An Army chaplain who called transgender troops “mentally unfit” for “rejecting reality” on Facebook will not be reprimanded, his lawyers say.
Major Andrew Calvert made the controversial comments on an Army Times Facebook post about President Biden ending former President Trump’s ban on transgender troops in the US military. He went so far as to compare transgender people to "flat-earthers".
Someone took notice and reported Calvery to his superiors. Facing a career-ending reprimand, Calvert lawyered up, arguing that reprimanding him would be tantamount to religious discrimination.
Bigotry or Biology
“How is rejecting reality (biology) not evidence that a person is mentally unfit (ill), and thus making that person unqualified to serve,” Calvert’s post began. “There is little difference in this than over those who believe and argue for a “flat earth” despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”
In April, Calvert received a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand (GOMOR) after it was determined that he violated a Defense Department directive on proper online conduct.
“We direct our soldiers to ‘Think, Type, Post’ when engaging in conversations on social media platforms and to follow DoD policies and regulations. When our online conduct does not follow these rules and regulations, we investigate and hold individuals accountable if they are found to be in violation,” stated Army Maj. Jefferson T. Grimes.
Calvert’s attorneys, the nonprofit First Liberty Institute, see it very differently. They helped Calvert appeal on First Amendment grounds, arguing that he’s well within his legal rights to express his “sincerely held religious belief.”
Despite issuing the initial reprimand, the US Army now seems to agree with that point of view. According to Calvert’s lawyers, they’ve wiped his record clean – and naturally, they’re celebrating: “no service member should ever be punished because of their religious beliefs.”
Word War, Too
Not everyone’s so happy about Maj. Calvert’s newly-saved career.
Mikey Weinstein, founder of Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), didn’t mince his words when condemning the “absolutely repulsive, illicit bigotry and pervasive prejudice spewing from the twisted, poisonous social media ‘mouth’ of U.S. Army Chaplain (Maj) Andrew Calvert."
Weinstein contends that such language should not be protected. “Calvert has absolutely NO First Amendment right to disgorge such malicious libel against transgender people... as his actions are horribly injurious to the American military’s good order, morale, discipline and unit cohesion,” he stated.
It appears that the US Army doesn’t agree with the MRFF on this one.
Where do you stand? Should members of the military be permitted to speak out about their religious views, even when those words cause offense?
186 comments
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Vicky Marie Newsome Hogan
Why is nearly every story on here about LGBT or Trans people. I am a transexual woman and I am sick to death of my right to exist on here. There’s so many more pressing issues to debate, please explain why.
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Pastor~HP~Sister Beth
She should NOT have lost her job. Period. It’s religious bigotry at its best. I give her kudos for suing this Church. Especially after SIX years in service to them.
I do have one caveat though. But first, I need to preface it by stating that I am the mother of a man who happens to be gay. I have taught him to stand up for his rights as a human being - he earned those rights the day he was born.
For the record, neither who we love nor gender are in the body parts. Gender is in the brain. Case and point: what do we tell someone born with hermaphroditism? No doubt many parents would be utterly shocked at this type of birth circumstance, but that child didn’t have a choice anymore than any other child. And as any child grows up, we ALL know we are different in one way or another, even if we don’t understand it right away. That being said…
My son was clearly born attracted to men, as evidenced by his childhood, and things that he said or did during those times that were not planned on his part. As he got older he really struggled with this part of his identity, thinking about committing suicide at one point, until he met a female friend who was also gay. Together they worked out that it was okay to be who they were born to be.
I love my son and support him 100%. I also understand, because of my son, why living who you are “out loud” is so important. It wasn’t until he finally became comfortable with himself that he actually started to live his life in peace. And for that I am very grateful. 🙏🏻
We ALL DESERVE to live our lives in peace with who we are. Society is slowly but surely beginning to realize the heart of this matter. As ministers, I truly believe we should be on the front lines of this subject, standing beside our brothers and sisters, supporting their spiritual needs. That’s our job. Leave the job of judgement up to God.
But here is my caveat…. Regardless of who you are, where you are from, or where you are going, there are many situations in life where one might want to thoroughly think through their actions - BEFORE taking that big step. No matter what that step is, you should work through some very possible negative consequences first. Then ask yourself… What is my purpose for wanting to take this step, at this time, with these people present??? Is it worth it? Can I accept any and all possible consequences? Because we never have a choice about what those consequences will be. Consequences are up to God and The Fates.
And now I repeat myself… she SHOULD NOT have been fired. This is the 21st Century. Human rights are protected. Freedom of religion is also protected, but Human Rights are first and foremost - at least they are here in the U.S.
Be Blessed ♥️🐝
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Richard Michael Salvatore
Outstanding Major!!!!! EXCELLENT 👍 GUNNERY SERGEANT RICHARD SALVATORE RET. U.S.M.C.
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Richard Michael Salvatore
OUTSTANDING SIR !!!!!!! RET. GUNNERY SERGEANT RICHARD SALVATORE. U.S.M.C. OUTSTANDING !!!!!!!!!
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Mikhael Severin Yowe
One very important thing that everyone here seems to have forgotten is this. When you raise your hand and take your oath to the United States military, you give up all your rights as a US citizen. You then have to follow the military rules and regulations that you gave an oath to defend along with the US Constitution. You don't have 1st amendment rights, You don't have religious freedoms. You are a soldier in the military industrial machine. You have to follow the rules, period.
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Christian
That is not correct. Every Military person is bound to uphold the Constitution and defend the Bill of Rights. They maintain all rights & are required to honor them far more than civilians. They take the Oath to obey Lawful Orders, only, and respectfully Reject Unlawful Orders. The Oath & Contract is Their Free Will choice to follow, the demands and restrictions of military life is their choice. There is no 'have to' when they volunteer for Service to the Constitution. Religion & Belief are upheld and protected in the military, for all cooperating systems, Middle East mythology, Asian mythology, European mythology, Native American mythology, African mythology - and all the rest, including atheism are all accepted.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
Not at all true, by the contract signed, any person who serves in any of the branches of the armed forces is legally property of the U.S. government, quite literally the definition of a slave, to be a person owned by another person or organization. And then even once ones term of active service is up, the contract has a clause that allows for the remainder of their life, them to be compelled back into service in times of national need.
Once that contract is signed, you are forever theirs.
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Minister Mike
Sorry, IImenheru, but in the US it is illegal for an individual or business or government agency to own a human being. I was never a slave, never owned.
Do you have a link to the contract you refer to? I signed five enlistment contracts during my military career, but none of them contained a clause that allows them to recall me to service for the remainder of my life. I guess it could have changed in the 30+ years since I retired, but I don't think so.
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Sandra
I find it hilarious that the chaplain in question likened supporting transgender people to adhering to a "flat earth" belief when it was the church who initially used biblical texts to prove the Earth was flat! Copernicus and Galileo would have a good chuckle, or not.
Wait a bit longer and we'll have even more medical/scientific evidence that being transgender has a biological basis. Religious dogma usually lags behind scientific discoveries.
But this chaplain should never have posted his clearly inflammatory remarks on social media. Anyone in military leadership needs to weigh the effect of their words on unit cohesion and readiness. His comments undermined both. Free speech does have limits in a military context. A junior can't publicly disrespect a senior even if he has a "sincerely held religious belief" that the senior is an idiot.
As the ULC states, "We are all children of the same universe." Blessings to all, Retired [transgender] military officer.
