Christian Radio Host Insists Satan Is Behind Kavanaugh Allegations

Rev. John D. Partin

I don't worship Obama, but merely give credit where credit is due. He didn't lie while in office during his entire 8 years there as much as Trumpelstiltskin (I just LOVE!!!! that name for him, don't you?!!!) has, so far, only 650 days into his 1st (and, hopefully, LAST!!!!) term!!! If he got a 2nd term (God forbid!!!!), he would double, triple, quadruple or even quintuple the number of lies that he told in his 1st term because he would have no further reason to hold back, out of political considerations at all (he barely holds back from lying even now!!!), and would pull out all the stops and lie in every word that he spoke, which is pretty much the situation now!!! No President before this one has lied as much as he has!!! I'm quite sure already that Obama told some lies while in office without your needing to tell me that he did, since all Presidents do, out of necessity ("national security", etc.) or forgetfulness (as Reagan did) or for some other reason, but, compared to this "President" who has already lied and misrepresented 6,420 times in only 650 days, Obama and all other Presidents have been rank amateurs!!!! I didn't have any say about what the Barack Obama Campaign Office displayed and so didn't allow them to display the Cuban Flag with Che Guevara on it, since they wouldn't have listened to me, anyway, or taken it down if I or anyone else had told them to take it down. So, what does that have to do with me or my remarks about your "President"?!! You don't know that I don't wear a flag pin or put my hand over my heart during the National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance, unless you can see me from way over where you are (and, if so, I'll ask you to mind your own business and give me a little privacy, please!!!), and so that is really a very stupid comment on your part. I believe that Democrats are certainly as patriotic as Republicans are (if not, more so) and most of them put their hands over their hearts during the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, too, the same as you do. It is patriotism to denounce a fraudulent leader, such as Trumpelstiltskin, the same as it would have been for Germans to discretely (not openly and suicidally) denounce Adolf Hitler or any other people to denounce their fraudulent leader. Our loyalty is due to our country, not to any particular leader of our country, and especially not the one that we have now!!! The Social Security System has more to worry about and bigger fish to fry than a few hundred or thousand immigrants (not illegal aliens, since their coming in under political asylum and refugee status is their coming in LEGALLY!!!): namely, Americans who haven't paid into that system, but still need money, too----millions of them!!! Nobody blames any President for doing things that he absolutely needs to do, in order to keep any kind of order in this country, such as, occasionally, using tear gas on crowds of illegal aliens to disperse them and get them deported, where that is indicated for them. Our problem with Trumpelstiltskin is that he continually lies and does things that he doesn't absolutely need to be doing, just on a whim and because he thinks that he can get away with doing absolutely anything that he feels like doing, and then use his office as an excuse for that and hide behind his office, as though he were a Dictator here, instead of only one branch of our government!!!! That is why the media challenge him and question him and call him out for his lies and call him on the carpet----BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR JOB, IN ORDER TO KEEP HIM IN LINE, THE SAME AS EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT, AND NOT TO MAKE HIM ABOVE THE LAW AND PUBLIC SCRUTINY!!!! That is why he calls them "the fake news", as I said before, since they won't just automatically go along with whatever he says and does and applaud it, as he expects and wants and needs them to do!!!! As usual with you Conservatives, whenever anyone contradicts or exposes the truth about your "President", your true colors come out and civility and politeness go flying out the window and you call me or anyone else who does that "LIAR"!!! Well, I'm not going to stop telling the truth about Trumpelstiltskin (I still love that name!!!) because of your or anyone else's calling me whatever name you want to call me, since sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me, and so go on with all of that that you want or we can have a civil and respectful conversation here. Your choice. If you can't stand the truth being told about your "President" to you by me or anyone else or can't stand the heat, don't read my posts and stay out of the kitchen!

John Owens

Oh, but Partin is a democrat Obama-groupy. He won't listen or think or even admit he is mistaken. Shows how brainwashed he is.

Lionheart

I’m used to him. I never really expected to get through to him anyway. He’s a Democrat! Some of them you just cannot fix, and that’s okay. Sometimes you just can’t fix being stupid. The good news is that at last we have a President that is putting this nation first, and not selling it out. He bows down to no one, unlike the muslim Obama did when being introduced to the muslin leaders of other nations.

Lionheart

Obama (Put America “Last”) President:

Gave Iran a path to nuclear weapons.

Gave Russia 20% of America’s uranium.

Tried to empty Guantanamo Bay.

Protected Hezbolla drug traffickers.

Gave assualt weapons to Mexican drug cartels.

Placed his hand on the Quran during his oath of office.

Bowed down to the Arab Emirates.

8 years in office and the GDP growth 1.6%. Under President Trump GDP hit 4.1% after only 18 months in office.

Unemployment rate 9.4%. Under President Trump 3.9%

Jobs added under Obama -2.9 million. Under President Trump +3.2 million.

Jim D.

Lionheart, sorry but I have to correct one error in your list. President Obama did not put his hand on the Quran during his oath of office for his second term. He used two bibles. The one on top was owned by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The second was owned by Abraham Lincoln.

I don't mean to burst your bubble. I just prefer to deal with facts.

Rev. John D. Partin

In answer to your post: "Placed his hand on the Quran during his oath of office": (right-wing propaganda and smear tactics, as shown by https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-used-quran-for-oath/ "Gave Russia 20% of America's uranium": another Trump lie, which, like all of his lies, you swallow hook, line, and sinker, unthinkingly and stupidly, as is shown by https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/ "Gave Iran a path to nuclear weapons": this and other lies that you have expressed to me and swallowed hook, line, and sinker from Trumpelstiltskin are covered by this article https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obamas-50-lies/ "Protected Hezbolla drug traffickers": https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/news/2017/12/22/politico-obama-administration-stalled-hezbollah-investigation/ "Tried to empty Guantanamo Bay": https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bay-state/ "Bowed down to the Arab Emirates": https://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/debunking-obamas-dubai-domicile/ "Higher GDP under Trump than under Obama": https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-economy-obama-economy-administration-claim-fact-check/ and https://www.politicususa.com/2018/07/27/obama-gdp-better-trump.html and https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-10/trump-wrongly-touts-economy-growth-milestone-versus-unemployment "Unemployment rate 9.4%. Under President Trump 3.9%": https://www.npr.org/2018/01/08/576552028/fact-check-trump-touts-low-unemployment-rates-for-african-americans-hispanics "Jobs added under Obama-2.9 million. Under President Trump +3.2 million": Now, answer my truthful comments about your "President", instead of throwing all of these evasions at me, if you can answer them!!!

John Owens

Snopes does not say that Hillary has been proven innocent. They say she has not been proven guilty. (Much like Donald Trump)

This is from the article you quoted: "One fault investigations into the Clinton Foundation’s practices did find was that not all of the donations were properly disclosed — specifically, those of Uranium One Chairman Ian Telfer between 2009 and 2012. The foundation admitted this shortcoming and pledged to correct it, but as the Guardian pointed out in its May 2015 discussion of Clinton Cash, the fact that it happened is reason enough to sound alarm bells:

It is also true that large donations to the foundation from the chairman of Uranium One, Ian Telfer, at around the time of the Russian purchase of the company and while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, were never disclosed to the public. The multimillion sums were channeled through a subsidiary of the Clinton Foundation, CGSCI, which did not reveal its individual donors.

Such awkward collisions between Bill’s fundraising activities and Hillary’s public service have raised concerns not just among those who might be dismissed as part of a vast right-wing conspiracy.

An enormous volume of interest and speculation surrounds the workings of the Clinton Foundation, which is to be expected. Given the enormous sums of money it controls and the fact that it is run by a former U.S. president who is married to a former U.S. secretary of state and presidential candidate, the foundation deserves all the scrutiny it gets, and more.

**At the same time, for the sake of accuracy it’s crucial to differentiate between partisan accusations and what we actually know about it — however little that may be.*****

On 17 October 2017, The Hill reported obtaining evidence that Vadim Mikerin, a Russian official who oversaw the American operations of the Russian nuclear agency Rosatom, was being investigated for corruption by multiple U.S. agencies while the Uranium One deal was up for approval — information that apparently was not shared with U.S. officials involved in approving the transaction. The Hill also reported receiving documents and eyewitness testimony “indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow,” although no specifics about who those Russian nuclear officials were or how the money was allegedly routed to the Clinton Foundation were given. In any case, none of these revelations prove that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton participated in a quid pro quo agreement to accept payment for approval of the Uranium One deal.

On 24 October 2017, the U.S. House intelligence and oversight committees announced the launch of a joint investigation into the circumstances surrounding the Russian purchase of Uranium One."

I would like for YOU, John Partin, to heed the statement marked with ************ these.

John Owens

A) that link comes up as 404 Page not found. B) Trump has not been President for 2 years. Obama was President for 8. C) Trump is way ahead.

JASON D BENDER

Job gain under Obama is > + 11 million.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers/

JASON D BENDER

READ IT AND WEEP, TRUMPERS: OBAMA +11,600,000 jOBS!

Rev. John D. Partin

I don't question God's existence and never have, but only the self-serving definition of "God" created by homophobes and conservatives to "justify" their own views. Jesus was a homosexual, as were David and Jonathan. That is a fact!!! Homophobia isn't Christianity because God is love and homophobia is hate!!!! I haven't needed to imagine anything about you or other people in here because there is far too much obvious truth about you for that to be necessary. Pharisees, such as yourself, always think that it is everyone else who has the beam in their eye and that the beams in their own eyes are merely "motes", and so, of course, you "think" that, too!!!!

