A Massachusetts couple with strong Catholic faith say they’re being religiously discriminated against after they were denied a foster parent application over their anti-LGBTQ views.
Now they’re suing The Massachusetts Department of Children and Families (DCF), arguing that their First Amendment rights were violated, and hoping to get the ruling for them - and anyone else in their situation - overturned.
Application Denied
Michael and Catherine “Kitty” Burke initially applied to foster or adopt in January 2022, a process which typically involves a lengthy training session and numerous interviews with social workers to determine a potential adoptive parent’s eligibility.
Their complaint describes them as “a loving couple who want to welcome children into their family” who chose adoption “after experiencing the heartbreak of infertility.”
However, the DCF ultimately rejected their application, with one social worker finding them to be “lovely people” but nevertheless unfit for adoption because “their faith is not supportive and neither are they.”
Reportedly, the primary issue at hand is that the Burkes hold strong Catholic values, including on gender and sexuality.
Per the report, a social worker asked the Burkes how they would feel if their adoptive child identified as LGBTQ, to which Kitty Burke responded “let’s take the T out of it.”
She also likened gender-affirming care to “chemical castration” and said that she would need her child to live a life of chastity if they identified as LGBTQ.
Both prospective parents were also reportedly uncomfortable using a transgender person’s preferred pronouns.
Lack of LGBTQ Affirmation
However, the couple insisted that they wouldn’t kick an LGBTQ child out of their home, and would likely attend their wedding should they choose to get married.
Nevertheless, their application was denied, with one reason: They “would not be affirming to a child who identified as LGBTQIA.”
The Burkes say that they have pretty standard Catholic views on gender and sexuality, and that there’s no reason their application should have been denied over such commonplace views. And they insist they will still love their child, even if they don’t agree with their LGBTQ identity.
“[The Burkes] believe that children should not undergo procedures that attempt to change their God-given sex, and they uphold Catholic beliefs about marriage and sexuality,” their legal complaint reads. But, “as faithful Catholics, they believe that all children should be loved and supported, and they would never reject a child placed in their home.”
A Familiar Ring
So, what does the law say on the issue of adoption discrimination?
Interestingly, Christian adoption agencies have repeatedly drawn scrutiny for discriminating against non-Christian or gay couples hoping to adopt or foster.
Some states allow Christian adoption agencies to refuse adoption or fostering to non-Christian or LGBTQ couples, many of which are partially funded by taxpayer money.
Despite numerous legal challenges, those organizations have largely been successful in continuing operations as intended, using taxpayer funds to place children with straight, Christian parents, all under the umbrella of religious liberty.
As the CEO of one of those adoption agencies said at the time, “forcing [us] to violate our beliefs and place children in homes that do not share our faith is wrong and contrary to a free society."
Now, it would seem that the shoe is on the other foot.
If the state says that it's in children's best interest to have parents who would be affirming of their LGBTQ identities, is it discrimination to deny adoption to parents who won't commit to that?
Supporters of the policy note that religious adoption agencies can deny a couple simply for being gay and continue to receive public funding. Why should it be any different when the sides are flipped? they ask.
What do you think? Should the Burke family’s adoption application have been denied? Was it religious discrimination, or is the agency simply looking out for the best interest of its children?
187 comments
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Kristi Jean Clouse
They should adopt children that are not found issued to their Catholic strategy. How rude.
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Drew Preston Hausfeld
Sticking to the issues at hand and not trying to mire myself in all the denigrating speech that I'm finding on here - we are supposed to be more loving and temperance, yes - and the laws governing other choices like legal ages for driving, voting ,alcohol and tobacco uses; I'm going to stick to the children's point of view as well as the adopters.
We can go for years - we have - on the hypocrisy of this that ant the other till the sun doesn't shine but that doesn't put one's self in another's shoes. That right there, that goes against Jesus teachings of treating others as we would have others treat us. So in doing so one needs to understand that certain children who feel a certain way (those who feel they were born of the wrong sex) need to be heard. Just like you and me they need to be accepted for who they are and they need to learn to grow in their own minds, regardless if they're in a man's body or a woman's body. Just as a heterosexual Christian male/female needs validation to who they are within God; so too does the trans individual, to them the world makes less sense because the social norms press them to go against who they feel they are and we're made to be. Children need to be in an enriching environment in which they can learn to live in and navigate the way through the world as they grow to an adult. They also need guidance and to be introduced properly to the Creator and shown that the Creator loves them as we are all God's children.
Institutions whether religious or state ran need to start taking these things into consideration if they have not already. This will help the child grow into a well-rounded individual who isn't a burden on society in any way shape or form. Now if the state has children who identify as a certain way and then know that a doctor's do not believe that way and there are certain red flags that show up, then they have the right to decide where that child fits best for fulfilling life. Additionally, us believers do not need to become "Karens" and grasp for our pearls and cry foul at any time that we don't fit into what's best for other people's needs. We don't fit into people's needs and that's the point, Jesus does. Religion and the religious spirit has destroyed and denigrated the righteous name of Christianity or what it should be. The dictionary definition of Christianity is to be "Christ-like". Now ask yourself how Christ-like are you on a daily basis, I cannot call myself a Christian because of that. I am not like Christ, I fall short all the time because I'm a human being. But I accept my failures and I asked God and Jesus for forgiveness for all my sins, I sin no more when I realize the injustices my actions bring to others and I try not to repeat those things, that's true repentance. We as a people don't understand that; it's wash, rinse and repeat for us.
Personally if I had a child who identified as such, I would accept them for them. The only thing I would ask them, since surgery a lot of times is not easily undone, is that they go through the first 18 years of their life until they are legally responsible for themselves as they're assigned birth sex. That does not mean that they have to be heterosexual, if they are fine, if not fine. If I had a kid who identified as anything but heterosexual I would be fine with it, because that's my child. I would still fight tooth and nail for that child; I would still lay down my life for that child; I would still teach that child and instill in that child the ways of God, morals, ethics and how to treat others. I don't care what they're doing in the bedroom as long as they're not sleeping around immorally, that's a sin. Anything less on my part would be a sin of judgment, and that's not what we're here to do we're here to love.
Jesus is tough on us if we turn our back on God and condemn God, and He should be. We need to look at this life as a gift. The meaning of life is to live it, and live it well; by doing this we let God's glory shine. But of course too, haters going to hate. And there's a special place for that in the darkness where there is gnashing of teeth, and at the end of days those who are in the darkness will be thrown with all the rest of the wicked into the fire. And to those of the rest of us who at the end of days will see Jesus and come to him and say we've done great things in Your name Lord let us in, he will say "depart from Me because I never knew you"; I don't know about you, but I don't want my Savior to tell me to depart from Him, that's why I'm sticking to love.
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Drew Preston Hausfeld
The young mind needs to be nurtured until an adult then they can decide to change things so to speak, even then I'd be their loving supportive parent as that's what God models for us. And our society has determined an age of consent for all things so I'm sticking to 18.
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Drew Preston Hausfeld
*we are supposed to be more loving and temperant, yes
*We can go for years - we have - on the hypocrisy of this, that and the other till the sun doesn't shine
*Now if the state has children who identify as a certain way and then know that adopters do not believe
Can't call myself a Christian but am a follower of The Way/The Word/Jesus.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Decent well written response. Thank you. But you won't get through to this guy. He's a plant. Only to agitate and spread his own bigotry by never showing respect for anyone else's faith or opinions.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Are you okay?
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Mark Stefan Blue Sr
Remember the Rainbow was and is a sign from God that he would not destroy the Earth by water again, NOT for the Gays to use for their sick perversions.
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Mark Stefan Blue Sr
I hope they win. It clearly states in the bible that gays are against the Laws of God, so because they want to adopt, it's not the agency's place to judge, just because the couple have strong Religious beliefs.
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Tim Williams
Judgment is not for us, it is in Gods hands alone to judge our sins, we are allowed discernment not judgement. Homosexuality is a sin and we should be taught to love the sinner even when we despise the sin. And we are all sinners, we will all be judged and we will all be found lacking when compared to Christ. It is very clear in all documentation of the Bible to the earliest that this is fact.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Amen Tim. I can respect the alphabet community when they don't shove it down my throat. The real thing is the normal gay community has not spoken out enough of the transgender takeover. Many have spoken out just as many never approved of the government granting them marriage. Many prefer to live quiet normal lives, not this crazy clown group that has taken over.
You respect the sinner and condemn the sin. And you don't let the practicing sinner into the community until they truly show repentance and remorse. Because one bad apple will rot the whole barrel. I know many gay people who do not practice that life style. I know priests who do not practice it. The pediphiles were individuals who themselves were traumatized with rape . Many overcame it and never succumbed to becoming abusers and never revealed what they were. They came to terms with it and evolved. Many fell into the same quagmire of becoming abusers.
Those who are straight who are womanizer are no different. We are all sinners and we have the power to overcome temptation or fall into its satanic influence. I even know gay couples who truly love each other as friends and do not practice the sinful act. They live together as room mates and enjoy each others companionship. We never judge or assume until it exposes itself. Sin eventually does expose itself if being practiced. An embezzeler or bank robber will eventually expose themselves blowing the money in extravagant purchases.