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William Wiegartz
I feel that God created everyone equal no matter there trans gender . I would marry a couple of the same sex cuase like I said said we are all Gods creature only that we worship him before any other Gods. I would consel them just like anyone else to make sure they were ment to be together. So God bless America and everyone on this earth
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Najib Muslim-El
No, He should not be punished. Its called freedom of speech. You can not punish a person for having an opposing view. SMH
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Minister Mike
Are you saying that there should be no boundaries on a person's speech; that they can say anything they like anytime they like?
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Ilmenheru Terikson
When you are lower rank in the military, then yes Najib you will say what I tell you to say, think what I tell you to think, jump when I tell you jump, and if need be fight and die if that is the order given. I would personally put a bullet in any man in the field who failed to follow any and every order given to the best of their ability. Anything less is an act that will compromise and endanger the rest of the unit.
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Nicholas J Page
Major your not fit to do god's work.I have worked side by side with the.Military Police and MOD POLICE.not one person talked anything about religion.As a serving officer you keep your opinions to yourself.Do not judge or preach.We have military padres in Aldershot Garrison and they talk about anything but religion.As a UK Minister myself I do not preach or judge anyone.That it's supposed to be.
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Shirley Ajayi-Carroll
Straight or gay, don't push me to the point where I am going to get violent.
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Shirley Ajayi-Carroll
I don't care if they are gay or straight, just don't be pushy with their new beliefs. Freedom of thoughts or beliefs. Isisah 55:8-11
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Allen Haas
Honorable discharge. Wearing the uniform means accepting the rules and regulations of whatever branch you serve. U.S. armed forces expect and demand that all uniformed soldiers do. I don't agree with him personally or from a standpoint of morals or theology but I respect his right as a citizen to express his point of view. Not in the military. He can pastor a church outside a military installation where he is free to preach.
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Reverend Steve
America is not a theocracy. This is a secular nation -by design, with considerable forethought, given the fact that the Cathjolic Inquisition was still very much in force in Europe in the 18th century. Religious "Kangaroo" courts abounded and witch burnings and other gruesome public tortures were everywhere. American constitutionalists were deliberate in outlawing "cruel and unusual punishments" and also vowed to "Make no law respecting any religion." The current, bogus, faux-Christian ethos regarding hate speech, discrimination, prejudice and hostility to those who believe differently are not merely antithetical to EVERYTHING Jesus taught, but they are also distinctly un-American and do not in any way supercede U.S. constitutional principles and secular law. No matter how many times I read the bible - whether in Latin or Greek or German or the original Hebrew I can find nothing said by Jesus condemning homosexuality or abortion, or gay marriage, or adoption. These favorite flashpoints of America's make-believe "christians" are inventions This garbage is promulgated from the pulpit by virtue of ignorance and mendacity; and the misreading of any one of the current 148 KJV-based, linguistically corrupted, phenomenally mis-translated products of numerous unholy, whimsical and capricious Councils of Nicea, peopled and administered by political hacks and theological ne'er do wells. Too many American so-called "Christians" have NEVER read a single word of The Bible because they don't read Hebrew - hell, 40 million of them can't read at all and the rest, studies show, read on an 8th grade level. Condcordances are too often reliably unreliable. American Christianity is to faithful worship of Jesus about as closely as the American version of the English language is to the mother toungue as articualted in Great Britain's educated venues. But American law is American law, and under it, any fool, miscreant or certified villain can call himself a Christian.
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Sandra
applause
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Reverend Steve
Thank you
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Rob Johnson
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness not a choice. If you are a man thinking you are a woman you are mentally ill.
The transgender craze in merely another leftist indoctrination scheme to brainwash the idiots we call youth today.
A prime example is Dr Richard Levine assistant HHS sec. He is a proponent of hormone blocking drugs for children as young as 5. No kid at that has any idea of gender,sex at that age.
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Minister Mike
It's a mental disorder, not an illness. An illness is a term used to describe an unwell or unhealthy state of mind or body. Gender dysphoria is not a condition of being unwell or unhealthy.
By your lack of knowledge one might logically conclude you are mentally ill, but most would consider you just ignorant, which can be cured.
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Tom
Can you provide any evidence to support either of these claims?: "Gender dysphoria is a mental illness not a choice. If you are a man thinking you are a woman you are mentally ill." "No kid at that has any idea of gender,sex at that age [5]."
From personal experience, I can tell you that I was aware of my gender/sex/sexual attraction before I was 5. I'm certainly not going to say that everyone has had the same experience as I have but I'm also not going to tell a child that they aren't aware of their feelings.
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Angel
Science would suggest otherwise. I would suggest you assume less and reseach more because your ignorance is very apparent.
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William J Lewis
Beliefs are just that, they aren't truths, they are beliefs.
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Michelle Mclaughlin
If he is a Christian Chaplain-he did correct! Being Christ-like he should be compelled to tell people when they aren’t living up to Christian standards. The Bible lists the standards. People did believe the world was flat BEFORE they were educated to the truth.
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Rabbi Francine MacHotka
In military law, if the president who is commander in chief, allows transgender soldiers, the chaplain can’t take an individual unilateral opinion against all transgender soldiers. I don’t agree.
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Christian
He literally is the only military person that can promote Mythological and Religious worldviews, that is literally the function of his career, the care and guidance of military souls and spiritual life. If he is stating his religious beliefs from his mythological worldview, then he is within the context of his function.
You can put a FlatEarth person in a rocket and fly them around in orbit of the planet Earth... if they still believe Earth is flat after orbiting a sphere, they are following their belief system, which is different from observable reality.
A choice of fitness is usually determined on an individual level. To make blanket statements about whole groups of people is not how the individual fitness test is performed.
While in military service, individuals are put in biological male or female barricks, and there are no exceptions. All activity is group activity, including showers & facilities, living in tents, etc. How the Pentagon manages people is to maintain order and protect individuals to the best of their ability. Combat makes no selection in who gets injured or killed. Body armor is shaped to fit as best it can. Explosions crush internal hollow organs such as bladder & lungs, drowning soldiers in their own blood, their brains ripped inside their helmets, crushed by the pressure wave of the explosion. Death does not concern itself with what people call themselves. Death is sudden or slow and drawn out, painful and brutal.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
A christian degenerate like this soldier sure has no room to talk that is for damn sure. Flat Earthers are more like Christians,Jews, and Muslims in my book. Hell Scientologists are saner than the lot of them.
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John Norris Campbell
We've all seen your book dude... and I don't read comic books anymore.
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Sidney Thomas Rimmington
Is there no room for normal people anymore? I'm fed up with perverts shouting everyone down. What happened to the straight and narrow path to God?
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James Pace
Straight and narrow? You do understand this is ULC where we honor ALL paths and views.
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Rev. Jonathan Peebles
Who are you referring to as perverts? People who believe they are something are something than you do? Homosexuals? Science tells us they are born this why so how does that make them perverts and there are too many perverts who molest children in the Christian church; esp the Catholic church and yet they are normal people?
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Rob Johnson
Pope francis recently published an encyclical titled "de anus sorem" addressing the pedos in the catholick church. He changed the name of priest's residence from rectory to rectumry.
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John Norris Campbell
That's actually pretty clever! You made me smile...what a world!
