5-year-old Zoey lost her mother, then she lost her father, and now, because the women who adopted her are gay, she’s losing her school.
The child, from Louisiana, was tragically orphaned in 2020 after her father’s death in an industrial accident. She was taken in by her aunt, Jennifer Parker, and her aunt's wife. The two women officially completed the adoption process just recently, and become official guardians of Zoey.
The plan was for the child to enroll in the same school she’d been attending, Bible Baptist Academy, in DeQuincy, Louisiana. That's when things went south.
Emily and Jennie Parker were shocked to be informed by school administrators informed that their “lifestyle choices” were incompatible with the private Christian school’s values – and that their newly adopted daughter was no longer welcome there.
School’s Out... Forever
The meeting with the school's director and its pastor took place just two days before school was set to begin, leaving the Parkers scrambling to find somewhere else to enroll Zoey. While they did find another school, the experience was painful for the whole family.
“This was a big slap in the face,” explained Emily Parker.
The Parkers weren't the only ones to question the decision. Zoey previously attended pre-K at Bible Baptist Academy, where she had friends and was familiar with the teachers. Now she must uproot all of that, in the wake of her father’s death, because her adoptive parents are gay? It didn't sit right with many people.
The incident has sparked outrage, with opponents decrying the school’s decision to tell a kindergartner who has recently experienced an unspeakable tragedy she's being kicked out of the only school she’s ever known… for something she had no control over.
Despite this unfortunate development, the Parkers are trying their best to look on the bright side.
“My little girl will never find herself alone or without love. She is loved farther than comprehension could explain,” wrote Emily Parker on Facebook. “I am so excited for her new journey. I just hate how it came about.”
Christian Values
For its part, the school insists it is simply upholding Christian values.
School officials clarified in a statement that “this should not be interpreted that we have any hatred or malice toward them. We are just as committed to loving all people as we are to holding to Bible principles that people may not agree with or may not understand.”
That love will apparently have to be felt from a distance.
“As a Baptist academy, we are also committed to providing an environment that is consistent with the beliefs that we hold. We want our students to not only know our beliefs, but we want them to see them as well,” the school wrote in a statement on their website. “Regarding personal relationships, we hold that those relationships, whether in dating or in marriage, should be between a man and a woman.”
Emily Parker responded via social media, saying that she’s “thankful” the school kicked out her daughter. [I’m] thankful you will not mold my tiny human’s brain to be anything like you,” she wrote. “I will teach my child to love EVERYONE just like you say your God is supposed to.”
On the one hand, it’s a private Christian school called Bible Baptist Academy; it shouldn’t come as much of a surprise that they have a zero-tolerance policy on homosexuality. On the other hand, do they dole out expulsions evenly? As many on social media asked: are students kicked out if their parents get divorced?
But at the heart of the debate is a deeper question: Is it fair to punish children for the sins of their parents?
Update, 8/29/22: According to a Facebook post shared by Emily Parker, Zoey has been successfully enrolled at a different Christian school in the area. This new school, Parker explains, is "so accepting, they are non denominational, and have many cultures, races, and religions roaming their halls."
182 comments
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Robert Gagnon
I think it is the right decision to remove this little girl from the school. Apparently they have a no tolerance policy towards gays. It is much better for the child to miss out on this school's toxic teachings that would erode the new family dynamic she has found herself in. Her friends at school would eventually turn on her, and the kid would become a pariah. Unless of course she adopted the schools' attitude towards her new parents. Best to nip it in the bud now, before the kids mind is ruined.
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Stephanie A Willey
As mentioned earlier, the little girl will be far better off, better served, and better educated in a public school or a different private school that practices and teaches inclusivity.
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Rev. B
I agree completely. Has anyone else noticed that the school found out the girl's guardians are gay, so what do they do? Punish the GIRL. She's the one who wanted to attend or qt least her deceased parents did. She's much better off.
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Dr. Jerry Moyes
Neither hate, nor mistreatment of children, are Christian values. As I recall Jesus taught love, without question or qualification. I also recall Jesus put care of children before all others.
Too many people use Christianity as a shied to hide behind while nursing their insecurities and spreading hate.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Mistreating maybe not, but murdering them yes ...
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... all the men of the city shall stone him with stones, that he die ....(Dt. 21:18, 21)
Leviticus 20:9: "For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him."
Proverbs 30:17 The eye that mocks a father and scorns to obey a mother will be picked out by the ravens of the valley and eaten by the vultures.
Exodus 21:17 “Whoever curses his father or his mother shall be put to death.
Proverbs 23:13-14 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.
Remember when god killed all 1st born males.
Why must Christians punish children for their parents or grandparents or Adam & Eve's actions?
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Clay Serenbetz
The Old Testament is filled with ancient laws that have no bearing in the 21st Century. We have our own laws based on 21st Century morals and values. The separation of Church and State clearly dismisses the enforcement of Biblical "laws", except in an ecclesiastical court. If such a court ordered the cruel treatment of a suffering child, then that religion is not following Jesus' teachings.
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Daniel Gray
ok yet again for the ones who intentionally refuse to listen. The Constitution was ratified (made national law) in 1787, the very first mention of your myth is in 1802, a good 15 YEARS AFTER the constitutio0n was ratified meaning there MUST be a constitutional amendment saying this...and guess what. In the US Library of Congress there isnt any such constitutional amendment and under article 3 the SCOTUS does NOT have the authority to just make up parts of the constitution and they also have never had the right to interpret anything. Now since you are wrong on every count, why should anyone listen to you in the first place?
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Brian Scott Hoff
I've read a few of your posts / replies. You do not seem well. I hope things get better for you.
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Daniel Gray
Amusing, you have just destroyed yourself with this post as you are saying that a post with links and evidence that dhow you dont know what you are talking about is wrong just because its your opinion that they are. Which means we need to take whatever you say with a grain of salt.
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Pastor George Day
@Matthew Mastrogiovanni:
1) The Old Testament does not endorse violence and killing. On the contrary, it reduces it among people who were used to doing far worse than that. An example is one tooth for a tooth - people used to pull out two teeth for one. The Old Testament deals with the 'graduality of the law' rather than the 'law of gradualitry.'
2) It wasn't God who ordered the killing of the innocent (2-year-olds down), but King Herod.
I hope this helps :-) !
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flugo
'jerrimoy':
WRONG!'Before all others' Jesus put our relationship to His Father as pre-eminent . . . NOT children, as you contend. (The greatest commandment)
AND, Jesus DID teach love WITH qualification . . . 'love your neighbor as yourself'.
To preclude further embarrassment by your faulty presentation, you'd do well to do your homework before posting such blather, as above.
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Stephanie A Willey
flugo, should we then also read and interpret it as "...hate your neighbor as you hate yourself." ?
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flugo
'stif willi': You may read and interpret as you wish, but don't avoid the thrust of my comment.
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Brian Scott Hoff
Your "thrust" ? That's an unusual way to describe the point of your argument. It could be possible that you can quote biblical verses better than Stephanie. But quoting something doesn't make the source correct or even to make sense. Quote away as you deem necessary. You might have a small audience. But.. I believe you know your arguments are weak and easily pulled apart.