Rev. John D. Partin

Lionheart, did you ever see the movie Escape From Sobibor (about the concentration camp inmates in Sobibor in Poland who mass escaped from that camp)? Well, if you have also ever seen pictures of people in Nazi death camps, you also have an idea what those escapees must have looked like and the condition that they must have been in, but they still broke through the barbed wire fences of the camp and ran across mine fields to escape into the woods---and, compared to them, the immigrants who broke through the immigration barriers on the southern borders of Mexico are certainly better off!!! Better off than concentration camp inmates, though (and that isn't a very high bar at all and is really right on the ground!!!) doesn't prove that they aren't being terrified and bedraggled and want to escape from that, too. Desperation and the strength and determination that come from that desperation don't prove that the people affected by that aren't humble little children and women and usually meek and mild or bedraggled and terrified because people will do whatever they have to do and find the strength to do it, if they are motivated and terrified enough!!! Hollywood prettied up those people in the movie, but their portrayal in that movie and the actual reality of them were certainly very different. As for their being content to just remain in Mexico and seek asylum there, how would that work when Mexicans are also coming up here for jobs and to escape from criminal gangs in Mexico? That would be the blind leading the blind and as Jesus tells us: "When the blind lead the blind, both fall into the ditch". The first country that they got into is no more able to help them toward a better life and isn't in very much better of an economic condition or more free from gangs and violence than Honduras or the other countries that they left are. So, their staying put there would just be trading one untenable and terrible situation for another, which would make no sense at all. Only the U.S. offers them a better life and chance for that life and escape from gangs and violence. So, why not let them have political asylum here, when they legitimately deserve it, while also screening out any criminals or terrorists that might be hiding among them, which aren't going to be many at all? Our southern border is certainly far stronger than the southern border of Mexico is or there wouldn't be all of this uproar about letting these people in for political asylum and already long lines on that bridge, shown on MSNBC and CNN and other news channels, if they could all just force their way past our border security and now U.S. military that the "President" sent down there!!! You can't have it both ways. All of those personnel aren't nearly as easy (or even as possible) to get past as the Federales on the southern border of Mexico were. By all means, these people should have to enter our country legally and not get in here illegally (I'm with you %100 on that!), but their receiving political asylum, when it is warranted, is their entering this country legally and not illegally. Since your own family came into this country legally 30 years ago, you should be in favor of all those who are truly deserving of political asylum here being granted that asylum and refuge, which, of course, has to happen very much quicker than ordinary immigration entry into the country does. If the "President" is actually the President of all of us here in this country, then let him start acting like it and going along with the rest of the people in this country and working with the Democrats to get things done that need to be done here, instead of only (as he does) catering only to his base and insulting and working against the Democrats and insulting the news media (just because they dare to question him at all and expose his lies and don't go along with just everything he says or does, as his asskissers do!!!). Then, he would truly be the President of all of the people here in this country, but until then, he is only your President and the President of all other people who just go along with everything that he says or does and kiss his ass!!! You are certainly being brainwashed by him when you just go along with everything that he says or does and kiss his ass, as all of his other drones do!!! Jesus said: "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy". Our just turning our backs on these people who are coming up to this country and telling them "Just go back where you came from because there is no room for you here and we can't and won't help you!!!" isn't our being merciful to them and so doesn't merit mercy for ourselves, either. Jesus also said "Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me" and so our turning these people away and refusing them entry as political refugees would be our doing the same to Jesus Himself, as He said here, and as the innkeepers when He was a baby said to Joseph and Mary when they said: "No room at the inn". These people wouldn't take away anything from anyone here, since they would only be doing the jobs that most Americans won't do, and so they wouldn't be a strain on our economy at all and there is just no reason not to give them asylum here. 5,000 people simply can't overwhelm or take control over a country of 328 million!!! That is ridiculous!!!

Rev. John D. Partin

Lionheart, since ULC hasn't posted my message to you, I will have to try to rephrase it. Your offering of Mexico as a place for these migrating people to seek asylum, quite obviously, wouldn't work because Mexico has its own problems with gangs and violence and a poor economy and so doesn't need these people on top of all that, adding to its problems. The Mexicans themselves are coming to America for work and to escape from terrorism and so could hardly be the answer for all of these other people coming in to Mexico seeking asylum from those same problems. That would be a case of the blind leading the blind and, as Jesus tells us, "If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch"!!! These migrant people breaking down the immigration barriers on Mexico's southern border no more prove that they aren't humble little children, and women, and bedraggled and terrified people than the Jews who escaped from Sobibor concentration camp in Poland during W.W. II prove that they weren't tortured and victimized by the Nazis. Go and watch the movie Escape From Sobibor. Desperation and the determination from that desperation made even the actually emaciated people in that camp break through barbed wire fences, run across mine fields, and dodge and evade bullets in order to reach the forest and freedom and so also made these migrating people from Honduras and other countries able to break through the immigration barriers on Mexico's southern border when there were no Mexican police shooting at them. If the "President" is actually the President of all of the people in this country, then he should start acting like it and start agreeing and going along with the rest of the people in this country and representing us and working with the Democrats to get the things done here that need to get done, instead of (as he is doing now) insulting and refusing to work with Democrats, and insulting the media (just because they dare to ask him any questions at all and expose his lies and don't just go along with everything that he says and does!!!) and only catering to his base. Then, he would truly be the President of all of the people in this country, but until then, he is only your President and the President of all other Conservatives who go along with and applaud everything that he says and does. It is, quite obviously, your and other Conservatives' being brainwashed by him when you all just go along with everything that he says or does, no matter what it is or how obviously ridiculous, wrong, and false it is!!!! If you agree that all people who are genuinely being terrorized and victimized by gangs should be given a chance to legally enter this country through political asylum, then we are in agreement on that point, at least, and only the actual criminals and terrorists (if any and it won't be many) hiding among them should be kept out of the country. Quite obviously, refugees would have to have their entries into the country happen much quicker than ordinary immigration cases, since they can't possibly wait outside the country for months on end for that to happen, and would have to be given immediate assistance and refuge, while their cases are pending. Our southern border is definitely far stronger than Mexico's southern border is and so these migrating people couldn't possibly just get through that border, as they did in Mexico, or there wouldn't be all of this uproar about giving them asylum here or the already long lines on the bridge, shown on MSNBS and CNN and other legitimate news channels, of people lined up to enter this country, if they could just force their way into this country as they did into Mexico. You can't have it both ways!!! Jesus said: "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy", but our turning our backs on these people and telling them "You can't come in here and we can't help you because there is no room here for you and so just go back where you came from and to being victimized and killed!!!!" isn't our showing mercy to them or doing unto them as we would have them do unto us and so doesn't merit mercy's being shown to us, either!!! Jesus also said: "Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me" and so our refusing to let these people enter this country is our doing so to Jesus Himself, as He said here, and our telling Him as was said to His parents Joseph and Mary by the innkeepers "No room at the inn"!!! These people would only do the jobs that most Americans won't do and so wouldn't be taking anything away from anyone here. So, there is no reason not to give them asylum here, for the sake of being merciful to them and even for our own self-interest. 5,000 people simply can't overwhelm or take over a country of 328 million people!!! That is ridiculous!!!!!! All of us are immigrants or descendants of immigrants in this country and so it would be very wrong and hypocritical for us to turn our backs on these people and their problems!!!

Rev. John D. Partin

Lionheart, I'll try yet a third time to send a post to you and, maybe, this one will be posted here. Your suggestion that these migrating people coming up from Honduras and other Central American countries should just stay in Mexico and seek political asylum and refugee status there is very impractical and illogical, to say the least, because Mexico has enough of its own problems with gangs, drug cartels, violence, and its people's being victimized by all of these things and themselves fleeing up to America for jobs and to get away from all of that without adding all of these migrating people to their problems. That would just be a case of the blind leading the blind and, as Jesus told us, "If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch". The U.S. is the nearest country to these terrified, bedraggled, and impoverished people to be able to offer them any kind of reasonable and realistic hope of deliverance from their problems. Besides, our just passing the buck for helping these people to Mexico, even if that country could do it, which it can't, doesn't fulfill our obligation to show mercy to other people. At the Last Judgment, if you believe in that, we won't be asked what did other people do to help their fellow men and people who were in need, but, rather, WHAT DID WE DO TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE?!!! Other people's meeting those people's needs won't do us any good or count for anything with God, since we are required to help them whenever we can and love our neighbors as ourselves and do unto others as we would have others do unto us, and not just pass the buck. America has problems, too, but these people can't wait to find a country with no problems to help them or they will never get any help, since such a country doesn't exist, and so America is the nearest country to them (even with our problems, too) that could possibly assist these people. Besides, these small numbers of people won't actually cause us any significant additional problems. Did you ever see the movie Escape From Sobibor (about concentration camp prisoners in Sobibor in Poland who escaped from that camp during W.W. II)? The movie prettifies them up considerably, being a Hollywood movie, but if you have ever seen pictures of concentration camp prisoners, then you know how they must actually have looked and what condition they must actually have been in. Yet, despite that, they found the strength and determination to break through the barbed wire fences of the camp, run across a land mine field, and dodge bullets in order to reach the forest and freedom. Their doing so didn't prove that they weren't actually in a very sad condition and neither did the migrating people's from the Central American countries breaking through the immigration barriers on the southern border of Mexico prove that they weren't actually humble little children, and women, and bedraggled and terrified people. Desperation and the strength and determination resulting from that can make even emaciated and bedraggled people do whatever they need to do to get out of their situation, without disproving their condition, as it did in Sobibor and at the southern border of Mexico. The southern border of the U.S. is very much stronger than the southern border of Mexico or else there wouldn't be all of this uproar about letting these people come into the U.S. and already long lines on that bridge leading into America, as seen on MSNBC and CNN and other legitimate news networks, if these people could just force their way in to this country as they did at Mexico's southern border. You can't have it both ways!!! Our border patrols and now U.S. troops sent down there by the Donald are certainly far more deterrent to illegal border crossings than were the Federales on Mexico's southern border. If the "President" is actually the President of all of us in this country, then let him start acting like it and going along with the rest of the people in this country and working with the Democrats to get immigration reform and the other things done that we need to get done in this country, instead of (as he is actually doing) insulting and refusing to work with the Democrats and insulting the media (just because they dare to question him at all and don't just automatically go along with everything that he says or does)!!! Until he starts working with and not insulting Democrats and stops insulting the media with all of this "fake news" nonsense (apparently, any actual news that doesn't automatically applaud and agree with everything that he says or does), he won't be the President of all the people in this country, but only your President and the President of all other Conservatives, who automatically go along with and applaud everything that he says or does!!! If you agree that legitimately terrorized and victimized people coming up here from Central America in this "caravan" (and the "President" isn't even talking about the "caravan" anymore, now that the mid-terms are over, if you have noticed, and so it was just another diversionary tactic on his part!!!) should be given political asylum and refugee status, that would, obviously, have happen much quicker than ordinary immigration into this country, as your family went through, and they would need to be given immediate assistance and housing, while their cases are pending. Can we and do we, at least, agree on that much? Jesus said: "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy", but our just turning these people away and telling them "Go back where you came from and to being victimized and terrorized because there is no room for you here" wouldn't be our being merciful to those people and so wouldn't merit mercy's being shown to us, either. Jesus also said: "Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me" and so our turning these people would be our doing that to Jesus Himself, as He said here, and as was done to Him as a baby when the innkeeper told Joseph and Mary "No room at the inn"!!! These people wouldn't deprive Americans of anything or impose on our society, since they would only do the jobs that most Americans won't do and so there is no reason not to give them asylum and refugee status, for their sake and ours---at the Last Judgment and even now!!! 5,000 people simply can't overwhelm or take over a country of 328 million people!!! That is just ridiculous!!!!!

