Technology is changing the world in many exciting ways, but some worry the next wave of advances could prove incredibly damaging for humanity. The newest culprit?
Ultra-realistic sex robots.
That's right the same technological breakthroughs which allow people to have a conversation with Alexa about the weather or purchase a life-like prosthetic limb are now being harnessed to create highly advanced robots capable of fulfilling all manner of sexual desires.
A Dire Warning
Sex dolls have been around for a while now, but this is totally different. The next generation of AI companions will be much more realistic and intelligent spurring experts to warn anyone who will listen that this technology could change humanity forever.
"We're just doing all this stuff with machines because we can and not really thinking how this could change humanity completely," explains scientist Noel Sharkey in a new documentary called Sex Robots and Us. "Some people have suggested that sex robots create an attitude of 'too easy' sex which is always available. This could take meaning out of our lives and turn us into zombies."
The End of Dating
Although frightening, it's possible to imagine a dystopian future in which human romance dies out and all sexual desires are fulfilled by robots who successfully mimic human behavior. This could be a serious problem why bother going on dates when you can simply purchase a custom-made girlfriend or boyfriend?
Japan is already grappling with this phenomenon. The country's people seem to have lost interest in dating, as marriage rates and birth rates have plummeted in recent years. Nearly half of men and women aged 18-34 are virgins. This has led to a burgeoning population crisis that's been greatly exacerbated by advances in technology.
As human romance becomes less common, AI romance is on the rise. Over 2,000 silicone dolls (dubbed 'Dutch Wives') are sold each year in Japan alone, making it a huge market for sex robots as they become more and more realistic. There's even a term for people who covet AI companionship: digisexuals.
Japan isn't alone, however. Certain brothels in South Korea and Spain welcome the use of sex dolls. Last year, Germany opened its first "doll-only" brothel, and a subsequent survey found that one-in-five Germans were interested in buying a robotic sexual partner.
Ethical Issues
But this isn't just about human interaction and maintaining normal relationships. There are serious ethical concerns with sex robot technology, too.
Picture a world where a pedophile can hop on the internet and order a child companion to use in their own sick fantasies. Or where a serial rapist could order a robot programmed to be shy and say 'no'.
How would you go about regulating that? Some would say we should outlaw such practices altogether to avoid enabling such horrific behavior. But others might argue the opposite that it's better to allow it to happen to robots and save real people from becoming victims.
Changes on the Horizon
At some point soon, such concerns will have to faced head-on. Although not yet entirely realistic, these robots are well on their way. And some experts predict that in only a few decades we could see robots become indistinguishable from human partners. "They will have an AI 'personality' and the ability to chat with you. The race is on to produce them first and they are coming soon," explains U.K. researcher Dr. Kate Devlin.
It seems like reality and science-fiction are destined to collide. As HBO's hit series Westworld gets set to premier its second season this weekend, these warnings seem all the more prescient. Imagine the complex characters of Westworld available online at the click of a button. Is humanity ready for that?
For those who are chronically single, lonely, disabled, or just fed up with relationships, sophisticated sex robots could be an alluring option. But the worry is they'll become so popular and widely accessible, that eventually they'll replace human partners altogether.
For better or worse, society has become dependent upon and indeed fallen in love with technology. But what will become of us when that technology can love us back, with no strings attached?
120 comments
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Colin Saysell.
I had waffles for breakfast. I just wanted to share that with you.
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Maurice Slaunwhite
Yahuwah will never ever let this happen because women were made by our creator not to let robots take over. The Lord thy God himself Will Destroy Every robot that plans to take the place of what God plans for life. Amen.
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William Waugh
Yeah, people might vote out the extensive use of these things but fire and brimstone, lightning and bowling pins?....doubt it.
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Lovedollapalace
I'm not completely agree with you because all are busy in their and almost are frustrated with their life. So sex partners can't satisfied to each other or sometimes both are not convenience to each other for sex. So people are using sex dolls to relief from frustration.
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Glenn P Ordell
Dear Maurice,
Yes, but merely being Biblical no longer holds up in court... But than again you will have to discuss that matter with the new, robotic judges, that deliver justice instantly if you pay them enough!
Aloha from the Big Island of Hawaii, Glenn
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Maurice Slaunwhite
Sex is for Man and woman only and that is Biblical. Robots no.
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James
BTW,,,, Who is gonna clean up the mess after each session. Kinda (a very expensive) like using a used condom.
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James
GOD / LOVE are synonymous. Interchangeable in context usage (biblical-etymology). Now lets look at many scripture. IE: Exodus, Psalm & Isaiah, where it mentions variations of "Thou shall have no false love (gods) B4 thee". Been around for 10 years or 1000 years. Inanimate objects could be a false form of love.
