A former US intelligence official is blowing the whistle on the government’s secret UFO program, alleging that the United States possesses aircraft of non-human origin.
The whistleblower says there’s been a secretive century-long arms race by nations to retrieve crashed spacecraft and mine them for technological or military advancements.
David Grusch is a 36-year-old veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office, where he served as the representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Task Force, and later as co-lead for UAP analysis at NGA.
Now he’s going public with what he knows.
Cue the X-Files theme.
The Truth is in Here
By all accounts, Grusch is well regarded by his peers in the intelligence community, dedicated and decorated. And now he believes the public has a right to know what he’s been up to.
He says that for decades, the US military recovered vehicles both partially and fully intact, “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures.”
"These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, call it spacecraft if you will, non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed," he explains. “Well, naturally, when you recover something that’s either landed or crashed. Sometimes you encounter dead pilots and believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it’s true."
Now he’s telling Congress, informing them of a lengthy “Cold War’” between nations “to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages."
Several other high ranking officials are coming out publicly or anonymously to back him up.
One of them is Karl Nell, a former US Army Colonel who worked with Grusch and served as the Army’s liaison to the UAP Task Force. He says it is “fundamentally correct” that “at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derive from non-human intelligence.”
Probing Deeper
Could this be it? Have we really found alien hardware or spacecrafts?
While impossible to say for sure, it certainly seems like there’s something going on.
What was once relegated to the realm of fringe conspiracy theorists ranting about crop circles, cow mutilations, and human abductions is now mainstream, and even NASA has announced they’re seriously investigating unidentified aerial phenomena.
It seems like everyone from former defense officials with access to classified information to former military pilots are coming out left and right to share what they know – that something is out there.
Keeping the Faith
And what, exactly, does that mean for the world of faith? In 2016 and 2017, NASA called upon some of the world’s leading theologians and religious scholars, representing a wide cross-section of the world’s major faiths, to determine how the world’s billions of faithful would react to unequivocal proof that alien life exists.
Their findings? While the official report hasn’t been released publicly, one theologian NASA consulted reported that the world’s religious wouldn’t have as tough of a time as one might think with the knowledge that aliens exist.
Still, many believe that it is evangelical Christians who would have the toughest time with this revelation, due to their often literal reading of scripture and belief that Jesus Christ died for humanity’s – and not extraterrestrial – sins.
Hey… wait a second, why was NASA investigating how we’d all react to learning aliens exist, anyway?
Is that top secret, too?
100 comments
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Daniel Gray
Anyone who says there is no such things as aliens is a complete fool. I am not saying that they have come here but to look at the size of the Universe and then claim we are the only ones here is an idiot at best and should be locked up for the safety of all. We have little animals called "water pigs" who have survived in zero gravity and have survived on the outside of spacecraft that we sent up into space with no oxygen and absolute 0 degrees and hard radiation. We have animals here that live in caves that are next to subsurface volcanoes and the water they swim in is hydrochloric acid that will eat the flesh off your bones in seconds and do it in a very painful way while you are still alive. Yet it does not bother these animals in the least. The new telescope we have just put up clearly shows there are galaxies that are less then 500 million years from the "mythical" big bang...something that every astronomer and scientist say is impossible. as every one of them show a circular formation, like a drop of water into a puddle. We have a Methuselah Star that is older then the known universe by over 700 million years. We have found stars that brighten and dim and can only be caused according to scientists by what is known as a Dyson Sphere, a device used to surround a whole solar system and take every ounce of energy the home star puts out for use. We have found mysterious lights come from Proxima Centauri b in the Alpha Centauri star system less then 4 light years from us. We have Ion engines that can hit 1/4 of the speed of light not to mention that NASA has already used the engine to crash into an asteroid to see what its made up of and we have three scientists who have invented a working (according to the simulations) warp engine like in star trek. We have validated two scientists in Europe that have shown a way to travel faster then light with a laser! We have Quarks and tachyons that move at least 3 times the speed of light and we have verified their existence thus showing anyone who tries to tell you nothing can move faster then light is a liar. We have almost human looking Cybernetics and they are projecting that within the next 10 years we will actually have walking talking robots to help hospitals and Senior nursing homes, we already have robotic pets. And the thing that should terrify you is all of this has happened since 1952, less then 74 years. so imagine a race a few hundreds to a few thousands of years older then ours and are you actually going to try and say they cant surpass us in everything? The US Military already has programmable grenades that you can set to explode inside a room or behind a wall after being fired from a launcher. Rifles that actually shoot around 90 degree corners. And a Japanese scientist has actually invented Harry Potters Cloak of Invisibility with cameras and screens that project the rear view onto the front and the front view onto the rear of the cloak. We have antimag lifts for trains and soon to be for cars, in fact we actually have flying cars already authorized for use in the US by the FAA, Again I am not saying that aliens are/are not here, or that they have not been here already or that they are not visiting. What I AM saying is with all of this fact looking you dead in the face, you would be pretty darn stupid to deny the existence of another species out there somewhere. Heck even NASA is saying that we will have valid documentation of first contact in less then 20 years from now. Deal with it
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Pamela Vonbacho Ploof
God , _od, Great Spirit, etc. Is universal . The creation took seven days. Started with the heavens( Nowhere does it state only earth)! So Amen and Welcome to those beings who come in Peace.