William Tarrest

Dear Sir Lionheart, 1. Your suggestion that these migrating people coming up from Honduras and other Central American countries should just stay in Mexico and seek asylum and refuge there is certainly not very practical or logical, since Mexico already has enough problems with gangs, drug cartels, violence, and a very poor economy, and its own people coming up into America for work and to escape from all of that, without adding all of these other people on top of its own problems. That would truly be a case of the blind leading the blind and, as Jesus said, "If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch". The U.S. is the only country close enough to these people to be able to take them on, without too much trouble, since these few thousands of people can't possibly cause our country, with so many millions of us here, that much or any real trouble or overwhelm us and take over here, and they can't wait to find a country with no problems of its own, which doesn't exist. 2. Passing the buck to Mexico, even if they were able to take care of these people, which they can't, doesn't fulfill our obligation to be merciful to other people and help them as much as we can and whenever we can. If you believe in the Last Judgment after we die, God isn't going to be asking you or me or anyone else what other people did to help those in need, but, rather, WHAT DID YOU DO TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE?!!! Our answer to that question and our acceptance of Him in our lives and lives up to that point will determine whether we end up among those to whom He says "Enter into your rest, my good and faithful servants" or among the goats to whom He says "Depart from me!". Jesus said "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy", but our turning these people away from entering this country as refugees and telling them "Go back where you came from and to being victimized and terrorized because there is no room for you here" wouldn't be our being merciful to them and so wouldn't merit mercy's being shown to us, either! Jesus also said "Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me" and so our turning these people away would be our turning Jesus away, too, as He said here, and as was done to Him as a baby when the innkeeper told His parents Joseph and Mary "No room at the inn". Christmas will be here in a little over a month from now and so let's not turn the Christ Child away again and tell him "No room at the inn"!!! 3. Did you ever see the movie "Escape From Sobibor" (about the prisoners in a Nazi death camp in Poland who escaped from it during W.W. II)? They were in a very bedraggled condition, too, and yet were able to break through the barbed wire fences, run across a land mine field, and dodge bullets to make it to the forest and freedom. Their being able to do that didn't prove that they weren't actually in the condition that they were in, anymore than these migrating people's breaking through the immigration barriers at Mexico's southern border proves that they aren't humble little children, and women, and bedraggled and terrified people. Desperation and the determination resulting from that desperation can make people capable of doing many things, seemingly "impossible" for them, without that denying the reality of their condition. Our southern border is much better protected than Mexico's southern border is or there wouldn't be all of this uproar about these people's being allowed to come in here as refugees and the already long lines of them on that bridge (as shown on MSNBC and CNN and other legitimate news programs) waiting to come in here, if they could just force their way in here, the same as they did in Mexico. You can't have it both ways! The Mexican Federales also may not really have cared too much about these people's coming in to their country, either, or put up too much of an effort to stop them, since they knew that they would just be passing through on their way up to the U.S., anyway. 4. If the "President" is actually the President of all of us here in this country, then let him start acting like it and going along with the rest of us here, too, and working with the Democrats and not insulting them in order to get the things done that need to be done in this country, and stop insulting the news media by calling them "the fake news" (apparently any news that doesn't automatically go along with whatever he says or does and applaud it!!!) because they dare to question him about anything at all!!! He said in an interview recently that he insults the news media just so that people won't take them seriously or listen to what they truthfully say about him. He came out and admitted that!!! Until he does that and stops catering and playing just to his base, he is only your President and the President of all other Conservatives who go along with everything that he says and does. You are all brainwashed by him when you continually just go along with everything that he says or does and refuse to see or admit that anything that he ever does or says is wrong!!

Lionheart

Has anyone else noticed that, with the exception of CNN, most news media throughout the world have already covered those caravans of migrants attempting to illegally enter the U.S from Tijuana. Could that be because the images contradict Obama saying they are mostly peaceful loving mothers and children

CNN are absolutely ace at cherry picking only news that puts President Trump in a poor light. They jump on negative news like limpets and don’t let go.

You will never see CNN mention Obama’s statement in 2005 “We simply cannot allow people into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country”

When President Trump makes similar statements, CNN jumps all over him.

Rev. John D. Partin

He should learn how to spell "Apparently"! It isn't spelled "Apaarently". He isn't in South Africa, even though he thinks the same as the old pro-apartheid Afrikaaners did!! Also, everything other than right-wing propaganda, according to him, is "commie propaganda" and only right-wing propaganda is "real video footage" in his view.

Rev. John D. Partin

Lionheart, no doubt, Barack Obama made mistakes during his presidency, since there is no president or any other government official in our history or human being who hasn't made mistakes, and I'm also not interested in mere tit for tatting about how many mistakes Republicans have made as compared to how many Democrats have made, but merely state again that the leader of this or any other country needs to be responsive to and reflective of the concerns of all of the people in their country, and not only of one segment of the people in their country, and that President Trump has been responsive to and reflective of only his base, not the entire citizenry of America. Democrats, no doubt, favor other Democrats more than Republicans, being human beings, or they would already be in the Republican Party, but that aside, they have shown and continue to show more willingness to reach across the aisle and work with Republicans and be bipartisan, for the good of the whole country, than Republicans have usually demonstrated the willingness to do back toward them. Trump is even more partisan and anti-Democratic than most other Republicans are. I don't ever recall Barack Obama calling the news media "fake news" or belittling Republicans and conservatives as Donald Trump has called the news media and done to Democrats and anyone else who didn't automatically go along with him. If someone were the leader of this country who just never listened to you or other conservatives or led in any way that was acceptable at all to you and these other people (such as an American Adolf Hitler!!!), would you honestly feel that he was still, despite that, your rightful leader, just because of a formality called an "election" declaring him to be such?!!! I don't believe so and I would certainly hope not! That is the situation that I and other liberals find ourselves in with regard to Donald Trump. If he is only catering to his base all of the time, while merely pretending to "relate to" and "advocate for" those outside of his base, then he is, effectively, only the actual President for his base, and it is no more disloyal or wrong to not consider him our president than it would be to not consider Adolf Hitler our true leader, either, since he wouldn't be representing us or looking out for our interests, either!!! Besides, Trump wasn't elected by the people of this country, but, rather, by the Electoral College, which should have been eliminated long ago. So, he isn't actually our elected President and stole the Presidency, the same as George W. Bush did! I agree that the BBC is a very excellent news outlet and not as partisan as American news outlets are, but the American news outlets are either partisan for the truth and against lies (Liberal and Democratic) or partisan for lies and against the truth (Conservative and Republican), which nobody totally escapes from! No doubt, there have been some or even many people who have hopped on the bandwagon of those coming up here for legitimate refugee status just for their own agendas, as always happens with everything that ever happens in this world, but we can't morally, on their account, disallow legitimate refugees from entering this country for asylum. Many Americans, too, have been made homeless by the wildfires in California and may not be receiving adequate shelter here, either, but there will be more time to deal with their needs and get them all of the help that they need than there may be for these refugees, who are in their situation most of the time and not just recently, and so prioritizing of meeting people's needs here should give them help first. No doubt, too, there has been ineptitude of career politicians before, since Trump wasn't the first totally inept or occasionally inept president that we have ever had or will ever have, but he is certainly contributing more than his fair share to that ineptitude in this country now!!! I do appreciate your replying so soon to my post and so write back again when you can. Take care and be well yourself!

Lionheart

All Presidents are human beings, and as such, all Presidents have their own personalities. You either like them or loathe them. They all do things that no one likes. At the end of the day you have to look at their political track record while in office. Unemployment is down like never before, or at least for decades. President Obama even questioned where, and how, he was going to get jobs back, and even said it wouldn’t happen. Then when he did, Obama has tried to take credit by implying he started the ball rolling. Our economy continues to improve, thanks to Trumps business acumen.

Of course you didn’t hear anything about fake news when Obama was in office because most of the news outlets were all part of the bandwagon supporting Obama at the time. Surely you can see how CNN cherry picks the news for anything negative about President Trump. Have you seen any “news” yet on CNN about would-be immigrants reaching the border? The interviews I’ve listened to by those in Tijuana all say they want a better life than their country of origin will privide them. Of course they do, who wouldn’t? None of those interviews mentioned they feared for their lives from their “fleeing” country.

I too wanted a better life and so I applied, along with my family, to legally immigrate from England 30 years ago. It took me two years to show I could be of benefit to this nation before my application was accepted. Subsequently, I was employed on the NASA space program as a design engineer to help get the Space Shuttle program back in flight after the Challenger disaster in 1986. Later, I worked on out nations ICBM programs of defence such as the Minuteman, and Peacekeeper programs. I’m proud to think that my contribution to this country has been very worthwhile, and I am very thankful to those responsible at the time for checking my health, finances, and academic qualifications for letting me in.

Sir, I respect your thoughts and views, but cannot agree with them, just as you might not be able to agree with mine. That is the beauty of this wonderful country of freedom and liberty.

Have a great Thanksgiving my friend.

Rev. John D. Partin

Lionheart, yes, all Presidents are human beings and make mistakes and none of them are perfect, but that is like George Orwell's comment in Animal Farm that "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others". All Presidents in our history, despite their all being human, haven't all been constant liars, such as this "President" that we, unfortunately, have now is!!! The Washington Post states that Trump has made 6,420 false and misleading claims over 649 days, so far, in office. There would be no sense in their making that up and lying about him when these false and misleading claims could be so easily checked out for yourself, if you are honest and discerning even with yourself. Check out those lies with all of the truly reputable (and not merely right-wing propaganda and conspiracy, such as FOX, etc..) news outlets that you wish, so that you aren't just taking my or any other one source's word for it about these lies!! If Trump himself thinks no more of his position of dignity as our "President" than to be constantly tarnishing and undermining that dignity by this constant stream of lies and his behavior and demeanor in office, why should I or any other truly reasonable, honest, and discerning person have a higher opinion of him and his conduct in office than he has of himself and his conduct?!!! Don't just take our word for it, but also don't just gullibly take his word for it, either!!!; rather, check it out for yourself and see if he has been lying or not. Telling me or anyone else about some few things that you think that Trump has done that were "good for the country", despite all of these lies and the many bad things that he has done, is rather along the same lines as praising Hitler and the Nazis because they brought Germany out of the Depression and built the Autobahn, despite their killing six million Jews and millions of other people and conquering Europe----and, oh yes, Mussolini made the trains run on time!!! But at what cost?!! So what?!!! Likewise, whatever Trump has done that has been even half-way "good" for the country is far overshadowed by all of the things that he has done which have been very bad for the country!!!! If CNN and other news outlets, sometimes, cherry pick stories (and these outlets' being run by human beings, as well, makes that entirely possible), FOX "News" and other Conservative "news" outlets (also run by human beings) also do so. So, should we just not have any news whatsoever because all of them select stories to write about and broadcast? That is ridiculous! News isn't meant to do our thinking for us, but only to give us the basic information upon which to base that thinking, and so if we don't think that we are getting the full story or news from one outlet, we just check with other reliable outlets and cross check until we are satisfied that we are getting as much of the news as we need for our purposes, since we couldn't possibly take in every fact in the world about any situation!!!! Obama, no doubt, as other Presidents have, wasn't always happy with media coverage of his Presidency and may have grumbled about it to himself and others, but he wasn't as out of control and all over the place with public complaining about the news media as Trump is!!! "Fake news", according to Trump, is, quite apparently, any actual news that just doesn't automatically go along with whatever he says and does or questions him to any degree!!!! News outlets' being friendly to the President, as they were to Barack Obama--and as they aren't to Trump----still didn't make them always on his side or part of his bandwagon, anymore than their being against Trump's lies and wrong deeds make them his enemy. It is wonderful that you were able to legally immigrate to this country from England, but you are surely aware that immigration from England and immigration from Honduras, Guatemala, and other Central American countries aren't exactly or even close to being the same thing, and so can't be handled in exactly the same way. These migrants' needs coming up here from Central America are certainly very much more urgent than yours were coming here from England!!! I also respect your thoughts and views, but also can't agree with them. Still, that is the beauty of this wonderful country of freedom and liberty!!! I hope that you had a very Happy Thanksgiving and will have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Rev. John D. Partin

We are all our brother's keepers and whatever we have done to the least of Jesus' brethren (these migrants coming up from Central America and other people), we have done to Jesus Himself, as He said. Giving them asylum and helping them isn't just rich people's jobs, but our jobs, too. Anyone who claims, at least (as John Owens does), to "be a Christian and follower of Jesus"---and "more than I am"---should care something about that and follow that belief!!!

John Owens

LOL! Jason!

JASON D BENDER

What a sick thing to say, jason! disgusting words from a disgusting person

John Owens

Partin still won't get it, though, Gerardo. He's too far gone, I'm afraid.