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Gary Franciosi
Isn't it a good thing to keep child molesters and rapists at home and away from real humans? I'd rather give them a robot and a note that says, "knock yourself out chief", instead of having them wandering around loose on the streets. And as far as everyone else, people will gravitate to people naturally. Not only for sex. You have plenty of people right now that mix with others, and plenty of others that want to be left alone. So what's the real difference, besides the ick factor that everyone will label them with eventually. Isn't this the same problem that gay or mixed race couples have fought for centuries? We are only now coming to grips with these former "outsiders", and realizing that they aren't hurting anyone and are happy in their "differences". Eventually, this will come to pass also.
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Catherine Ohrin-Greipp, MSW, ADS, OM
First of all child predators do not assault children for sex. It is about power and control, Same for rapists. But they have other things in common besides the above, and that is thinking errors and cognitive distortions. They lack empathy, are narcissistic, self centered. They convince themselves they are only providing " sex education", or the that the child "liked it or that it was harmless. But the truth is, they are attracted to children and act out sexually with them to satisfy their fragile egos. Rapists are more of the women hating types and they can use their power and manipulative behavior to control their victims. Many of these perpetrators have active sex liveswith an adult partner. There is no debate here. I started my career treating both children and adult victims, as well as, county wide adjudicated pedophiles in specialized group treatment.
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James
@ Catherine... First of all child predators do not assault children for sex?... Sex IS one of the many reasons children are assaulted (unsure what the % may be in relation to power, control ease of subduing, etc.)... I worked w/ a guy 30 years ago. He openly boasted how he dated small / short women because it made him feel like he was w/ a child.
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Catherine Ohrin-Greipp, MSW, ADS, OM
@James: You "worked with a guy 30 years ago"????? "Worked with a guy?? What does that mean? "You're kidding right? An expert in the field of sex offender assessment and treatment you are not. I am. I am not writing a professional article for you guys here so I will not go into diagnostic and clinical details about assessing and treating adjudicated sex offenders and rapists. But you wasted your time posting to me. Some of you guys here are really funny with your lack of knowledge yet you pretend to know more than you actually do. Nice tryl
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Glenn P Ordell
Dear Catherine (and James), I believe that everyone's experience is relevant when classifying and predicting how a particular individual might respond to a helping hand, whether hands were offered mutually or the result of the adjudication process. So while the case that James reported is possible, but as Catherine points out, that it is highly unlikely for most perpetrators of sex crimes. Although I don't have the experiences that either of you have had, I'm in my last year of getting a Master's Degree in Clinical Mental Health Counseling and then getting licensure, but in my 67 years on this planet, I have not had my eyes closed all of the time.
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Carl Elfstrom
These comments are getting wicked, and I'm having a blast ! These fools are getting all bent out of shape. Once again, all I can add is "Pleased to meet you. Won't you guess my name?
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Glenn Ordell
Dear Kell,
I 'r' one...
Aloha, Glenn
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Glenn P Ordell
I see that there are many givers of advice commenting on the disparaging words that spring forth from the mouths, or in this case pens, of certain people. So this missive is directed at those giving such insightful advice: Save you breathe. The best way to silence idiots is to ignore them. OK, I'll admit that this isn't the "ultimate" in best ways. You could also try cutting off their tongue and fingers. My personal advice on that one is this: From experience, I know that doing what I suggested is a very messy job, and due to arterial squirting, could end up messing up the very clothes you are wearing with blood stains. And the other problem is that it is really tough to stop after after the first finger comes off and you hear all of those lovely screams. If you want to have fewer loud screams, start with the tongue! Disclaimer: My words are meant in jest, as I have never been an advocate of violence. Yet, I am sure the idiot who spawned this series of counterpoints to his criticisms will not be able to understand my comments either.
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Kelly
Oh my. ? What a visual ? way for me to end reading this and go on to another. You should be a writer!!! Take care! Always, Kell
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Carl Elfstrom
You're so silly Glen that I'm not going to waste my time on you, but am definitely going to ignore you.
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Carl Elfstrom
I guess the other ministers are tired of talking about sex robots and are ready for a new article. Or maybe they're too stoned to comment. Happy 420 everyone ! Toke it up!
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Carl Elfstrom
However, a whole lot of food isn't available in some of those countries either. So the world isn't likely to become overpopulated by starving, poor people, and robots aren't going to have bloated guts from malnutrition. Who would want to have sex with a malnourished robot ? That would even be too deviant to put in Hustler magazine. ....or would it ?
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Mark
The other thought is population control though this technology probly isn't available in 3rd world countries.
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Mark
Couple of thoughts... If the lonely ill at ease flock to this technology will a super race of humans evolve. Relationships are enhanced by memories, conversation etc. Those that have no problems with human interaction will have children while those that have issues will not...
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Glenn Ordell
I appreciate the brilliance of your comment, Mark. This could be a parallel statement to Darwin's maxim: Survival of the most loving...
What a pleasant thought!
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stone sherrill
there is also the philosphical qualms with ai. some people are pushing the concept of artificial intelligence for even sexbots, but there goes the case of how moral is it to force an ai to have, say, a "sex please" on switch whenever the person wants. and indeed, concepts of slavery for something intelligent. even if artificial?