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Rev Mark D
Actually I had sort of preferred to look on the discharge decision as an act of love...knowing that school "family" is also part of a community and village extended family outlook way of life etc., which is part of the developmental function, the school might just well have perceived that some things might be expected to be a source of trouble and conflict between the two cultures and ultimately just not worth the struggle and other conflicts anticipated, depending on how they anticipated the future to go, i.e., half-full vs. half-empty given the community or tribal intersections, maybe decided to make what they might well have perceived to be a very advisable split early rather than worth the struggles-part, all in all. I'd give that benefit of doubt first before I started concluding evil-intent-this or evil-intent-that, upon either side.
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James Riggle-Johnson
They are upholding Christian values? Since when do Christian values include cruelty to children? Their religious freedoms just taught this little girl that Christians are full of hate. Good lesson. I guess it’s better to teach her now, so her hatred for Christians is fully justified. That they claim to teach love, but in reality, they teach intolerance. I wish every parent sending their children to this school would withdraw them immediately. The only way we are going to teach them is by cutting them off. Don’t allow the message they are sending to be rewarded.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Christian values have always include cruelty to children.
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Rev Mark D
Well Doug, Christians' values (not Christian values) have always included cruelty to children. Syntax and punctuation matter. Also it matters what they actually do, not what they say. I gave you a vote because I think I interpreted your meaning to be the first and third point I made here, not the middle one...If I assumed correctly.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Rev Mark D Thank you. Is it Christian values or Christians' values? I've always thought of it as Christian values. Thinking about it.... There are over 50,000 Christian religions on the world today so I think you are correct it is Christians' because there are so many Christian religions.
Oh dear, in reading my post I see the rest of my sentence was chopped off.
I agree, it's one's actions which count, not what one says. (Politicians, lawyers, criminals and advertising/marketing folks are excluded.)
My final sentence was.... It's the actions of Christians like these school officials which young people are observing which is making them see the Christian religion as being dope (stupid).
They don't want to be part of a religion which treats people without respect. The other issue young people have with the Christian religion is it is a form of White supremacy.
If you know your American history this was popular nearly 200 years ago with Manifest Destiny. Americans believed God gave the white Europeans America to spread democracy and capitalism across the entire North American continent while killing the Native Americans, stealing their land, plundering and forcing the Natives and slaves brought here to become become Christians. This was all in the name of the Christian God.
If you were a young person/teenager wouldn't you be look at how the white Christians in our country treated the non-whites and children and be embarrassed? Then look at what they have done to our country. Polluted rivers, oceans, fouled the air, caused climate change all in the name of God. It's embarrassing.
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Rev Mark D
Yep Doug, pretty much what you said.
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Pastor George Day
@Douglas Robert Spindler, the Catholic Church has apologised for most of the things you point out, and rightfully so. I wish we Protestants could do the same. Thank you for pointing out our mistakes in the past. May we learn to do better.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Pastor George Day What do you mean by mistakes in the past? Priests, pastors and bishops and still raping and molesting young children and women today. Just last week a bishop was arrested for raping young girls who were just 2 years old.
Do really think an apology is what what a young child, women who was rapped over and over in the name of God wants? Or makes it right?
Do you really think if someone brutally rapes you, your wife, son, daughter, grandchild with the help of the lord an apologizes will make everything all right?
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Donald Richard Starns When you are a Christian you can believe the Bible says whatever you need it to say. The Bible says nothing about 2 mommies. But it does have things to say about orphans.
Deuteronomy 10:18 says, “He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing.”
Psalm 10:14 says, “But you do see, for you note mischief and vexation, that you may take it into your hands; to you the helpless commits himself; you have been the helper of the fatherless.”
James 1:27 says, “Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.”
These women are far better people than the Christians who don't follow the tenets of their religion. How could any good Christian with any sense of decency do this to a young child who just lost their parents?
It's the actions of Christians like these school officials
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Children don’t belong in religious ‘schools’. They’re very susceptible to brainwashing. They already believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.
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pjm
"For its part, the school insists it is simply upholding Christian values."
And there you have it. Faux Christians with faux Christian values that have absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of Christ and his Disciples. It seems to be an epidemic among ignorant, hypocritical Bible-thumpers these days -- the Pharisees of our time. According to the Apostle Paul, The Fruit of the Spirit -- the outward evidence of being a Christian -- is love, joy, peace, tolerance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. (Galatians 5:22-23). Can someone please explain to me which of those Christian values applies to kicking an innocent child out of a religious school because her gay aunt adopted her after the tragic death of her father?
I'm 70 years old and a lifelong Christian, and it disgusts me how so many of these self-righteous organizations and their leaders have perverted the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Are they really so under-educated in their own religion that they don't know that Jesus intentionally associated himself with the people of his time those who were looked down upon and hated by the religious hypocrites? The lepers, the Samaritans, the prostitutes, the tax collectors et al. And I bet they can't figure out why because it's a cognitive dissonance that they cannot reconcile with their own haughty arrogance. The people running that school need to read the Bible that they beat that innocent child and her parents over the head with. Shameful.
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Brian Scott Hoff
Then I hold you, and others with opinions similar to yours, responsible for speaking up to the leadership & constituents of Christian organizations that are not living up to your expectations or beliefs. And that you are responsible to do so clearly, without delay, and often until the task is accomplished or you pass away. Posting on a forum is just a tiny fraction of what you & others who believe as you should be doing.
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Ealdormon Piparskeggr Robinson
I have a grandniece named Zoe, so this really tugged at the heartstrings.
She's a lovely young lady and is lucky to have loving parents after that tragedy.
I trust her moms will do what is best for her.
Reads like the "Bible School" could use a visit from the next severe lightning storm.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
They are in Louisiana so hurricanes are not out of the question.
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Sally Jeanne Altobello
I am LIVID that any school anywhere punishes a child for adult decisions...IF you call homosexuality a "decision," which scientifically has been proven it is not. This child lost her parents; an aunt took her in--so what if that aunt is a lesbian? How does that affect ANYone at the school? Man-made rules are not necessarily Christian--at least how I interpret Christianity--the belief in Christ, living the Golden Rule, respecting all people of all colors, races, religious beliefs, LOVING all. But now this child has been branded by a Christian school, no less, that demonstrates hypocrisy.
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Rev Mark D
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Nicholas J Page
Wtf this is 2022 leave gays alone they have done nothing wrong As long as the little girl is happy with her mummies What does it matter? She's too young to know about it.
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James M Slack
To The Baptist Academy, I find your decision for this little girl discussing. I didn’t read that anyone in your academy congregation willing to take this little girl in,(imagine that). The loss of her parents was not her fault. I would have thought the so called academy would have step forward to help her as a true Christian Academy would have. The Heavenly Father I believe in loves everyone no matter their situation. Even a little child as this one who lost her parents. I give all the praise to this child’s Aunt and Wife for stepping up to take her in. As for her aunt and wife that are married God Bless them. As for myself I’m married to a wonderful women , but I’m not condemning her aunt and wife for being lesbians. My wife and I do have a gay grandson. Who by the way is a chief of police in a community and is very well liked. I feel by kicking this little girl out you could have hurt her emotionly and maybe never turn to a church. She too is one of Gods children. Our country has enough problems without this kind of des ions. I’m also glad I have No relatives going to your academy. I believe your Baptist Bible Council should ask themselves “ What Would Jesus Do”. I pray this little girl has a Blessed Life ahead of her and I’m sure Our Heavenly Father won’t throw her to the curb. Again God Bless get Aunt and her Wife. James M Slack
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Johnny Mac
Please re-admit her now. Repent of your sin! GOD bless the child! Amen
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Linda D.L. Valentine
No, this short-term loss will do her no long-term hardship. On the other hand, being in such a toxic environment all day will surely harm her.