Rev. John D. Partin

Geraldo Defendini, if all that you want to do and base your support and defense of the Donald on is point out all the wrongs that Hillary and Bill and other Democrats have done because of what is being pointed out about what the Donald has done, tit for tat, we will NEVER!!!! come to the end of this thing at all or come to any conclusion about him as we should!!! How does anyone else's wrongdoing excuse his wrongdoing, since he, the same as everyone else, is responsible for his own lies, hatred, bigotry, and mistakes, and can't evade that responsibility by pointing at what some other people have done? When you point the accusing finger at somebody else, as the saying goes, you have four fingers pointing back at yourself!!! That Hillary and Bill and all other Democrats aren't perfect and have sinned, the same as everyone else, I already knew without your needing to point that out to me, but if our leaders and politicians (Republican and Democrat) were all required to be angels and sinless in order to do their jobs, there wouldn't be any leaders or politicians at all because none of them are angels and sinless!!! If no Republican Presidents have been impeached, that is certainly because Richard M. Nixon resigned before he could be impeached (or he certainly would have been!!) and Warren G. Harding died in office before he could also have been impeached because of all the sexual and other scandals around his Presidency!!! I admit and other Democrats admit what Hillary and Bill have done wrongly. Do you admit to what the Donald has done wrongly or do you make excuses for it and deny it and try to play one-upmanship on who has done the most wrong things in order to evade admitting to what your "FEARLESS LEADER" has done? If Bill Clinton is rightfully condemned for Monica Lewinsky, by the same standard, shouldn't the Donald be condemned for his affair with Stormy Daniels and sexual harassment of other women----or, as is usual with Conservatives and Republicans, are you operating on a double standard once again? The Donald took Putin's side over his own intelligence agencies and has done nothing about their meddling in the 2016 election and continued meddling in our affairs and elections. How is that excused by pointing to what any Democrats have done?

John Owens

I'll just point out that Stormy Daniels is basically an old hooker, and Trump was not president. Monica Lowensky was a young page, and Slick Willy WAS president. BIG ASS difference, you twit.

Lionheart

To show you how clever President Trump is over Bill Clinton, he paid Stormy Daniels $130K. Trump won a $342K law suit because she talked about it. Net gain $212K, Then, she had to pay back the $130K because she violated the agreement. The liberals who funded Stormy Daniels on GoFundMe ended up paying Trumps legal fees.

As you can see, there is justice in this world! :)

As for Bill Clinton, he's still licking his wounds, she just won't go away.

Rev. John D. Partin

Gerardo Defendini, since ULC didn't post my previous post to you today, I will try again. You don't tell me who to talk to or not talk to or talk about or not talk about in this blog!!!!! Who in the Hell do you think that you are?!!!! You are the one who is acting like you think that you are a "god" in here and are full of yourself (and something else, too---or is it the same thing?). I'll talk to whomever and about whomever that I please in here and if you don't like, YOU CAN GO STUFF YOURSELF!!! I would never accept your or any other Conservative's views about my being "deranged" or "full of myself" or "not an adult" because you don't even know the truth about yourselves and your "thinking" and behavior. So, how could you possibly know the truth about me or anyone else?!! You can't, that's all!!! YOU ARE NOT GOD, EITHER!!!! Your not accepting actual evidence against the Donald as actual evidence doesn't make it the same as no actual evidence because, of course, as a Trumpophile, you are hypnotized and brainwashed by him and so NEVER!!!!! admit that he ever does anything that is wrong and "think" that he is "always honest and right and doing what is good for the country". You are incapable of being objective about him because you are a Trumpophile, and objective and Trumpophilic are a contradiction in terms!!!!! Your so-called "Catholicism" (loving your enemies and doing to them and praying for them", "loving your neighbor as yourself", and "doing unto others as you would have others do unto you") isn't in evidence at all here in your post, which makes you just the biggest hypocrite, delusional fool, and insane liar about that, too!!!! As usual with Conservatives, you go berserk whenever anyone doesn't go along with your Trumpophilia and agree with you that "he has never done anything wrong and is always honest and right and doing what is good for the country" because belligerence is the only option and answer that you have against someone's not agreeing with you, since you don't have any actual logic or reason to back up any of that nonsense!!!! That is your definition of "being an adult"!!! Like all other Trumpophiles, you live constantly in your right-wing conspiracy theory and propaganda "news" bubble and just never hear or understand anything at all coming at you from outside of that bubble, and so it is truly an exercise in futility trying to reason with you or get through to you about anything!!!! This is all for now because I'm tired of wasting any more time right now on someone like you!!!!!

Gerardo Defendini

Watch me.Write all you want I wont get them. By the way............ I reported you. There are guidelines on these blogs. Expect action from them.

Jim D.

Gerardo, ignore John D. Partin. He's got to be one of those cowardly Antifa protesters that covers his face. You won't get anywhere with that one.

John Owens

Like Don.

John Owens

Everything Christine Ford said that can be verified at all has been verified as bullshit.

Rev. John D. Partin

Iconoclast, oh, and John Owens' calling me "an emotional basket case", after all of his rants and ravings when I merely mentioned to him such obvious facts as tolerance and acceptance not being the same thing (as he knows from personal experience by people's acting snobbishly toward and condescending to him and just putting up with him because of his being an MC member) and at many other times in our exchanges, is really just the biggest joke of all and the whole pot factory's calling a single kettle "black"!!! Nobody carries on about those things as he did, except the King or Emperor of all Basket Cases!!! Let him who is without sin among you cast the first stone and people who live in glass houses shouldn't even be throwing stones in the first place!!!

John Owens

Iconoclast, JP here is apparently lacking in that part of the brain that actually allows one to think rationally, somewhere in the frontal lobe. He surrendered it to the Left when he decided to sell his loyalty to them because they encourage his lifestyle. It must have happened at an early age, because he appears to be too far gone and too thoroughly indoctrinated to be cured.

He is so deluded he thinks he knows a lot of things about your beliefs and mine, which we have never discussed or disclosed on this blog, or either he obviously has not read what we have disclosed, because it doesn't fit his delusions. He talks about right-wing hypnosis as if he is totally a left-wing cult member and believes all their dark fantasy lies about conservative people, and he even thinks he knows something about our beliefs in Heaven and Hell, when he does not.

John Owens

You must be the windiest person on this blog, John. Now, just because you are such an emotional and wordy person, I will try to show how mistaken you are, about many things, by informing you of the following:

I cannot possibly be considered anti-semitic, as I am circumcised from the age of 8 days, after the manner of Abraham, as is my grown son, AND MY BLACK GRANDSON. I observe Shabat, Sukhot, Yom Kippur, Rosh Hoshanah, and do not observe Christmas, Easter, Halloween, or any other pagan holidays. I observe the dietary restrictions given through Moses. I keep Torah, you see. It would be a huge contradiction to be anti-jewish. Being observant of Torah, the other bikers know that I do not eat pork, shrimp, squid, or catfish, do not observe Christmas, and am not interested in whores. Not being a loud-mouthed bigot, I do not try to force my beliefs on them but when they come up, they come up, and I am not apologetic about them. I find bikers to be, on average, much more tolerant than you. Even though I live in the Southeast, I do not know any klansmen, skin-heads, neo-nazis, or where one might go to seek them out, if one had a reason to seek them. I do not seek to debate them on the internet because I do not want to be on an FBI watchlist.

After my first wife (a slightly Asiatic-looking Caucasian with dark hair and eyes, you would probably think she was evil, being white, judging from your tirades) died after 25 years of marriage, I re-married to a woman from China. As it turned out, she wanted to live in the US but in a place as much like a Chinese city as possible, so I had to cut her loose. I am remarried to another Caucasian woman the same age as myself, and we are both from families with white and black members. I do not think it is intelligent for you to consider me to be a racist.

We have friends and even a relative or two who are homosexual. Everyone I know has friends or acquaintances who are homosexual. I was actually fairly active in theater and music for many years, so it isn't like I try to avoid them. True, at the same time, we refuse to pretend that women are men or men are women, but your continued strident assertions that I am homophobic are based on your own lack of knowledge concerning me, and therefore untrue, and you have a general world view that is so limited and egocentric it would be naive if it were not so militant. Therefore when you make a statement about me, it is patently untrue.

My motorcycle club (the oldest in existence, but I am not allowed to speak specifically on social media) is mixed race and international. We do not allow any racist patches, nazi or otherwise, to be worn on our cuts, and do not allow members to post racist photos or comments on social media. HOWEVER, we sit and talk about things when we have gatherings, like anyone else does.

I have very many friends who are from Mexico and Cuba, because I worked as an interpreter for the local courts and police for many years, and I sometimes substituted for the local Spanish teacher. I also would help the immigrants with translations of official documents and filling out the paperwork for visas and citizenship, and rehearsing the questions they might be asked. I have spent a LOT of time in Mexico, and working alongside people from Mexico, and traveling and sharing a room with people from Mexico. I lived and worked in Puerto Rico for 9 or 10 months once, also.

My Mandarin (properly called Zhong Wen) abilities are not nearly as strong, but because of them I have several Chinese friends in my local area, within a radius of about 40 miles. My biker brothers are from several countries, and most of them speak English, but I make it a point to say a few things in their language, like "Brother" and small-talk. If they do not speak English, but French or Dutch, or German or Italian, I will often translate small things for them. So if you consider me to be xenophobic, that, too, is a figment of the paranoia in your imagination.

This is about as open and kind as a person can be, when dealing with someone as opinionated as you. I don't expect you to learn anything from it, but I owe it to humanity to illuminate you.

JASON BENDER

To: John Owens From: Jason Bender

Shalom, friend!

I have been called an 'honorary member of the tribe' by a few actual members... ;)

Peace! Jason & Fischer Bender

Rev. John D. Partin

Iconoclast, John Owens is confused, once again----or STILL!!! I never said that he was a neo-Nazi or Klansman, but ONLY!!!! that he should try to talk neo-Nazis or Klansmen out of their bigotry against Jews or black people. which, if he is ACTUALLY as "open-minded" and "non-bigoted" as he says that he is, should be a very easy job for him and demonstrate his "non-bigotry" very clearly for all to see!!! Somehow, other people manage to confront and argue neo-Nazis and Klansmen out of their bigotry online or in person without ending up on FBI watchlists, but that seems to be too much for him!!! All of the rest of his post here just sounds like the old racist saying "I'm not prejudiced at all!! Some of my best friends are black people and Jews!!". It isn't being a "loud-mouthed bigot" to try to bring people out of bigotry, if we can, but our moral duty to enlighten the unenlightened and bring them out of ignorance and bring light into their minds and love our neighbors as ourselves, and it is also for our self-protection because people who remain in darkness and ignorance can be very often a danger to us as well, as the recent examples of Cesar Altieri Sayoc, Jr (the MAGA Bomber) and Robert Bowers, who killed 11 Jewish people in the Tree of Life Synagogue in Squirrel Hill, Pennsylvania, outside of Pittsburgh, on Saturday, among many others, prove!!! If he is really so much against anti-Semitism, why isn't he talking against this tragedy and against the right-wing conspiracy theory and propaganda "news" sites that fuel such incidents as these?!!