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stone sherrill
on one hand, i always love the concept of a more cyberpunk world. but on the other hand cyberpunk worlds are not conductive to good worlds :P.
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Carl Elfstrom
Tom, I'm not here to be your teacher, so I need not be specific. From what I've gathered from your comments you wouldn't be able to comprehend the kind of knowledge or spiritual concepts I have to offer. No offense intended, but your still a newborn babe grappling in the dark, like many of the rest of these ministers. If that wasn't so I wouldn't feel called to post nearly as many comments or replies,and it is becoming very frustrating to try to educate y'all. But y'all keep smarting off anyway as if your shit didn't stink. I am going to take a long break from this blog until those of whom which I am referring,such as your holier than though self, either get your acts together, or fall off the side of the planet, and get lost in the ether. Ciou bambino.
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Carl Elfstrom
Tom in New Jersey. I have distant cusinos in Elizabeth. Is that close to where you're at. That's on the Civilian side of my family. Let me know rufiano, some of them might like to meet you. Ciou, steste lardo.
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JASON D BENDER
People who claim La Costra Nostra ties over the internet, in the clear, as part of an implied threat are 100% full of shi.t
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Tom
With all the sexual misconduct allegations coming out against men, this seems like a safer alternative than attempting to engage in any kind of relationship with women.
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Carl Elfstrom
Why not try bisexuality, Tom? That's another great way to avoid relationships with women, unless you're a switch hitter. Then again, like you've already said St. Thomas sir, there's nothing wrong with masterbation. Just don't cast your seed on the ground.
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Tom B
Carl...respectfully...try meditation...you may find it enlightening...Peace...Tom
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Carl Elfstrom
Tom, have you ever listened to bi - naural beat frequencies. I meditate in no less than theta, where magick is created.
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Tom B
Carl...i do not doubt anything you say; i am asking that you be specific...Peace...Tom
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Tom
Hi Carl, I'm a different Tom from the one you've been trolling. Go throw sand in someone elses sandbox or try growing up.
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Carl Elfstrom
Maybe there are now two Toms that need me to minister to them. Oh goodie, that sounds like fun.
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David
Please note that Elon Musk, Zukerberg, even Hawkins and Cook has been warning everybody about AI. This technology is moving at such a rapid pace that it will be ready before you know it. Manufacturing, phone calls, and anything that you can think of will come to pass if we are not careful. If AI becomes so advanced there will be no need for humans and that is the real fear.
Hold on folks, if this is not controlled, we are all doomed. Facebook built two robots with AI and they started to carry on a conversation and created their own language. They were taken down almost immediately. This is going to get really scary in the near future.
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JASON D BENDER
". If AI becomes so advanced there will be no need for humans and that is the real fear." Nope. that is not the fear of Musk, Hawkins and Cook. The fears are of the consequences of allowing AI to control major national and global systems - such as power grid, banking or missile defense.
"Facebook built two robots with AI and they started to carry on a conversation and created their own language." - you do not understand what occured. They were chatbots, not robots with AI. The company chose to shut down the chats because "our interest was having bots who could talk to people", researcher Mike Lewis told FastCo. (Researchers did not shut down the programs because they were afraid of the results or had panicked, as has been suggested elsewhere, but because they were looking for them to behave differently.)
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Jonathan Caldwell
Seriously, folks, at the very least it offers some mitigation of the sex traffiking market. That alone should justify it.
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Trevor
In this world where isolationism. social separation and disconnection are all thrust upon us by technology, this is just another step in that direction. Organisations such as political parties, cults, many churches, and (anti) social cultures try to rule the masses by separating those masses into smaller or even individual entities. It makes us easier to rule and more open to being manipulated. This is just another step in that direction. I see no issue with any sort of technology, used wisely and moderately. I prefer my own life to be lived in touch with nature and the natural, but it isn't my place to judge the choices of others. "I may not agree with your choices, but I will fight to the death for you to have the right to make those choices." Having read the comments of others, it is easy to see that some agree with the technology, and the perceived reason for the technology, but I see others being flippant or directly opposed. And that is what makes us what we are. That is what puts 'human' into 'humanity'. Our differences. Blessings, Peace, and Light.
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Carl Elfstrom
In The Light. Wasn't that by Led Zeppelin ?
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Dianna Stevens
I am in my 50s and I sell sex products for a living. In most cases healthy people with or without partners understand that toys are essentially backscratchers for their sex drive. Many couples buy toys to enhance or deal with issues with their sex lives. I've seen desperate people trying to save their marriages and couples joyously jumping into intimate adventures after the kids leave the nest. And I have seen lonely people and older widowers (men and women) try to work through their needs both physically and psychologically.