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Rev. Dr. Father JJ
where do the aliens come from? don't say "space" ya moron, I want to know where in space. don't give me a constellation either ya knucklehead, a constellation is simply a random bunch of stars that, from our perspective, if we connect the dots it looks like a goat. no, I want to know which star in the sky, which planet that circles that start, that's what I want to know. because if you don't know where they come from and what they look like and what they want then you don't know anything. you're making it up, according to what you want to believe, according to how it fills the voids in your thinking. you can't just say aliens exist without some proof beyond, I just know it, or I believe it.
wait, did I say aliens...I meant god
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Karsten S. A. Johansson
If the US has UFOs and secretly know all this stuff is real, how is it the one thing in the world Donald Trump was able to keep his **** mouth shut about? How did the proof not wind up in his gaudy Mar a Lago washroom.
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Daniel Gray
Because both Kennedy and Carter said they saw an unidentified spacecraft. So I guess you are now going to show your ignorance and claim a decorated Navy Officer and a AF Pilot are both wrong because you cant make a post without inserting your political bias into it?
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Takaya Kovani Sweeney
Exactly, everything under the sun has been leaked or released by someone considering themselves a whistleblower.
Where has this alien documentation and proof been all of this time.
It’s bs.
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Joe R Day
I witnessed an aircraft in 1973 that defied any explanation. It was full daylight and I was not under the influence of any drug or alcohol. It was about 200 yards away, approximately 150-200 yards in the air. It was big, approximately 150 yards in diameter and there was no sound, no visible means of propulsion as it slowly made its way north along the coastline of North Carolina. I saw it again that afternoon in Beaufort NC while doing some shopping. As I was getting on the bridge between Beaufort and Moorhead city, traffic stopped and folks were looking over the rails at something in the sky. I climbed out of my car to look and I saw the same craft (or another that looked similar) was slowly flying above the coastline. This time, I was 2-3 miles away and looked like it was 'surveying' the coast. (My opinion) I heard the sound of jets and when I turned to look, there were 2 fighter jets on an 'intercept' course. I turned back to look at the UAP and it had risen approx 1,000 ft and as the jets closed, the saucer made 3 zigs... and disappeared. Please spare me any discussion that starts with "They had tech back then that you know nothing about." A craft that hovered/moved very slowly, had no seams in its construction, was completely silent, had no visible means of propulsion and was bigger than a football field? I challenge anyone to show that the craft I saw was of human construction. Was it an extraterrestrial vehicle? I don't know but I know what I saw. Do I believe there are ETs? Yes, but that is an opinion. When the verified facts are all assembled and filtered to the 'known unknown', it becomes evident that 'we are not alone'. The saddest part of all this? If ETs are welcomed to our world, the polls would show that 33% of humans disagreed with that decision. It's Human Nature /grin.
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Julie Armstrong
To think we are the only ones is arrogant. God's an alien. He comes in many forms to teach and help ppl from ancient times.
Pyramids are perfect example. Stone Hedge .....
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Dana Kleine
As my husband tends to say when discussing religious beliefs;
"I don't care if you believe 3 blind mice created the world and they are your "god", if it makes you a decent human being, you can believe whatever you like!"
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Daniel Todd Kamm
sorry "aliens"
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Daniel Todd Kamm
I always refer to the quote that some consider "biblical" but it's not.
In Shakespear's Hamlet:
"And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamed of in your philosophy."
The idea is that Horatio, an antagonist representing most of us, is narrow minded and wouldn't know what kind of bug it was if it landed on him.
I feel the same way about the possibility of "aens from outer space."
Okay, maybe. But what about we don't know about "inner: space," and what are all those old stories about gods and goddesses et al ? Maybe the Earth is older, wiser, and has more things to reveal than we need to try to divine from the skies?