Rev. John D. Partin

Iconoclast, John Owens says in his post that "we have friends and even a relative or two who are homosexual. Everyone I know has friends or acquaintances who are homosexual. I was actually fairly active in theater and music for many years, so it isn't like I try to avoid them. True, at the same time, we refuse to pretend that women are men or men are women, but your continued strident assertions that I am homophobic are based on your own lack of knowledge concerning me, and are therefore untrue, and you have a general world view that is so limited and egocentric it would be naïve if it were not so militant. Therefore, when you make a statement about me, it is patently untrue". My statements about him can't be based on lack of knowledge concerning him when he is providing the knowledge about himself right here in his post and has done so in every post that he has written to me and other people in this blog!!! Nobody who is actually non-homophobic and doesn't have a problem with gay people refuses to view them at their own evaluation of themselves, but, rather, sticks with viewing them according to his own biased belief about them and indoctrination concerning them, as he has just admitted doing, and refuses to believe that they should have the same right to marry whomever they wish and all of the other rights that everyone else in society enjoys. You can't be against full equality and equal rights for gay people and then say that you "aren't homophobic" because you have just proven by your position against their rights and accepting them at their own evaluation that you are, no matter how much you deny that!! You can't have it both ways: be against gay rights and still, despite that, not be homophobic and not have a problem with gay people. It wouldn't matter if everyone in his family and among his friends were gay, so long as he still had the same belief and attitude about gay people that he has---and so his saying that he "has friends and even a relative or two who are homosexual" sounds suspiciously like a white racist's saying "some of my best friends are black people"!! That might fly in his world of conservative and right-wing conspiracy theory and propaganda "news" bubble "thinking", but it doesn't fly out here with the rest of us outside of that bubble!!! That view of his is what is actually naïve, limited, egocentric, and militant at the same time!!! Do these alleged "gay friends and family members" of his know about his position against their having full equality and full equal rights with everyone else in society and just not care that he is against all of that---or do they just not know about his position? I'm betting that it's the latter and that he is keeping his views about their rights from them, in order to keep them as "friends" and "close family members". By the way, gay men don't think of themselves as women and gay women don't think of themselves as men, but only as men who like men and women who like women, not as substitutes for "the real thing". What anyone wants to consider himself or herself, though, is their own business and we should just accept him or her at their own evaluation and not impose our evaluation of them on them, just as we don't want others imposing their evaluations of us on us. That is doing unto others as we would have others do unto us. As for the rest of his post, I never, again, said that he is a racist, but only that he should try to talk racists out of their bigotry. I only will talk to one of you directly at a time and am through wasting time on him anymore and so he will just have to read over your shoulder and follow along that way. My being "the windiest person on this blog", according to him, is, again, due to his not being able to understand and keep up with my arguments here or anything more than "if" because of his and your being stuck in your right-wing conspiracy theory and propaganda "news" bubble and not understanding or hearing anything outside of that bubble, but I just refuse to not talk sense here because he or you can't keep up or get it!!! That is your problem!!!

Rev. John D. Partin

Iconoclast, as usual with you and all other Conservatives, all that you can ever do is spout irrelevancies, deflect, change the subject, evade, blow out smoke screens, and hide and run away because you can't actually deal with anyone's shining the light on you and don't have any actually reasonable answers to give them, and so you resort to all of these tactics. You are a spiritual and "intellectual" vampire, who runs and hides from the light and truth!!! Yes, you are a Conservative, for sure, because that is what you do!!! I have certainly have far more important things to do than wasting any more time on such a hopelessly stupid sheepling as yourself, and only did so at all as one of the Spiritual Works of Mercy (enlightening the unenlightened), but you are a lost cause!!! You judge other people by your own miserable and worthless self and mere existence and because you aren't capable of doing anything worthwhile in this life, "everyone else must be the same"!!! If you had any real personality at all, you wouldn't be a Republican or Conservative!!!!

John Owens

More bigotry in your first sentence, more evasion, more stupidity, more prejudice, some self-righteous name-calling, from poor micro-cephalic John D. Partin. What a prepucio!

John Owens

Johnny P, consider this: How could any rational person say this, speaking of Kavanaugh, "who would believe a drunken, beer-loving and swilling, belligerent, mean-tempered (as he showed at the hearings!), “entitled” feeling, lying, and arrogant RAPIST!!!! over a sincere and honest woman, such as Dr. Ford, is the KING OF ALL IDIOTS AND DUMBASSES!!!!"

Let's examine this logically: He was not drunken, beer-loving and swilling (triple redundancy here, showing lack of training in English composition), not belligerent, and not mean-tempered. He did get highly agitated at one point, as anyone on the planet would, if badgered too much. You get highly agitated, apparently, according to your goon-babble rants here. The point being, the pitiful way you wrote this makes it seem as if he was actually swilling beer and getting drunk AT the hearing. Terrible communication skills, probably from being hyper-emotional.

Next, you called him "entitled" feeling. Not even sure what that means, but how can you know how another person feels, unless they tell you. I did not watch every minute of the farcical interrogations, but I feel relatively certain he did not say he felt entitled.

Then you said he was lying, and you have no evidence whatsoever that he told any lies, so that would make you a liar (as I have pointed out on numerous occasions), just for saying he is lying. Then, you called him a RAPIST!!! No evidence of that whatsoever, and Dr. Ford never even accused him of that, yet you have inflated one uncorroborated accusation of approaching a girl in a room and then NOT assaulting her, into PROOF that he is a rapist. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, I ask you, is this kind of thinking the product of a healthy mind?

Oh, yes, then you referred to this woman, Dr. Ford, as "sincere and honest," when you have not ONE clue, other than your own prejudices.

So, are you supposed to be psychic or something? Or maybe you are just another lying democrat. Which is it?

Rev. John D. Partin

Iconoclast, John Owens says that he is "curious why I got on that Nazi and KKK kick, anyway". It is because, again, I'm trying to see if one close-minded person (about gay rights and gay marriage) will have the courage to confront other closed-minded people (about Jews and black people) to try to talk them out of all that and let them give him a taste of his own medicine and what he gives to other people when they try to confront him and talk him out of his closed-mindedness and some perspective about how he behaves toward other people. As usual, however, all that he does is evade, smoke screen, deflect, and change the subject, in order to cover up his COWARDICE!!!! of trying to do as I suggested that he do. Either he thinks that neo-Nazis and Klansmen's bigotry against Jews and black are wrong and immoral, in which case, he should just be confronting and trying to argue them out of all that anyway, without my having to suggest that to him, or he really agrees with all of their bigotry against these people and is one of them himself!!! Which is it? He should just give a straight answer to that question and stop WEASELLY!!!! trying to evade giving a straight answer to it, as he always does, in order to excuse and cover up his fear of doing so!!!

John Owens

John Partin, WTF have the klan and NAZIS to do with anything we were discussing here, and how did you LEAP from your prejudging Kavanaugh and praising Ford to blasting ME regarding NAZIs and the Klan? Are you freaking bipolar or what? Besides being a hysterical twit, I mean.

John Owens

And what on Earth makes you think I am afraid of anything? You are stupid. Show me a Klansman or NAZI on here, and I will argue with them. If not, STFU.

John Owens

Oh yeah, Donald. Your little Russia remark shows what you are. People like you are the ones dividing the nation.

Gerardo Defendini

I looked it up. The word "Trump" is not in the Bible. Now let's talk facts: Here’s a list: Here’s a list: Monica Lewinsky Led to only the second president in American history to be impeached.Both Democrats. Republicans, “0”. Four Americans killed in Benghaz .Clinton fundraising scandas More than four dozen convicted, Hillary’s private emails, Whitewater, Travelgate: The firing of the career travel office was the very first crony capitalism scandal of the Clinton era. 7. Huma, An aide with terrorist ties, Pardongate Evidence that the Clinton Foundation was a pay-to-play back door to the State Department, and an open checkbook for foreigners to curry favor. Mysterious files disappearance and re-discovery of Hillary’s Rose Law Firm records, Filegate, The resignation and imprisonment of Hillary law partner Web Hubbell, The Clinton’s Swedish fund: $26 million collected overseas with little accountability, Troopergate: Bill Clinton’s philandering, Gennifer Flowers: Here is a “SURVIVOR” why not believe her? , Juanita Broaddrick, Look, another “survivor”, Paula Jones Or her, Kathy Shelton, another survivor, Linda Tripp, and another one Elizabeth Gracen and another one, Boeing contributed big-time to Bill; Hillary helped the company obtain a profitable Russian contract, Larry Lawrence: Clinton Contributor that got buried in Arlington National Cemetery without war experience, The cattle futures Chinagaterets,

Look these up and I have just one more for the entire party Chappaquiddick.

Over 2 dozen scandals here listed with more evidence than all the “evidence” presented on this.

And Democrats wanted her, not as a judge, no, AS A PRESIDENT!!!!!

Take a good look. Look it up. Then talk to me about corruption.

This is why a lot of people flee the Democratic party. Hypocrisy.

Rev. John D. Partin

Iconoclast, your handle means a destroyer of icons and idols, but, in your case, you are only a very selective destroyer of icons because you only go after what you perceive to be "icons and idols of the Left Wing", while you leave the actual icons and idols of the Right Wing untouched and even help to adorn and adore them even more!!!! Trumpelstiltskin or "Our Fearless Leader", as Boris and Natasha would call him, is one of those many Right-Wing Idols that you leave untouched and help to adorn and adore even more. He said that he loves Kim Jong Un, despite that tyrant's atrocious human rights violations in North Korea!!! That is how "objective" and "discerning" you are about one of your many idols, which is, actually, not objective and discerning about him at all!!! You don't care about the "President"'s (he isn't really the President, since he stole the election, the same as George W. Bush did!!!) affair with Stormy Daniels, but you and your ilk were all over Bill Clinton's "affair" with Monica Lewinsky (mainly, just her giving him blowjobs in the Oval Office). That is the kind of double standard and dishonesty and stupidity that you conservatives operate on!!!! You can't, honestly, claim that Stormy Daniels just "made up the whole affair with him" because she wouldn't have been paid not to talk about something that never happened, but that doesn't stop all of you from dishonestly claiming that "she just made it all up and it never really happened", since dishonesty is what you are all about and constantly practice every day and waking hour!!!!! Quite obviously, it did happen, but nothing ever proves anything against Trumpelstiltskin to you idiotic and lying Trumpophiles!!!! Many people in his own White House staff and cabinet have called him an IDIOT!!!! (and they should certainly know far more about him from daily dealings with him than you or any other Trumpophiles, who are merely looking at him and blindly and gullibly believing and swallowing hook, line, and sinker anything that he says about himself from a distance, "know" about him!!!), and STILL!!!, despite that first hand testimony of these people who are daily dealing with that MORON!!!!! in the White House, you go right on believing in and following that BLOWHARD!!!! and FOOL!!!!!, like the stupid sheeple people that you are!!!!! That is how blind and gullible all of you are about Trumpelstiltskin and how actually non-iconoclastic you are about him!!! He only had to nominate this sexual predator Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court and cheat and play political games with his cronies the Republican Senators to get him appointed to the Supreme Court to know that all of his slaves (you and all other conservatives) would immediately bleat and fall in line behind his choice and actions in this matter, like the dumb little sheep that you all are!!!! If you aren't even objective and discerning about this "President" himself, how could you possibly be objective and discerning about anyone else that he is merely nominating for a post on the Supreme Court?!! What you aren't capable of doing for the greater matter, you can forget all about doing for the lesser matter, which can slip by much easier!!! The Russians meddled in the so-called "election" that put him into office and he only tries to "excuse" that by saying that "Well, China has meddled in our elections, too" (as though, even if it is true, that, somehow, makes it any better!)---and you sheep again just say "Baaaa, baaaa, baaaa" and follow him!!! He got his money from his father and has NO!!! actual business acumen or ability at all, as the New York Times article on him proves. If he can't handle even his own businesses, why would any reasonable people think that he could run the business of this country's government. No reasonable people would, but, fortunately for Trumpelstilskin, he doesn't rely on reasonable people and didn't need them to get into office, but only all of you obviously unreasonable and gullible people!!! John Owens has a problem with my long posts because they are too much for him to understand and respond to adequately, since I don't stop at the word "If", and so let's see if you are any smarter than he or any other conservative is, which isn't really very bloody likely at all!!!! John Owens has admitted that he is incapable of intelligently answering my posts and doesn't actually have an intelligent answer for them because all that he ever does is give me evasions, deflections, changing of the subject, smoke screens, and other such tactics. Let's see if you can give me any reasonable responses to this post and not just more of his same tactics. John Owens is too afraid of trying to talk a hard-core neo-Nazi or Klansman out of his bigotry against Jews or black people and let that guy give him a taste of his own medicine and attitude toward people when they talk to him about gay rights and gay marriage or about standing up for women and believing Dr. Ford and other women who accuse men of sexual assault or rape. He is afraid that that would open his own mind, too. So, how about you? Why don't you try to talk to a hard-core neo-Nazi or Klansman and argue them out of their bigotry and let them give you a taste of your own medicine and attitude toward people when they talk to you about these issues or are you too afraid to do so, too? Let me know how it goes, if you're actually brave enough to try it. Was this long enough for you or too much for you to understand, too? John Owens is extremely childish, since his final parting shot to me was that I am "wrong, wrong, wrong about everything, everything, everything" (like he is a six year old!!!) and that is why I won't waste any more time trying to reason with him directly because he is far too childish and stupid to understand me!!! So, let's see if you are any more adult and sensible than he is and can give me some actually intelligent answers to my post here, if it gets posted. In the meantime, you might want to qualify your handle a lot more precisely by stipulating that you aren't actually a destroyer of all icons, but only of those few that you perceive to be "icons of the Left"----and not even those very well at all!!!!