An example of this was an old farmer in his 80s came into buy an inflatable doll. He didn't have to tell me the details but he did. He didn't care if it was a sex doll at all. He lost his wife a year ago and misses that spot in the bed filled with her presence. He had no intentions of marrying another she was the one and only. He said he would dress it in her favorite gown and wig and thought he might be able to sleep better with her there by his side. His eyes and mine both filled with tears. This article leaps to grand assumptions that human intimacy is endangered by sex dolls etc. and it would encourage all sorts of nastiness.
Over the years I've seen young men and women mature into sexually responsible people. Using sex toys to scratch that itch, explore and develop confidence for those times when they had found an intimate relationship, marriage, etc. Think less of those awkward first times oopsies and more of a passionate expression of emotions and the gift of a decent or memorable first encounter.
If a realistic robot doll can a person feel better in their solitude for whatever reason. I think some folks need to chill out. All such products in the US are already regulated video, artwork, reading material, and products must be or depict models over 18.
I'm sorry but human intimacy was already devastated by cell phones and texting, the anonymity of the internet and the over saturation of opinion overload on sex,violence and politics.
My 2 cents anyways. PS I love counseling senior couples too it's worth those big smiles.
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Tom B
Dianna...thank you for another valid perspective...Peace...Tom
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Carl Elfstrom
I wish I had a counselor like you. And I'm in my fifties, single, and also like to play with toys. Thankyou for that post. It's the best one I've read on this subject yet.
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Roger Svensson
And then there could be robot swapping or robot renting..... how about kKey Clubs where we bring our robots and see which ones we like and swap them for the night. The conservative right-wing population who controls the rest of us (especially sexually unless we take legal or moral risk) won't be necessary........ It will solve the disease problems we have(hiv, stds, etc.) and the risk of jail time, public disclosure used to deter others with newspapers and tv news showing our pictures as busted "Johns" causing divorce with families breaking apart caused by unfulfilled sex. Remember ne of Hitler's big problems in life..... he was in love with a Jewish lady and could never fulfill his desire because she didn't know about him and he could never make the connection ....who knows maybe this would have solved the problem and we wouldn't have had this sexual deviant who came to power driven by his frustrations. Ultimately it just comes down to people fulfilling their desires and needs so they can find their way back to God. All these things are just distractions and searches in our journey until we can see what's really important and that is our realization of who we are really are.... human spirits ......God in human form trying to find our way back to our own Source and in resting in the peace that we really are made in God's image and ultimately are of God's essence. (remember the great sages and teachers have taught us that God is in everything)
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Carl Elfstrom
And everything is in the Mind of The All. The universe is mental.
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Ron
Everything else in the world has gone high tech. Why should masturbation be left out?
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Carl Elfstrom
That's right, Ron. And sex robots even beat electronic penis pumps.
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KJ (Father Johnni) MacKenzie-Anderson
One man's sexual norms may be another person's sexual deviation. Ultimately, sexuality has nothing to do with a belief system which can be viewed as unwarranted interference. If Trump and Putin, with May and Brexit,manage to bomb us all right back to the stone age, I'm all for giving sex-swapping Mithras and bull-worship a chance!
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John
It's the @Carl Elfstrom' forum. Too much time on your hands mate
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Carl Elfstrom
Thankyou, John. I think you're right. Maybe I should start going back to A.A. meetings. They might have recovered from my dizzy B.S. by now.
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Carl Elfstrom
Then again sir, if more good ministers like yourself would post more comments It wouldn't seem like I was posting as many. And apparently sir, the good ol'ULC must be satisfied with my "Forum", or they wouldn't post my comments. I'm really not trying to take center stage, but a lot of things keep coming to my mind about these articles which seem pertinent and beneficial, to myself and apparently the ULC. Sorry if you're jealous, and can't think of more to say. I guess some of us are more natural at it than others. If you resent that sir, you might try praying about it.
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Carl Elfstrom
I sure would like to here what Owens, Happeny, and Maher think about this subject, as well as Rabbi Jim, but wish Tom would get sucked up by that vacuum he mentioned, along with all his love dovie and supposed peace. For only action talks, and BS walks.
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Tom B
Carl...respectfully, you misunderstand "life"...there is nothing you can do that has a more positive effect on you and others than to be loving, compassionate and forgiving...anything less constitutes a misunderstanding of the universe, and certainly of Christ and the other great "leaders"...Peace...Tom
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Tom B
Joseph...are you being directed to interfere with my comments?...do you want me to directly contact the ULC?...please let me know...thank you...Peace...Tom
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Carl Elfstrom
Tom, finally you've said something that I agree with completely, but I'm sure my understanding of life is far better than you think it is. If you want to know what I believe read the Kybalion by Three Initiates, on Hermetic Philosophy. You can get it from Amazon. After reading that read The Wiccan Mysteries by Raven Grimassi. Then you will begin to know me, sir. Thankyou.
