, he was just exercising their culture.
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Reverend Paula Copp
I’m sorry… WHAT?
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Reverend Paula Copp what are you questioning?
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Daniel Gray
She is questioning you and this time I support her 1000% as you make absolutely no sense.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
The CEO might has well been a contract killer, because of the people who died because he denied them coverage. This is karmic justice. Luigi came from a good home, with a good education and good future prospects. This one incident shouldn't ruin his future.
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Daniel Gray
prove it Matt
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Don Carlo Battaglia
You prove it, Daniel. You base 100% of your moral authority on a book of fairy tales that have zero historical evidence.
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Daniel Gray
Oh no, dont even go there. A claim was made and I challenged him to prove it. Now either Matt cant prove it and you are trying to cover for him which means both of you are wrong, or you are trying to justify the murder of an innocent.
Which is it?
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Don Carlo Battaglia
Don't even go there? Of course you would say that. You and bible-thumpers throughout history have come up with exactly zero evidence of literally anything written as worship-worthy "fact" in that magical book you selectively quote when it suit you. Try Googling "UnitedHealth algorithims: and here is the first item that pops up:
https://www.statnews.com/2023/11/14/unitedhealth-class-action-lawsuit-algorithm-medicare-advantage/
Then keep going -- the evidence of United Health's horrific actions under Thompson is overwhelmig. You want proof -- there it is, just waiting for you. Now STFU about your "proof."
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Colleen McAllister
Celebrating the murder of anyone is morally wrong. It was not Mangione's place to act as judge, jury, and executioner. He needs to be punished via the same justice system that he tried to usurp.
BTW Jesus was not murdered. He went willingly to that cross and gave His life as a sacrifice. For us.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Jesus asked God not to kill him and God said get on that tree and Jesus obeyed. He didn't need to die. His death served no purpose. His death was supposed to wash away sin, yet we still not only have sin, but original sin from before Jesus died. The God of Abraham is a genocidal narcissist that inspired the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Witch trials and slavery in America.
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ServantOfJudgement
Jesus did not ask God to not kill him Matthew. It was the temporary separation from God that was troubling to Jesus, not the death of the body. By the way, we humans are permanently separated from God unless we value what Jesus did on the cross. The killing of a truly innocent man apparently has cosmic implications. It's quite the feeling of euphoria when one is right with God.
Waves of murder in the name of Jesus are inspired by evil men under the influence of Satan or mankind's own moral compass which always points down.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Matthew 26:39 (NIV):
"Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, 'My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.'"
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David Cox
There you go posting stuff you do not understand. Worry about your own belief and stop bashing others because of your ignorance
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
I was a Christian for half my life. I'm a former lay Eucharistic minister, lay reader, usher, altar boy and Vestryman. I've read the bible more times then you have.
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Lady Mutt Cat
You're one of the few sane voices here, Matthew.
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Thomas P. Davis
Matthew, Jesus did not come to do away with sin. Just look at the world. He came to pay the penalty for that sin that required a perfect sacrifice. That is why satan was constantly trying to get Him to sin, to void that sacrifice. Along with the sacrifice He gave us the ability to flee from sin. When God created Adam, He opened his side and created the perfect woman. When the soldier pierced the side of the second Adam, out poured water and blood. The ingredients for a perfect woman(church) blood to cover the sin and water (Holy spirit) to give us the power to overcome.
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Lionheart
Thank you. I agree with your first 4 sentences. 🤗
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Theresa C. Marquess
Celebrating the murder of anyone is immoral. We are talking about a human being who at the time of his death, was simply walking on a NYC street on his way to a meeting. He had as much right to live as anyone else does, including the perpetrator who murdered him.
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Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox
Celebrating the death of Hitler, pedophile priests, mass murderers is not immoral. It is expected.
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Thomas P. Davis
Elizbeth, not expected from a true Christian.
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Reverend Paula Copp
Thomas, judge not that ye be not judged…
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
That CEO, like any of the 1% are to wealthy to ever be punished by the court. This is the only justice that could ever happen.
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Theresa C. Marquess
To Elizabeth and Matthew, I have no idea what is wrong with your generation! To celebrate anyone's death is wrong. Where is your sense of morality? You are vilifying the wrong people. The CEO was a murder victim. Who are you to judge what you consider his sins or anyone else's? Have either of you ever read the bible? It does say Judge not lest you be judged. Let me suggest that you look deeply into your own selves before you decide that this man's murder is justified. Shame on you!
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Theresa, I'm not a christian, but I've read the Bible many times. If Christians aren't to judge, then no christian should speak out against Luigi. The CEO used an AI to deny claims, that he was aware was wrong 90% of the time.
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Theresa C. Marquess
I do not agree with you at all. Murder is wrong. How do you see that murder justifies something that someone else has done. Apparently Luigi was blessed to have been born in a family of wealth. He acts like he resents that. He chose to take a life. To rob a man of his future. If that man is guilty of wrong doings it will catch up with him. It always does. That is Karma. Taking a life because you don't like someone's actions is wrong. It is NOT Karma. I don't understand why you can't see that. It matters not whether you are a Christian or whether you have read the Bible, what matters is that you didn't learn anything from it...