Iconoclast

Ouch! Ewww! That smarts so much, John! Your scathing commentary has cut me to the core! Oh, the inhumanity!

Umm, just in case you have not noticed, Johnny P, the "icons and idols of the Right Wing" have very few defenders on this blatantly left-leaning ULC Monastery Blog, and are pretty much the only ones being slandered and mindlessly attacked. If you tell blatant lies or speak in slanderous bigotry concerning a Democrat or outright Communist, I will defend them also. I despise Jane Fonda and Bernie Sanders, but if you just make up terrible things to say about them which have no foundation, I will speak up on their behalf. Maybe you should learn a little bit about balance, honesty, being just, which obviously are not part(s) of your repertoire.

Iconoclast

Ford has not ONE person to back her up. I don't know if you get your info from NPR, or CNN or the View, but you are living in a fart-bubble if you believe what you are saying.

jason bender

John D Partin, My friend... Your passionate, learned, wise words when posted here is much like casting pearls before swine - to borrow a phrase... or, put alternatively: You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think - LOL - to coin a phrase...

I love your writing...wondering if you ever write at Quora.com? Check the site out if not, your talents would be openly appreciated there. (I am too much of a you know what hole to post there much myself, lol, but you have a more even temperament and calm demeanor than I, LOL ;)

Peace! Jason + Fischer Bender

jason bender

John D Partin, Check out Quora dot com - Excellent writers, possessed of wisdom and knowledge - like you - are openly appreciated there - check it out! Here your talents are much like the biblical proverb of 'casting pearls before swine.' (eg 'you can lead a horse's *** to knowledge, but you can't make him think! LOL) Peace, Jason & Fischer Bender

John Owens

Talk sense to a lunatic, and he will think you are crazy.

I hope you are both very happy with the nomination.

BTW, how many women have died as a result of this nomination, thus far?

JASON D BENDER

"It seems impossible to me that anything can exist that is totally evil" well, you, sir, have obviously never met my ex-wife.

Carl Elfstrom

For further explanation study the Kybalion by Three Initiates, which can be purchased from Amazon.

Lionheart

Yes and also study Harry Potter, and also the Three Little Pigs. Fascinating stories all composed by human beings. You will find they contain no logic to this posting, just like the Kybalion, and other such books of rubbish.

Bud Kruger

Listen my friends. God is Truth. You espouse all the vitriolic diatribe you want. In the end it comes back to truth. Our lord created the garden of Eden and we in our little egocentric cocoons are screwing it up. Our country is founded on the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty. We must stay true to that foundation or vigilante justice will rule once again.

Lionheart

Bud, how on earth can you say a mythical god is truth, and then follow that up with the garden of eden myth, and THEN say "in the end it comes back to truth". There is NO truth, or evidence, any god exists, and there is NO truth in the mythical story of the garden of eden. We all know the age of the earth, with evidence, that the earth isn't 6000 years old, which it would have to be if you falsely believed in the Garden of Eden.

John Owens

I'm GLAD you won't respond anymore, but I think now you will seem more rational, since you will not be ranting and accusing and hurling bigoted, ignorant remarks in these terribly long sentences and paragraphs. Now you will appear to at least be intelligent enough to be more introspective and see that you are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything, everything, everything.

JASON D BENDER

No. It is not! I disagree, sir!

Rev. John D. Partin

Jim D, were you watching the same Senate hearings that I was watching? The hearings that I was watching had Democratic Senators repeatedly asking Judge Kavanaugh if he would like the FBI to investigate the allegations by Dr. Ford and these other women against him and clear this matter up and would tell the Senate Republicans to permit that to happen, which he repeatedly refused and hemmed and hawed about and tried to pass the buck to the Senate Judiciary Committee about. The hearings that I was watching had Senator Grassley saying that the FBI doesn't need to investigate this matter and so doesn't need to be brought in to investigate any further. But what does Senator Grassley or any other Republican Senator have to say about the FBI's investigating anything, if the "Senate Republicans do not control the FBI"? If the FBI "does not investigate allegations of sex crimes unless they take place on federal property", then I guess that all victims of sexual assault and rape should try to struggle their way over to the nearest post office or other federal property while they are under attack, so that their charges can be investigated by the FBI, and the Senate Democrats were "talking nonsense" when they kept asking Judge Kavanaugh to have the FBI investigate this matter, since they must not know the law, obviously, as well as you do. That was facetiousness, in case you don't know. The assault on Dr. Ford took place at a party, not federal property, and the Senate Democrats were still asking him to invite an FBI investigation of it, and so, quite obviously, the FBI can investigate sex crimes at other locations than just federal property. You said that the FBI "has already conducted six extremely thorough background investigations on Kavanaugh, and not even a whiff of sexual abuse has ever surfaced", but "not a whiff of sexual abuse has ever surfaced", according to you and everyone else who just automatically believes anything that Kavanaugh says, and none of that in reality are, quite obviously, two different things----because there wouldn't still be any demand for more investigation of this matter if everything had really been investigated fully and ALL!!!!! witnesses questioned by the FBI. So, obviously, more still remains to be investigated and there are still more questions and loose ends that need to be answered. Your claiming, along with Kavanaugh, that this is "all just a left-wing conspiracy against him" is ridiculous because Dr. Ford doesn't have any political agenda or a political bone in her body and isn't being used for any left-wing political agenda, but just spoke sincerely and tearfully and openly, whereas Kavanaugh was angry and partisan and even questioning the Democratic Senators there about their drinking habits (they were there to question him, not him there to question them!!!), which I have seen experts on sex crimes say on TV is typically "entitled and belligerent" behavior from sexual predators. These experts said that if Kavanaugh were on trial for sexual assault, his behavior alone would convince a jury of his guilt. Where there is smoke, there is fire!!! Why doesn't Kavanaugh's behavior at the hearing convince you that he is the one with the right-wing political agenda and the pawn of a right-wing conspiracy against Democrats and the country. Dr. Ford was credible in her testimony and Kavanaugh wasn't. That is all that there is to it!!! How can you honestly look at both of their appearances in the Senate hearing and compare them and not also see that she was far more credible than Kavanaugh was?!!! There is another week long investigation by the FBI of Kavanaugh being called for by the Donald and we can only hope that it won't be just another token and show "investigation" in order to get people off his back and so that he can say "See, I investigated it!!! What else do you want? You are just never satisfied!!! Let's have a vote now". I don't have a problem, more than usual, with Kavanaugh's being conservative, but only with his not being open to more investigation of this matter and transparent. He could be the King of All Conservatives, for all that I care about that, just as long as he and Trumpelstiltskin let the FBI fully investigate this matter and question everybody involved in it or who knows anything about it and not tie their hands or limit them in any way. If Kavanaugh is really innocent of these charges, then he has nothing to worry about and no reason to not let the FBI do whatever it does here and if he isn't innocent of these charges, we all need to know that and he doesn't deserve a seat on the Supreme Court. Let's find out, one way or another, and then he can conservatize his ASS!!!! completely off, for all that I care about that------until he gets impeached, that is!!!

JASON D BENDER

John Partin - Awesome post! Typed or voice to text? (just curious... lol ;)

Jim D.

John D. Partin, you have argued your viewpoint with all the illogic of my ex-wife. From my experience with her I have learned there is nothing to be gained by further debate since you will pick and choose what you like and disregard the rest.

For example, Kavanaugh did not ask for an FBI investigation because he has no authority to do that. He did, however, say he would fully cooperate with any investigation the committee deems appropriate. The fact that you are so pissed that he didn't jump up and scream, "FBI, INVESTIGATE ME!" is utterly ridiculous.

Another example, the TV "experts" that said Kavanaugh's behavior alone (meaning no other facts in evidence) during the hearing "would convince a jury of his guilt." Seriously? Were these so-called "experts" featured on CNN (Corrections, Not News)? I've heard other experts say he was understandably angry, even defiant, because was being accused of a heinous crime, his family threatened, his name and reputation dragged through the mud. Wouldn't you be a bit angry if you were wrongly accused and all of that crap happened to you?

How about the six FBI investigations that were already done? They did not find any incidents of sexual abuse because, according to you, because "... [I] and everyone else who just automatically believes anything that Kavanaugh says..." It's not what I and everyone else believes. It's the FBI's findings from the six investigations. What part of that don't you get? They didn't find anything. Get over it.

I could go on and on, shooting holes in that diatribe of crap you wrote, but I won't because it won't do any good. It is clear to me that you hate the President, this administration, and everything associated with him. You still haven't gotten over the election, and my guess is you never will. And your hatred runs so deep that it compromises your ability to evaluate ALL the data, not just the stuff you like, and render a thoughtful conclusion. As I have stated all along, I feel bad for Ford, Kavanaugh, and the American people. I don't think Ford has any agenda other than to try to figure out her past and heal the wounds. I wish her good luck with that. This whole circus is going to set her progress back for a long time. She was used by Senate Democrats. She wanted all of this to remain out of the public, and it was leaked by Franken-Feinstein's office, which makes sense since her office was the only party that had the information.