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John Norris Campbell
Who's really to judge that MAPS (Minor Attracted People) are perverts anymore? And upon what morals do you place that judgement? Yes, I'm playind 'devils advocate' only to make a point, the floodgates of sexual immorality have been blasted wide open and there is no one to close them. It's like trying to get the toothpaste back in the tube...The MAP crowd say they were born that way, much like some other groups we've all been hearing about lately.
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Minister Mike
Sidney, which god? Describe the paths.
There is no straight and narrow path to god, any god. Never has been. Never will be.
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John Norris Campbell
Well seeing as how I 'self identify' as a 5 star General and chief of U.S. Naval Operations and as such, am the highest ranking military adviser to the president of the U.S. you can imagine my dismay when the guards at the White House decided I needed a mental evaluation instead of chatting with the Biden Team about funding for a Unicorn ranch. Even though I pointed out to them they were just Trump supporting Bigots that kick puppies, they still made me leave..
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Minister Mike
Trump already formed a Unicorn Branch and named it the Space Force.
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John Norris Campbell
An Army Chaplain, much like a prison Chaplain may have a personal belief system, but it is one not shared openly. The job is for spiritual guidence of the many different belief systems under his charge. I remember there being a satanist who also had the job as an army chaplin but kept his belief to himself. The DoD instruction 1300.17 states "in furtherance of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Ammendment it will accommodate individual expressions of sincerly held beliefs--provided there are no adverse impacts on military readiness and unit cohesion...such beliefs can include moral principles and religious beliefs..This law, known as RFRA, was introduced by good ole Chuck Schumer,D-NY. An officer is one who conducts themselves within the confines of lawful conduct.
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Angel
I agree, the chaplin at the prison I worked out conducted many different ceremonies, sermons, ect to accomidate different beliefs. If he wasn't accustomed to the belief system, he would network with other religious organizations to bring them in and set up meetings. (Within prison policies of course). He even organized this for the few Wiccan follwer's as well. He viewd his job as the councilor and providing a rich diversity to ensure the spiritual fulfillment of all of them reguardless of their belief system again, within reason lol. He networked with outside organizations for services when inmates were getting close to being released. He just loved people and wanted to make sure they had what they needed. And when your dealing with such a diverse group of people, your beliefs should go out the window and be open minded enough to support all that you have been entrusted in takingcare of.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
Before commenting list to Emily Quinn. Is she a man or is he a women? She was born as a man and a women. He/she tells what it is like growing up and a man/women or women/man. She is not alone. One out of every 200 of us have a condition like hers/his.
https://www.ted.com/talks/emily_quinn_the_way_we_think_about_biological_sex_is_wrong/transcript?language=en
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Minister Mike
The guy has a constitutional right to speak his mind whether based on religion or any other form of hatred or stupidity. However, no one will ever convince me that such attitudes are religious based beliefs.
The only encouraging thing about this report is that Calvert's career doesn't need an official reprimand for his career to be over. The Chaplain Corps in any individual branch or even putting them all together, is a very small community with very a very long community memory. He will not be promoted if the board convened to consider promotions for those of his rank take no action to recommend him.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry Mike, they cannot punish him, free speech and all that stuff that some people seem to forget about.
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Minister Mike
And he won't be rewarded by any promotion board. His career is, basically, over. Good lord willing.
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Daniel Gray
then I guess you have not read the Army Times as he IS up for promotion. Just another slap in the face to people like you.
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Minister Mike
Being "up" for promotion does not mean he will be selected/promoted. One would think, based your claims of service, you would know that. Go figure.
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Daniel Gray
And unless you have something in your file that prohibits you from being promoted, the chances are better then 99% that you WILL be promoted if they need you. And so far you have not read Stars and Stripes have you? He was just notified that his promotion was approved. Guess that shows that you dont know what you are talking about as if you ever did serve you would know this is how it works. How else would a person who was a PFC in AIT and was sent into a combat zone, make it to SSG in less then 6 months? Its called a field grade promotion. And that was an example to prove your ignorance.
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Minister Mike
What date and edition of Stars and Stripes?
Depends on number of vacancies. Traditionally, during peacetime, that means about 35% of Second Lieutenants get promoted to Lieutenant.
In this case, from Major (Chaplain Calvert) to Lt Colonel, only 8% are promoted. But, that is entire force. Army Chaplain corps numbers about 2700 members, and I'm sure ya'll can do the math. Those numbers are far cry from what mr. stolen valor incorrectly claims (99%)
Thing is, there are seldom as many actual openings as there are selected candidates, even ins understaffed corps such as the Chaplain Corps. Even if Calvert were the number one candidate on paper, that does not guarantee he will be selected. As already pointed out, the Chaplain Corp is a small, tight-knit community with a long corporate memory. Comments he made pretty much preclude further promotions.
But, hey, that's my opinion based on my military service and experience with Chaplains. If he's promoted there's nothing I can do about it. My hope, is, however, that his record is permanently buried because there's enough bigotry within religion.
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Daniel Gray
whats wrong Mikey? admitting that you cant use a search engine? Typical.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
The douche bag must be confident he will never be deployed to some FoB. The Armed Forces have a long proud career of friendly fire finding those among the ranks who are so scummy.
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Daniel Gray
No turkey that would be you as you would never make it past boot let alone with your mouth not get a dishonorable discharge if you did make it past boot.
I find it so amusing that people like you who have never served seemingly think you know more then the ones who have or are serving now, or what the rules are that they must follow
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Minister Mike
DG: if you say so, mr. stolen valor.
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Daniel Gray
You are the liar claiming 5 DD214's when your Superiors in the pentagon and MILPERCEN are saying there has never been ANYONE in the history of the US Military that was given 5 DD214's.
You can call all the names you want, but I have challenged you to prove it. I gave you my name and my unit and where I was stationed. All you have given is made up dates. Whats wrong Mikey? upset because if you tried to give a real unit it would prove that you never were in the military?
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Daniel Gray
Look up Block 12 (a-i) on your fictional DD214 and you will see it shows EVERY term of your imagined service, how long and where.. Even the DD214 form is calling you a liar.
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Katelynne Shouse
Well, he's an ignorant dumbass who's spreading nothing but inaccurate non-medical non-scientific non-psychiatric information around.......he needs to be tossed from the armed services!
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David Arthur Lewis
This is a clear case of Conduct Unbecoming an Officer.
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Daniel Gray
Actually it is not according to the UCMJ and the 1st Amendment. What is conduct unbecoming is Maj. Jefferson T. Grimes. He had absolutely NO authority to make the statement he did nor did he have the authority to go though The Army Times and charge him as there is still a thing called free speech and that is what overturned this idiot Majors claim. And sorry since I was IN the military and retired from same I know the UCMJ a whole lot better then you ever will.
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Minister Mike
No way, D Gray, you ever wore a uniform or served in any branch of US Military. You are a liar.
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Daniel Gray
Really faker? I am a lifetime member of the Disabled American Veterans and the ONLY way you can even become a member is IF you were injured during a time of National Emergency or War according to the congressional mandate/charter. I have been a member for well over 35 years. Strike 1
I am a PIF member (Paid in Full/lifetime) of the American Legion and have been one for almost 20 years. Strike 2
I am a Lifetime member of the American Veterans (AmVets) and a high ranking officer at my local post (1st Vice Commander, meaning I am in charge if the Commander is away) As well as having close contact with the District and State Commanders and a few on the National Committee Strike 3.