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Rev Mark D
Linda: exactly the point I was making in my detailed comment posts.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
It's the actions of Christians like these school officials young adults are observing which is making them turn away from the Christian religion.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
I like to think that many turn away from religion because they recognize it as a non-evidence based worldview that harkens back to when early man sought to explain the world but at the same time was almost totally ignorant of science.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Dr. Zerpersande I would as well... But I think what you will find is young people see the Christian religion as a scam being promoted by white supremacist. One just has to look at many of the "crazy" actions Christians do everyday. Pastors who rape young women and the congregation gives a standing ovation when he apologizes from the pulpit. (Should have been arrested.) The pass crazy "Christian value" laws which is covert for white supremacist. It's only Christians who believe when a women is raped they wanted to be rapped. And it's Christians who believe a women should be forced to give birth and raise a child as a single mom if she became pregnant after being rapped.
But the Christian religion killer right now is how young adults are seeing the wat Christians are treating LGBT+ people. With one out of every 200 people being LGBT+ young people are watching as good people they know are being deaminized by Christians.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry but I dont know where you get that nonsense of 1 out of every 200 being LGBT. According to the last census and yes it DID have a block to check to say if you were LGBTQ, less then 1/10th of 1% responded that they were. do the math this comes out to less then 5 out of every 100,000 respondents. And keep in mind that it IS a federal Felony for you to not reply. So I dont know where you got this nonsense but please give it back.
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Tom
All the census data I've found, as well as polls from other organizations, puts the LGBTQ population in the US around 7-8%
https://news.gallup.com/poll/389792/lgbt-identification-ticks-up.aspx
https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/we-are-here-lgbtq-adult-population-in-united-states-reaches-at-least-20-million-according-to-human-rights-campaign-foundation-report
It's also not a felony to not reply to the census though you can be fined for not doing so: https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/07/a-boycott-of-the-2020-census/
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Those are polls, try looking at medical records and medical research or listen to the people who have. Many people don't know they are intersex. These two women didn't know they were intersex and may change your mind. Give a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vaq4Ij0qmog&ab_channel=TEDxTalks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Ip-STEPKU&ab_channel=TEDxTalks
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Daniel Gray
might help you if you actually went to here https://www.census.gov and checked instead of going to all the other sources that dont have any of the information that the Census Bureau does
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Tom
I did go to the Census Bureau website to look for that data but couldn't find anywhere where they specifically listed a population of persons identifying as LGBTQ. The article from HRC.org does use data from a Census Bureau poll though.
Where did you find the data on the LGBTQ population on the Census website?
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Daniel Gray
seemingly you cant use a search engine as I did a simple search on over/under voters and here is the evidence https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/2020-census-estimates-of-undercount-and-overcount.html now if I can find this out very quickly, then please explain to the readers why you cant locate the LBTQ box on the census and it came up to .6077872243% out of 330 million people. No matter how you look at it, its FAR below 1%
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Brian Scott Hoff
Unless you post the actual site which shows the % of US Citizens that are LGBTQ I'm calling BS of your post. When I go to the census I find data about same sex couples, depression rates for LGBTQ folks, etc.. but nowhere do I see the % of people in the US who are LGBTQ. Link to that data.
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Daniel Gray
I did post the link, so what you are saying is that you cant use a search tab in the US Census website? Good to know.
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Tom
The link you posted is the Census Bureau's estimates of overcount and undercount in the 2020 census. There is literally nothing about LGBTQ population in that link. You're being destroyed, as you would say, by your own "proof" again. Resorting to ad hominem attacks doesn't prove your points, it just makes you a jerk.
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Rev Mark D
Hey Douglas: maybe those who discharged her were actually aware and strong enough to realize that by cutting the tie, they were doing her the biggest favor in the world. You can't credit the two mommies with that decision, can you? Instead, the mommies had made a different, perhaps ultimately very unwise (for the kid) decision in the first place.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Rev Mark D - Have to say I'm not following you. The two MARRIED mommies where just having the kid continue at the same school she had been attending. Don't you think the married mommies made a good decision by not having change schools and loose her friends and her parents?
Why do you think the school officials are non-accepting of two mommies? God made these women this way and many more. I'm sure these two mommies are good people and will provide a good home for her. Why can't the Christian school officials do the same?
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Rev Mark D
Well why don't you think on it a while and maybe it will occur to you.
When you say "The two MARRIED mommies where just having the kid continue at the same school she had been attending..." you fail to appreciate much of the developmental nature of the child as well as the totality of their involvement with their environments and their total effects and functions on the kids.
I did not say "the school officials are not accepting of two mommies." That's your assumption, incorrect, of what I said. What I did say was that the school may have appreciated that two cultures in this particular case were going to incompatibly clash, to the detriment of the kid. After all, they know their school and the community and values that embrace it and that would embrace the kid and the kid's mommies, necessarily because that's the way it is for kids. There are no "silos" of separation for kids when they are developing.
As 35 years as a clinical and developmental psychologist teach me, and perhaps might suggest a little larger perspective on the whole child and the world they live in and grow within, narrow and simplistic views are just unrealistic. You are looking at a whole growing organism (the kid) as you might if you were a horse with blinders...following the analogy, your view and appraisal of their world and functions might differ if you remove your own self-imposed visual obstructions and look again.
So just maybe the school knew something that the mothers didn't, because not having been mothers before, perhaps they were not yet used to thinking and seeing in ways the child lives and needs.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Rev Mark D I think you need to re-read the evidence presented to us.
"Emily and Jennie Parker were shocked to be informed by school administrators informed that their “lifestyle choices” were incompatible with the private Christian school’s values – and that their newly adopted daughter was no longer welcome there. "
So I'll play along. Just exactly what do you think the school officials knew about the married couple lifestyle which school officials thought would be in the best interest in the community and the young child's life for her to be expelled from the school she has been attending, losing her friends and teacher and environment she has known.
Having been a clinical and developmental psychologist for 35 years after a child looses their parents traumatically is it in the best interest of the child and community to minimize the disruption in the child's life?
America culture is we accept everyone and everyone should be treated equally and with respect. I understand the school has religious values, but can you tell me the religious value that a 5 year old who lost their mother and father is better off alone than being raised by a married living couple?
American culture has been a child should not be living on the streets alone if their parents were killed. As clinical and developmental psychologist wouldn't you agree?