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Also, how do you know what generation that I am?
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Theresa C. Marquess
Does that really matter in the whole scheme of things???
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Robert James Ruhnke
People in your generation celebrated the death of those they disliked too, Theresa. Get off your high horse before ya fall off. Shame on you for sticking up for a man who made it his mission to deny people health care. Ending many lives in the process. The shame goes to you.
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Theresa C. Marquess
Robert, Here we go again, disagreeing. You have no idea who I am, what my feelings are, or how I live. Not shame on me, shame on you for not seeing that a murder committed by Luigi is wrong. To take anyone's life, under any circumstances is wrong. That's what this is all about. I'm not 'sticking up' for anyone. What I am trying to convey to you is that any wrong doings by the CEO should have been handled by the United States Court System. Two wrongs don't make a right. The CEO may have been guilty of wrong doings, but so is Luigi!
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Lady Mutt Cat
Do you condemn the people who celebrated Hitler's death?
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Theresa C. Marquess
Mutt Cat, To celebrate anyone's death is a terrible thing. Hitler was an evil person, however, he was as rightful to his life as anyone else would be. That's why there are courts. They determine a person's guilt or innocence. After WWII there were the Nuremberg Trials during which Nazi leaders were prosecuted for their war crimes and the crimes against humanity which they participated in. Hitler should have been among those persecuted, but his death was by his own hand. The coward's way out, rather than face his wrongdoings. And you want to celebrate that? What's wrong with you?
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Michael Hunt
And what happens when those courts don't hold anyone accountable for their actions? By denying claims, he was executing his fiduciary duty to shareholders to maximize profits before all else which means he can't be held responsible for the unnecessary deaths caused by his company's policies.
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Theresa C. Marquess
Hi Michael, It sounds to me like you have become the judge, jury, and executioner here. It's not up to you personally until or unless you serve on the jury. Now that won't happen at all because Luigi has taken it upon himself to serve as the judge, jury, and executioner. I still and always will uphold the right to a jury trial for a person who has been accused of any crime, and that also means Brian Johnson.
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Daniel Gray
what justice matt, or are you 6 degrees off bubble yet again
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Justice for the people who died because he denied their claims.
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Geoffrey C. Olive
I don’t know, but I don’t think the CEO would personally deny any claims, but has to take overall responsibility for the company’s policies! This denial would be done by an office waller following some rules re claims! Blame that person if you’re looking for a scapegoat!
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Daniel Gray
Murder is not justification for anything and if you believe it is then you are one sick puppy and should have a guardian around you 24/7
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Daniel Gray
Name one matt, otherwise its your twisted opinion and not based on fact or reality
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Rev. Miche'al Yosef Dixon
Biblically we shouldn't "Celebrate" anyone's death regardless of how they died; that said keep it in mind come Friday, April 18, 2025 the very "Christians" that would criticize the murderer will "Celebrate" Yeshua the Messiah's Murder. Then teach their children three days later The Easter Bunny laid colored Easter egg and presents like the magical Satan Claws in a few weeks. There are many people I'd like to kill but Yeshua My Messiah told me to leave them to Him. So, I take my PTSD meds; In the Gulf War we were killing people because our Government was paying us to kill them, and Americans celebrating their deaths then pretend that they are all high and moral. That CEO was no worse than any other CEO of a major money grubbing corporation. Cut the Hydra's head off two more will grow in it's place.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Reverend, Abrahamics more people have been tortured and murdered in the name of God, then for any other reason. Your God has committed Genocide, sent plagues, destroyed 2 cities and had his own son murdered in the second worst way possible. Yet millions of people praise, worship and adore him. He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.
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David Cox
Stop talking about God that way. If you don't understand anything about the bible. Don't speak out of ignorance
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
David are you saying that the Great Flood, the plagues of Egypt, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, his own son being murdered by his will didn't happen?
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Reverend Paula Copp
David, please read 1Cor. 13:1-13
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Thomas P. Davis
Matthew, just because people claim that some of these atrocities were done in the name of God, does not mean that He did them as you imply. When it comes to the Flood and Egypt and Sodom and Gomorrah, He gave them ample time to repent.
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Daniel Todd Kamm
Oh dear...! tk
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Tom Thackrey
Describing Brian Thompson as innocent is a stretch. It could easily be argued that he had considerable blood on his hands.
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Daniel Gray
prove it Tom
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Reverend Paula Copp
Google it, Daniel
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Daniel Gray
Already did paula, seemingly you have not. He was in the lead to try and get the policies you claimed as bad, changed. Every worker he worked with and even the Board of Directors have all said the exact same thing. So tell us paula, who are we to believe? the people who worked with him daily and knew him and his actions far better then you or anyone else trying to justify this murder, or the people like you that are somehow trying to justify his murder?