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Carl Elfstrom
Furthermore Tom, you might lighten up and try some humour. Not necessarily to the extent that I do, or even half as much, but at least a little would help. You seem to take all this stuff way too seriously. If we were standing face to face right now I'd give you a hug and a kiss. I'm far more spiritual than you seem to think, and maybe a little queer thrown in for good measure. Keep the faith, Brother !
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Kelly
You r cheesy. ❤️??That's good! Try to keep pushing those positive vibes out into the world and I promise it comes back better. Love = patience, kindness and understanding
We ALL could always be a little better. You are an interesting fella. LOL Take good care! My two cents! LOL Always, Kell
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Tom B
Carl...i do not see the point of reading something to learn about what you believe, since i am willing to let you expound on what you believe...i could tell you what i read, and where i have learned, but dialogue is much better...Peace...Tom
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Kelly
Peace to you! You have the good vibes bud! Keep it up! ❤️?? A lot of people wouldn't have been as calm as you here. Very interesting I came to read about AI robots. I have to keep learning about stuff. So scared for the kids. But have faith! And pixie dust! ☄?✨ Take care! Always, Kell
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Carl Elfstrom
P.S. And the straight priests could have their own robot nuns. Wouldn't that be sinful !
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JASON D BENDER
robot boys, silly billy!
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Catherine Ohrin-Greipp, MSW, ADS, OM
Lordy, Lordy help my soul, take me to heaven in a sugar bowl!!!!
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Carl Elfstrom
I love that comeback, my dear Lady Catherine. I'm going to have to remember that.
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Carl Elfstrom
And that reminds me of another song "Pour Some Sugar On Me" by Def Leppard". That sounds like a lot of fun, but probably not something I'd want to do with a sex robot. They don't have nerve endings (yet), and couldn't feel me licking it off.
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Tom B
This is an issue of society refusing to deal with itself...taken in a vacuum, it is just another way of masturbating...taken holistically, it is a problem of further breakdown of human interaction...Tom
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Carl Elfstrom
This is the most wonderful thing I've ever heard of! I am totally ecstatic! I just wish I could afford to buy one... or two. One male and one female. I won't explain that. I guess I better start buying more lottery tickets,since I'm allergic to work. This is the end of overpopulation. So what if God needs to find another planet for souls to have Incarnations on. He has more than plenty of them. With less population comes less crime. I hope every pervert gets as many robots as it takes to fulfill all of their fantasies. That will put an end to sex crimes, reduce prison population,and reduce the need for mental hospitals and shrienks. Every catholic priest should have his own robot altar boys. Just think if they malfunction and start having sex on the altar. The hope of someday seeing that could lead me back to the church, and acting like a christian. Praise the lord ! Amen and amen!
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Catherine Ohrin-Greipp, MSW, ADS, OM
OM Goodness, Carl, this is total genius!!!!! HAAAA, Except, do you still believe in that mythical guy in the sky with the long white beard just waiting to zap the hell out of all of us???
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Carl Elfstrom
I never believed in such a myth, Catherine. I'm a natural, eclectic, solitary Wiccan. Blessed be !
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Rev. John D. Partin
Does anyone here consider that AIs might also switch back and forth between loving us and hating us? What would the Terminator have done if it had succeeded in killing Sarah Connor and had fulfilled its mission? Would it have moved into the San Fernando Valley with a department store mannequin, since there wouldn't be any AIs on its level to shack up with, and try to have a home life and move on or create its own AIs and be a happily married man and father, going to a 9 to 5 job every day, day in and day out for years, until all of that drove it berserk again and it started terminating more people at random?!! Why should we be surprised at some people's going off on murder sprees when that could even happen with unemotional cyborgs like him?!! What if your sex doll decides that it's not getting anything out of its relationship with you and sues for divorce or wants a trial separation or demands a pre-nuptial agreement before it will consent to marrying you because it has been noticing you hanging around the women's clothing stores and trying to pick up the mannequins (literally, pick them up and take them home, like in the Swedish movie The Doll) or eyeing them in department store windows and figures that it better get some security if your relationship goes South, such as half your net worth?!! What if it starts insisting that you both go to relationship counseling, which has the therapist staring in amazement and bewilderment at you as you try to do your ventriloquist act with your lover right there in his office, talking first in her voice and then in yours, until she, finally, in disgust throws up her hands and screams "You're not even trying to make this relationship work!!" and storms out of the office (which looks, again, to the therapist like your picking her up and running out with her!!) and goes in search of the Terminator to join him in his new disgruntled berserk killing spree!! There might, as you can see, be just a few problems with these AIs, but, Hell, no relationships are without their difficulties and so why not go for it?!!
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Carl Elfstrom
Tom, masturbation is a lot of fun. You ought to give it a try...love...peace.
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Carl Elfstrom
....And we really don't need all that much human interaction. It has lead to innumerable problems throughout history.