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Rev Mark D
"minimize the disruption in the child's life" Yes and no...children adapt well and quickly enough when there is an end to the disruption or the disruption fades off and something else takes its place...when trauma is extended and continued, and the replacing supports aren't there or are distorted or inconsistent with the child's needs is when trouble and distortion comes up and magnifies to stay and become permanent...otherwise the child moves on and returns to the main developmental and normal path.
So no, not in the sense you are pushing toward, no I do not agree. Not even close. An analogy: if your car hits bad bumps and is thrown out of alignment and other things that go with deep potholes at speed, you get the basic damage fixed and drive on, preferably on a better road or in a way that avoids future significant damage. The mommies would have instead diverted her into a neighboring field, not a road, and the damage would have been made worse for being made longer under further driving on a non-drivable surface, or even faster along into more potholes.
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Rev Mark D
Oh, and yes, the driver was killed, and the new driver is probably good, but not much to do well if that (untested) new driver takes the car into more potholes or through some field instead of a decent road or driving very very well through the rest of the potholes.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Rev Mark D I will say nice try, but I'm not following you. A car is an inanimate object. As far as we know cars do not have feelings, memories and can be repaired if damaged.
People have feelings, memories and can be damaged emotionally for a lifetime.
The young girls mother and father can never be replaced like a car can. The two mommies who stepped up to raise this young girl should be commended not vilified by the Christians. I would have expected Christians to help these "instant" mommies not insult them and the young child.
What's wrong with these Christians? Don't they practice WWJD? He certainly would have helped an orphan newly orphaned child.
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Rev Mark D
Doug, please. Yes you are following me, you'd have to be dumber than you would care to admit to not know what I'm talking about, and I think you're smarter than that, and I think you know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm going to extend you the credit, I do think that you are that smart. It really is okay that I thought of it, and it doesn't take anything away from you to go ahead and agree because I think you are that smart. You get it.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Rev Mark D If I were following you I would not be asking. I'm giving you the opportunity to clarify what your were saying. I honestly don't see the relationship between a car driving on a road with potholes and the humans with have feelings and a loving couple wanting who adopted a child having her attend the school she's been attending.
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Pastor George Day
@Douglas Robert Spindler, nowhere in the article does it say the Christian school vilified the two married mothers. It gave them a reason for no longer accepting their adopted daughter. And Rev Mark's example is very pertinent. As a Christian pastor, who is also gay, I fully understand both the Christian school and the hurt of the two mothers - this is really what's at stake (over 20 years in pastoral work with homosexual persons gives me a good understanding - I've seen it all before). I think, in a way, the school may actually have done a favor to the child, as these potholes would continue to damage her developmental journey in that school community. However, I will admit that I would have acted differently, had I been the principal. I would have taken this as an opportunity to educate4 the school on the effects of the fall of Adam, and how we must be welcoming like Jesus was. Nevertheless, Jesus never condoned wrong moral behavior. But he always showed respect and mercy. Again look at John 4 and John 81-11.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Pastor George Day thank you for your work in helping those who are vilified by Christians. As you know one out of every 200 births God causes some sexual difference or someone who is not male or female. This is the world God created and the people God created the people at the schools and the principal of the school use this opportunity to teach parents God creates people who are different. Isn't that what Christianity is all about? Being accepting of people for who they are? And not how you think they should be?
Young people look at this and see just how mean Christians can be. Here God takes the parents of this young girl away and then God provide another young loving couple to provide for the child. That is the teachings of Allah. See how bad this makes Christians look?
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Pastor George Day
@Douglas Robert Spindler, I'm not sure your comment makes much sense, especially given that homosexuality is punishable wit death in most Islamic countries - so not sure at all how Allah fits here! Anyway, to answer your question, Christianity is about salvation in Christ, not about acceptance of different people (not sure where you got that from).
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@Pastor George Day I've been told by Christians they are forgiving of other people's sins. So if Christians are so forgiving why did they kick the girl out of school because of her loving married parents?
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Brian Scott Hoff
Your theory that the school was acting in the girls best, future interest would be more likely had the school provided more of a reply than the small, terse comment they provided. I see no evidence that the school was looking out for the girls best outcome, only that they could not allow a student to have two mommies.
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Reverend Kurt
We had a similar case in Australia where a so called Christian school demanded that parents sign a legal contract stating that they are not gay and that they will not allow their child(ren) exposure to anything homosexual. All schools in Australia get some level of taxpayer funding, ?Christian ? schools more than government schools. It is therefore mandated that the education is of a uniform nationwide standard and the laws of the land be obeyed. This Contract, contravened the anti discrimination act so funding was temporarily ceased. Result was the school is the proud recipient of several law suites,and loss of some students . There was a very public apology and retraction by the school. Perhaps your Baptist Unchristian school could have it's purse cut off too? A heavy lawsuit would not go astray either I would imagine This woke organsation (Baptist Church) is there to get as much of the mighty dollar as it can. It does so by providing the service of education.
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Rev Mark D
Sounds like that school didn't see the light so much as they felt the heat.
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Daniel Gray
This is AMERICAN Law, Australia has nothing to do with this
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
The idiocy of the religiously delusional is what is under discussion.
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Daniel Gray
No YOU'RE idiotic and easily disproved claims is what is under discussion. If you hate religion so much, then tell us, why are you here on a site that is clearly devoted TO religion? Sort of self defeating now isnt it?
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Perhaps you haven’t noticed but I’m not the only person on here that has a ‘less than positive attitude’ toward religion. And I became ‘ordained’ as a lark. More of a statement that allows those that lack belief in the supernatural to perform ceremonies that have always been the right of the ‘religious’.
There IS another type on here though. The believers who, like little kids that want the plastic badge to pretend they are the sheriff, want this piece of paper to make them ‘real’ ministers. When all they are is just a blue collar worker, digging ditches or hauling garbage bc they lacked the intellectual abilities to be able to waste their lives at a bible college.
And the articles? These articles are almost invariably about the idiocy of religious organizations or individuals. Burning books, kicking kids out of schools, allowing coaches to lead prayers, all things that illustrate the stupidity, ignorance and intrusive nature of the poorly educated and their antiquated world view.
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Rev Mark D
Hear Hear, Dr. Zerp.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
@Mark D The religiously delusional members of this site simply don’t notice that nearly all of the articles ridicule the hypocritical behavior of the typical conservative. The articles point out the idiocy of their worldview and these whackjobs cheer because they don’t see that they are the butt of the joke.
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Daniel Gray
perhaps YOU have not noticed that you are being roasted alive with every post you put here and the ones who have a less the positive attitude are the ones who just seemingly cannot understand that this is a religious site, so tell us if you dont like religions then what the heck are you even doing here then? The name of the place here is the Monastery.... that alone should tell you something. So if you have a problem with a religion, and yes Atheism/Humanism IS classified by the SCOTUS as being a religion, then maybe you should stop posting if it bothers you this much?
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Valerie M. Meeuwenberg
Dr zerpersande You are pathetic. Just sad.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
@Meeuwenberg Only a direct ad hom attack with nothing to add to the thread? And not even creative! Short, too. A 3-word sentence strained your abilities and your summation was thus limited to two words.
When you turned to religion was it result of being ridiculed in school? Although your surname likely played a role in such ridicule it was certainly not what started the ridicule. No, it was likely the fact that you were ugly and your mother dressed you funny.