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Julie Armstrong
Yes! They should win. I and sick and tired of having this issue being pushed down our throats! It's still AMERICA we still have FREEDOMS, until Biden strips all that away and we become like China. Not everyone wants to have LBGTAQBLAH BLAH shoved down out throats. Having good morals and values don't make them bad parents. My take on all this is... you identify as a horse you belong on a farm NOT in school. We need to take back our children not let Schools and Tic Tok encourage them to be mentally ill. That's what all these people are mentally ill. It's SATAN walking the Earth and getting followers. Everytime this happens GOD wins in the end.
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Michael Hunt
It's good morals to hate gay people? You can shove your Christian beliefs down other people's throats and claim you're justified but the LGBTQ+ community asks to be allowed to exist in public and you flip out claiming they're shoving something down your throat? You actually think Biden wants to turn America into China?
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
What a breath of fresh air and moral judgment. Thank you. I agree with everything you have said but bewarebyiu will be bashed. This organization I think has become an arm of the left as well from its own censorship and they don't censor the ones who call religious institutions bigoted and hateful. So.many in here are so leftist I thinkbthqy are just plants or those little dwarfs that live under the bridge just to stir up trouble. In any case. I have mentioned several times I am planning to leave since they won't do nothing about the leftist trolls in here attacking the very institutions thzt this organization says they support. Even thevatjiests in here do not respect the other institutions . I truly think the ones who watch these statements are of the left as well. My statements are marked comment depending on approval. But, yet constantly I see the real haters always being posted. So who is really hating who in here. Those who call themselves athiest truly are not the ones I've met in person who show respect towards believers. In here it's hatred and qi get bashed and identified as a bigot because I hold to my catholic beliefs and respect of all faiths as long as they respect me. It truly is gaslighting amongst some of these who appear as trolls.
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Kevin Cates
Just reverse the situation and will you get the same answer? Will tell you if it's discrimination...
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
How so?
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Bridget Kielas-Fecyk
You know what? I'm glad they're being barred for it. They want to adopt children and teach the kids to hate. They even openly admit to it. And gods forbid if that adopted child admits to being LGBTQ+, that child WILL be badly abused. Possibly beaten, thrown from their homes, etc. So forbidding people who openly want to teach their kids to hate, and to possibly hate themselves, from adopting? I support it.
But here's the thing. They're throwing temper tantrums about this, but at the SAME time, they scream that LGBTQ+ families should be barred from adopting because they're LGBTQ+ and the children MIGHT learn to be open and welcoming to everyone? Like teaching kids to be open and welcoming is a BAD thing?
I don't see it as discrimination. They are getting treated the exact same way they treat others. If they hate that, then maybe they need to reevaluate how they treat others.
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Mark Stefan Blue Sr
Read the Bible, You are thinking with your sick, perverted thoughts, and not with your Heart. It clearly states in the Bible that Homosexuals, [the thought or act of] is indeed a sin. And those people need to repent from their evil ways, or be Judged by the Almighty.
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Michael Hunt
It sounds like you're thinking with your Bible's bigotry. Using a book to justify your hate doesn't make it okay. If you're thinking with your heart, it must be a cold, dark, black hole to believe a homosexual is evil.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Believing in one's own religious texts which in this case the major religions do not support the Alphabet family are not bodies of hate. There are a few fanatics but most are not that way. We have.morals and one is the family being the most religious institution. The government is not an institution to be trusted unless it is strongly limited by its people. The govt has gotten so big its own institutions has become the deep state that even opposes decent peopke that are elected. The two deep enemies here are the RINOS and democrats.
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Tareq Asfour
america’s religious hollywood is a farce a money maker scam get rich quick … but actually, it’s really entertaining… but if this was the middle east, most of you call yourselves, preachers or teachers or pastors would be facing the blades upon all your necks for even suggesting this nonsense…
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
So what you are saying is that you own the moral high road - and you find us "entertaining" and "nonsense" that deserves death?
Thank you for some needed contrast.
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Nancy Richards-Marcus
If a true Rainbow is worth their salt they include everyone. there is room for all. It is bad enough to lose a child to adoption, the mother is never the same, and so often the parents feel that loss their whole lives, the untold legacy of adoption. If at least the biological parents could have their wish what kind of house hold they want for their child, and they want a mother and father, that should be available. Just to begin with. the state taking control of children and values? that should be up to the parents. We need to teach tolorance, civility and agree to disagree. If you really are standing in your truth, you will understand that you must accept everyone has their own bee line to god and no one has the right to get in the way or demand their way is the way to follow gods word. Its ludicrous to do so, hypocritical and defeats the purpose proving your banner of inclusivity is just a facade, and its hate as usual underneath. Open up your heart to everyone different from yourself. Everyone.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Tolerating hate doesn't make a society tolerant, it makes it hateful.
Not accepting a child for who they are is NOT loving, by definition.
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/
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Nancy Richards-Marcus
Tolerate the unknown, not hatred. That which is different from yourself. Mitigate hate. just be amused and in wonder about how different people are and appreciate it. Acceptance and non judgmental witnessing is the way to decrease hatred. No one knows it all its called the great mystery for a reason. we all feel loathsome about the other sometime! Now i think that is funny. Allow people to be different, there is no one way for all people nor should there be, diversity really does mean diversity, all kinds including conservatives.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
What a beautiful comment! Sadly, it appears not many people know what love really looks like, but I think you've expressed it wonderfully.
I think God loves diversity - that's why there's so much of it.
I hope to see more comments from you.
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Christine Nolte Joyce
Responding specifically to the adoption case. The Seperation of Church and State is being intentionally dismantled by religious extremists, hell bent of forcing their political beliefs on to everyone else. This should not even be up for discussion. This couple could have adopted through an Catholic adoption agency. I wonder if this case was manufactured intentionally, like the 303 Creative SCOTUS case, just to further that end?
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Dr. Jerry Moyes
If you read the entire article, you'll find that couples LGBTQ views weren't singled out. The couple was rejected because "Thier faith wasn't supportive, and neither were they". The ULC is spin doctoring the article to provoke reactions from us.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
I feel the ULC is somewhat 'playing up' their headings - but the fact that they did include all the relevant details shows they aren't spin doctoring, IMO.
I agree they like to encourage discussion from all sides - which I heartily agree with.
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Minister Butterworth
Kenneth, you are absolutely correct in that discussions here are great because we have opinions from every direction. I don't agree with many of the views but it is wonderful that we can all say our say and talk about it. For the most part everyone is very respectful. Anyway, just wanted to say that. Thanks
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Thank you!
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Christine Nolte Joyce
If you believe God created everything and LBGTQI+ people have always existed (they have) then they are also God's creations. For those saying that there is a manufactured increase of this demographic because of an agenda by the medical/scientific community, I submit alternate theories. What if GOD has chosen to increase their numbers because humanity has failed to uphold the decree God has given us to responsibility act as stewards of all his creation – to care for, manage, oversee and protect all that God owns (natural resources)? Or perhaps Nature itself (created by God) is intervening because as a species our consumption of Earth's natural resources in relation to our numbers has become unsustainable? Also, consider this, If you have ever commented on a situation outside what has been considered "the norm" as "It's God's Will", why would you refuse to consider that possibly this, too, maybe God's Will?
As someone posted earlier "Live and Let Live" but I amend that to "Live and Let Live with Love and Compassion".
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Julie Ann Jenista
Taking relious liberties and freedoms out of this equation, what you have left is a loving couple who want children, no different than any other family. What you do have ate an enormous amount of children going into a state system after being taken from parents who were unable to adequately care for the basic needs of those children.
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Julie Ann Jenista
I'm not sure who feels foster homes and boarding houses are better than a loving couple, regardless of religious views.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
A couple that rejects who a child is are not loving, by definition.
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/
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Nancy Richards-Marcus
Trevor project is bad news and not the whole story. The funding is coming from the medical establishment, messing with the gender is big bucks for the powers that be. 1.5 million each child for their life time to be exact. They need to get rid of parents to do it. Its creating more mental illness, let a child unfold naturally and let them change, growth is dynamic throughout a lifetime, trying to corral children and steer them somewhere sexually not in thier best interest, it is some pervy adults best interest. let kids be kids. How on earth can anyone decide that stuff until they are a fully emancipated adult. Pushing it too young means more suicide than ever among our youth, you may think you are helping but its actually creating more problems. Everyone grows up and finds their community of ideas and visions and dreams that is not always the biological familys idea of who they should be. Its a natural process eveyone goes though, allow it. Its called growing up, Including ones personal preference orientation. Then offer all the support you want to gender whatever as adults.
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Michael Hunt
Wow you clearly know next to nothing about the transgender community and what is involved in transitioning because if you did you'd understand that transitioning at puberty drastically reduces the likelihood a transgender person will attempt suicide. Gender affirming care has been shown to drastically improve the lives of transgender persons and has nothing to do with sexuality, only their displayed gender. If a transgender person medically transitions once they are an adult who has already gone through puberty, it becomes significantly more difficult to transition.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
You just completely denied every fact around this issue.
You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
I thinkvm sometimes you read just what you want to hear. You never post any opposing views which may state some other arguments
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
What?
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Tabitha
Suing for being discriminated against, for their right to discriminate against someone else. Irony and self-awareness are completely lost on these cultists
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Michael Benjamin Roberts
This rash of odd LGBTQ legal issues, wrapped in a veil of “religious freedom” are sought out and funded by The Alliance Defending Freedom, a recognized Hate Group whose mission is to take away rights and demonize the LGBTQ community. It really isn’t about wedding cakes, websites, foster care, etc. ADF is financing these lawsuits up to the Supreme Court. Do not be fooled.