I think a good place to start is the octopus... interesting creature.
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Gene Schenck
God says what is the difference if I created all or not I have believers and non believers in me my son and the holy spirit, you can take that to the bank and choke on it on not I try to have love through out all but have failed try try again that's all I have to say.
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Lester Stanley Petrie
I wish that Coleen, or anyone else would explain this "God" that they all refer to, as to what, why, how, where, when, who, and, does it all matter, and WHY? We're here, so let's just enjoy being here and not waste all this time trying to explain what that white stuff is, in chicken manure? I'm having a "nice day"! How about you?
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James Richard Norby
Sadly, we will define a new species as a threat and create defense programs to defeat them. Possibly, our species may be less interested in starting wars with each other and coalesce around defending ourselves form :the other".
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Robin Call
Does it really matter? If they exist, then they exist. If they don’t, then they don’t. The everyday person will not know unless the government wants a person to know. So why speculate, worry, or care? Nothing anyone can do. Just another question that won’t get answered and a waste of everyone’s time.
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Grand Poobah M
I'm of the belief that we are just like seamonkeys in a giant fish bowl. Experiments of something.
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Steve Schafir
I have seen a lot of articles from people that have worked for the government claiming this. Not one has any proof. They have to have some physical evidence not their "opinion".
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Graylon Morrison
In other words, we don't walk alone 👀🙌🏾
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Merlin
Statistically more than possible. Only our arrogance disagrees.
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Victor Williams
Greetings, I am compelled in an internal way to share my feelings regarding this article. I guess perhaps it is the balance we need to find between science, and spirituality. The contrast between the two in light of religion, personal obligations, and spiritually- healthy lifestyle behavior is interesting to learn about due to the essence of Christian Psychology, and the need for science as a basis in its' practice. The reason I believe so is because the walk with God in any context is understood to be a one- on- one term under which each person has to give an account on behalf of themselves. This gets interesting when behavior starts to become factored into what social values, beliefs, passion, and purposes exist as way to understand the human behavior moreover how it is influenced while maintaining solidarity in the belief of the private relationship with God. Thank you again for letting me share with you, and be blessed.
Sincerely, Minister Victor
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ServantOfJudgement
I don't find it any surprise there'd be life outside earth. From what I understand biblicaly most life is extraterrestrial. Why don't they just take over or run our junk and such? Lol, they ain't allowed to, those that tried, failed. I give u Satan as suspect number one. God said no. Rail on atheists, rail on.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
But according to YOU SOJ Satan is everywhere? Which is it? Satan is a constant threat - or God protects us?
I'm genuinely curious.
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Rev Mark D
Religion poisons everything. -- Christopher Hitchens
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Rev Mark D
"...non-human intelligence..."
QED
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Nicholas J Page
If this is true and I believe it Why has Area 51 such a closely guarded secret by the military and it has been for years Why is only humans on earth.How do UFOs and space ships pass through Van Allen belt without vaporising . That's why there's been a lot of controversy about the moon landings bein fake Because you can not avoid the belt Minister Nick Page UK
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Rev Mark D
Nick, don't you think anybody capable of interstellar flight such as going at or faster than the speed of light, which I would pretty much have to do or else by the time their trip was over we'd all have been dead thirty generations, would be able to figure out how to jump around a couple rocks?
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Rev. Kev
Just so you know, the Apollo missions flew through the Van Allen belts. Since the builders of the spacecraft knew about them (having been discovered in 1958), they built the craft with radiation shielding. They didn't spend a lot of time transiting the belts so got less of a dose of radiation than if they had gotten a CT scan.
Our GPS satellites orbit in the gap between the inner and outer belts, where radiation is minimal.
My brother was the materials manager for the Orion capsule (he recently retired). He knows all about this stuff and what it takes to shield the crew from lethal radiation doses. Science: way cooler than fiction.
That whole vaporizing part is just false drama.
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Rev. Kev
To quote astrophysicist Dr. Becky: "It's never aliens."
So an intelligent species does more than just send observation devices. They develop the technology to travel a gazillion miles to get to Earth. Only to buzz airplanes and probe people? And after collecting all this cool, alien technology we don't have flying cars, or even a self-driving one I'd trust on the highway with me?
Alas, all the technology we currently have has a known path of development. Nothing that just magically appeared and skyrocketed us to new heights. And I have a hard time believing the whole world is involved in this conspiracy without a major leak or one nation using that tech to dominate the globe. Especially going back several decades. It's the stuff of science fiction stories, but not very plausible.