NOTE TO MODERATORS:, You will likely not even allow this to be posted. But if you are going to allow such meaningless drivel as Meeuwenberg’s ad hom attack to pass then you should at least delete it too. Unless her post was allowed as a ‘participation’ trophy’ of sorts used for the cognitively impaired.
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Shango MasterExorcist, D.D.
Maybe it would have bee better for both parents to have stayed alive than to have two mommies. The parents are not alive, so the school should have no opinion. The gay couple are not students at the school, so the school should have no opinion about them.
The two mommies love the child, so will guide her through this obstacle and others. With assistance no doubt from God and Her Angels.
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Rev Mark D
...oh, and also awarded full choice to any parents wishing to pull their kids out of public school to attend such private schools, regardless of location...and the money the state appropriated was taken out of the appropriations for public schools.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Just to be clear, the State refunded the PORTION of the taxes paid that went to public schools, not the entire tuition, right?
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ether_ore
“As a Baptist academy, we are also committed to providing an environment that is consistent with the beliefs that we hold. We want our students to not only know our beliefs, but we want them to see them as well,” the school wrote in a statement on their website”
In other words, the beliefs we hold are so weak and can stand up to so little scrutiny that we don’t want to have any one attend who is not getting the same indoctrination at home.
It’s rare that Christians are that honest!
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Herbert William Kleinfeld
It sounds cold and calloused but, their school, their rules. If you disagree with the rules, don't exacerbate the point. You simply don't fit in with that group. Go someplace else.
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Amy Varela
All this action proves is that christians either don't understand what Jesus taught or they don't care.
Just another reason to very long list of reasons I despise this breed of christian. They claim to be holier than everyone when they are really just rude, obnoxious, evil jerks.
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Rev Mark D
Amy, yes that's pretty much it.
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Catherine Christina Deslippe
Love is Love, Love is kind and God would truly be ashamed for us to even call this school a Christian School.
The blessings of this young child have two loving parents is wonderful in everyway. I do not feel that who our parents are, who they love or what they do should have any impact on our children. God loves all, forgives all, why did his son die on the cross? To forgive us of our sins.
I feel that this young girl will need to go through councilling, that the school should take action towards those who are involved. Love is beautiful and my message to the parents of this young girl, keep up the great work. Keep loving her and taching about God, this is not at the hands of God but that of a person who needs to learn what love means.
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Paul the RV Nomad
Different private schools indoctrinate children in what their values are. I personally do not feel that there should be any private schools in our country, and that the public schools should be funded properly and should have qualified teachers that teach what is required to be a contributing person to society. This child is better not in this school that teaches hate based upon who you are.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Ah ... from Christ's teachings of love and compassion comes this. The bible says nothing about shunning a child adopted by lesbians, but, I hope this school doesn't have any women teachers ... cause that is in the old testament says that women are not to teach males.
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Pastor George Day
@Matthew Mastrogiovanni:
1) The bible gives no specific guidelines on this kind of situation but does say that we must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral and we should not even eat with them - 1 Corinthians 5:11
2) Your quotation on the fact that women should not preach men is NOT from the Old Testament but from Paul (1 Corinthians 14:34). The context of this passage is to be understood in that of a messy church, with no order at all, where women were in the habit of gossiping at church, and huge dinner parties were enjoyed before communion services. Nothing to do with the role of women in the church. The same author of the letters to the Corinthians, Paul, also approves of and praises the ministry of women leaders, like deaconess Phoebe and church leader Priscilla in other parts of the New Testament. Hence, the balance would be that women leaders are OK, as long as they behave :-)_... just like men!
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Brian Scott Hoff
While the school's choice is ridiculous and just one more shining example of the harm religion actually causes it is actually good that the girl no longer has to be brainwashed into the cult of weird morality. If the parents are paying attention then this can be the magic moment where this girl's future no longer has to go down the path of ideas from 2000+ years ago when iron aged, barely literate people decided that writing down the scriptures was the best'est they would ever get at describing how the universe worked. This girl has the chance to avoid mingling these strange customs & ideas into her journey. Good luck, young lady. I am very sorry that you've had to experience such loss as the passing of your Mom & Dad. This recent experience likely hurts as well but I am very hopeful you might eventually see how much better your life can be by avoiding the teachings that do more harm than good to our society.
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Rev Mark D
Well it is just pretty darn horrible is about all I can say, but on the other hand, as the two mothers mentioned, the girl is going to be so much better off because of the switch. And if the ladies want to continue with a Christian education school, there would be far far far far far far far far better off with something along the lines of United Methodist or UCC or Episcopal... In my experience, each of the three having some of their own distinctions, all together are some of the most decent wonderful people to be part of and they understand the value of Christianity when you do it right.
And who knows, maybe being put out of that school might well have been in her best interest and maybe the people who discharged her actually maybe did have that in mind as well. If you think about it, the decision that the religious school made will turn out to have been perhaps the best thing they could have done for her, just think about it a bit. And if you do look at it that way, maybe the decision was actually a pretty good one and has its good wisdom too.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
The LBGTQ community needs to remove themselves and their donations from the Christian church.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
EVERYBODY needs to do that.
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Rev Mark D
Sounds like "separate but equal."
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
You misunderstood me. I’m saying that everyone needs to remove themselves from religious schools. These people are swimming in a cesspool of ignorance gullibility.
Associations with religious people should be limited to those that keep their dirty little secret to themselves. It’s similar to someone with a fetish involving baby urine, cow manure, a wooden spoon and duct tape. Wash well before interacting with society and don’t discuss it with others. Others you would be shunned.
It worked well with racists. Well, until they banded together to elect a moron as president.
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Rev Mark D
Sure, Zerp. Doing what you advise is what condemned countless children to unspeakable horrible hopeless abuse in the name of looking the other way. Your madness speaks for itself.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
I’m not talking about turning a blind eye to abuse. I’m talking about the first amendment, specifically religious freedom. People can have their religious beliefs but they should keep those beliefs to themselves. If they bring them up normal everyday conversation they should be challenged and shunned. This is how racism was treated, (as in attempting to ‘cure’), from the 60s.
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Rev Mark D
OK Zerp, you explained that much better and now I understand what you mean...and fully agree.
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Rev Mark D
Matthew: Yes, but thinking about it, does that also not sound a bit like "separate but equal?"
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Daniel Gray
They already have and it hasnt hurt the Churches one bit, so now what are you going to do?
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
The number of people with religious beliefs is decreasing. It’s something called a fact.
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Daniel Gray
Its called a lie. we have 7 billion on this planet right now, and we have well over 6 billion that believe in a religion of some sort. So you really should stop with your nonsense and your easily disproved claims.
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Tom
You've been provided numerous articles and studies in the past detailing the decline in religious practice.
Here's another one just for good measure that shows less than half of Americans attend a house of worship now: https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-below-majority-first-time.aspx
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
You’re tilting at windmills in attempting to present facts to OI Gray. I’ve tried several times to explain that I don’t ‘actively disbelieve’ in his deity so much as lack any belief in his claim that there is a Mr. Magic in the sky and that it is his responsibility to prove his claim. Burden of proof is one he making the claim. Deaf ears.