I am a life member/prior service of the Veterans of Foreign Wars and have been one since 1980. You are REQUIRED to show your DD214 BEFORE they will even consider you for membership in ANY of these military groups so they can know you are not a faker like you are. Strike 4
My DD214 clearly says on page 2 that I was injured during a time of National Emergency or War Or are you going to call the US Pentagon a liar now?. They were going to issue people like me that suffer from PTSD from combat a Purple Heart, that is until so many of us said we wont accept it because the brothers that came home with limbs missing deserve it more then we ever would. Strike 5
I took my Airborne training at Ft Gordon Ga and I was assigned to Ft Campbell to the 101st Airborne 22nd Combat Charlie Company. My MOS was 89 Delta Explosive Ordinance Disposal. Since you are a simpleton and a liar, here I will make it easy for you...I made things go BOOM. I was cross trained in weapons and unarmed hand to hand combat and I an a certified Jump Master as I got my 30 jumps in to qualify to wear that badge. Strike 6
Now you can take your foot out of your mouth and your head out of your dark and stinky! Or do you want me to continue to show what a liar and faker you are?
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Minister Mike
I don't believe a word you say.
But, school me, provide evidence such as life member membership numbers for those organizations so it can be verified.
Your litany of self importance reads like so many other's in the stolen valor category.
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Daniel Gray
I stated fact YOU are the one who is trying to claim 5 DD-214s when the MILPERCEN is calling you a liar. Or are you just upset that you were caught in a lie and proved as much thus making you look like the fool you are.
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Minister Mike
Didn't think you would because you can't.
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Daniel Gray
I gave you the info Mikey, your imagined dd214 shows on block 12 (a-i) your enlistment dates if you have more then one. Since you seemingly think otherwise now the form as well as the Pentagon and the MILPERCEN are all calling you a liar.
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David Arthur Lewis
Well then General, if bigotry is enshrined in your so-called "code of justice", then it is past time to change that code to reflect American values like Liberty and Justice for ALL.
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Daniel Gray
well then "fool" have the Congress do it or change it as you cant and there isnt a thing you can do about it
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David Arthur Lewis
The article does not mention what religion this chaplain represents, but from his tone I would guess that it's either Evangelical Protestant Christianity or Fundamentalist Sunni Islam. But whether or not he has a "God-given right" to insult his subordinates, promote discrimination, and damage esprit de corps is immaterial. This is a clear case of conduct unbecoming an officer, and he should at the very least be demoted and transferred to a less desirable post.
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Minister Mike
Why just those two? There are Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and other religious sects are just as set against facts as any other religion. Islam and Christianity do not own a monopoly on bigotry.
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David Arthur Lewis
Those folks use different vocabulary because they hold to a fundamentally different belief system. That's why. Knowledge, not bigotry.
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rebadams7
In the military, the mission is paramount. Anything that can distract your mental readyness for the mission is an item of concern. It is impressed upon the service members that they should do all that they can to be fully focused on the mission when on duty. Their life, the lives of others on their team and innocent civilians may depend on it. There are many conditions that require regular medication and treatment that remove persons for consideration for military service. This is not the general population, this is the military, and it is a different cadre than any other job. You can't just go home when you want. Appying civiian standards to a military situation is problematic at best.
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Minister Mike
During 21 years in the US military, a career that included two combat tours in Vietnam, I don't recall any concerns about what type of plumbing a fellow infantryman carried around beneath his uniform. There is no evidence that being LGBTQ or any other letter of the alphabet inhibits a soldier's ability to perform their duty or that they cause any other soldier to lag in the performance of theirs. Soldiers soldier or they are moved out.
There is, however, ample evidence that intolerant, fear-filled bigots and racists are the cause of most of the problems of lack of unit cohesion and readiness.
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Robert Wilson
Minster mike
I was in military too.I agree with you. Rev robert wilson
God bless
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Daniel Gray
sure both of you were...in what the military version of the Boy scouts? With your attitudes neither of you would have lasted past AIT let alone be assigned anywhere
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Ilmenheru Terikson
I do not even begin to fathom why you think citing being in the Marines, a military faction well known to create degenerate war criminals so savage they are prone to rape their own. Then again DG considering you have spoken of raping and abusing as if these are god given rights of yours, we all know exactly what kind of deplorable degenerate you are.
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Daniel Gray
because Turkey, he never said that only you claimed he said that. Nice try with the smoke and mirrors and failing badly
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Daniel Gray
Oh and Turkey, I dont know how you seemingly think that the 101st Airborne is in the Marines.m Look it up, they are and always have been in the US ARMY. Just goes to show that english and comprehension is foreign to you
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Minister Mike
Still waiting for you to provide your evidence that five DD-214's are not possible. Link to the archive's rule, or any other regulation, that states that - section, page, and paragraph. If it exists. (hint: it doesn't)
You're just another case of stolen valor trying to cover it up by telling lies about others. "...Stolen Valor Act of 2013, making it a crime punishable by up to one year in jail to make false claims about military service and awards with the intent of seeking monetary gain, employment or other benefits available to veterans."
https://www.archives.gov/oig
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Daniel Gray
Sorry liar, I can prove everything I have said with copies of my DD214 from the US Army as well as my TDY orders from Ft Campbell.
Unlike you what I am saying is true.
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Minister Mike
Your claims about your DD-24 were not called into question. YOU, however, repeatedly call me and other liars based on YOUR claim that MILPERCEN regulations state a member cannot have 5 separate 214's.
You have been asked to provide evidence, such a link to the specific regulation you reference, or the chapter, page and paragraph of it, yet you repeatedly obfuscate and refuse to provide proof beyond your own words.
So, tell us, mr. stolen valor, what is your real name so this thread and your claims can be provided to NARA (https://www.archives.gov/oig/investigations.html).
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Daniel Gray
I stated exactly what MILPERCEN and the US Pentagon Department of the Army said. Now if you have proof to show they dont know what they are talking about then mikey PROVE IT. Otherwise people are going to have to accecpt the words of the Records keepers and the US Department of the Army in the pentagon as well as the public affairs office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. You got caught in your own lies Mikey and spamming the thread making false accusations when they can easily be proved as lies by contacting the places I posted, is not going to help you and in fact is going to prove that you are lying. Poor thing, caught in your own lies with your own words.
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Brien
Mr. Gray, as a service member, detached, I only hope that you are not. Anyone as confused, full of hate, and emotionally challenged as you should never have received combat training.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry Brian, someone who refuses to accept reality as you clearly do should not even be allowed into the military
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Teej Johnson
Okay, so if a transgendered person is fit for military service, they should serve, if not, they shouldn't. You can't stop them from serving solely on the basis that they're transgendered, it doesn't really make much sense because you don't know how fit they are.
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Daniel Gray
Yes you can. If they are being housed in a barracks with other natural women and its causing strife in the Unit, then the item that is causing strife in the unit is removed. Case closed.
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Minister Mike
When a transgendered soldier is billeted with non transgendered soldiers, any strife is caused by the the bigots such as Calvert and, apparently you. That tired false argument was used when the US Military was racially integrated, and when women were first allowed into combat roles.
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Daniel Gray
thats not how it works and its clear you have obviously NOT served in the military. IF you had then you would not be so stupid to call unit cohesion as bigoted.
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Minister Mike
Daniel Gray: I'll match any of my five DD-214's against yours.
Learn to read. I did not call unit cohesion bigoted. I stated that any strife in a unit facing this kind of issue is caused by the bigots. You know, the ones like you.