John, I'm not suggesting you jump off the Democrat ship. It's not my place to tell people their politics. But I will suggest you put your obvious anger aside. Go back and really evaluate what everyone actually says. Don't get caught up in Christine Ford's meek and mild demeanor, her deer-in-the-headlights look, her vocal fry. Don't be swayed by Kavanaugh's anger, his belligerence, his tears. Listen to what everyone says, put that together with the facts, the REAL facts, not just what you or anyone else believes to be true. Use your own brain with no influences from the media or anyone else, and come up with an answer. I'm not suggesting it will be the same as mine, but at least you can say it is honest.

Iconoclast

Nothing to investigate.

JASON D BENDER

Jim D... John D Partin packs more logic and intellectual firepower into just a few sentences than you can muster in one entire several thousand word screed!

John Owens

You say that because you think he is making your case for you, but if he can put so much intellectual firepower into a few sentences, why does he filibuster on nearly every comment he makes?

JASON D BENDER

Because he is dropping a TRUTH MOAB on all Y'all Trumpster Turdettes, that is why!

Iconoclast

You have the turd part right. It is mostly bovine turds, not so cleverly disguised to sound like acrimony.

Iconoclast

It is flashing ultra-bright LED showing.

Fred V Miller Captain Retired

I come from a different time than most of you people. I was a Democrat most of my earlier life and come from the Winston Churchill observation of life. I spent some time in the Pacific in 1945 as a teenager. I spent thirty years in police work, retried as Chief of Detectives. I am in my ninety's and have seen it all. I am associated with this mission believing that each of you receive what ever prefix you use based upon the teaching of Jesus, He attracted disciples from the reservoir of the common man. This is the mantle that you gain your beliefs from. My association is based on my humble conviction that all Christians are disciples. It is forged in the furn ices of life. There never was nor is there now any of you that is perfect. Jesus's said let you that are nor guilty of sin cast the first stone. I am disappointed in the under lying disdain that exists below the surface that permeates some of these comments. From my place at the table I can state that this whole circus by my former political associates does not measure up to Christian dictates, nor does it not have problems with the the charges involved.

I would council all to remove the rose colored glass that you view this situation and view this with fairness and objection.

I love my country, my Constitution and especially my Bill Of Rights

John Owens

He does that a lot. There are no credible accusations here. Neither his, nor hers.

Rev. John D. Partin

Jim D, I'm not concerned about annoying you at all because, quite frankly, you annoy me as well and one good turn deserves another!!! As for your calling me a "dumbass" and "idiot", I couldn't care less about your dumbass and idiotic opinions about me because anyone, such as you, who would believe a drunken, beer-loving and swilling, belligerent, mean-tempered (as he showed at the hearings!), "entitled" feeling, lying, and arrogant RAPIST!!!! over a sincere and honest woman, such as Dr. Ford, is the KING OF ALL IDIOTS AND DUMBASSES!!!! No reasonable or logical or discerning person would do that and so that excludes you from the ranks of reasonable people in this world and makes your calling me any names the whole pot factory calling a single kettle "black"!!! You are showing Kavanaugh's same feeling of "entitlement" by your "thinking" that you can tell me not to talk to you or anyone else in this blog, as though you own it!!!! I will tell you, as I have told other people here, if you can't stand the heat or a response to your post, stay out of the kitchen and the blog because you just don't get to tell me anything here and I'm going to respond to you or anyone else here that I wish and YOU CAN GO STUFF YOURSELF!!!! You have made up your mind on this matter, no matter what you say, because you can even compare his testimony to her testimony and still come out taking his side against her, which, again, no reasonable person would do!!! She swore under oath in the hearings that she was "100% certain that it was Kavanaugh who sexually assaulted her", knowing full well that she would be convicted of perjury and go to prison if she was caught in a lie. She has absolutely nothing to gain from lying about him and everything to lose by doing so. Kavanaugh, on the other hand, has everything to gain by lying in this matter (the Supreme Court Judgeship!) and nothing to lose by it, since he will just go back to his DC Circuit Court bench, inasmuch as his Republican friends in the Senate won't send him to prison for perjury when they won't even come out against him on this allegation. So, again, you are taking the side of someone with nothing to lose by lying and everything to gain by it over the side of someone with everything to lose by lying and nothing to gain by it, which shows how really STUPID!!! and GULLIBLE!!!! you are!!!! I can trade insults with you all day long, if that is what you want, because nobody is better at it or loves it more than I do, or we can have a reasonable and respectful conversation. Whichever of those two sounds best to you is what we can go with!!!! It makes more "sense" to you that Dr. Ford is "mistaken" about identifying Kavanaugh as her attacker than it does that Kavanaugh is mistaken in his memory of this incident----even though drunks commonly don't remember things that they have done, after passing out or blacking out. That is how truly UNREASONABLE!!!! and UNDISCERNING!!!! you are because no sensible person would believe a drunk who forgets things that he has done routinely over someone who swore under oath that he did it and has no reason to lie and every reason not to lie!!!! It doesn't matter at all that 100 people who have known him throughout his life vouch for his character and cannot give any credence to Dr. Ford's allegations because every serial rapist and killer who has ever lived, before their crimes were discovered, had people vouching for them and saying "I never would have thought that he (or she) would ever have done anything like that because they always seemed so nice and pleasant to be around" and everybody has areas of their lives and things that they have done that other people (even close friends and family members) don't know about, since we all need our privacy, sometimes. What can happen with serial rapists and killers can happen far easier and more often with someone who has only committed his crimes a few times----that we know of. According to your "thinking", Grigori Rasputin and even Adolf Hitler would have been saints because they weren't even suspected of ever doing anything wrong by their friends and loved ones, either----even when the wrongs that they did were right in front of these people and shown to them, since they just made excuses for it and "justified" it. This sort of thing has happened many times throughout history with many people. What can be done with something right in front of you can certainly be done far easier and more often, of course, with things that you don't know anything about. Your misogyny is proven, despite your denials of it, by your characterization of Dr. Ford's (and I quote) "meek and mild demeanor, her deer-in-the-headlights look, her vocal fry" and your dismissal of these other women's allegations and your saying that we should not "be swayed by Kavanaugh's anger, his belligerence, his tears", the same as an alcoholic is proven to be an alcoholic, despite his protests that he "isn't", by his behavior and statements. No more than I would believe that an obvious alcoholic isn't one just because he says that he isn't would I believe that you aren't a misogynist just because you say that you aren't when your words and thinking are telling me the exact opposite!!! That would just be too gullible on my part. No more, either, do I believe that Kavanaugh didn't commit these sexual assaults against Dr. Ford and these other women just because he, too, says that "he didn't" (when drunks pass out and black out all of the time and forget what they have done) because that would also just be gullibility on my part, as it is on your part!!!! His not remembering doing those things and his not having done them are, quite obviously and realistically, two different things. It doesn't matter, either, that five of the FBI investigations took place before the Donald became "President" (he stole the election, the same as George W. Bush did!!!), but only that they weren't complete investigations, since if they had been, they would have uncovered Kavanaugh's guilt in these matters. The proof is in the pudding! When they do quality investigation, I give them credit for doing so, but when they do slipshod "investigations", I call them on that, too, and don't care about their opinion of my appraisal of their "work". If the FBI comes back this time with nothing again against Kavanaugh, that will be proof of more slipshod "work" in their "investigation" of this matter, as it was the six previous times. The proof will still be in the pudding!!! Your or their "thinking" that "Kavanaugh is innocent of these allegations" and his actually being innocent of them are, quite obviously and realistically, two different things. Now, if you don't have anything intelligent (unlike what you usually post) to say in response to this post or more to say, you go away and annoy someone else!!! What works for you works for me, too!!!

Jim D.

John, there is an old saying that goes, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

You talk too much.

Iconoclast

Amen.

Jim D.

The reason for your long posts is that you are a babbling fool that says the same thing over and over and offers nothing in the way of analytical and logical thinking.

I won't tell you to keep quiet. Please, keep right on babbling.

Rev. John D. Partin

Jim D, once again, a blithering idiot, such as yourself, calling me or anyone else a "babbling fool" is really just the biggest joke of all and the whole pot factory calling a single kettle "black". Only obvious blithering idiots, such as you and Iconoclast and John Owens, could possibly believe that a drunk is more credible than his accuser who isn't a drunk or that someone who has every reason to lie and no reason to tell the truth (Kavanaugh) is more believable than someone who has every reason to tell the truth and no reason to lie (Dr. Ford)!!! I won't go through all of the other reasons again to doubt Kavanaugh's testimony and believe Dr. Ford's testimony because that would just be more pouring water over a rock and casting pearls before swine, since nothing ever gets through to a conservative, anyway, and sinks through all of the mud and rock up in your heads!!!! The main thing that conservatives conserve is thinking because you don't do any of that at all!!!! No sensible person can possibly be a conservative because that is a contradiction in terms!!! Now, that Kavanaugh is on the Supreme Court, the only thing left to do about it is to impeach him!!! It isn't over yet.

I.S. Johnson

Dear Mr. Partin,

These gentlemen you are speaking with are the type of closed minded conservatives that argue not to get at truth, but the sort that argue for sport. Given hard evidence they would still deny and argue. To speak with them is a waste of breath as they seek only to upset you. Try not to let them bait you. The deed is done for bad or good (Probably bad) and in time we will have to undo many ills of this presidency. Keep your focus on matters you can influence and a strong hold on your ethics.

Rev. John D. Partin

I.S. Johnson. thank you very much for your good advice and insight about these Conservatives and, of course, you are right about them! I will certainly try to keep my focus on matters I can influence and a strong hold on my ethics. Very best wishes to you as well!!

JASON D BENDER

RE: 'the pot factory calling the kettle “black”' -

PLEASE! For the love of God! Do NOT bring race into this!

Rev. John D. Partin

JO, well, I'll try yet again---even more calmly. Your not accepting the evidence presented by Dr. Ford and her evidence's not actually being evidence are two entirely different things. As I've told you before, you don't even accept basically logical and reasonable things as being true and so your not accepting her evidence as evidence and true is just par for the course with you. She swore under oath (with the penalty of perjury and prison time if she was caught lying hanging over her) that she was 100% certain that it was Kavanaugh who sexually assaulted her. That is evidence, even if you don't accept it as evidence, the same as you don't accept other basic logic and facts as true and reasonable. Why would this be any different----with someone such as you!!! If you don't accept her sworn testimony that Kavanaugh did it and have to blow out another smoke screen and evade the issue yet again with your temper tantrum here and phony "sympathy" for Dr. Ford by saying that "she probably was attacked, but just not by Kavanaugh", then you have to, consistently (if you are ever consistent at all!!!), discount all other women's accusations against their rapists and sexual assaulters with those same tactics and then no man would ever be convicted of rape or sexual assault and go to prison over it!!! I called you some rotten and obscene names, too, and said the most hateful things against you that I could come up with, but ULC didn't post it here, which is probably for the best, since all of that is only a distraction from and evasion of the issue at hand----and you need to learn that, too!!!!----and nobody here wants to read any of that garbage from you and I or any other people here, except those who get off on that kind of thing and whom neither you nor I should want to entertain and give them what they want and a show for their benefit!!! My posts here aren't dependent on your postings to me, so that I would have to wait for that to happen in order to post here. My posts have nothing to do with you and I will go right on posting here even if you never post to me again, which I would greatly prefer. Nobody was even talking to you. I was talking to Jim D, not you!!!! I will post to whomever I want in here and talk about you or whomever I want in here, whether you like it or not, and you have just nothing to say about it and it is none of your business!!! So, don't get your panties in a bunch over it, take a chill pill, and pinch your bag and get glad!!! You are the brainwashed one here, when you can just follow conservative and Republican party lines, propaganda, and indoctrination, by comparing Kavanaugh's and Dr. Ford's testimony and still come out on Kavanaugh's side. Dr. Ford has 40 other witnesses that she wanted the FBI to investigate to corroborate her story, but they only bothered with 9 of them----and even them only half-assedly!!! Questioning (half-assedly) 9 out of 40 people might seem like a "full investigation" to you (because that is what you already want to believe and won't listen to anything else and it isn't difficult at all to convince you of something that you already want to believe), but that isn't, quite obviously, a full investigation to anyone else who actually thinks about it. The FBI only conducted a token and show "investigation" this last time because the President wanted Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court and was directing their "investigation" and he wasn't going to let anything stop Kavanaugh from getting on the Supreme Court----as is quite obvious to everyone, except you and other indoctrinated, brainwashed, and blindered Trumpophiles!!! Dr. Ford had every reason to tell the truth and no reason to lie, whereas Kavanaugh had every reason to lie and no reason to tell the truth. Yet, despite that obvious difference in motivation in their testimonies, you and your ilk still side with Kavanaugh over Dr. Ford. That is how unthinking you and other Trumpophiles are about this matter!!! I keep repeating myself over and over and over again to you and other conservatives here "like a broken record", as you say, in the hope of getting through finally to, at least, some of you, the same as Jesus constantly railed against the Pharisees, trying to get through to some of them. I'm not usually successful at getting through to any of you because you are too brainwashed and indoctrinated by conservatism (a mental illness and defect!!!) to permit that happen, but, at least, I get through to some other people here and find others who agree with me, and that is enough!!!