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Daniel Gray
thats right as I post in fact and reality and you?....not so much if ever
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Daniel Gray
And you have been shown multiple links proving that you dont know what you are talking about, but hey if you still want to continue to prove this to ever other person in the thread that you dont know what you are talking about, then please continue.
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Tom
No, you're the one who has been shown multiple links proving that you don't know what you're talking about. Every link you provide is either irrelevant to the discussion or it doesn't say what you claim it does.
I'm happy to continue proving to the people in this thread that I'm being the rational one who can back up my claims with evidence. You've proven to everyone the opposite.
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Daniel Gray
false flag argument as I have provided links to document what I have said, you on the other hand call name and try and use smoke and mirrors to hope you can convince what you say has a shred of truth in it and fail every time
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Tom
You're projecting, Daniel. You literally just described how you interact with people on these blogs.
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Rev Mark D
Zerp: I would say to you probably not on that, but I include what Eric Hoffer would term "True Believers" among those with "religious beliefs." I think there is a whole lot more of them these days, and most of them would also qualify under the term "religious extremists and wackos."
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Pastor George Day
@Matthew Mastrogiovanni, how about LGBT-friendly churches and Metropolitan Community Church.... Should LGTBQ+ people withdraw their funds from them too?
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Daniel Gray
Its a private school and they can make their own rules. SCOTUS has already ruled as much way back in the 90's so it makes no difference if you like it or dont, they dont have to abide by anything but their own rules.
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Rev Mark D
Daniel: yes but of course your point is really out there in the stars. So what?
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Daniel Gray
My point is factual and legal. let us know when you comeback from the candyland you are in now.
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Rev Mark D
Daniel: what I was telling doctors Earp about Eric hoffer's True Believers... You are one. You know how I can tell? Because all you know is to talk in absolutes. After that you resort to juvenile name calling. "Deal with it?" That's what a 6 year old says. How did you even get here? Oh I remember you paid 15 bucks.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
@Mark D I’m certified through this site but am on here for free. I’m guessing the $15 is for a certificate or card? If so I can see how Gray wanted one. It’s his little plastic police badge. Probably has the cleric’s collar/shirt so he can wear it to his Sunday ComiCon meetings.
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Daniel Gray
And what you say only applies to you. What I have been saying is what US LAW says and what grabs your gonads is you cant refute me in any way and you just cant stand it. So please keep going off on a tantrum like your post above shows and I will keep quoting the law and showing how foolish you actually are. So I am ready for the next round whenever you are. And no I didnt pay anything so why you have to make up fantasies I dont know.
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Brian Scott Hoff
This is my last reply to anything you say. It's rather pointless. You've chosen not to use the brain inside your head. I'm sure your church appreciates that a great deal. The school obviously has the legal right to do what it did. Nowhere in the article do I read anything about being illegal. Everyone has the right to have an opinion about it. Everyone. You, me, everyone. You obviously like the school's actions. When you explain why it was good your logic flies out the window. You have the right to be that stupid and to say it. The rest of us with other opinions have the same, equal right to state why the school's choices were unethical, unreasonable, and down right cruel. And we have the same right as you to post those comments. That's how it works. No one said the school did something illegal. They did something unethical.
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Daniel Gray
This is your last reply because you have yet to prove anything I have said was illegal or anything else, all you have proved is your opinion and that does not matter a hill of beans in a courtroom or in a private school. And how can it be unethical when its clearly in the contract that the parents signed when they placed the child in the school? Oh wait that 9000 ton gorilla is completely destroying your claim and post. It would be far better for you to reply with factual data instead of your opinions.
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Tom
This discussion isn't about the legality of this school's actions. It's a discussion about whether they should have done this or not.
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Rev Mark D
Tom: it's your website to dictate what people can discuss, is it?
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Tom
I never said it was my website. I simply don't see the point in telling everyone that "this is legal and if you don't like it shove off" when that's not the discussion being had.
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Rev Mark D
Amounts to the same thing..."talk about this, not that."
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Daniel Gray
Again its a private school and since its private they can make the decisions on their own no matter who likes them or not. Do I like it? Absolutely not, the child has been through enough and this is only piling on. Can I do anything about it? Nope not unless I have a child in the school and am paying the tuition for her or him. So why does or is it causing people here to get all bent out of shape as all thats going to do is give you ulcers since you cant do anything about it.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
It’s a step toward the best attitude toward the right of freedom of religion afforded to the religiously delusional portion of the population. Allow them to have that freedom but fight against the stupidity that religion represents. Laws should be passed removing all tax-free benefits from churches, including any such tax-free benefits religious schools receive.
In short, this article puts religious stupidity in the spotlight. Keep it in the spotlight and make sure everybody sees its ugliness.
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Daniel Gray
No the delusional one is you. You CANT pass any laws that tax a religion or church or religious school as that would violate the 1st Amendment and you know it. so your hatred and ranting is just that and is not based on law or fact or reality or the Constitution. Deal with it
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Well, I can’t pass any laws but Congress could. Firstly, amendments can, and have, been repealed. Check out what the 18th amendment was about. It’s GONE!
Second, I did NOT SAY that I wanted to repeal the 1st amendment. Taxing religious organizations would not violate your right to believe in your Bronze Age Abrahamic deity. Or any other deity. It would not prevent anyone from giving money to the churches. All that would have to happen is some changes to how IRC Section 501(c)(3) is interpreted. And that would be much easier than changing the 1st amendment.
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Daniel Gray
never said they couldnt overturn an Amendment and no Congress did no such thing, it was a constitutional amendment that went through and overturned the 18th as you claim. Congress nor the President nor the SCOTUS have any right to just remove parts of the constitution they dont like. And if you think they do then you failed history and school as well. so now we know why you throw insults because you have nothing to stand on. Right Carl?
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
You stated “Congress nor the President nor the SCOTUS have any right to just remove parts of the constitution they dont like.”
You got two out of three right! Congrats. But Congress can, and has, changed the constitution. Requires a 2/3 vote to approve a new amendment. And they CAN do it whenever the frick they want to. In fact, the only time they passed a new amendment in my lifetime was when Congress WANTED to raise their salaries but were prevented doing so by the constitution. So they passed an amendment to get around it.
However, I personally have no desire to see the freedom to worship repealed. And it isn’t the constitution that provides the tax free status, but the IRS. So Congress doesn’t need to pass another amendment to replace the 1st amendment, just change the tax code
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Daniel Gray
Congress has NEVER changed the Constitution without a constitutional amendment and if you look in the Library of Congress EACH AND EVERY ONE of the amendments from the 11th on has been put there by a constitutional amendment. You are correct that it says it can be done, where you are INCORRECT is that it has ever been done and it hasnt. And Congress does not need to change the constitution to raise their pay, all they need do is vote for it and if they get enough votes, it happens. And sorry for a third time but if a religions teachings requires it to give to the poor and the IRS taxes it thus stopping it from giving to the poor then yes it IS a violation of the 1st Amendment, or are you going to say the SCOTUS in the Newdow decisions are wrong because you say so? So yes the Congress WOULD need an amendment to repeal the 1st as to do it any other way would be ruled illegal and unconstitutional before the ink was dry
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Amy Varela
Daniel, if a religion was taxed, their charitable contributions would be tax deductible, just like any other tax payer's. The part that would be taxed in all the money they bring in that is NOT donated.