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Daniel Gray
FIVE DD214's? Now I know you are lying! At BEST you may and I STRESS MAY have had 2, but 5? Nobody in the History of the US in the last 240 years has had five dd214's faker. That is unless you are calling the Military personnel records center in St Louis a liar (Milpercen) and since they keep the records of EVERY military person who has ever served, I would trust them far more then I do anything you say.
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Donald Ray Maranell
I retired from the Navy after 20 years of service as an enlisted man and an officer. I have 5 DD214s, one for each period that I was sworn in for an enlistment or accepting my commission and one when I retired. DG did you only serve my enlistment? You are wrong (In so many ways).
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Daniel Gray
Sorry but MILPERCEN clearly states that NOBODY has 5 DD-214's. MILPERCEN is located at Address: 1 Archives Dr, St. Louis, MO 63138 314-801-0800 or their fax number is Fax: 314-801-9195
Contact them and ask them and they will tell you the exact same thing. The ONLY time you would get a new DD-214 is if you started in one branch of the military and then left and went to a different branch of the Military.
Again I will believe them since they DEAL with the records then I would someone saying or claiming they have 5 different dd-214s
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Minister Mike
I don't need to ask anyone, because I have five different DD-214's, one for each enlistment. But, school me -provide a link to MILPERCEN's statement that nobody has 5 DD-214's. Or quote the applicable "rule" page & paragraph. Or even give me the name of the person who told you.
So far you've lied, and all the facts you've provided are easily found online. More stolen valor.
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Daniel Gray
Sorry Mikey, Military Personnel Records Center, the same people who have the records of ALL military members who have served, are calling you a liar. Now refute them if you can as they have the records to prove what they say.
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Minister Mike
One for each enlistment, moron. So much for your familiarity with the military.
Again - I will match ANY OF MY FIVE (5) DD-214'S against yours. Name the date, provide your home address and I'll be there with all five. Unless your just another loud-mouthed wannabe-hero coward.
And, actually, the personnel records center less than 10 miles from my home) does not keep the records of every military member who served. The fire wiped out a good portion of WWII records in 1973.
MPRC is an archive, not a rule-making organization. They have no control over how many DD-214's an individual earns, or any other record submitted to them vis a vis a retired or former military member.
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Daniel Gray
And the Military Personnel Records Center (MILPERCEN) say you are FULL OF IT as NOBODY has five dd-214s in their records, and the Pentagon says the same thing. So unless you are calling them a liar, then we know who the liar really is since MILPERCEN actaully HAS the records from every military member that has served in peacetime or war. Now try and refute them.
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Robert Edward Szekely
Shut up Daniel. Everyone on here sees that your bluster hides that you're an idiot full of BS. Give it up, you add no meaningful insights to this dialogue, troll.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
He has also quite literally said in previous articles forums that he abuses children, and has fantasies of raping his sister and mother that are what actually lead him to his faith as he sought faith and the church to help him quell those desires, but stated he still has them, and if we actually convince him his god is not real would go rape and murder with no remorse.
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Daniel Gray
Again Turkey, nobody needs to know what you do to children, yet the police are seriously looking at you
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Daniel Gray
whats wrong Robert? mad because you cant refute anything I have said and it destroys your little bubble of your fantasy?
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Minister Mike
Still waiting for you to quote and link to the rules/regulations your claim exist, mr. stolen valor.
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Daniel Gray
still waiting for you to show proof of your mythical 5 DD214's when even the Pentagon and the MILPERCEN is calling you a liar.
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Minister Mike
You're making the claim, stolen valor, not me. What edition and date? You said it, I only challenge the veracity.
How's this: First one issued 1973 Second one issued 1977 Third: 1981 Fourth: 1985 Fifth: 1991
Your turn: what specific regulation states a member cannot have five DD-214's?
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Minister Mike
Very doubtful, mr. stolen valor, that anyone in either organization or building said anything even close to what you claim they told you. They have no way of knowing if I am full of it, or gas, or anything else.
For the umpteenth time, MIPERCEN does not have records for every military member. Many were lost in the fire of 1973, mostly WWI veterans, but others, too.
Come on, stolen valor, give us a link to these rules. Or just state the regulation, section and paragraph. Why is that so difficult for you?
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Daniel Gray
Again Mikey, making up dates does not help you in any way. And I am still waiting for you to state exactly how you seem to think that you know more then the pentagon who tells the soldiers where to go, and MILPERCEN who keeps the records and after action reports as well as any medals or awards each service member received. I am trying my best to think of how these two are wrong and you are correct when they know more about you then you know about yourself. But ok, I TOLD you what unit I was with and where I was stationed, all you are doing is making a claim and giving fake dates and expecting people to just accept your lies.
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Daniel Gray
I wish I didnt have to destroy you like this but if ANYONE in this thread actually has a military member in their family that served after 1950, then get their DD214 and look at block 12 section (A) through (I) and it will tell you EVERY DATE that they served and for how long where and when they got out. And this is all on ONE DD214, not 5 as mikey the liar likes to claim. As a matter of fact 12d: Total of all active military service and/or continuous active service. Block 12e tells you all the time in between active service if and with you mikey thats a very BIG if, you entered the service more then once. So Tomphson at MILPERCEN and Major Rogers at the Pentagon, US Department of the Army, are correct and you mikey have just been destroyed and proved a major liar. Not to mention that now nobody can trust a darn thing you say even if you told them the sky was blue on a sunny day. You brought this on your self with your mouth and lies, now live with the results.
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Teej Johnson
"veterans may be issued more than one DD 214 depending on the nature of their military career including those who have left the service only to return later"
From what it looks like, it's entirely possible to get 5 of these forms if you leave the service only to return later. You didn't destroy anyone, you're way out of your depth Mr Stolen Valor
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Daniel Gray
Sorry tejas, you are wrong yet AGAIN
Look up Block 12 (a-i) on ANY DD214 and you will see it shows EVERY term of service, how long and where.. Even the DD214 form is calling you a liar.
So since you clearly have never served, please do us all a major favor and stop talking about things you clearly know nothing about
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Teej Johnson
Lol, on the military benefits website:
"but veterans may be issued more than one DD 214 depending on the nature of their military career including those who have left the service only to return later, those who go into the Guard or Reserve after active duty"
I think I trust it more than I trust you because your "evidence" doesn't really refute what multiple far more reliable sources are saying.
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Daniel Gray
And yet again the Military is calling you a liar. Look at blocks 12 (a-i) and it will tell you all the times you were in the service as well as how long. Jeeze do you wonder where the music comes from when you walks outside on a windy day?
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Teej Johnson
That's not evidence dude. You can get multiple DD-214's while they also list when and where you served. You're not refuting any of the points made, in fact, this is your interpretation of the paperwork. You're not any expert in this, the military benefits info website is. They say you can get multiple DD-214s, I trust them more than I trust you, some random person on the internet.
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Teej Johnson
And by your logic, the military benefits info site is calling YOU a liar.
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Daniel Gray
LOOK at Block 12 (a-i) and you will see I am CORRECT! So you can whine and cry all you want but that is the official record of your military service, and you cant refute it. So please if you dont know what you are talking about then stop talking and making yourself look like a fool as the US pentagon Public Affairs Office will tell you that you get ONE and ONLY ONE DD214.
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Minister Mike
Quote the rule/regulation by section and paragraph. Where do you want to meet so you can see my 5?