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Cynthia Mandello
I would give them a child to love if one became available. Despite their immediate reaction to one small inquiry, I believe, based on the entirety of the article that they would love the child unconditionally. Love grows, hearts open.
Legally, they can be denied, but they shouldn't be.
"Christianity" is a personal relationship between one person and God, through Jesus. "Muslim" is a personal relationship between one person and God, through Mohammed. "Jewish" is the belief in a group promise from God.
A personal relationship with God says, basically, "you only seek for yourself". You cleanse YOUR thoughts, YOUR actions, until all you see/feel/want is love. Judging others widens the gap between you & God.
I would allow them to foster. Give a needy child a home. Let love blossom and grow where it will. Let them examine their own hearts.
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JaZe
The couple didnt want to be hypocrits. So many children desperate to be adopted! The agency went too far.
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Steven Ferrell
This is discrimination based solely on religious beliefs and should not be allowed. If the judge is any type of person who knows the law, they will know discrimination based on religion is against the Constitution.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
To hold to your sacred texts is not bigotry . The Christian faith does not hate. It truly spells out requirements. Repent and believe in the good news. Continue to live in sin but you can't be a Christian if you choose to wallow in your temptation. That means any type of sin.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
When you hold OTHER GROUPS OF PEOPLE to your sacred texts that absolutely IS bigotry by definition. Do you own a dictionary? If so, you should try using it.
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Kevin Joseph Kervick
Their views are correct. They should be allowed to foster or adopt a Christian child. The state must stop imposing their religious view on citizens.
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Daniel Todd Kamm
Interesting that people choose to debate the non-sequitur of the situation instead of the factually applicable elements. This has nothing to do with good or evil, Jesus, the (false) deep state, taxes, religious discrimination or incrimination or anything else. The facts are that when fostering, one is caring for someone else's child, and that child and that family have rights and those supersede the particular beliefs of the foster family. If this particular couple, in seeking to foster, or foster to adopt, is unable to follow applicable mandates, that is their choice. And they may want to foster or adopt privately through a religiously affiliated agency (there are plenty) rather than making a noise about the public system that somehow discriminates against their beliefs. They know what they are doing and so do their lawyers and backers... they are simply targeting the public system. So when the debate turns to good, evil, Jesus, Satan or whatever... that's a false conversation at best and at worst a spectrum or med compliance issue ... and it lacks credibility. The debate is really about the best interests of children being cared for, their rights and their parents' rights under the law and nothing else.
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Kevin Joseph Kervick
Yes it does. Many of the children being fostered or adopted come from Christian homes with Christian parents (or secular parents that do not agree with trans-ideology/affirmation). The state's one size fits all mandate is the problem here. Massacuusetts does not get to decide which religion must be followed.
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Daniel Todd Kamm
non sequitur...read the law...
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
The debate is the Veil. Behind that Veil lurks a deeper menace.
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Bond Wright
Here is an ancient, ancient Rede:
Live and let live.
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Paul Johnson
I am surprized at how few have ever had an encounter with God. If they had had one they wouldn't try to get you to read this or that as though these men or women can take the place of God. I will continue to trust God in all things. This I know God didn't create homosexuals, man with the help of the enemy as with Adam and Eve. It clearly states that Satan(Surpent) was more cunning than all the other creatures in the garden;
Even when the enemy tried to trick Jesus in the wildress Jesus was smart enough to not go there. The enemy used the word to try and get Jesus into a conversation and Jesus used the word to rebuke him. This should be a lesson to all of us "do not get into a conversation with the enemy" your going to loose. Jesus while doing His part while in the flesh knew better. Take a tip from Jesus and quit entertaining the enemy. If the word said it quit trying to add man's little twist to it. My only agenda is hopefully you will get in the word and trust God and his word and quit trying to make it say what you want it to say. Be Blessed.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
How do you know who has had an encounter with God?
Maybe they have - and that's why they have nothing to prove.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Why can't you fully just accept that others can believe. Why do you constantly bash those who you call hateful when you do it all the time. Why do you never get censored but the rest of us do. At times I allow righteous anger show and my mouth goes to far. But I have asked you a few questions that you won't answer which proves to me you are only a plant and a troll. Do you support population control and the bureaucracy that is definitely satanic and respects no ones beliefs or our rights Americans. It runs roughshod over the Constitution all the time. The Comlunists have infiltrated the govt just as they have said they would. We have allowed fanatics on both sides speak against the very Constitution they were elected to uphold. The Socialist trio who has constantly denounced religious organizations but their own. Occasio Cortez being a communist . The two Muslim fanatics who don't truly even represent Moderate Islam. And did they ever get silenced by Congress or kicked out Heck no. They truly do not represent the Constitution. Same goes for those in the paSst who were KKK.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Do you honestly believe the world would be a better place if everybody did everything YOU demand?
Do you honestly believe you See All and Know All?
Do you honestly believe you know better than the Creator?
It's a shared universe. Didn't you ever consider there's a reason for that?
Trust God.
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James Riggle-Johnson
Do we have to whole story here? Were they rejected because of their religion or was it because they wouldn’t support a child unless they lived by their beliefs? Adoptive and Foster parents should support the child whether they are gay or straight. If their religious beliefs don’t allow that they probably wouldn’t be good parents.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
James, I don't think it's their religion, but their misinterpretation of their religion, imagining that it supports their own prejudisms.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Perfect liberal responses don't even know what you're saying because you don't know our faith.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
https://www.believeoutloud.com/voices/article/clobbering-biblical-gay-bashing/?
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
https://news.yahoo.com/mike-pence-book-master-class-160002765.html
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ServantOfJudgement
The State has declared itself a prophet and Lord as we can expect. Not content with being inferior to it's creator, the State assumes power over it's maker. Not only can the state see the future of ITS children, its thrilled to exercise it's power over the souls that spawned it. It knows it's better at raising children than parents are. As always, the Bible accurately describes and depicts this age old struggle. Satan hates God, Humans hate God, children hate parents and Governments hate humans. And why wouldn't the state expect ITS children to be LGBTQIA++? IT is training them to be as much, it should come with no surprise. With the State teaching children they can trust IT but not parents, one can only watch with anticipation and horror as governments become gods. The State loves you, long live the State, praise the State. Right?
Now go pay your taxes so you can work harder to lose more control.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Why aren't bigotry and prejudice a sin? Can you answer that?
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
The state are the people. What has happened is the government of elected officials and bureaucracies thinks it's the state. Absolutely not.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
You're absolutely right. Jan. 6 proved that.
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Colleen McAllister
I worked for a Christian/Judean based Foster-Adoption agency for over 10 years. The child always came first. If the prospective parents could not agree to support the child in whatever situation arose then they were dropped from the agency. This is not discrimination of religion but the rejection of a couple for their own beliefs. Whichever faith they follow it is the couple who holds that opinion. No religion can force you to accept every tenant of the faith. And if you allow them that hold on your life then you are not acceptable as a foster or adoptive parent.
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Daniel Todd Kamm
From the article above is where the rub is:
"As the CEO of one of those adoption agencies said at the time, “forcing [us] to violate our beliefs and place children in homes that do not share our faith is wrong and contrary to a free society."
This CEO is wrong. And should probably be prosecuted if that is the practice of the agency, faith based or not.
I worked in Emergency Foster Care and Therapeutic foster care for many years. I have trained foster parents. I placed children in treatment foster homes, and monitored the progress of those children in their therapeutic foster care homes. I have been in dependency court hundreds of times reporting progress and raising concerns.
Many foster parents I worked with were "Old School" strict church goers , in some cases pastors, and saw fostering as a mission. Many had diverse views on this or that foster care rule (there are hundreds in our state) but, I will share this:
Never, ever, have I had a foster family, no matter how devout, not affirm a child. A child's day to day behaviors were often an issue, but who that child was as a person was never ever questioned by any foster parent/family I ever worked with, and we worked with kids who had identities across the spectrum. Who they were was embraced , not rejected, by their foster families whether they agreed with it or not.
Well-trained and committed foster parents know what they are signing up for. And what they are signing up for IS CARING FOR SOMEONE ELSE"S CHILD.
The child is NOT the foster family's child. The whole point of fostering is to care for a child while the natural family is being assisted so the child can go home to the natural family if possible
A foster family does NOT have the right to accept or reject the religious or cultural beliefs of the child, the child's identity whether that includes any LGBTQ +/-/= or whatever everyone is talking abut these days, or insinuate their own beliefs on the child or the child's family of origin as a condition of care.
The child is NOT the foster family's child.
And that is the mistake this particular foster to adopt family made.
It has nothing to do with their personal religious beliefs. If they adopt and want to raise their adopted kids a certain way, at that point it's their business.
But until that time, they are fostering someone else's kids... and that is where they screwed up...and claiming a religious exemption should not exempt them from their responsibilities to other people's children.
Whew!
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Clifford Eugene Gholston
Amen
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Paul Johnson
Failure on man’s part to understand the importance of following the word of God.
Man still wanting to have it his way.
Very few people are truly following God although they may say they are. Nothing more than a little selfish PRIDE wanting his way.
Check out Job see how things work out when you think you KNOW MORE THAN GOD.
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Lionheart
Any demonstrable evidence yet that your particular god is real?
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Bishop William Dusenberry, DD
Mr. Johnson; have you ever considered reading “The Savvy Convert’s Guide to Choosing a Religion.”
Which is a rhetorical question, to which the answered by your post.