Also, ever since some evangelicals have been telling their congregants to vote a certain way, they have put themselves out of tax exempt status. Its not just the government who cannot tell people what nonsense to believe. It's also the churches who cannot tell people for whom to vote.
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Daniel Gray
And? how exactly are you goi9ng to do this without mucking about with their 1st Amendment rights that the Court has upheld just recently saying that the Government CANNOT do anything to interfere with a Religions teachings nor their charities? And as for churches not telling people how to vote, then you better tell the Democrats to stop having campaign rallies and meetings in Baptist churches as that WOULD effect their tax free status.
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Rev Mark D
Amy, I just love your tax reasoning, very Crisp and very illuminating and very much to the point. Just never know what these conversations are going to turn up, and you have given us a diamond. Somehow I suspect you must have the mind of an actuary.
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Rev Mark D
My state just passed a law and appropriation awarding state dollars to private religious schools.
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Rev Mark D
...oh, and also awarded full choice to any parents wishing to pull their kids out of public school to attend such private schools, regardless of location...and the money the state appropriated was taken out of the appropriations for public schools.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Well, your state is one of the 39 required to bypass Congress and add a new amendment to the Constitution to make xtianity the official ‘delusion’ of the USA.
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Rev Mark D
Guess I will have to forgive them, for they know not what they do.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
The first I voted was over 20 years after I was eligible and then it was to vote AGAINST the racist, religiously delusional Jesse Helms in NC. In fact a major factor to my expatriating from the US was the proud ignorance of NC rednecks.
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Rev Mark D
Hey man don't think I haven't been thinking about doing the same here in Iowa, I watched a turn from the most welcoming educationally advanced state in the Union in the '60s, (including a state constitution that makes the Federal Constitution look positively bovine) to one of the most bigoted, statistically poorly educated backward-minded States now, in a parent attempt to turn us into Alabama or Mississippi or Florida. So I'm curious, pray tell, where did you off to? Wifey and I might just want to go there.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Japan. Bern here 30 years. Politicians do NOT discuss their religious views. The xtians still ring your doorbell now and then but therevis something LESS DEMANDING in their desire to tell you about the magical Jewish zombie.
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arawngraalrd
Can we demand the school soften its stance on Gays? I don't recall any biblical prohibition of Lesbians but, if the school doesn't want to teach tolerance for such, what are they to teach a little girl? What is this example to teach other little children, who're expected to grow up and make more students?
I'd like to establish a school around the redemption of teen mothers, but would prefer a free hand.
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Cj
So wrong! If you call yourself a Christian then act like one. This is Not Christian behavior and neither are the people who did this to this child!
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Rev Mark D
Joanne, think about it... Would you return this girl to the custody tutelage education and indoctrination of these very same people then at the school? They would turn her into one of them, of course. Including inculating their beliefs about the mothers and the mothers' kind. But that seems to be what follows when you say the church school did a bad thing to her by kicking her out. Sounds like keeping her in the school would lead to ripping up the family, ultimately...think about it. They would have to start turning her into somebody who feels the school's way about her own parents. Is that something you really want for her and to have a lifelong heavily instilled value? You want her to hate her own parents?
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Don Richmond
Leave the girl alone, we're not supposed to judge, she's going to a private reglious school, that's a good thing.
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Cj
So wrong! If you call yourself a Christian then act like one!!!These people are not Christians!!Shame on them!!!
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Cj
So wrong! If you call yourself a Christian then act like one!!!These people are not Christians!!Shame on them!!!
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Don Richmond
Just stop, leave the girl and her family alone, she's being sent to a reglious school, that's a good thing-
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Norton J Wilder Jr
Although I, uphold and firmly agree that a marriage only pertains to a man and women and relationships between two parties of the same gender are an abomination to God. I don’t agree or condone the actions taken by any religious organization to punish an innocent party for the transgressions of others. I believe the organization could have been more compassionate and utilized more discretion in a Christ like manner in handling the situation. Not foregoing that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and, who of any of us in the body are to determined and judge what sin is greater than that of another. I believe that the organization in question has unfairly committed a great injustice upon an innocent victim who will carry this burden for quite sometime. We must acknowledge first in our heart’s, Jesus was also a victim who took on the cross that we might have everlasting life, giving up the ghost not for himself but for a people he loved. Sincerely,
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Thomas William Cornfield
Well I think you should pray for the people who run that school not condem them as so many here have.and please tell me the bible pasages that agree with LBGT way i would be interrested in those , and please dont spew that we love and forgive!! millions have died because of the name of Jesus bin Joeph. as well as moslems and all religions,Well Judge not or ye shall be judge Lord bless your day
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Brent Clinton Summers
Love on another. I guess I missed the part where it says “except”. I did look in a few different Bibles and still don’t see it. Didn’t Jesus mention that we are not to judge, God has that power. With this school I’m just not feeling the “Christion Love”.
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Jeremy Todd Staples
That is not the, “way”, nor is it wwJd. If the school’s values are expelling a child to uphold its values because they don’t agree with homosexuality and believe it to be sin. Then they should just close the whole so dish because everyone sins. It is not ok to pick and choose which sin is acceptable to allow or not allow. We’re so fall short of His glory.
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Gregory SG
Well it says it at the bottom of this page I believe. But there are many sides to this. You could say if they cared for the children they would let them in to show them what they think are the error’s of the new parents ways. Or you could say they should be stoned in public square as was and still is in some countries. I think the love for the child is what matters and they seem to have found a better place to suite those needs in this instance.
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Darrell Hebert
As usual, the comments on this "Story" and from the garden variety God haters and America Haters. A Christian school wants families in it that align with a... Christian school. A baker that is a Christian does not want to make a cake that is contrary to the Christian faith. These people will feel right at home in a public school. Private schools are booming due to the leftist ideologies they are pushing instead of just teaching reading, arithmetic etc.
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Marcus Gibbs
This is unacceptable we should be open to anyone that is open to believe, the fact that she was a child is a disgrace they are innocent they are only shown hatred we as leaders or even older generations need to accept the changes of this worlds and embrace them and show that everyone can see the power of togetherness let’s be role models for the next few generations show them the way before it’s too late
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Marcus Gibbs
This is so wrong as leaders we should embrace the new ways and move forward children are innocent in the eyes of the lord and as Christian’s we should be of acceptance of all people no matter what only god can judge who are we but ones that carry his words
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Marijane Grassie
I am not to judge. If you have a male and female as head of household, does this guarantee a happy loving home? No. This home has love and guidance, why would you want to break this family up.
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Rev Mark D
Margin it is not clear who you were talking to. I'm with Sally on this, I just don't think you're outrageous going to make much of a difference. The the school itself made the best decision possible in light of what is best for the girl, even if they didn't intend to and even if people don't want to give them backhanded or secondhand credit for doing so, but in fact, the best thing for the child is exactly what they did.. turn her back to the parents and take her out of the "school family." Keeping her in the school was not a match made in heaven, and I've said before, was actually the result of a naive and not well thought through reasoning by new, and experienced parents. Put it down to God working in mysterious ways, but I think the school should be actually thanked for what they did, even though they didn't do it for reasons that a lot of people hear would like to give them positive credit for. It's the outcome I'm interested in, and it's all to the good just as it is.