Since the 1973 fire in the records center, a large portion of records no longer exist. So it does not have records from every military member.
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Daniel Gray
https://dd214.us/
Milpercen
US Pentagon
Now again try and refute them.
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Minister Mike
Nothing there to refute. The link is a non-government site and does not address a limit concerning the number of DD-214's a member can receive. Neither does MILPERCEN, or even the Pentagon.
But I'll gladly look at any specific regulation you can quote. Chapter, section, page, paragraph. Certainly, if you know they exist, sharing them with us wouldn't be difficult for mr. stolen valor.
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Daniel Gray
So what you are saying Mikey is that you are right and the pentagon and MILPERCEN are wrong all because YOU say so? Delusional much?
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Lyndy Borden
Don't know how my last comment got deleted, but okay. I saw this conversation a few days ago. It seemed the consensus with other sources was that you can have multiple DD214s.But, I actually did contact your source at the dd214 official site (dd214.us). It took 5 minutes, I got a response in a few days after asking whether it was possible for someone to get 5 DD214s. Here's the email, verbatim:
"Hello Lyndy,
DD214s are issued for separations from each period of 90 days or more of Active Duty. Basic training is considered Active Duty. Four tours after that? So, yes, it's possible.
All you really want to see is his last DD214, since they all contain cumulative data.
Jack"
Accusing someone about lying that they were in service is a very serious accusation, especially on something as flimsy as having multiple DD214 forms. If you're going to cite these as your sources, you need to at least make sure they back you up, which they don't. Sorry, you're wrong.
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Daniel Gray
No Lyndy I am correct, I just checked with the site and its very nice of you to lie and make up a person. I just contacted them and thery replied that they do not have anyone named Jack working there. How desperate you must be to try and post a lie here and not expect it to be checked out
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Lyndy Borden
Then YOU must be the liar, because I received the email.
In fact, there is a Jack that works there, here's his profile:
https://data-lead.com/person/name/Jack+Doernberg/id/65254357/v/a29e4
He's a manager at the website. You're just pathetic now, aren't you? You're wrong dude, just admit it.
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Daniel Gray
Nice try liar, all your link does is show some guy who claims he works at this site. It does not show he works there as any email would have their letter head or a return address back to them, your source does not.
How desperate are you to lie like this as this Jack has stated he never has heard from you or been asked anything like you want people to believe. So the pathetic one is clearly you when you have to resort to lies and myths
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Diana Lynn Angell
Using the term bigot is what everyone that has an agenda does. Some of us aren't stupid enough to fall for this agenda, in fact many aren't. Being a person of faith and belief in a creed does not make you a bigot. Opinions are on both sides. Transgender hasn't been around for that long in terms of the surgeries and there isn't enough studies on it. However the vast majority that take the hormones and do the surgery take their own life eventually. So, perhaps this is a mental illness that is caused by hormonal imbalance. I would suggest that more people begin to push for better food production to resolve much of these things. Plastics are hormone disruptors for example and they are everywhere. Milk and meat are full of all kinds of impure things that cause hormonal issues in the people who ingest them. Diabetes is a disease. Why couldn't transgender be one? There is much more to this than sexuality ppl. I came into the ministry with a background in healing. Any Christians in here should be aware that Yeshua was a healer and attended to the people's physical needs as he understood that the soul was effected by the Temple(body) that houses it. So, this issue is one that if we wake up and see the underlying hormonal imbalances and use our time to address then more people will begin to have much more peace across the board.
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Minister Mike
Bigot: "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices" - Merriam/Webster online dictionary.
Sorry, but calling a bigot a bigot is not an agenda, only statement of fact.
And, no, "...the vast majority that take the hormones and do the surgery take their own life eventually." is not true. What is your agenda that you spread such lies?
I conclude, by your name, that you are female? Couldn't that be a disease?
Now, refer back to the first paragraph and find a place in your blather which it isn't appropriate.
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James Pace
The only people that cause strife are bigots like you.
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John Norris Campbell
And yet you, James, find it necessary to cause strife by hurling insults...interesting strategy...must have gotton your panties in a twist!
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James Pace
You do grasp that 'bigot' is not a slur genius...
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Daniel Gray
And you do grasp James that the way you used it IT IS A SLUR. But then again nobody said people who call others bigots and racists and homophobes just because they dont agree, very high on the intelligence level as if you have to resort to this then you had no leg to stand on at the beginning.
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Ilmenheru Terikson
If you do not like being called out for bigotry DG then quit being a bigot. The ULC would of removed the post if they deemed it a slur. It has not ever been considered hate speech nor a slur to call someone a bigot when they are acting as one.
Your need to feel persecuted is hilarious.
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Daniel Gray
How about you take your own advice Turkey....you cant say anything as you have done exactly what I posted.
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Gerardo Salazar
Mr. Calvert’ words (to call him by a Military rank would be an insult to the Armed Forces): “How is rejecting reality (biology not evidence that a person is mentally unfit?” Clearly shows that id anybody is mentally unfit it is him because the Human mind is as part of Biology as the spleen; gay people are born convinced that they are in the wrong body and although their genitalia says otherwise they KNOW who they are and deserve all of our respect but in Calvert twisted beliefs if you do do not agree with him you are unfit to serve your country. It is stupid people like this guy who create division and hatred among Americans. Just to clarify I’ve never have experienced any homosexual feelings and consider myself an straight person but on the other hand I believe it is my duty to respect other human beings and to treat them the way I want to be treated and respected. Mr. Calvert, you suck.
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Ty Ford
Whoa! Wait a minute. That whole "born knowing they are in the wrong body" thing is very presumptuous.
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rebadams7
Please clarify, are you saying all gay people are also transgender?
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Daniel Gray
prove it geraldo....and if you do you will be famous as there is absolutely NO medical proof that gay or transgendered people are born that way. A good example of this is Elton John. He didnt DECIDE he was gay until well into his 50's
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James Pace
You cannot possibly really be that thick....
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Tom
Ron Howard narrator : "He can..."
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Daniel Gray
since when is telling the truth a bad thing according to you James or Tom?
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Tom
When the "truth" you speak of is, in fact, not true...
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/18/sir-elton-john-gay-coming-out_n_1681793.html https://www.today.com/news/elton-john-reveals-why-he-waited-so-long-come-out-889442
He officially came out as bisexual in a Rolling Stone interview when he was 29 and would later go on to say he is now comfortable being gay in 1992. He told Variety that he was 23 when he realized he was gay.
https://variety.com/2019/music/features/elton-john-on-being-gay-1203248152/
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Daniel Gray
so lets see, you want to take a left wing source as your facts instead of actual science and medical fact? Ok now we know how to deal with the rest of your posts
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Cheryl Anne Hamm
Why are you here? I may be new here but its the last place I thought I would find trolls. Jesus would minister to anyone, the outcasts, deemed degenerates, the poor. All those that society found to be unworthy, he called them his children. He did not judge, coerce, or turned his back on anyone with a soul in need. With all the biological unknowns how can we say definitively that one cannot be born in the wrong body. Until you get an opposite viewpoint you can never truly understand the issue, you are still free to disagree, but judgement should be withheld. God granted each of us free will. To make our own decisions. Too many believers today believe it is their place to tell people how they should live instead of being just the messenger.