You appear, like most do, to simply have inherited the Earth’s best religion (whichever it is) merely, due to the accident of birth, and appear to have never considered Panteism, suggesting you’ve never heard of it either.
If you had, you’d know that God and Nature are the same thing, and that God is a female, known as Mother Nature,
Ergo, what you categorize as the word of God, is in actuality the laws of nature, which we all must follow if humankind is to survive.
Suggestion: read “Choosing a Religion” and select the best religion with which to try to save our planet, and/or, the religion that promises you the best afterlife.
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Paul Johnson
Once more what a foolish question. Again as the friends of Job trying to convince Job that he didn't know anything. In the end they had to apoligize and ask Job to pray for them while giving a blessing to Job. The battle isn't between men but with the principalities and powers and that battle is between God and the Enemy. Except what Jesus has already done for us and rejoice in Him, with Him and be the light unto the world. Let not our foolish Pride rob us of the blessings that are waiting for each of us. Again Be Blessed.
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Minister Butterworth
Paul J. I couldn't agree more. Jesus paid the ultimate price for US ALL. Why is it so difficult to give him what he paid for?
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Ok people the state is not always right. Rejecting a couple who believes being gay is a sin from adopting a child is fully bigoted and should be challenged in a court of maw.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Religious rights are protected under the law and under existing Canon law of each denomination. And those beliefs are not bigoted. The government truly is the biggest arbiter of bigotry and hatred. Throughout history indigenous people of the U.S. have been treated like crap. Lahaina right now is a perfect example . Not letting them into their property. Not Now the government calling the water toxic. A perfect examples which will become the biggest land takeover of the federal govt. Just as bad as the Japanese Americans list their property, the Native Indians lost theirs and are now being threatened to lose their reservation lands. Never trust polticalbinstutions when they.become too big. This is why our Founding Fathers opposed a big government.
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Robert Gagnon
So very open minded atheists can easily adopt if they agree to assist in children medically altering themselves? If they adopt a Catholic will they take them to church? How about a Muslim. State would rather let kids rot in the system than let parents with scruples adopt. Enough with supporting mentally challenged kids damaged by poor parenting. Maybe what they need is some normal in their lives.
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John Robert Milner
Religion should not be a factor in adoption! Neither should a political / sexual position be a factor consideration by any government! Are they good people, do they have income to support a child, is the residence met standards of cleanliness etc. Keep the needs of the child the only factor!
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Religion and sexual orientation are not the factors in this - bigotry and prejudice are.
That's the issue.
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Janis Carol Sommers
As long as our Federal and the State of Massachusetts legally support the rights of LGBTQI people, the Department of CHildren and Families has to abide by those laws. Is it right? I do not think so. All fostering and adoption applicants have to go through DCF. It is a case the couple will win, in my opinion. No one knows if an infant child will be Trans or Lesbian or Gay or Heterosexual. I can understand the rejection of this couple if they were asking to provide a home to an older child who has identified as non- Heterosexual.
Did this couple show up for their interview wearing religious garments or other items that identified them as extremists or radicals? Were they quoting the bible as they interviewed? What makes them more radical than a Protestant or Jew or Muslim? Most parents do not think they are harming their children with their views on anything. Does the law discriminate based on political affiliation, or ethnicity or sexual orientation? Not in Massachusetts. Janis Sommers
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Robin Anne Hannon
Why didn't they adopt from a Catholic agency? It would fall in line with their personal beliefs. This is a government agency, and they are not supposed to allow personal views to interfere with adoptions, but this is a new world and not a better America we seem to be living in. Personal feelings about LGBTQ should never leak into laws that violate personal freedom and choice. Where does that end? If we allow it against LGBTQ, what would stop the same thing about Jews, Mormons, or any other group that is non Christian? It's a very bad road to go on.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
The Catholic Church has been getting out of adoption because of the laws that really go against their own system. Just like health care and having to accept abortion in their insurance programs. They fought against it and continue to do so.
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Nicholas J Page
What ever happened to freedom of speech.Sorry but the American people do go over the top with gender issues and before anyone gets on their high horse about my views.My brother is an American citizen and he does not have personal issues with the LGBTQ COMMUNITY.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Catholics are just not very nice people and not very Christian like.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Thank you for putting us in a box. Bern happening for 2000 years. We'll endure.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Did somebody say you were going to suffer eternal torture?
Oh wait that's you.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
Good religious people won’t sell cakes to gays? Non-religious people deny adoption to lunatics. Turn about is fair play. Ostracize and shun the religious bigots and see how they like it. Let them kiss the ‘other cheek’.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Secular relativism .
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
"Secular relativism" is a religious propaganda term inflicted on and propagated by the ignorant and sociopathic.
Secular morality is founded on empathy. It's no more complicated than that. All you need to know is that other people hurt like you do. That's it.
If you need a God to tell you right from wrong, that's not a 'secular' problem. It's a LACK OF EMPATHY problem - but that's no surprise coming from 'God's children' - as heard by secular adults.
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Sherrell K Zitting
Alot of great points being made. There are degrees of faith and development of souls. Each adoption should be paired with like minds, what lifestyle interests the child, and thus in the interest of the child.
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Alexander Arends
First, if I were Catholic,I would go to a Catholic adoption agency before going anywhere else. So why should a catholic family not be considered for adoption? Are the children going to become delinquent little monsters? So sad to read this, The broad minded are becoming narrow minded.
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Matthew Mastrogiovanni
Members of hate groups shouldn't be able to adopt.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Simple liberal response. Religious groups are not hate groups just because you don't respect their belief systems. Welcome to Nazi Germany. I see whete you would have stood. You would have considered the Jews as a hate group. You just revealed where you stand.
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Rev. Shawn Jose.
I think if there good law abiding citizens with descent backgrounds and are capable of supporting the child, (financially and spiritually), with a good stable future. Every family has difficulty at some points and easily succeed in different places in time. Every one deserves to be loved and to have a family. I could be wrong but I don't think so. Everyone's entitled to the opinion.
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Katelynne Shouse
Boo Hoo Hoo, too bad so sad.....talk about sick weirdos who indoctrinate children!!!
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Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox
Yeah, the Catholics are very well known for their indoctrination. Priestly Pedophilia is the verbiage you’re looking for.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Here we go christian bashing again. A bunch of ***holes. This is why I'm leaving this stupid site. Goodbye.
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Carl Nicholas Frank
Don't let the door hit ya...
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Tareq Asfour
please don’t leave it’s actually entertaining. Do you know why because it’s America another fabrication can play around with anybody’s belief twisted turn it upside down add and subtract scriptures can make it into an LGBT thing. Can they do whatever the hell they want, because this Rome Empire knew what they were doing with the naughty major help of our own cursed relatives who are bluntly ignoring G’Ds commandments in doing whatever the hell they want its that right Tribe of Benjamin’s and Tribe of Levi for the last 600 years no wonder G’D got mad at us all and summoned the glorious angel Gabriel, to find another candidate and another teacher, another prophet, another messenger to come to put us all in line again who is it ? The last prophet Muhammad from linage of Ishmael… now, if you do not know this story, shame on all of you, you should not even be called ministers or pastors if you don’t know the story… Prophet Abraham had two sons Issac and Ishmael i’m not going to argue who came 1st and who G’D promised ! G’D promised both great kingdoms and actually if you all start paying attention we are coming together in Jerusalem and Arabia while America is coming apart at the seams as it was designed to
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ServantOfJudgement
Hard to believe, I know. Next thing they'll pull is drag shows at school. Sick indeed, great call!
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Tareq Asfour
they already have drag shows in America’s clown churches….
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Steven B Johnson SR
I have a question so if a person are part of the lgbq community asked a reverend or minister to ministrate their service we are not allowed to ministrate their services
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Nathaniel Robert Hunt
I do gay weddings at my church, My religion has no issues with them
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Michael Hunt
If you don't want to perform the ceremony you're legally protected from doing so.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Not if you yourselves belong to a religious institution that opposes it. This institution does not. I believe that this institution allows you to choose. I live by my beliefs as a Catholic so I will not perform marriages of same couples. I do not believe in it. That does not make me a hateful bigot. I believe in the traditional role of family. It is up to you as an individual.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Ironic you say it is "up to you as an individual" after you just explained, in the very same paragraph, that you are making your decision because the religious institution you belong to does your thinking for you.
You go on to state that you disapprove non-traditional families, so refuse to support them. This is the literal definition of hateful bigotry.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
No the Catholic Church does not fp.mybyhinking for.me. I choose to.believr what it teaches. That's my choice. I don't agree with everything it teaches but I still uphold that teaching. I don't approve of. That is what being Catholic is all about.
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Rev. Z.D. Caballero
The shoe is not on the other foot. A religious adoption agency cannot be forced into changing its beliefs, since that violates its members 1st Amendment Right. The state cannot deny a couple to adopt because their beliefs are different than what the state is shooting for, again, because it violates their 1st Amendment Right. Also, in both cases the separation between church and state would be violated. But, to be fair to that legal bit, no religious group should receive government help, including tax exemption, because of said separation. A religion should not be equated with a NGO or other philanthropic businesses. Religious groups do profit in a corporate sense, and should adhere to the same laws as any profit making business. If we are going strictly by the book, that is what must happen. Otherwise it is all hypocrisy and striving after the wind.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Who is 'The state"? The answer is simple - it's the people - ALL the people - and this precludes one sub-group from discriminating against another.
The religious - especially these days - can be as narrow minded and bigoted as they want, but NOT the state.