Iconoclast

Sorry, John. Hate to burst your bubble, but you are not "getting through" to anyone here. A few, who actually share your psychoses (plural), will encourage you from time to time, but nobody is going to read all your hysterical babbling. It's like an English translation of the Koran. Boring, repetitious, and mostly false. Your attempts at reasoning are sad. I pity you.

Iconoclast

I don't think EVERYONE who disagrees with me is wrong, John. Just most of them, which includes you. You are the close-minded one, accusing me of being that way. Your own bigotry and prejudice are monumental. I've never been associated with any people as bigoted as you are, except for a few Muslims who hate Jews. Your fanatical zeal would be admirable if you had any nobility about you.

JASON BENDER

I do not associate with anti-semites! neither should you!

Iconoclast

Jason, I had college classes with them. I didn't have spend-the-night parties with them. Also, as an adult, I choose with whom I will associate and to what extent.

JASON D BENDER

INCORRECT!!

John Owens

Says you.

Lauren

I agree are you really Christian's. You sure do not sound like Christian's.

Iconoclast

Oh yes. He just did everything he accused the Trump administration of doing.

James Jimbo Jones

Hang in there, you can do it.

JASON D BENDER

Good One!! LOL!

James Jimbo Jones

No one has said the word "rape" but YOU.

Kenneth J Hale

I never knew an idiot could write that much!!

Todd Copeland

Anger. Hatred. Judgement. Condemnation. This is what you have responded with. We can't give in to these things as they only cause more pain, to ourselves and others. We are looking at a situation in which we are on the outside, looking in...and only what we see on media. We can't judge anything, that isn't OUR job. Unfortunately, much of the media does everything they can to sway our opinions, because of their own biases...and not because of fact, either. I am with you in standing up for women who are abused and that they should be heard. In this situation, unfortunately, it follows a pattern by a political party to advance their own agenda, not in any way to support of stand up for her. That doesn't make me a "Trump" lover. That simply makes me an outsider, looking in, objectively. Sadly, there may or may not be truth to any of the claims. We may never know...looking back 30-36 years and with no concrete evidence or proof. He said, she said, isn't it. We need to do more to help women moving forward - to help them report things, right away...to help them be heard...and even more than that, to stop sexual assaults, overall.

Shalom

Greg

You tell them brother.we are suppose to be a nation of Justice. Let Justice be served.liars should not be elected to the supreme court,they should not sit on a judicial bench.

Faith Robert

Any one getting their tongues cut out should be the proven liars and there are plenty of them in this administration and the first one cut should be the great proven liar of over 5000 lies, Donald Trump.

Gwendolyn Lord

NOTHING WORSE THAN A WOMAN WHO BETRAYS HER GENDER BY SIDING WITH MOLESTERS AND RAPISTS. trump is a sex offender as is his pet nominee. The Good Ole'Boys stick together...men of wealth who never heard the word "NO" even when it was screamed at them as they pinned some woman down against her will. May the Deity shine a bright light of shame on all evil-doers and hypocrites.

Iconoclast

So you are saying there is no way this woman (Ford) can just be a lying Democrat operative who is being suborned to defame a man who never did anything to her? EVIDENCE (something about which you do not seem to care) has already made everything she has alleged suspect. There is NOTHING credible about her story.

Do young men try to rub on young women and pin them, hoping they will get all hot and bothered and respond with eagerness? Yes, they do.
Should they do that? No, they should not.
Did she say he tried to take off her clothes, or make her touch his penis, or suffocate her to keep her quiet? No.
Does it appear that anything she has alleged has any credibility at all? No. If Slick Willy did it, would you give a damn? No.

Rev. John D. Partin

Conversely, Father Thom, according to you and other people who don't want to believe the victims of rape and sexual assault, "they always lie and the people whom they are accusing never lie". That is equally stupid!!! Yes, sometimes, "victims of rape" are lying and those whom they are accusing are innocent. Sometimes, that happens and that much is true. But genuine victims of rape aren't lying and accusations of rape aren't proven to be "lies and made up stories" just because you need them to be that and don't want to believe them---because, as in this case, you can't believe anything that is said against Trumpelstiltskin or the man that he has nominated for the Supreme Court. Then, it is you who are lying and distorting the truth for your own bias and agenda. I just saw Dr. Ford testifying in the Senate hearing and she was sincere and crying there, and I will believe her over that LYING DOG!!!!! Kavanaugh and LYING DOG!!!!!! Trumpelstiltskin definitely every time and any day of the week, since they aren't sincere or credible and are notorious LIARS!!!!!

Kenneth J Hale

Gulable people believe lies!

Rev. John D. Partin

Greg, thank you for your agreement with me on my post. You are right in saying that "liars should not be elected to the supreme court, they should not sit on a judicial bench". To James Jimbo Jones and Kenneth J Hale, rape is also just holding a woman down on a bed and feeling her up, not only penetrating her, against her will, and it takes a lot of writing to fight against stupidity, which is intelligent, and not idiotic, to do!!!

Paul

Totally agree. You nailed it.

John Owens

Would Jesus have condemned this man with no evidence?

John Owens

If he had realized you were speaking to him, he would have written a manifesto to refute you.

John D. Partin

He wasn't speaking to ME!! He was speaking to someone else, you meany!

Gerardo Defendini

And you are giving as much evidence of your words as Ford gave. NONE

OK here's a challenge.

How about someone tell me why should I believe her and not him? (and it can't be because she is a woman. We are looking for equal treatment no?) Can anyone answer that? NO?

I am happy that you have opinions, just don't push them as facts. Because they are not. You state "That guy did all those things and many more are being hidden by the Amoral Republicans and McConnel'.

Were you there? NO, then how do you know? You don't do you? Not one piece of evidence. "Trump cover for his criminal behavior" Any evidence of this either? No.

Let's hope no one ever accuses you of a crime and you land in the court where a judge thinks just like you.

John Owens

I wonder, because you say, "many more are being hidden by the Amoral Republicans..."

How can you possibly know they are being hidden? I mean, if they ARE being hidden, how would you know about them? Do you have an inside line on information kept from the public? Are you psychic? Is there any remote possibility that you are imagining them? Wouldn't what you are postulating be considered a "conspiracy theory?"

I am not saying it cannot be true, but if you are on the left, and you accuse someone else of believing in a conspiracy theory, in the left's eyes, that means the other person is automatically wrong, doesn't it? Just because someone said "conspiracy theory."

Surely you do not believe this concerted failed effort to stall the Kavanaugh hearing can be anything other than a conspiracy, and yet, you are willing to deny that, and postulate that Kavanaugh's supporters are conspiring to hide things about which you cannot possibly have any clue. So, are conspiracies real, or fake? If they are real, do only conservatives participate in the conspiracies, or can leftists and liberals also be guilty?

John Owens

From whence comes that statistic? I find it hard to believe what you are saying could ever be verified.

jason bender

ONE STUDY FOUND ~40% WERE TRUE..,. 100%?!? NO WAY!

Rev. John D. Partin

If all convictions only happened due to eyewitness testimony, there would be only 1% or less of them happening, since most are the result of circumstantial evidence.

John Owens

You should be ashamed, talking that way about Obama.

Gerardo Defendini

Your language. Very pastoral of you. Let me see. I work for the unemployment office so I know what a job interview is like. A job interview may NOT ask if anyone has accused you of anything. In fact, the applications for employment only ask about CONVICTIONS, not even arrests. Got that? Tell me, if your ex, or someone does not like you, calls an employer and simply alledges you did something to her, no evidence, 4 wittnesses that do not back her up, and the employer states he or she will not hire you because of that, what would you do? This person waited over 30 years, not one single witness willing to back it up, and we should believe her because of what. I we are to have equality when it comes to gender, we have to understand that women are EQUALLY capable of making mistakes and even lying. I myself, believe evidence, and there is no evidence here.

Iconoclast

Very astute response, Gerardo. Graci tanti.

Donald W Schmidt

That's just an excuse for evil to thrive. By that logic, others have killed people, committed atrocities, etc., so I guess it's moral and acceptable for anyone else to do it too.

Justin Martin

AFFAIRS = CONSENT, SEXUAL ABUSE, SEXUAL HARASSMENT, RAPE = NO CONSENT. IS ADULTERY WRONG, I BELIEVE SO AND THE CHRISTIAN TEACHING SAY SO BUT RAPE, SEXUAL ABUSE, AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT IS MORE THAN AN AFFAIR-PERIOD!!!

Gerardo Defendini

Unaware of any president that "killed people". Aware of one senator, Ted Kennedy, that did kill someone and he remained a democrat senator.

Gerardo Defendini

Merriam Webster defines "Birth" "the emergence of a new individual with life from the body of its parent" Being pro-life, by English definition IS being pro birth. One and the same.

JASON D BENDER

Dude! Zip it! People who think and talk like you do are going to cost the rest of us guys the "Patriarchy!"

PS: "A vengeful KID can accuse you of Rape with NO proof, What then?" Well, that is one of many reasons that we adult males should avoid associating with kids outside of the company of a responsible adult 3rd parties who can bear witness to the innocence of the circumstance... I practically run away in terror when the too mature (sexualized) for her own good teenage checkout girl asks me if I want help carrying my groceries.

preacher richard h.

You may not like the way I talk or what I say ,But You Will get my Honest opinion of the facts , also that is What is going on these if you haven't lived through that era then you wont understand. . that's Fine about you running away from The checkout girls ,But This is my POINT you should not HAVE TO live in fear of accusations ,ALL these movements are meant to instill fear an Silence people, All this Hate n Anger that is coming out of the Radical left is a slow fuse burning for both sides. It is insanity. an it wont get better till the war finishes an the population is about 10 or 20 million in the decline