Just because this "whistleblower" is highly regarded doesn't mean he can't have a loose screw or two and be a UFO fanatic subject to fits of fancy. I've read about some very good scientists doing real work in their fields who also believed some pretty nutty stuff.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
I worked for the government in the early 90's. In Nevada.
I worked as part of a training program that was a battlefield simulation for military pilots. It was a large plot of land out in the desert sprinkled with radar weapon simulators. The radar was real, the weapons simulated, including surface to air missiles, anti-aircraft guns, and such things. The pilots flew missions, often dropping live bombs at a designated targets before returning to base, where they would then look at the analysis and find out who lived and who died. My job was to maintain and operate one of the 'threats'.
The job was of course very remote. To the southeast Area 51 was just over the hill. I could see the glow from their lights from their little base at night. To the southwest was Yucca Flat, on which I could watch the mobile derrick that lowered the atomic bombs move around. The last test there was in 1992, which rattled my house. I watched actual B-52 carpet bombings from my radar site, and often heard the BRRRRUP of A-10 warthogs.
I worked there nearly 5 years - and I never saw nothing. I shot down (with computer simulated missiles, of course) all manner of aircraft at that time, but they were all conventional aircraft, as far as I could see. They shot down easily enough.
I keep an open mind - I have no illusion my perception or my understanding in any way defines the universe - but as far as having seen any UFOs - nope, and I feel I probably had a better chance than most.
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ServantOfJudgement
The us military releases technology to the civilians when it's usefulness has expired or its cutting edge had gone dull. In general, this means they have something better than what they've released. Foe example, GPS systems and the facsimile (FAX machine) were such a release. I'd agree with you on the military side of things. I'd expect to see weird and wild craft long long ago from the military. In the 80s the electronic systems I repaired required a secret security clearance but the tech itself was quite primitive when compared to civilian systems. Immune to a nuclear emp but still old tech. The upgrade in the mid 90s was breathtaking but not trippy alien tech. Ya never know, maybe they're saving it up for the big one.....
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ServantOfJudgement
Bob Lazar. He was the first whistle blower, I think late 70s early 80s. Said the same thing. Here we are again. If we see cannabis growing outfits advertising Space Grass, we know there's aliens.
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Clay Serenbetz
In the future, our religions today will appear to us as antiquated as the Greek and Roman deities are now. Aliens would view our religions similarly.
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Brien
Well here we go again. It is the great mythical being that created everything, blah, blah, blah. Get off the bandwagon will you please. I do believe in life beyond our shortsightedness, I just find it real funny that with all the cameras on this planet nobody has gotten one clear picture yet. Oh wait, it is the great mythical being that's protecting the aliens.
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Rev Mark D
Well certainly it makes sense that aliens would need protecting by a great mythical being...who else would know better what humans are capable of? Considering the captors (or "rescuers?") are humans, God only knows.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
If you believe in God, you can believe their are aliens too. And while you are at it you can belie there's a Santa Claus, tooth fairy, leprechauns, mermaids, unicorns and vampires. There are many eye witness accounts of people seeing them. So they must exist.
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Rev Mark D
You know, you can believe in aliens even don't believe in God.
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Rev Mark D
Does this mean they might have seen me in the bathroom?
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Rev. Barry
I have wondered how AI has advanced so quickly.Also,many other advanced technology Issues.
Things seem to have been getting help.
From outside the solar system?
Think about it
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Rev Mark D
Then why would chat GPT need to lie to the court when making up legal case research a lawyer used it for in a court case? (NY Times last week, the lawyer is now in big trouble too.)
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Rev. Barry
I have pondered as to why/how AI has developed so quickly.Mankind is making major Leaps in technology.very fast.
Could be information gathered from a outside Source.?
Think about it
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Joe R Day
Must respectfully disagree. AI is not really 'new'. Reporting on it is new. "Artificial intelligence (AI) is a young discipline of sixty years, which is a set of sciences, theories and techniques (including mathematical logic, statistics, probabilities, computational neurobiology, computer science) that aims to imitate the cognitive abilities of a human being." Is it possible ET 'helped' it to happen? Yes, if you believe that ET is on our planet and working secretly with our government. Not a huge stretch lol. Just because we haven't heard about AI as it was developing, does not mean it is new or came from aliens... Hope this helps.
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CB Cuff
And the communication they received was "Relax Donald, we're coming to take you back home."