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Daniel Gray
the trolls are the ones who seemingly cannot accept fact and reality like Tom seems to not be able to
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Tom
You said that Elton John "decided" that he was gay well into his 50's. I presented several different sources that contradict that claim, including an interview with Elton himself. Can you provide evidence to support your claim that he "decided" he was gay in his 50's or a scientific study suggesting that there is no medical reason for being homosexual or transgender? If there have been studies being conducted for well over 100 years, as you have claimed, that failed to show a biological basis for sexual orientation surely there would be evidence of these failures.
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Daniel Gray
I guess then Elton John lied in his own autobiography when he admitted that he suddenly discovered he was gay after he turned 50? Amazing how people like you insist that the people saying this are wrong just because you say so.
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Tom
He must have if that is actually what his autobiography says (which I highly doubt) because at the age of 72, Elton John told Variety that he was 23 when he actually realized he was gay. “I got off to a very slow start,” he says with a laugh. “I was like the tortoise and the hare, and then suddenly the tortoise overtook the hare, and I made up for lost time.”
You don't like being wrong, do you?
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Daniel Gray
Dont care if you like being wrong or not. You cant refute what the man says about his own life.
And I guess it is YOU who cant stand being wrong and having it shown
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Tom
You're literally refuting what Elton John himself said in multiple interviews. Where in his autobiography does he say he "decided" to be gay in his 50's?
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Daniel Gray
Nope I am quoting from his autobiography entitled "Me by Elton John"
Guess you cant handle the facts and reality too much now can you?
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Tom
There's been a number of studies that have already shown a biological basis for sexual orientation that is programmed in the brain before birth and before any fetus or infant would be able to make a choice that would influence their sexual orientation. If anything it's our general lack of understanding of brain function and chemistry (largely due to how complex the brain is) that has lead to the incorrect conclusion that sexual orientation is a choice.
https://theconversation.com/stop-calling-it-a-choice-biological-factors-drive-homosexuality-122764
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Daniel Gray
Nice try to use a pro gay site as your source. Why dont you try and show in science and medicine and genetics where your wrongly held belief comes from? I wont hold my breath waiting as better and far more educated men and women then you have been trying to do this for well over 100 years and have not succeeded yet.
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Tom
Here's some of the studies and articles that article quotes or links to as evidence of the scientific studies that you claim don't exist. The Nature.com article in particular cites 20 different references to support the author's thesis of a biological basis for sexual orientation.
https://www.nature.com/articles/518288a https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6456/eaat7693 https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/152/8/2937/2457178 https://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/just-the-facts https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)32388-2/fulltext https://bmcgenomdata.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2156-11-62
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Daniel Gray
Just as I figured. Not ONE from JAMA or any recognized medical site or factual scientific site, but a whole lot from wanna be magazines.
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Tom
So Oxford Academic, the American Psychological Association, and the International Society for Sexual Medicine are not medical/factual publications? What evidence do you have to support your opinion?
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Daniel Gray
Not one of them had any geneticist or Medical Doctors involved in these studies you quote from.
Nice try with the smoke and mirrors.
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David Michael Leo Baum
Tom, have you read any of these to their full details? Or have you just read the first paragraph or two? I am not arguing for or against you or anyone else. But follow what I'm about to say.
You may find that, like the thesis, there is no hard concluding evidences to support in any of these articles if read completely. If taken out of context, you can MAKE them appear to conclude what you want... but then when you go back TO these articles, it can be proven that the theses was written in false pretense and the author becomes a fraud and liar. Many times, authors do this because they WANT their theses to appear to be conclusive, not 'almost but not quite there yet'.
Now, in basic, a theses is nothing more than a long essay or dissertation involving personal research. At most, a theses is statement or theory that is put forward as a premise to be maintained or proved. In other words, it hasn't been proved yet. It is being put forward to BE proven.
If it IS true, give it time and science WILL find the proof. It just takes time. If it isn't true, sadly... one must accept this also because in time it will also be found.
Either way, everyone needs to be treated with the same respect, love, and dignity. God has demanded this of His people.
In my opinion, what this Chaplin stated was his opinion, but it was callus, rude, and cold hearted. At the least, he should be reprimanded for the statement... at the most, his place as a Chaplin should be stripped. I do understand, it IS a religious belief. I am a minister. However, we are still called to love and respect ALL human beings, no matter the color of the skin, culture, sexual orientation. There is no exception to that love according to God's written Word. People love to read it with 'modern eyes' instead of context of the time it was written so they misunderstand or intentionally take it out of context to make it say hurtful things. Everyone is God's children. Remember that.
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Tom
Did I read every single word in those articles? No. Did I read significant portions of each of them so as to understand the intention of their study as well as the evidence provided to support their conclusions? Yes. The Oxford Academic article in particular lays out the studies conducted, the results of these studies, and references 76 different articles to support their conclusions. You're absolutely correct that articles can be written disingenuously or that their conclusions are not as accurate as they may seem at first glance, but until there is a well researched scientific study (or studies) that contradict or disprove a particular article/conclusion we should be basing our understanding of the world on the best evidence we currently have.
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Daniel Gray
then how can you claim them as fact when not one geneticist or Medical doctor was involved in any of these "studies" You would have known that IF you had bothered to actually READ the sources you are quoting, but you didnt and admittedly so as they would have destroyed your claim and you would have nothing to back you up with.
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Tom
The Oxford Academic article was written by Dr. Jacques Balthazart, University of Liège, Research Group in Behavioral Neuroendocrinology.
The Journal of Sexual Medicine article is authored by 2 psychologists and the current Professor Emeritus of Molecular Biology and Genetics, University of Guelph.
The BMC Genomic Data article was written by members of the Department of Biological Sciences, Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology.
They're literally written by medical doctors and geneticists. If you read those articles, Daniel, you'll find that they actually support my claim, not destroy it.
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Daniel Gray
yep just as I thought Tom, not one from a Genetic expert or medical dotor nor one of your sources having had their papers Peer-reviewed or even validated. So sorry Tom, nothing you have posted can be used to prove your claims. Try again
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Tom
Says the guy who still hasn't provided any evidence to support his claims. Next time you meet a person from the LGBTQ+ community, ask them when they "decided" to be gay.
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Daniel Gray
Already proved what I said tommy, you on the other hand have not proved anything except your own feelings
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Daniel Gray
talking about yourself yet again I see as YOU are the person who has not ptovided one ounce of medial or genetic or scientific proof of what you say. So if it helps you sleep at night then believe what you want to believe, just dont try your fairy tales here
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James Pace
If that is his stance, that's fine. But he has no business being a chaplain. He obviously needs a different line of work.
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Gerardo Salazar
I could not agree more with you. With such beliefs Calvert should join the Taleban army as their chaplain. He would enjoy so much throwing gay people from high buildings or perhaps lead the squad to bull doze them under a wall.
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Daniel Gray
And you have no authority to make that claim as he is following the tenants of his religion. So tough toenails, its called religious freedom and free speech.
And as for Mikey, that person has a big mouth and has lost over 98% of his court cases as well as being told by more people then I can count as well as Governments in Citiy/county and state....for him to have a coke and a smile and shut up/Get Bent!/Go pound sand...take your pick.
When are people like Mikey, and james and geraldo going to understand there is NO SUCH THING as separation of church and state and as such they are going to lose every case that is brought because of this. Has the Little sisters of the poor or the bakers decision or just recently the Philly decision not taught you anything?