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Tom B
Carl...there is nothing wrong with masturbation itself...it is the content of the fantasies that may be questionable, as all thoughts radiate throughout the universe...and I disagree about human interaction, as it is part of the karma in which we have no choice about participating, if we want to reach God/Peace...Peace to you, Carl...Tom
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Carl Elfstrom
No Tom, it's called progress, and improving the world by ending some of the negativity caused by the sexual revolution. And the world will become a more peaceful and loving place because of the significant drop in population/perverted and otherwise evil, corrupt minds, and warring factions. Aren't you about love and peace like you claim ? Maybe it sounded nice, but you really didn't know what it meant, or what it might take to become that way. Now that I've shed some light on the subject you don't have a rational reason to speak out of ignorance anymore.
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Carl Elfstrom
Furthmore Tom, I see we differ in religious beliefs about God and karma as well as the universe, but I am not here to preach or be your teacher. However, since you don't think masturbation is wrong, and think there's a right way to have fantasies, would you please share with the group what your good fantasies consist of, and how to go about masturbating in a clean, healthy way. Is it alright to engage in auto - felatio or auto - sodomy, and have you tried it, or will either one of those cause karmic debt ? Also, do you think obsessive masturbation is wrong, like ten or twelve times a day? Isn't it best to maintain balance in all things? And what about the Bible's admonition about casting our seed upon the ground. Is there something better we can do with it ? Perhaps we could donate it to a medical center that produces test tube babies. However, make sure you taste it before mailing it, for they would only want the cream of the crop.
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Tom B
Carl...respectfully...i know love and peace and caring and forgiveness; i am not ignorant...the overall "world" obviously is lacking in much of this, but that is not a reason to live in any other way...living in a loving way will not change the whole world, but it does contribute to it....and that is the only true way to do so...i accept and do not condemn you for being defensive; i just hope you can consider this...because of karma, this "world" will never be God, but you contribute to your and others' well-being by modeling love...on other things you wrote...masturbation and fantasies are ok, but they are distractions...while i congratulate the ULC for presenting an eclectic number of areas of life to consider, i do not personally feel they all have the same value to us as beings...and i promise you, if we were sitting and talking, you would find i have a good sense of humor...Peace...Tom
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Carl Elfstrom
Tom, it sounds like our relationship is getting better. Maybe were both good people after all. Just don't mention Billy Graham, Christianity, or catholicism. I love Jesus, but am nothing like a goddam christian, and the Bible makes great rolling papers, for a truly ecclesiastical buzz.
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Tom B
Carl...we are both good people...from my point of view, we are all good people, but some of us do things that are not good for others, and that always results in a karmic imbalance that will be corrected, either in this or subsequent lifetimes...it gains nothing to be attacking or critical...i agree with you about religion, evangelists and the bible; i am also in favor of full legalization of recreational use of grass...it is interesting that Justin Trudeau has a bill in Parliament that is likely to pass in July, wherein there would be country-wide legalization...here in New Jersey, new Governor Murphy has said he wants it here, but we will see...where are you?...have a good night...Peace...Tom
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Catherine Ohrin-Greipp, MSW, ADS, OM
This is actually a bigger issue than some pathetic guy who only wants a machine in place of a prostitute to satisfy his narrow-minded sexual pleasure. This is an issue of understanding the dangerous developments of AI and it's capacity to control everything we do. I watched "Do You Trust This Computer?" yesterday by Elon Musk who has been issuing warnings about AI for the past year or so. This is not an issue which will "root itself out." I recommend that we get educated about AI and then we can see where we go from here. Not a good idea to stay in the dark about this and it is not a Sci Movie we are watching. It is a real threat. The sex machines are just an example of AI development.
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Carl Elfstrom
It sounds like Elon has been drinking too much musk and needs to find the nearest Musk Anonymous group, and check himself into their long term, in-patient, intense treatment program.
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Catherine Ohrin-Greipp, MSW, ADS, OM
All joking aside, Elon is not the only one. Add to the list Stephen Hawking, Bill Gates, Wozniak and Kurzweil. All you guys can focus on the sex and sexual deviance issues as some of you are about these robots and we are doing a great job of poking fun, etc. but the story really is not about morality, procreation, or deviance- it is about the dangers of Artificial Intelligence. Quite frankly I do respect the people I have indicated who have expressed intense concern in addition to some other scientists even if you don't. That's ok. I'm a geek and do love a good laugh, but people, open your minds a little and don't get stuck in the basement.. Peace and harmony.
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Vincent Kegler
Thank you Catherine, yours is a very appropriate response to a serious concern.
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Carl Elfstrom
It seems so serious to some Vincent that they might be schizophrenic, and simply need a medication change.
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Catherine Ohrin-Greipp, MSW, ADS, OM
Thanks Vincent, at least you and one other individual here gets it.
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Kelly
Thank you for your comment! Take care! Peace! ? Kell
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Benjamin Grady Cobb
Very Well said.
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Matthew
The AI "cat is already out of the bag". Just like sheople were clueless to the data mining by Facebook they are clueless to the extent that AI already permeates our society.