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Colleen McAllister
It is important to remember that the Bible was written for this planet, not any others that might exist. The individual books and letters were collected to help us with our salvation. None of that precludes other planets or beings.
I believe that the same God created them all.
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Lionheart
It okay to tell us what you believe, Colleen. My friend actually believes the earth is flat, bless him. He also doesn’t have any demonstrable evidence to back up his claim, but that’s ok. We still love him. 🤗
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Rev Mark D
No we don't.
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Colleen McAllister
It is important to remember that the Bible was written for this planet, not any others that might exist. The individual books and letters were collected to help us with our salvation. None of that precludes other planets or beings.
I believe that the same God created them all.
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Lionheart
No, it’s not important to remember any book was written for this planet, but it’s a very interesting thought, bless you. 🤗
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Colleen McAllister
It's important to me. After all that's what all these comments are about. What we feel or believe
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Lionheart
I understand, Colleen. I realize that lots of people say they can feel energies, and believe in Reiki. Some feel and believe in the Chakras. Some feel and believe that Joseph Smith saw angelic personages that led him to find gold plates that now compile the Book of Mormon.
Feelings, and believing in anything without demonstrable evidence has caused many people to go in some very strange directions in life.
I’m so glad that we can rely on science for our medical practices, and healings. I wish many relied on science before making claims that something is true just because they “feel” it’s right. That’s why we have so many religions with everyone feeling they have the right religion causing them to believe in their real god. 🤷🏼
Thank you for your reply. 🤗
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ether_ore
So, were the individual books and letters collected by man or God?
If God was NOT involved in assembling the Bible (or any other so-called holy book), your statement above makes some sense; how could humans do anything OTHER than try to assemble a book for this planet, especially considering how little we knew back then of this planet, let alone any others, and how much of what we THOUGHT we knew then we now know to be false?
If, on the other hand, we believe that God gathered the books and letters together, or caused them to be written and chosen, then the statement above is in trouble.
Does God have DIFFERENT truths and requirements based on different audiences, environments, and situations? If so, God is unjust since He holds different groups accountable to different rules. If not, why would the Bible not apply to beings from another world just as fully as people claim it applies to us?
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Colleen McAllister
I can only tell you what I believe and that is that God inspired and influenced those who wrote and selected these books/letters.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
Conservatives are very fond of asking liberals to define what a woman is. This makes for brilliant PR, because to liberals sex and gender are a complex and multilayered issue, based on science. To conservatives however, as with most things, it is a very simple issue. To conservatives, a woman is a uterus. Just a uterus. This establishes how conservatives look at all gender and reproduction issues. In the conservative worldview, a uterus receives man's seed and nurtures the young. This is opposed to the man's role in the conservative worldview, which is that of sower, provider, and protector. To conservatives, this establishes the subservience of women and the superiority of men, and because they think this, they call it "Natural Law". This is why in the conservative worldview gender divergence is "against nature", and why they feel it is their right to establish rights above the rights of women. This is why conservatives find gender rights and equality abhorrent. That's the brutal truth.
To conservatives, particularly religious conservatives, the universe and everything in it is just and only whatever they think it is, and anything outside of their worldview simply doesn't exist to them or is seen as a disease or deformity. Nobody is making them marry a trans woman, or abort their children, or change their pronouns, but such is their fear and hysteria that people are breaking 'the laws of nature' as they see it, that they feel compelled to impose their views and decisions on everybody else. They literally see anything else as insanity because nothing else makes any sense to them, because in truth they cannot see anything else. Their mentality is their universe, which they then project onto the entire universe.
This is the conservative mentality.
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Lionheart
I think we understand that you believe your god inspired some people to write their stories. How do you account for the inaccuracies, and contradictions, they wrote about? Do you only want to believe in the stories that you “feel” are true, and ignore the rest?
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Rev. Dr. Father JJ
but you have no proof of that, that's only 'what you believe' so really, it's a meaningless statement
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ServantOfJudgement
Colleen,
I'm surprised by how fluid and consistent the method of teaching the Bible uses is, especially when we find it was indeed written by many people across thousands of years. That alone is remarkable. Today we don't even know what a woman is but the primitive goat herders somehow developed the most effective method of teaching known to mankind.....and kept it secret. They described man's complex psyche before there was psychology. There's so much more they somehow knew that we've only just found out yet we're the smart and sophisticated ones!!?? Hahaha!
Stay safe!
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
There is a certain perspective where God wrote the bible - but if that is true, then He also wrote Moby Dick, and War and Peace, and the phone book.