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James Pace
I don't need 'authority' to say he shouldn't be a chaplain. Being a chaplain means putting aside your own beliefs and ministering to who needs it. Don't be a tool. It's beneath you.
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Daniel Gray
No being a chaplin requires you to adhere to your religions dictates, if you dont want to then turn in your authorization and go away. You do NOT get to decide what is the teachings of the church as you dont have that authority.
And if anyone is being a tool, its clearly you as your posts shows.
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Gary James Thomas Garrett
It is NOT the duty of an Army Chaplin to adhere to his religious dictates. It is his DUTY to minister to everyone of all faiths. The army is composed of people of all religions, not just christianity. A chaplin in the military may give last rites one day, hold a shabbat ceremony the next day and counsel a muslim the next. Your assertion that "being a chaplin requires you to adhere to your religious dictates" is exactly wrong.
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Daniel Gray
sorry but you are wrong. You cannot say that a Catholic Chaplin has to minister to a hindu or a jewish faith. And the Uniformed Code of Military Justice says the exact same thing as if one chaplin can do all that, then why do they need more then once church on a military base?
Do you actually read your posts before posting? If you did then you wouldnt post such clearly obvious nonsense.
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Pastor~HP~Sister Beth
Shame on you. You have really riled me on this one. Are you really that much of a bigot? It’s one thing to have faith in your beliefs. It’s quite another to be ignorant of reality. I guess, sadly, even here there are some people who just can’t get over themselves.
To share one of my husbands favorite quotes, “There are OVER 5,000 Gods (and Goddesses) being worshipped by Humanity. But don’t worry. Only yours is right.”
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And if you are so self-absorbed that you don’t see the sarcasm (and humor) in that statement, then I feel even more sorry for you.
You are very wrong on the Chaplain front. A Chaplain is there to minister to ALL faiths. IF and ONLY IF another QUALIFIED Chaplain can be found locally to minister to a faith different than his own will there be two or more separate types of services.
A Chaplain is well versed in all of the main stream religions, and quite a few “minor” ones, to include Wicca! Why? Because qualified military chaplains are few and far between. They are even less so on the battlefield, where their training is required for more dire circumstances.
The only other times a Chaplain may not (by choice) choose to minister to different faiths is during peace time. If there are local venues convenient for the service members - or if those local ministers/priests/rabbi, etc. can lend their services to the base. Either way, however, a Chaplain STILL knows enough to carry out services on his own, and is REQUIRED to do so when called upon.
By the way, the only time a base will have a second church or base chapel is if the base is big enough. The majority of military bases are NOT big enough.
Now ask me… how do I know all this?
1) I am both a Wiccan Priestess who also happens to be a Minister, because I believe that UNIVERSAL BELIEFS in The Divine matter, and should be both respected and represented.
And 2) My husband actually WORKED in the Chaplains office.
Now go ask God for forgiveness in your ignorance.
Peace & Blessings!
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Daniel Gray
I dont care what you say beth, facts are facts even if they upset you. Now stop with the bluster and try and prove me wrong. I wont hold my breath waiting
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Pastor~HP~Sister Beth
I already proved you wrong. It’s obvious you didn’t read my whole post through. You can not find more factual information than to actually work with & for the chaplains themselves - which my husband did.
So now that you have been shamed AGAIN, why don’t you move along. This, of all places, is not a venue for the ignorant.
I truly wish you peace, especially because you seem to need it if you are so intent on being so rude.
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Daniel Gray
Only in your mind as you could not refute a thing I said. Nice try and claim but no dice chuckles
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Pastor~HP~Sister Beth
And just to make sure I have clarified 100% - My husband is a Career Military Retired Veteran. He has done his Country proud. So before you dare insult him, or anyone else for that matter, its time to let this go.
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Daniel Gray
And just to make it clear, since you want to get into a whizzing contest...I ALSO retired from the US Army and my unit was the 101st Airborne and my base where I was stationed was Ft Campbell Kentucky. So whats your point exactly? The ONLY reason you want to let this go is you are getting your rear handed to you
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Brien
Dan, you would have made a great Nazi. Your complete hatred of people is very obvious. It is people like you that one day the society will be free of. The more you show your hate, the less people will acknowledge you. I can't help but feel sorry for you. To walk around all day with all of that hate must be exhausting. I wish you peace, wether you accept it or not.
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Daniel Gray
so you have a problem with factual data? Just because you cut off your private part that you were born with does not make you a different sex. Refute that if you can as I wont hold my breath waiting. But then again all you can do is call names because this isnt normal and cannot be considered normal.
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Brien
I have no issue with data. It is YOUR interpretation and presentation that is troubling. You can present an opinion without spewing hate. You chose to add hatred of people to any opinion you have. What truly concerns me is your claim of service status. Unfortunately I must take you at your word. What that means is you have been trained in combat, every soldier receives some combat training depending on their Mos. Bottom line of that is you have been trained to kill. While anyone is capable of killing, a trained soldier is most dangerous. We never lose our training. Combine what I have said with the hatred you carry with you, and the picture becomes dangerously clear. I only hope that your mental status can keep your training in check. On a personal note, I would not be comfortable having you around my property nor my family. Your "facts" seem to be the only thing that holds your world together. The fact here is, you may be an unstable person that needs help. At least consider talking with a professional. Peace.
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Daniel Gray
Confused much? You say you have no issue with my Data Brian, and yet when I state EXACTLY what my data is saying you now say you have an issue with it? Reality does not talk much to do you now does it?
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Brien
Read my post Dan. You are a very troubled, hate filled individual in need of professional help.
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Daniel Gray
I did read your post, and sorry if fact and reality destroys your world view. My suggestion to you is to take your own advice and seek mental help very quickly
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Brien
As always, you use denial and hate to hide behind each time anyone calls you out on a topic or opinion. As I said before, I am willing to debate facts, I will not debate your hate. Others have tried to have intelligent conversation with you but are always met with your hate. I am wondering if as a group we can just ignore you. I will admit it is hard to ignore so much hate.
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Daniel Gray
I state fact, if you cant accept that then thats your problem not mine
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Brien
You state hatred. You attempt to hide your disdain for people by quoting very little of actual fact and filling in with your personal hate. You are entitled to live your life as you wish, yet you refuse others that most basic of rights. You cherry pick phrases and offer up your hate without reading the material in its entirety. I can only assume that this is how you obtain most of your facts. Please, live how you wish, but stop spewing hate at everyone.
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Daniel Gray
I state FACT Brian, you dont like it because it hurts your feelings or destroys your beliefs, I really dont care. You say something stupid to me and I am going to call you on it. And I bet you are one of the people who seemingly thinks that if you are a male and cut off a part of your body or if you are a female and have a part rebuilt, that you somehow have changed your sex. WRONG! You will ALWAYS be the sex you were born no matter how many pills you take or operations you have had. And you can never refute that So when someone calls you out on that get used to it as it is never going to change.
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Brien
Again, Dan, you show your hate. Calling people stupid and saying they are wrong does not make you right. You are a very hate filled individual. Live your life as best you can. Let others live theirs.
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Daniel Gray
No Brian, I state fact and unlike you I dont try and parrot the flavor of the month
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Ilmenheru Terikson
DG here has openly admitting to abusing children with sadistic revelry, and that he would rape his own mother or sister if not for his so called "faith" in god.
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Daniel Gray
Turkey nobody need know what you do to children, but the police might be very interested.
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Gerardo Salazar
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