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Reverend Paula Copp
Funnily enough, Daniel, I don’t remember Jesus quizzing the money lenders whether or not they had denied someone before he kicked them ALL OUT!
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Clay Serenbetz
Yes. Celebrating is mentally sick and morally repugnant. Furthermore, it solves nothing. It does, however, deprive two children of the love of their father.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
How about the thousands of people that died because the CEO denied coverage to the people who paid for it. And it did solve something. The insurance company was that day announcing they were cutting benefits in regard to anesthesia and they reversed that decision over this. So, I see the good from this action.
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James Mounts
Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
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Daniel Gray
Name one Matthew....
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Patricia Ann Gross
Matthew, The CEO may have led the charge, but he was not the one that denied the claims. It was the healtcare system's policy to do so. My guess is that they are still denying claims at the same rate as before the murder on the order of the new management and board of directors.
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Lady Mutt Cat
Were all of the people who celebrated Hitler's death mentally sick? Was it okay with Hitler because he caused the killing of more than Thompson? Don't forget that Hitler didn't personally kill anybody. It was his policies that were carried out by others that caused the deaths. Just like Thompson.
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John P Maher
WELL PEOPLE ARE CELEBRATING tRUMPs WIN, I SEE NO DIFFERENCE, I GO FOR LUIGI YEAH !
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Lionheart
Please get well!
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Rev. BH
Celebrating Trumps win = killing a guy. Sure John, no difference.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
How many people died because DT lied and said that Covid would disappear overnight like a miracle and told people not to wear masks and inject bleach into their veins?
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Rev. BH
No disagreement with your statement, MM. I'm making a totally different point in regards to ALL CAPS MAN's Trump was elected so its OK to kill somebody non sequitur.
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Daniel Gray
You mean PELOSI and the little goblins statements of this not being anything and to go out and enjoy yourself. There Matthew, fixed it for you
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Michael Hunt
That was Trump and his cronies who said those things. He called it a Democrat hoax.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
No,Daniel. Check this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-repeats-coronavirus-will-go-away/
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Daniel Gray
yea right and I see all of you refuse to listen to facts
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/coronavirus-speaker-house-nancy-pelosi-tours-san-franciscos-chinatown/
The little goblin also tried to claim Covid wasnt as bad as they were trying to make it out to be https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-select-subcommittee-releases-dr-faucis-transcript-highlights-key-takeaways-in-new-memo/
Fauci tries to CHA and disputes with the WHO about Covid https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/10/dr-anthony-fauci-says-whos-remark-on-asymptomatic-coronavirus-spread-was-not-correct.html
At no time did Trump say or claim what you are trying to say he did. But I just gave you links proving that it was pelosi and her little goblins that made it worse.
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Reverend Paula Copp
I suppose you get your information from Fox News (which already claimed it was nothing more than entertainment. Look up court records, not Breitbart.
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James Riggle-Johnson
He always spews conspiracy theories and statistics that appear on Fox or Breitbart or just made up in his mind. He is frequently rude and exhausting.
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Alexander Clarke
You can not confuse stupid people with the facts.
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James Riggle-Johnson
Daniel, now that you’ve hopped on the COVID train and are spewing more lies, let’s break down some of your fiction.
1) Pelosi’s statement came from February 2020 when we were still somewhat unsure what impact COVID would have in the US. 2) tRumps rant about it was “going to go away” was at the end of April 2020, after his experts told him it was not. 3) I’m not even touching the last link because it’s the tRumplican parties sub-committee going after Fauci.
tRump did say exactly what Matthew and the CBS article said he did. Again, you’re just squishing your face up and screaming at what you think goes against your Orange Jesus cult.
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I don't agree with killing at all, but it still happens, people are very aware of the facts here, it is wrong to kill, it is immoral to kill and you may not recieve salvation for an act of murder...but it is the high level leaders who have made killers the reasons they create jobs.
So could this possibly be karma, it's like when the officer who had killed George Floyd was killed in prison, you have to wonder, is there also justice from spirit and afterlife that comes back to make wrongs right.
Could this be something that happens because now we are forced to see, the people we are told are good, rich and run our systems are corrupt that spirits have returned and karma is making us aware....There is a price for seeing men as gods and not men. We have a priest as a leader for instance how do we trust a man who falls from leadership of God's to feeling the power he gets under a male system is superior or will gain him more power than he had as 22+ years as a minister under God maybe this is a way to say, men in leadership of any kind will bring the people to corruption. They should have not convinced us so much and so hard with murder to keep men in power and judgement would be making it look like to gain power on earth as a man, you must kill. Religious leaders agreed with murder to keep their faiths alive, now men in leadership face death for having leadership gained by murder and lies. Gods and spirit also bring us the truth, the way and make right the wrongs, it's clear men are not good leaders. This is a sign they have failed to teach people killing is not the answer, they use it to stay in power ever time they have war, capitalism and corrupt leadership's that are so bad people feel relief from their loss.