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ServantOfJudgement
Don't kid yourself. The State exists on paper, you exists in the flesh.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
I am a veteran SOJ. Are you suggesting I put my life on the line for a piece of paper?
Sometimes I wonder what planet you live on.
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ServantOfJudgement
Thank you for your service Kenneth. I was artillery. Is the condition of the State the same as it was when you served? Will it always be? What happens to your human rights if the paper they're printed on burns up? Personally I put my life on the line for you and the rest of my brothers and sisters, not the State. If the State is the people, why do 99% of the people struggle? Why do freedoms continue to erode and diminish?
You're a human and within you is the power of a thousand States. This is why governments, gods and corporations ferociously fight to control the single most powerful force ever measured: Man for he knows no limit and has the power to transform thought into motion.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Beautiful words SOJ - and the REASON you can say them is because of our state - the state you and I served in.
The 'State' isn't just 'paper'. It's people. People who mutually agree to abide by certain rules. The foundation of our rules is our constitution - you know, that 'paper' you agreed to support and defend in the oath you took? It's the foundation of our rule of law that guarantees you the right to voice your opinion.
And every time an American criticizes or condemns their government, Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un laugh their ***es off.
And if you want to know why 99% of people struggle, look no further than the party that thinks reducing taxes on the rich helps the poor.
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ServantOfJudgement
All the way bro, all the way until you got to the party talk. All the frickin way till that. Yes, the USA constitution lays down hard truth that has altered the course of mankind, I feel for the better. I stand slightly corrected.
Currently both parties are populated with millionaires creeping towards billionaires. I share your sentiment with taxing rich but you've got to realize, Jeff Bezoz is going to get his yacht and he's going to get it on time with champaign and girls in bikinis.
If they tax the rich, it won't work but we will.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
And who told you that?
The rich are the only ones who could afford to.
And Jan. 6 told me everything I need to know about which party is which.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
If you take the oath to defend the Constitution that is what you are defending. You don't take an oath to defend the president, etc but that piece of paper and what it stands for. If you don't believe that why would you choose to defend the country. Would you turn your guns on the people if they choose to stand against this present disgusting evil administration. I would say no. I would turn my gun on the govt. If I had lived in the U.S during the Civil War I would have defended the South. Not for their right to own slaves (which the war was not fought for that alone) but for the right to choose for themselves in given time. The right to choose not to have it enforced on them. The states take precedence over the federal government. If the Supreme Court rules against something as the case of abortion then it is acting on the rights of those who can't speak for themselves. Right and proper whether you like it or not.. when the government goes after the kids then the parents have a right to act. Pure and simple. The federal government has no right to step on our rights . We have a right to alter or abolish with the ballot or the gun.
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Rev. MichaelRS
The difference is that religious adoption agencies are private organizations.
But here you have a government agency inserting its approval or disapproval of somebody's lifestyle based on their religious affiliation.
I'm sure they would have no problem approving this couple if they belong to the Metropolitan Community Church.
The other thing is, there are many ways a kid COULD "turn out". I wonder if this agency would reject a gay couple because the kid MIGHT grow up to be a straight Evangelical Christian.
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Alun Lloyd Palmer
You can grow up to be straight, but becoming evangelical is a choice. The problem is those who act as if it were the other way around.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Being gay is also a choice.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
And you know this because...?
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
"I wonder if this agency would reject a gay couple because the kid MIGHT grow up to be a straight Evangelical Christian."
I'm thinking if the gay couple demonstrated as much narrow-mindedness and bigotry as the religious couple in the article above, then they too would be rejected, and if they didn't, they would be accepted.
What do you think?
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Rev. MichaelRS
You're right. Those bigoted devils in the article would probably not let their boy choose to make irreversible life-changing decisions at 9 years old by stating they think they are girl and start them on puberty blockers when the week prior he wanted to be a fire truck when he grew up.
They would be the adults and not allow their child to be influenced by the radical gender identity propagandist and social contagion of multiple gender identitirs that is infesting the country worse than the covid pandemic.
Have you ever heard the testimony of de-transitioners that were caught up and pushed into that as young people, supported by doctors and "experts", and now realizing they were pushed into making a horrible mistake that has basically destroyed their bodies for the rest of their lives?
Well to that I say rather than puberty blockers the best kind of blockers is for parents like this to stop that kind of nonsense and if it's bigotry it's the best kind of bigotry.
All this new gender ideology and "awareness" and so on and so forth can best be summed up in one phrase,
"The emperor has no clothes."
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Those are strong words MRS, but strong words don't make anything true.
Numerous medical organizations disagree with you, including the AMA. the APA and the AAP.
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-states-stop-interfering-health-care-transgender-children
https://www.psychiatry.org/File%20Library/About-APA/Organization-Documents-Policies/Policies/Position-Transgender-Gender-Diverse-Youth.pdf
https://www.aap.org/en/news-room/news-releases/aap/2018/aap-policy-statement-urges-support-and-care-of-transgender-and-gender-diverse-children-and-adolescents/
Gender dysphoria is a real and debilitating condition that is successfully treated every day.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/transgender-facts/art-20266812
Denying and ignoring gender dysphoria is not an option.
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/
It is inevitable that some people will change as they age, for whatever reason - but you decide you believe them when it suits you. If they change their minds again, and decide they were right all along, are you going to be as supportive of that? That too is inevitable - approximately 2% of the 2% of the 2% - or aren't you going to decry the anti-anti-anti-'gender ideology'?
Right-wing media wants you to know that transexuals are coming for your children, that illegal aliens are coming for your children, that the woke groomers are coming for your children, that the Marxist socialist CRT identity politics communists are coming for your children - so you'd better vote Republican! And it works like a charm.
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ServantOfJudgement
Kenneth,
Something to watch for that's starting to get traction. Some transgender people are beginning to reject gender dysphoria, or better said they're rejecting the notion that they have any medical conditions at all, meaning they're normal. I don't know if it will take precedence over the current scientific determination or not. I'm not sure how science will handle that one either. A close acquaintance of mine is a social worker for sex offenders and she is beginning to be presented with this by some of her clients. Hence, I don't have sources to site beyond a conversation. I can see the point of a transgender person, I guess they'd feel normal since it's the only way they feel, like all of us right? Anyway I thought you might find that interesting.
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Lisbeth Kieran Bushey
SOJ, "detransitioners" are incredibly rare and most do so due to TRANSPHOBIA, not because their gender identity changes. Only about 1% of Trans people will return to their assigned gender at birth. Almost all do so because of transphobia. Many are now doing so because of legislation in states that are starting to even ban care for adults or because they are incarcerated.
It's already a scientific determination. Here are some publicly available references for you to look at.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35505568/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8213007/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9516050/
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Rev. MichaelRS
You're right, gender dysphoria IS real. But not on the level we are seeing today. Today it is children being misled into believing that is actually their issue.
If there were always the number of gender dysphoric people as are sprouting up today in their tweens and teens where are all the equivalent older transgenders. Of course there are older people that are now feeling free to come out as transgender but in today's environment if it was anywhere near the percentage of what is happening today to young people there would be far more older people coming out as transgender, but the numbers are just not there.
People who truly have gender dysphoria as opposed to being manipulated into believing that they have it, are a very very small number probably less than 1% of the people that are nowadays claiming themselves to be transgender.
So, nobody is denying gender dysphoria. What's being denied is the actual true cases of it versus those that are manipulated into it.
And you're also right that it deserves to be treated...as the mental illness that it is. Not have the delusion affirmed.
Tell me, what would you do with somebody who was anorexic? Would you affirm their delusion that they are fat people and need to be even thinner than their current skeletal state? Would you give them a membership in Weight Watchers and a prescription for diet pills?
ICoukd be wrong, but i'm going to assume you would not have the same feelings toward them as you would somebody who has gender dysphoria and in the case of the anorexic you would encourage them to get the help they need to correct their problem rather than man affirming their delusion and encourage them to have a gastric bypass operation.
Many young people, particularly girls, become anorexic because of the programming they are receiving from the outside regarding perfect body image and advertising and so on and so forth. It's trendy to be thin. So it is with the current social contagion of gender dysphoria and transgenderism.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
MRS and SOJ...
There is only one reason you are both talking about this now. Yes, it does seem transgenderism is becoming more common. Yes it does seem the prevalence is affecting more children as well. This is because right-wing media is pumping it into everybody's brains.
You say it is more common than it should be - based on what? On Fox News reports? On your infallible scientific intuition? On the fact that now that it's more common, detransitioning is also seeing a proportionate increase?
Perhaps the right-wing focus is having its INTENDED effect of causing hysteria, both by giving the impression the fall of civilization is nigh AND by spreading gender identity awareness so that more people literally are recognizing the condition in themselves - a result which undoubtedly pleases right-wing media to no end. The more the hysteria, the more money they make. You know it amazes me the number of times conservatives scream "Follow the money!" and then don't.
And the reason children have become a focus in this is two-fold - the MOST EFFECTIVE treatment, with the MOST SATISFACTORY RESULT, is to intervene at puberty, which is quite literally a 'transition' into the unwanted sex in the first place. That's just the reality. This is a godsend to right-wing media, who can exploit the angle that "transsexuals are coming for your children!"
You have presented nothing but suspicions and fears - and echoed exactly all the right-wing talking points that have been designed to perpetuate exactly the suspicions and fears and hysteria you have expressed. Personally I resent being manipulated - but you're free to feel about it how ever you want.