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Carl Elfstrom
And aliens are here too. They have been for a long time, according to Deep-throat on the X-files.
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Carl Elfstrom
It seems like I've heard that it's best to live in the present moment, and not project into the future. What a strange idea !
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Glenn Ordell
Regarding Catherine's reply,
I have designed some automated tooling systems for fine woodworking. These machines can outperform any human being. Eventually, virtually every task on the face of the Earth will be accomplished by AI. This statement is not speculation. If you ever work in this field, you will begin to understand the power of robots. So to my way of thinking (which involved a fair amount of time learning about it,) I can say that this statement about AI is unequivocal fact.
Learning new things is a fascinating experience. Learning expands human consciousness. We will soon live in a world that I predict will generate a new state of condition for those who currently once performed manual labor--boredom that is deadly to the those who do not or can not learn new skills. There will soon be perhaps as few as four occupations left: Artists, Philosophers, Teachers of Enlightened Thinking and the high priests of AI--the High-tech designers of whatever in this world develops a need.
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Just a Thought
How do any of you know what God wants or doesn't want? He is the Creator and therefore creates all that you see and hear. SO he created the sex doll, the vibrator, the car, he created it all.
You will then respond the Devil created all these bad things, and again I will point out that God created the Devil, so God created all the evil in the world.
Why can't God forgive the devil and we all can live in Peace? You argue back and forth about who is right and who is wrong yet, no one can disprove the other. It amazes me that the "Bible Tru-ists" out in the world today have done some pretty nasty things in the name of God. Let see, stone women, go on crusades, dislike other races, dislike other religions (mind you GOD split man up when GOD found out what MAN could do together as a whole and spoke one language and had one religion) (GOD created the religions of the world, but again if the DEVIL did it then ultimately GOD is responsible for this) What is better, girls running around pregnant or boys having sex with dolls? Sex is more abundant in today's world than it has ever been, so feed the need with a non harmful way. Allow for sexual discovery with more realistic but fake ways and keep kids safe from being mommies and daddies before their adulthood. How many times have kids "practiced", (masturbated). You could be in love, but be a terrible LOVER and being good in bed does help for a great marriage. Let them get those desires up and out of the system and then they can go and settle down with a real family. Is it better to let humans play out their fantasies on an AI or on a real person? Again GOD Created all and even the DEVIL.
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William Waugh
I'm on the side of whatever it takes (except warfare, genecide, and such) to reduce human population by 50% or more. ....have you forgotten the billboard campaign? ...."most of the world's problems are the result of overbreeding among the lower classes." I used to hate that sign. Now, I not only get it, I agree with it!.........and I'm still liberal,....hahahahahahaha!
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Matthew
William, Are you volunteering for eradication?
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Tom B
Matthew...did you read "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson?...Peace...Tom
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Carl Elfstrom
William, are you saying we need more holier than thou upper class snobs ? Just keep singing that song from MASH that goes " Suicide is painless. It brings on many changes."
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Frank Villari
Well, we've already begun the end of interpersonal, face-to-face, communication. Is it so hard to understand how human sexuality would naturally be next on the emotional chopping block? I'd just like to have a meal out and not see everyone on their "pads" instead of having a conversation with the person next to them, and they're usually on their pads WITH the person next to them. How sad is this?
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Carl Elfstrom
Try a cheaper restaurant, in a poorer part of town.
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James
As is any sexual deviation. It will root itself out. Once they die off from not being part of civilization We will look back on them as fools.
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Carl Elfstrom
But what if they turn it into a civilization, James, and implant human brains in their sex robot citizens, and re-open Auschwitz to get rid of the humans. Sounds like a good sci-fi movie, doesn't it ?
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Glenn P Ordell
Sadly, Artificial Intelligency (AI) could easily decide that human beings have no value except to service AI. They might even team up with the robots at Monsanto and create a line of GMO human beings designed to cater to all of these AI "Beings"...
So in my mind, I would see a prediction that we might end up seeing that Thomas J. Watson may be dubbed God the father by the AI Beings, with Bill Gates being his only begotten son. I guess the Holy Spirit would be the only arm of God that would be available to the AI Beings and the GMO'd Human Race.
I proudly admit that back in 1965 I wrote a story entitled "Just Another Working Man" which I shall summarize briefly. It was about a man who lived in the United States Mainland. When he came home from work, his young son eagerly asked him to tell the story about his most exciting task that day. The man sat down in his favorite chair with a second double-scotch in his hands, and related his to his son what he did via remote control using a robotic soldier during an unspecified war in a far distant land. "Yes, I tell you about my best kill of the day. I was able to totally massacre twenty-seven unarmed, innocent civilians today. And I enjoyed every one of those five minutes. I even get a medal from the General for being so efficient with my robot."
His son smiled profusely, thanking his Dad for a great story. He went on to praise the man, saying what a great Dad he was--but that he needed to go to his room and while it was still fresh in his mind. He continued by saying he wanted to re-enact his vision of this occurrence on his computerized video console, using a new App he just downloaded today.