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Thomas A. Follis
It is a “PRIVATE” Christian School
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Lumina
I do not believe this school believes in Jesus, because I do not believe he would have kicked alittle girl out.
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Lumina
I do not believe this school believes in Jesus, because I do not believe he would have kicked alittle girl out.
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Chris Harrison Decker
The Bible says man not lay with another man. A woman shall not lay with another woman.
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Patricia A Jennings
Such ridiculousness is why the world is screwed up because people don’t get what Christ was all about. The world is jacked up mainly because Christians or The Church is off course. How will they know better by pushing them or a child away!MINISTER IN LOVE!
I don’t recall the bible mentioning anything about kicking a little kid out of school because she has two mommies. Still, I’d say she’d be better off going to public school, anyway, than a “Baptist Bible Academy”.
I agree with Rev. Starns; religious places of religions indoctrination shouldn’t be allowed to abuse little kiddies — just because their parents were similarly religiously-indoctrinated when they were little kiddies.
Indoctrinating little kiddies is still allowed in the USA — which is the only explanation as to why so many Americans continue to believe (or, at least pretend to believe) the medieval religious nonsense forced on the the little kiddies in religious places of religious indoctrination.
All little kiddies should to be taught about how to behave, is by teaching them the “Golden Rule” — rather than to be good because an absurd “eye in the sky” (AKA, God) is always watching them and reading their minds (which results in all sorts of mental conditions).
Dus: Yep. I've heard it said that all the evil we have done was because a child (children) were mistreated.
Really, people are not being realistic about the whole article. The golden rule comes from the bible and children grow up participating in their families beliefs and values their whole lives, whether those beliefs be religious or political or in any other form and yes the sins of the parents are visited upon the children quite often. It is unfortunate what has happened to this child. But now what values and beliefs will be taught to this child and are those going to be right or wrong. And as far as proof or evidence of God's existence, nobody can prove he doesn't exist either. I would rather believe he does.
It’s not a matter of atheists proving Mr. Magic’s non-existence. I’m not saying that such doesn’t exist. Theists came up with the idea of a deity, theists have the burden of proof. For which none exists. Just because billions of people believe something doesn’t make it true. These people believe because they were taught to believe. And they generally believe the ‘local god’, the one mommy and daddy told them about.
As for your desire to believe, go at it. But you should keep your delusions regarding Bronze Age deities to yourself.
Thank you, @Valerie M. Meeuwenberg. Your comment makes a lot of sense. However, if I were the principal of that private school, I would not have discriminated against the child. I would have taken that as an opportunity to teach the other children in the classroom a practical example of the consequences of original sin, and to tell them to act the way Jesus did in John 4 and John 81-11.
Dus: Yep. I've heard it said that all the evil we have done was because a child (children) were mistreated.
And you call teaching children that there are more then 2 sexes or that one race is to blame for all the worlds ills and that isnt indoctrination? Same as trying to tell them that there is no God when you have as much proof as there not being a Deity then the ones who believe in a deity have in proving one exists. I would have to say that the ones who are doing the indoctrination are people like you
Although there are some atheists that state an active disbelief in deities, it’s my opinion that most simply lack any belief that such exists. The proposition simply lacks any credible evidence whatsoever. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim and this situation should not be new to you. It isn’t simply an integral part of science but it extends into just and fair legal systems all over the world.
And its the over 6 billion people world wide that say that you have no credible evidence that any deity does not exist, so whats your point?
Are you simply being obtuse? Once again, I’m saying that I do not accept YOUR PROPOSITION that a creative deity exists because you have simply made a claim without providing any proof.
I am NOT saying that your deity does not exist. I’m saying that you have no evidence for such. I’m saying that your belief is based on word of mouth and things written by a group of people 400+ years ago that couldn’t even explain where the sun went at night.
To date all of the evidence presented that there is a God or deities has been faked, found to have another explanation, not credible or a hoax. Since over the centuries has shown what is written in the Bible is wrong. And it was the Belgium Priest who figured out there was a Primordial Atom or Big Bang in the begging. But then God got the order of creation wrong in the Bible for days 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. And with the James Webb telescope we are able to look back in time and see moments after when the universe was created.
Young kids get all of the flaws/lies with the Christian religion which is why they think it's dope (stupid).
Nope its clear the one who is being obtuse is the one who looks back at you from your morning mirror you do know that google is your friend, but then again you have shown you cant use a search engine
And I am saying that you dont have any proof that any deity does not exist but nice try at smoke and mirrors
And I’m telling you that the person making the claim is the one that needs to provide the proof. I am not making a claim, only saying I don’t believe yours.
And I have already provided the proof, since you are the one disputing it then YOU are the one that need to show where its wrong, IF you can.
You have proved the existence of your Bronze Age deity? The entire world should know your name then. How did I miss the ‘proof’?
No I have provided proof that you dont know what you are talking about. You are claiming that there isnt a deity, and yet you are providing nothing to back you up with. And again if you are so anti religious, then what are you doing on a religious site?
Rules. The 'parents' should have understood the rules of the school before THE PARENTS upset the childs life. Todays society is always trying to break rules and place blame on others. Rules and regulations are asocieties foundation. That's why ours is breaking down. The 10 COMMANDMENTS aren't suggestions.
I've been trying to say this to folks all along, Vicky, these are new parents without prior training being parents (most likely) and don't yet have the hang of understanding the subtleties of what doing the right thing is and what is the best interest of the child really. This is going to turn out for the best, no credit to the two parents, but that will eventually be what happens.
The problem is that the biological parents were the ones that enrolled her in that bass-ackwards school. The adoptive parents, perhaps in order not to disrupt the child’s life further, or because they also believe in those Bronze Age delusions, simply chose to continue on the same course.
Other than that I agree with you. But is there really a clause in the agreement that states ‘If you, as the parents, die then you can’t have your daughter adopted by gays.’?
When I said new (inexperienced naive) parents, I didn't mean the biological parents. I meant the two mommies. No place for a child.
@Mark Agree with you on not being a place for a child. I was responding to Vicki stating that the ‘new parents’ should have read the rules. Maybe so. If I had been the adoptive parent taking the child out of a religious school would have been an absolute.
Daniel... where in this story was there mention of somebody deciding how many genders there are? Or that white folks are to blame for all ills? Why did you drag unrelated topics into this? What is the purpose of doing that? To avoid having to defend what this school / religion did to this family? Or, is there another reason?
Really? Are you trying to claim that you have not read where people who now find it offensive to say there are male and female genders and thats it, are now trying to claim there are 72 DIFFERENT genders? Since when did male and female morph into this stupidity?
72 different genders? That one is news to me, I'd like to see that list. Daniel do you know where one can find a source on that?
He doesn't have one. He just makes things up all the time to fit whatever narrative he believes, facts be damned.
I agree with Reverend Starns.