And transgenderism and anorexia are two different things with two different causes and two different treatments. Facts matter. Context matters. Don't fall for their conflation so easily.
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Rev. MichaelRS
If transgenderism at this level has always been a real thing, where are all the old transgenders that should be coming out now? There is a welcoming and supportive environment for them like never before.
They're not coming out because they are not there and never have been and they are not there currently it's only happening to younger people because they are being forced into the ideology and think it's hip or trendy to be transgender or come up with some of the creative pronoun nonsense.
Prepubescent children are not deemed mentally competent enough to be allowed to decide if they want to drink alcohol or smoke or drive a car or have sex.
In addition they change what they want to be when they grow up on a near weekly basis. We laughed about it later but at one point I told my parents I wanted to be a fire truck. Thankfully, as the adults, they did not take me down to the local fire station and drop me off telling me, "Good luck on your new life."
So don't try to tell me that prepubescent kids, without following the lead and social pressure of some adults, are not transgender because they think it's the hip thing to do or we'll get approval from those adults.
But yet before their brains are even formed enough to know if they want to be a doctor, lawyer, nurse or Indian chief when they grow up, you want to give them drugs that will catastrophically alter their bodies for the rest of their lives.
Shame on you and shame on everybody that pushes this sick gender ideology on little kids.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
There you go again MRS. I quote hospitals, doctors and psychologists, and you quote propaganda and paranoia.
You are, of course, free to think whatever you want to think, but I am always going to look to the professionals and expertise that actually knows what they are talking about. It's just something I do.
You're free to kneel at the altar of Fox News and bigotry and prejudice, like so many others these days. What could go wrong - It's just the same mentality that burned witches.
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Rev. MichaelRS
Maybe it's because these other doctors and psychologists that you are quoting have succumb to the social pressure of the gender extremist to bend the science so it is now junk science related to gender ideology
I in turn listen to the brave people who stand up for truth and actual science. One of whom is Dr Jordan Peterson.
I'm not going to write an entire book here, but all anybody has to do is listen to anything Dr Peterson says the subject of transgenderism and we are pretty much in lockstep.
Below are short samples but if anybody cares to hear the truth there's more out there.
For now all I can say is, stop mutilating confused children and stop giving them chemicals that basically destroy their bodies later in life.
https://youtube.com/shorts/WrdxAU2EzcI?si=R8OVWcOXo2DXH707
https://youtube.com/shorts/_nsBbGHrCM8?si=ASqMhnPunvz6Ru-A
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Rev. MichaelRS
Or maybe you could do better than this doctor in the Congressional hearing and name the professional Journal that promotes the study that says differently than what the congressman is pointing out...
https://youtu.be/7hyXQWmf2r0?si=q7FmzDEK-sYM_qeT
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Rev. MichaelRS
By the way I'm not going to go on a rambling rant here about the harm of the transgender ideology movement. I'm just going to refer people to look up eminent doctors and psychiatrists themselves that are exposing it.
If anybody cares to know the truth they simply need to go to YouTube and listen to
Dr JORDAN PETERSON or Dr MIRIAM GROSSMAN speak on the issue of transgenderism.
But most people won't do that because they don't want facts to get in the way of their ideology.
But yes, rather than me quoting this one or that one, people can go listen to it directly from their mouths
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
There it is.
You get your science from "YouTube".
That's a ringing endorsement, if I ever heard one.
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Rev. MichaelRS
Now you're just making dumb statements.
I do not get my science "from YouTube".
I get the science from...
eminently qualified medical and psychiatric doctors, with decades of practical research and clinical experience, whose videos of their lectures, interviews, panel discussions AND testimony before Congress are posted on YouTube for all to see.
And if anybody cares to learn the TRUTH about the junk science that is behind a lot of this transgender and gender ideology, it's easy to go to YouTube to watch the various discussions on the subject by doctors Jordan Peterson and Miriam Grossman.
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Michael Hunt
Oh you're a Peterson disciple and you're accusing other people of using junk science? That man's a joke of a philosopher and shouldn't be relied upon for anything scientific since he's not a scientist.
It's easy to find YouTube videos that totally debunk Peterson but I've found this one to be my favorite: https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo?si=QKdDoDzOamzwa8aZ
Trusting Peterson for your science is like trusting Taylor Swift for your legal advice because he doesn't know s*** about actual science.
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Rev. MichaelRS
Do you have any where the attacks are not one way, where he is there and able to make point or counterpoint to the other's argument?
But I still want to know what caused California's 200 year drought, starting around the year 850 and what caused the ice to recede that covered all of Scotland and half of England 22,000 years ago.
Because today they say things like global warming and a few years of drought in California is due to man-made climate change.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/01/25/california-drought-past-dry-periods-have-lasted-more-than-200-years-scientists-say/
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Nice advertising blurb you wrote. There's just one thing missing - SUBSTANCE.
You are the purveyor of the junk science - says the vast majority in the medical and science institutions.
Just because your favorite YouTube stars say bigoted and ignorant things you agree with doesn't negate what the vast majority in the medical and science institutions all agree on. Just because you say something is so doesn't make it so. Just because you call something 'TRUTH' doesn't make it true. TRUTH is what makes something true - and that is determined by institutions that are far more informed about something than you or I.
Here's a test: What do you think about climate change? What do you think about vaccines? What do you think about trickle-down economics? Chances are you've won at alt-right Bingo and are perfectly aligned with every nutty thing they tell you, because once someone gets their head stuck in that echo-chamber, that's what happens.
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Rev. MichaelRS
The individuals are not YouTube Stars. Anymore than the people from CNN or MSNBC are are you two stars.
YouTube is just one platform on which their lectures or testimony before Congress and so on and so forth is shown.
Climate change- nobody denies climate change the climate is always changing. But disagreement is how much man is contributing to that and how much man can do anything about it. But there have been extreme weather conditions throughout human history. 22,000 years ago all of Scotland and half of England was covered in a sheet of ice.
They talk about droughts in California now starting around the year 850 California had a drought that lasted 250 years and since then it has had various Mega droughts lasting decades. That is according to the scientist you know you like science right. Well so do I. But now everybody freaks out about a few years of drought and attributes it to man-made climate change.
Meanwhile we in the west are shooting ourselves in the economic foot well China and India continue to spew more carbon into the air from their Industrial plants in one month than we do in 10 years.
Covid vaccination - I'm VOLUNTARILY vaccinated x 4.
As far as economics goes, one just asked to ask if they are better off four years before Biden took office and started to wage war on the US economy starting with his attack on us petroleum.
Through some freaky kind of logic they think it's better for us to import oil from Nations that are marginally friendly, and in some cases outright hostile, to us and burn that oil versus producing our own oil here in America.
Back to those speakers I don't know what panels you watch but every time I watch them on the panels with the gender ideologist and assorted versions of communist Dr.'s Peterson and Grossman crush them
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Secular instructions are part of the same problem. And you swallow it like gospel truths in a secular society. Inlove how you think everything has to be your way. You are so indoctrinated with the left it's sick. The way of the world gas no.morals I am so amazed you've become a secular arm of the Neo Nazi propaganda of gas lighting. It is so evident you support this crqp you cannot see the light of real truth.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
What are you afraid of?
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John Albert Daniel
DONT BE SUPRISE, WHAT HAPPENS IN MASSACHUSETS ,ITS THE FLORIDA OF THE NORTH.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
The article says it all.
Religious organizations have been discriminating forever - but when faced with their own discrimination, they cry foul.
Isn't that always the case.
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Rev. Sandy
I agree with you and it's time that government start putting more checks and balances on reliogious organization that milk people for their money, get tax breaks all the while as they discriminate and in some cases promote hate and igorance and false truths. They seem to feel like they can get away with anything, all the while saying it's because of their faith. Some faith groups do good work and walk the talk, but others can do more harm and are hypocritical bending on idealistic extremism that seeks to repress and control. While the world is changing to be more excepting and loving it seems that some straight extreme religious couples and individulas seem to hide their self hatred behind their religious shield and project their vile onto the LGBTQ+ , women, child, and other marginalized groups. The more they are exposed the more they cry foul.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
I just love how everybody bashes Christians when they know darn well we have certain teachings that tell us not to accrpt certain groups or cultures into our faith until they repent of their grievous sins. That's not hatred. So please quit bashing us Christians or our teachings. Muslims are far more extreme in rejecting infidels compared to Christians. Your concept of love is not the concept that Christians and Jews believe in. Christians are all embracing the sinner but condemning the sin but we are not to accept any sinner who refuses to repent and keeps practicing their sins.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Christian theology is inherently flawed, suggesting that the creator and uncontested master of the universe loves you unconditionally but is also helpless to see you condemned to an eternity of torture if you take his name in vain, for example, or a host of other things no modern enlightened person finds significant. It's absolutely ludicrous. You will probably call this 'secular belief', but really it's demonstrable logical conclusion.
And while there are some sincere loving Christian adherents, the majority use religion as a thinly veiled excuse to control and marginalize others and justify blatant bigotry and prejudice. There are numerous examples of this, such as the Dobbs and Lorie Smith SCOTUS decisions.
I would think "Love thy neighbor" would make it clear that bigotry and prejudice are sins, but there are numerous people who refuse to see this - and don't seem to realize it defines them, not the people they are judging.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
So if you sin you repent. Pretty simple. Judeo Christian theology is not flawed.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
How do you justify an eternity of torture for breaking the 3rd commandment?
Why are bigotry and prejudice not a sin? Can you answer that?