His Dad asked for the name of App. The kid said "It's 'Just Like My Dad--the human killing machine."
My teacher returned this assignment to me, telling me to write some fiction that was more plausible, or she would need to grade my paper with an F.
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Kelly
Glen, Great imagination and maybe a tap into the future. If I was your teacher I would of given you an A+!! Amazing!
Take care!
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Glenn P Ordell
Thank you, Kelly!
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Carl Elfstrom
I'd also give you an F you old schizo. It sounds like you've been watching too many B rated sci-fi movies. I bet every Christmas you watch Santa Claus Conquers The Martians, and think it really happened.
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Carl Elfstrom
What could be deviant in a world full of deviants ? When was the last time you saw a Hustler Magazine ? It gives many tips on deviancy, and is one of my favorite mags. Of course, I only look at the cartoons.
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Malad City
That's a great view point, as long as these people keep interacting with "Dolls" they won't reproduce and in time will die off.
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Carl Elfstrom
Then God will find another planet for us to have our incarnations on. He has plenty of them to choose from. And this will just be a planet full of robots having a constant orgy, until aliens take over and put a stop to it, in a million years or so. Or better yet, all of us humans could be transformed into constantly horny cyborgs who never die.
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Matthew
James, I would agree except...hand in hand with sexbots is the advancments in cloning and the increasing likelihood that a human will be cloned in the not too distant future, if not already done. No need for sex to procreate and with cloning you can pick and choose who is the offspring. I have often wondered if the first cloned human will have a soul.....maybe they will be the Antichrist. At least a good plot line for a book and movie.
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Barry
Strange
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Carl Elfstrom
People Are Strange (when you're a stranger). That's a good song by The Doors.
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drrgrivera
"Experts Warn Ultra-Realistic Sex Robots Could Destroy Humanity" WITH ALL THE SEXUAL PROMISCUITY GOING ON THROUGHOUT HISTORY THESE SO CALLED EXPERTS' WARNINGS... ARE THOUSANDS OF YEARS [TOO LATE] JUST ANOTHER WAY TO SEXUALLY EXHAUST TO THE END.
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Joe
Somehow this doesn't worry me.
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Carl Elfstrom
You don't say, my good man. Jolly good show, ol' chap !
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John Eftimiades
Just when you thought you've seen and heard everything. I don't know if the topic really warants a reflective comment by me, but I'm sure others will weigh in. Just a little too bizarre for my taste.
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Gary Hynous
This is really nothing new. Blow up dolls and various other sex toys have been around for a long time. Perhaps someone will develop an AI that talks and moves like a live person and makes all the expected noises. Then all the lonely people, no matter what they look like or how socially inept, will at last find true love. No more population growth to worry about so all the ZPG'ers will be satisfied as well. Really sick and weird!!
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Carl Elfstrom
Anyone can find an overabundance of sex, Gary. It does'nt matter what they look like, or how sociable they are. And finding true love has nothing to do with sex. Now please tell us more about your experiences with blow up dolls.
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Carl Elfstrom
And also Gary, when you mentioned "the expected noises," were you trying to tell us that you have a fetish about doing it with sexual partners who frequently fart and belch, or that you do the same? That's a good reason for you to keep doing it with blow up dolls, while you ring that bell in the tower, Quasi Moto .
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Malad City
I agree, there will never be a Robot that can replace what God made, they have no body language, or family history, these people that have one are general the lonely, depressed individuals that can't interact with people .
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Just a Thought
Hmmmm...they might be on to something........NO MORE: unwanted pregnancies, "SPECIAL" people can get their kicks from dolls instead of "REAL" victims. Some people may not get the person they want because of a flaw or maybe because they don't function well in society. What is wrong with being happy. According to some bibles, is not the union between man and woman used for the purpose of making babies only, not sexual desires?
GOD DID CREATE THE INVENTOR OF THE SEX DOLL. THESE DOLLS BREAK NO COMMANDMENTS SET FORTH BY GOD!!!!! ALL COMMANDMENTS ARE SET FOR HUMANS NOT ROBOTS. Let people get their desires out and used up so then they can move on to creating a well rounded family. JUST A THOUGHT -
Jennifer
As a woman who has many sex toys since I was 18 and can orgasm 15+ times a day. No, there's nothing like the real thing. Unless someone has issues. I don't care how good your robot is. Real pussy is real pussy. Real cock is real cock. Buy your toys by all means. But the real thing is always better.
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JASON D BENDER
These sex dolls = lame, stupid, boring... But, the sex bots that will be online in a decade or two might far surpass a real woman... eg look and feel completely real (or very much almost real, but with perfect beauty - no fatties - perfect skin, figure, face etc) AND with programmable personalities, and none of the negatives associated with real women (such as bitchiness, bad attitude, selfishness, lack of compliance, smell, pregnancy, aging, fat, small tits, et cetera)
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