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ServantOfJudgement
Kenneth,
Within the context of the bible, Jesus tightens up the tolerance on sin by stating even thinking poor thoughts about your brother equates to the murder of your brother. He gives other examples as well. He wants us to know that not a single one of hasn't violated his law at one point or another. This brings forgiveness to the forefront. He won't make us ask forgiveness like a human parent might. We my friend are free souls. Free to do this or that. Free to obey the rules like we do the speed limit or free to disobey the rules, like we do with the speed limit. Because there's a general opinion from the secular public along with secular following christians that Jesus blindly forgives, this demonstrates the false doctrine is being taught, to the point of this article. Jesus in no way, shape or form blindly forgives. One must ask, or admit wrongdoing and then ask. Admittedly, admitting is the hard part.
To the undiscovered Man in the jungle, the bible specifically answers the question 'What of someone who's never heard of the bible'. Whoever wrote the Bible thought of everyone.
As I understand the document, prejudice and bigotry would naturally be considered sins. Unjustified judgement in general is considered sinful so that probably a fair statement.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
So you're saying I should forgive God for condemning souls to an eternity of torture for sassing Him? That I should forgive you for blindly following 2000 years out-of-date guidance to condemn one's natural born God-given sexuality?
I'll consider it. You can ask first. God can ask at His leisure.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
What kind of 'God' condemns a soul to an eternity of torture for breaking the 3rd commandment? When you think about it, that's not the position of a 'loving' God, it's the tactic of a mob boss. There are certain Christians - Evangelicals, I'm looking at you - who's 'loving' God, when looked at objectively, is a vain, abusive, authoritarian Daddy figure who has one punishment for anything that displeases Him, and it's the equivalent of swatting a fly with a nuclear bomb.
When you think about it, when you actually look at the world around you and the way it is set up. it becomes apparent that to some people religion is just a thinly veiled means of controlling and marginalizing others and then congratulating yourself for doing it. It's absolutely ludicrous.
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Tareq Asfour
Jesus Christ himself does not change the sabbath day, he didn’t change anything its was Emperor Augustus Caesar, Constantine Of Rome Empire who did buy the council of Nicaea, clearly nobody sees and just follow like sheep without thinking and asking questions about it because its hard and just follow blindly last 2023 years fabricating new versions of christianity out of thin air in occupied turtle island America
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
You and ServantOfJustice need to become friends.
You both think you are the sole arbiters of 'The One True Way'.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
The ways of the world is the last thing I would rely on. You really sit on the side of the world that promotes genocide. Walk softly. The ways of the world is evil personified.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
"Cynicism, like gullibility, is a symptom of underdeveloped faculties." ~Jamie Whyte~
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
You don't even understand what you're talking about. Saying the name of God in vain is based on taking a vow then breaking it. Not cussing. I'll stop there.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
You're right KASE, I don't know what I'm talking about.
"If we profess to be Christians, but act, think, and speak in a worldly or profane manner, we take His name in vain."
That I can get behind. What about you?
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
If God establishes a Dovine Law we're expected to follow it. We can break it if we choose, but we better take the responsibility for what comes after. As I said you take a vow and break it is what the 3rd Commanent is about. Cussing really isn't what it's about. When you say G**damn you to a person you're not using g God's name in vain. Furthermore what is God's name? It's YHWH OR YESHSHUA. Simply saying God really isn't cussing God. More like saying a prayer asking Him to judge someone e accordingly who needs it. Look more carefully into the text of that commandment, a d seek more research into what the teachers of the faith say in the Talmud. Or what the Foundi g Fathersvhave to say. I remember the joke George Carlin told about the seven four letters words. They weren't really bad. The way we say them really isn't swearing. I think there is a total misunderstanding on your part. As I said you make a vow directly to God and break it is really what the Commandlent is talking about. A very serious vow like the vows our Catholic religious orders take of poverty, chastity, and obedience. Or marriage vows. Breaking those are taking God's name in vain. Jesus swore calling the Pharisees names like "you brood of vipers". He talked about what comes out of a person's mouth is more unclean then what comes out the other end. If that isn't disgusting using that analogy. I'm not saying anything more on the subject.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Do you know what the definition of profane is?
Do you know what the root word of profanity is?
Perhaps you should think about it some more.
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Rev. Sandy
There is no bashing here, but you are on point. Crying Foul Perhaps you might want to look closley at the history of Chrisianity and other faith groups. Look at all the damage that has been done and decide who is the real sinner and who should be repenting. There are some wonderful faith groups both christian and otherwise that are not just open minded, but they have repented themselves and show what love and expectance is. These groups live a life of love and service. Some religious groups are stuck and will not change and thus continue to get old and bitter with hate and not love. Just like individual people. Love is Love and excepting this rather than being stuck in patriotic hypocritical ways will only lead the world to destruction rather than embracing and excepting all god's children in a loving and caring fashion.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Love is not love when it goes against gat God created through the Natural Law. Male and female. Any other is mental sickness.
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Bridget Kielas-Fecyk
Wrong, it is not "Male and Female" and that's it.
For those claiming there are only TWO genders and that being LGBTQIA+ is "unnatural", "evil", that kids are being "forced to be it", etc. WRONG.
Genetically speaking, there are over 50 human gender variants, though outwardly, a person's gender can be born to show one of four physical appearances.
1) Born appearing to be male.
2) Born appearing to be female.
3) Born hermaphroditic, i.e. showing both gender traits.
4) Born genderless, showing no gender traits.
Now, that being said, it's not unusual for the PARENTS to choose their children's gender if they are born hermaphrodite or genderless. However, what the parents choose may NOT be what the gender of the child actually is. Nor does their outward appearance always show their true gender as well.
Allow me to explain.
You see, genetically speaking, as I stated earlier, there are multiple human genders, and there are many, many MORE gender variants. You can appear to be female by birth, and yet, genetically, be male. Internally, at the genetic level, your DNA shows that you are actually "wired" to be male, as it were.
You can appear to be male, by birth, and yet, genetically, be female. Internally, at the genetic level, your DNA shows you are actually "wired" to be female.
So, despite what some individuals may espouse and claim, there are FAR more than two human genders. Hell, even by birth, you can physically be one of four outward appearances. And it is, I assure you, all completely natural. There is no "god" factor with this, or a "devil" factor, or anything supernatural involved. For those who believe in such a thing.
It all comes down to how your DNA came together before you were ever born. So for those saying individuals who are LGBTQ+ are "unnatural", and those disparaging Trans individuals as "refusing their birth-right", you're wrong. It's completely natural. And, in fact, an individual transitioning to the other gender may, in fact, be simply gaining the physical appearance they were meant to have all along.
https://genetic.org/variations/
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
No even if ypur chemicals or DNA is messed up if born with a vagina you're female regardless. Same with the male. You don't alter the order of nature.. you don't play God.this world is messed up because of people like you
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
KASE I think you need to stop and think about this.
The TRUTH of nature is right there in front of you, gleaned from a lot of study by professionals. It is YOU that are denying the TRUTH of NATURE that has been put right in front of your face.
It seems it makes you uncomfortable, that it contradicts your prejudices, that you react with denial and blame.
This is why it's a 'problem', because of people like you who react from ignorance, prejudice, and fear - and who 'play God'.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Male ans female. Not hermaphrodite. Not Adam and Steve. I don't care what anyone says or what the professionals say. The Sacred Texts explicitly spell out what God intended. The Writings of the Jewish Fathers in the Talmud and the Writings of the Church Fathers explicitly explains them. The Catholic Church is clear about them. You don't play God and change things as they were meant to be. When it comes to chemical imbalances one needs to.look at where and what caused that. The environment or what one person was exposed to or imbibing. Do not upset nature. What we are putting in our food seems to be a giant experiment to see how people react to those things. That's what we should be looking at. Present science coming from this present fraudulent administration seems to want to believe anything and profess anything. After everything we've professed now we must change out beliefs, our culture, our attitudes simply because of secular relativism. I dare say not. Relativism and their beliefs that everyone has their own truth system doesn't cut it. Simply not true. There are certain divine truths that do not change. You simply cannot change what you wish regardless of if it hurts tour little pinky pseudo scientific truth system. If I choose to follow my Catholic teachings I am not a bigot or being hateful. And I'm not going to change those to fit your understanding. No way, no how. I will die for what I believe in. Simply stated. Seriously look who.is standing on the wrong side. As I have stated the ways of the world are satanic, dictatorial, communists, and genocidal. Forgive me for hurting your little toes for stepping on them. Maybe a good smashing of the whole foot would wake you up to what is really happening in this godless world. Satan has taken over everything because the real.ones of faith haven't stood up to co demn you. As Jacque Ellul once stated in his book on violence. Hitler isn't dead , his spirit still lives. He only killed himself. KlausvScwab, Bill Gates, George Sotir and other elites are and have accepted Sqtan and his evil world ly follower: Hitlers spirit into their lives. Oppose it I will. Stand up and fight it I will. I won't listen to your disgusting secular relativism. I gladly accept being a bigot, a hate-filled monger, a domestic terrorist in your eyes. You're simply wrong. God is loving, he's also a judgemental god and your day before Him is coming.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
There it is - "That's what we should be looking at."
What's this "we" BS? We aren't Christian - YOU are.
That's the real problem right there. Not the gays, not the trans, not abortion. It's Christians and other religious zealots who think they own the universe and everything in it.
Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if God deliberately put diversity in the universe specifically to remind zealots of their egotism, bigotry, and outright hubris - but I'm not a flaming jerk, so I I'm not going assume that actually applies to you.
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Carl Nicholas Frank
If you think Natural Law is the same as God's plan you should go back to school. Learn the history of what the Bible says and how the original version has been manipulated for religious group's purposes. And take your mental sickness BS somewhere else. It doesn't belong here.
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Tareq Asfour
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Tareq Asfour
Keith actually has a very good point. let’s be honest here,the so - called KJV Bible we have today 2023 is not the real true bible anyhow, since the occupation of Jerusalem by the 1st Emperor’s Cesar’s leading up to Cesar Constantine of Rome as he converted himself into the 1st pope solely using (pharisees Saul of Tarsus/St Paul a roman citizen & pharisees religious police officer of Rome and Simon/St Peters written scriptures in order save the whole Roman Empire from civil unrest riots from Jewish uprisings and his Roman citizens were coming apart rejecting Rome’s paganism and wanting to accepting into the new growing Saul’s vision religion after years of thousands bloodshed of people becoming new converts which became the new religion christianity and Emperor Constantine did remove allot of writings from followers of Yashewa/Jesus and other testimonials from hundreds of followers with the council of Nicaea the bible should be over 200 books as said written by my own families tree writers who are from philistines of Canaan(gaza) & Phoenician cedars of Baalbek(greater Syria/lebanon) My Asfour family clan is the Tribe of Judah, I don’t believe in European german Martin Lutheran he messed with up scriptures and created his own new man made religion protest - ant rebellion against Rome’s Empire Cesar’s Pope
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
To Tareq As four. I don't need your defense bashing my Church that we believe Jesus founded. You have bashed every aspect of our faith so I Don't need the likes of you and your wierd sense of history to bash mine. Sorry, but you fall into the same rut of secular relativism that they squander in. So please do not defend me at any cost. Thank you.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
Sorry. Bou most of the philosphers on natueal law would disagree with your reasoning. Nature even disagreeing in regards to a Supreme Entity established male and female. Any other difference is an aberration of what Nature intended. It didn't intend mental sickness of two of the same gender to go through the sexual acts which is for the whole purpose of reproduction. Survival of the fittest. The weak fall to the strong. I think two of the same gender fall into that category. It is totally sick mentally and physically. Animals which react on instinct alone may not and do not distinguish that but humans with reason do and should. Any idea that the aberrant act as reasonable animals goes against the act of reproduction should not be inclusive and should be dealt with accordingly.
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Seth Coleman King
Earthworms, sea horses, asexual plants….all in nature. This nature you point to also suffered dysphoria at the fall. Is your hypothesis formulated on the before or after stasis? We were originally created as male/female within one capsule, IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, whom is neither/nor yet both. I used to think like you. I don’t anymore but I understand why you do. These were just a few things among many that made me pause and go deeper. I do however believe that this is not a criteria for any foster or adoptive scenarios. We have thousands of years of history to support male/female parenting as a norm. It works and undeniably works well. Further, we need bot the the x and the y to proliferate so denying that is folly and does teeter on mental illness. Denying there is “other” in terms of loving existence and acceptance before Christ and Creator, is also contrary to the Gospel. “Whosoever will may come”.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Your proof is your book SCK.
My proof is the world.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
You don't even understand what you're talking about. Saying the name of God in vain is based on taking a vow then breaking it. Not cussing. I'll stop there.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
To Seth you.lake an excellent argument but as a Catholic mybthinking won't change. You let sinners in who refuse to repent you're condemning your very institution that has existed gor 2000 years and add the Jewish Faith for another 5000 years. I do believe in an evolution not literal faith. But the Scriptures are very clear. We are made in His Image. His Image was and is and will always be Jesus Christ. He knew you before you were formed in your mother's womb . Once conceived hat happens after that is a fluke. With toxic chemicals we put in our food can change our very being. That is not God's doing but ours. And this is what must stop. We play God when we change someone due to choosing another gender. I will never accept your way of thinking.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
https://library.fvtc.edu/GenderEducation/Variations
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Tareq Asfour
why are you removing my comments? That is not correct
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
If you go back to the major manuscripts there has been no manipulation. Really.
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Elizabeth Jane Erbe Wilcox
Kindly let us know where you obtained your medical degree. Sounds like it’s from Indoctrination University. Guessing you majored in hatred of those different from yourself. Your god would be ashamed of you.
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Carl Nicholas Frank
Acceptance, accepting, accept, Exceptance excepting, except.
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Gary Leu
I tire of the insincere and self-congratulatory, “love/embrace the sinner and hate/reject the sin” rhetoric I hear Christians and others use to justify their extreme interpretations of the teachings of Jesus. 1) That notion is not scriptural. Jesus was clear: you’re not too judge anyone; you’re not even to consider their sins but to consider the mote in your own eye. You’re too love everyone especially your enemies through your service. To Love is a verb. 2) if you claim to love the sinner, do they feel loved? If they feel rejected you have failed. I can imagine this philosophy working for many sins, but it does not work when you’re talking about sexual or gender identities. That’s simply rejecting the person. I know extreme Christians don’t see this. They think that being LGBTQ+ is like choosing a bad habit. They don’t get it. They don’t want to get it - which I think is antithetical to Christ’s message.
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
You are interpreting Scripture disregarding what Paul taught. Other passages that Jesus taught. But I doubt you've truly read your studied either old or new testaments. And you can look those up yourself because it would be a waste of my time
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Paul Andrew Breda
I've been a Christian all my life and am still looking for those "certain teachings that tell us not to accrpt certain groups or cultures into our faith." So for those seeking a spiritual home, I ask that you not conclude tht all Christians believe this, or buy into "love th sinner, hate the sin." Jesus acknowledged the prophets of the Old Testament (where these "certain truths" tend to reside) while showing us the life of love for the world as it is, which is the Creator's intention for us.
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Carl Bernard Elfstrom
I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic schools, was an altar boy, by far most of my known relatives are Catholics, two on the clergy, have known a lot of other Catholics, most of them straight, but some gay and other things, and never have I heard any of them voice opposition to the LGBTQ, or any of it's members. The Roman Catholic Christian sect, in and of itself may be opposed to it, but many of it's members are not. I think that's true of all kinds of people. It's an individual thing. People shouldn't use religion as an excuse to justify their own prejudisms, but some of them do so anyway, like the people this story is about, who wants to put the blame on something else. .
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Tareq Asfour
No disrespect to you, Rome Empire is still the longest ruling pagan empire headed by an Emperor Augustus Caesar Pope Jorge Mario Bergoglio nothing has changed since when the ottoman empire took over Jerusalem then Rome Empire got back Jerusalem after Roman British Empire crusaders regained it back from the ottoman’s empire of Constantinople/ modern day Turkey
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Keith Allen Steele Eash
To Carl, if Xatholics choose to.oppose their own Church's teaching then truly they are placing themselves outside of the Catholic Church. If I have some one who I know is practicing sin without the act of confession I will refuse communion. If a homosexual confesses butbreally shows no remorse for their sins and continues to act on it I will refuse communion. By his or her own act they have placed themselves outside of the Church. They have excommunicated themselves. My giving them communion when others know of their sin and lack of remorse only creates a scandel only on my part and I am only adding to their sin and mine by creating scandel.
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Kenneth: Curiosity: do you believe in everything the World Economic Forum supports. I want to see if you condemn their beliefs. Do you support population control and bringing it down to a balance of control of 2 billion ?
Do you support zero carbon emissions? Do you support zero population growth? I want to hear you tell the complete truuth.
The complete truuth is you just parroted every talking point of the alt-right conspiracy brotherhood.
And then they told you how smart and independent you are, and you believed that too.
And you just answered my questions. Sale gaslighting response any leftist plant and troll would answer. Why are you truly here? You truly do not represent this organization or anything it believes in doing. All you have done is continue to berate, bash, teardown anyone of a religious faith. And you still can't truthfully answer my questions without a gaslighting response. Which proves to me you really do not represent this religious organization promoting respect for each other. You cannot truthfully answer those questions. Because I'll tell you anyone who supports the Great Reset by definition truly doesn't belong in here. You truly can't believe in leftist ideology lock, stock, and barrel and remain in here calling every person who believes in Gid, Allah, Buddha, Bramha, Confucius, or even atheist would bash anyone. You xan differ with someone by not calling them a bigot, or mythological idiot, etc.
You have truly exposed yourself by not answering my questions. But, I still would like a truthful answer . Not an accusation that I espouse everything from the right. I am a free thinker and a traditional Catholic who embraces Vaticn Two. As an American I truly embrace the Constitution . And I will say I believe present administration is nothing more but a side of a shadow government. Obamanation is truly calling the shots. Any president and party who doesn't support the very system we live under regarding the Constitution is an enemy of the people and a traitor and should pay the price. The left under the WEF doesn't represent the freedom loving people of the world. And neither do you. You can't support the mutilation of children, open borders, a proxy war in Ukraine when the presentvadministration has bern exposed getting paybacks from them through out the past decade. And Lahaina is a prime example of a unlawful attempt to take over the land of indigenous Hawaiians. It's becoming evident . Peopke are speaking out. So truthfully, be honest and answer my questions. You have exposed yourself..you can't be honest and admit you profess these things which goes even against this very organization.
The truth is that you are going to believe whatever you want to believe. See 'confirmation bias'.
This is what makes your questions, and your views, and your comments... silly.