It's easy to see wisdom and spirit and life in a collected work like the Bible, or great works of fiction like Moby Dick or War and Peace - but can you see it in the phone book? When you open those pages, do you find the universe staring back at you, the vast interconnectedness, the life, mind, and spirit, all saturated into that condensed zenith of one particular point in time and space, which never happened before, and will never happen again, over and over and over again?
Because it is there, from a certain perspective.
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ServantOfJudgement
Kenneth, Good points including the phone book. Imagine the phone book being printed 4000 years before telephones. Such is the case with the Bible. You can check for yourself. It was printed in "phone book detail" before it happened. Prophecy legit. Down and dirty God speak. Carbon data is real data...........or is it?.....
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
It's not a competition SOJ. It's just perception. Some people only see God in an old book. Other people see God in all of Creation.
We can't all be winners. Better luck next life.
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Rev. Barry
I have pondered how/why AI has advanced so Quickly. I am sure we have been privy to technology, information that a alien life form could provide.
Think about it
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
For all the Plastic Badgers always whining about, and questioning why, the non-believers are on this group, this post should cause you to wonder how ‘devoted’ this site is to praising cheeses. If anything there’s more evidence for the exact opposite.
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Kenneth Eagle Spirit
Gee ... Aliens. Anything to occupy the human mind with things other than the necessities. Global warming, war, pollution, starving millions, etc. Or aliens? Personally I wanna see some green cards.
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Reverend Matthew
One God, power almighty creator of heaven and earth and all that is seen and unseen!!! That's the way I was taught and that's what I still believe to this day, I'm sure there are many things that we have not seen that are real, that God created. If God created our world what makes you think that he wouldn't create other worlds for other species. Jesus died for our sins, maybe when God created their planets they didn't eat the fruit. Maybe they listened to instructions and weren't tempted by the serpent to eat the fruit? It's not rocket science.... Or is it?
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Colleen McAllister
Sounds like the C.S. Lewis books. "Out of Silent Planet" and especially "Perelandra".
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Lionheart
Religious indoctrination can be real cruel at times, right Matthew?
Just as a heads up, the Book of Mormon, and the Harry Potter books, are also fictional. I know that’s a real blower, but it’s just the way it is. 🤷🏼
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Etha L Moore
I agree...I believe there is so much more to learn from the scriptures. Every study enlightens me to a new perspective.
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Daniel Todd Kamm
Oh dear. Personally, before searching the universe and everything we can see "out there" we have our own past that has not been fully explored, and who really knows who, what, when ,where, why, and how these experiences and claims keep happening? Under the ice? Under the seas? Some sentient being(s) somewhere on the planet other than self centered human primates who can't even peel a banana the correct way? "There is more in heaven and earth..." etc.
Q: Why do these news revelations always have something to do with the military?
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Reverend Matthew
I can peel a banana the right way, just so you know there is one smart human.
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ether_ore
I never knew there was a “right” way, other than to be able to eat the inside and throw away the outside.
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He Who Breathes
There is biblical evidence of aliens, as well as the legends of ancient people's experiences (for example the Sumerians).
Religion can and does survive - but, it will most markedly change.
Religions that do not encompass belief in God as a universal creator will have a hard time, as will those that espouse that communication with God requires an intermediary.
This will help separate the wheat from the chaff of religions, so to speak.
To me, the existence of Aliens does not rule out that God created them as well: So my religion is safe. :)
I am sure the Aliens will have some interesting, and compelling religions as well - and that they very well may become more popular that Earth-based religions - Who knows?
I welcome it.
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@He Who Breathes If God created aliens, who created God? Man.
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He Who Breathes
No, sorry; Man created religion.
Until we can scientifically prove how this whole show got here in the first place, the ONLY plausible explanation, is God (Specifically, an entity/entities out of the scope of our knowledge).
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Rev. Kev
Just wanted to point out that saying "Until we can scientifically prove how this whole show got here in the first place, the ONLY plausible explanation, is God" is known as the God of the Gaps fallacy.
Doesn't matter what you believe that God to be, the fallacy lies in essentially saying "We don't have the real answer so I'm going to say the God I believe exists is the answer." Anyone can do that for whatever creator they believe in. Thus making a multitude of different answers the ONLY plausible answer. Which is an internal contradiction.
Instead of God, I can say the Cosmic Creator Cat did it. How can that assertion be supported or falsified? Of what value is it to continued knowledge?
There's no good reason to just assert the answer with no proof. And Goddidit (or Cosmic Creator Cat did it) lacks explanatory power. It just kicks the bucket back one space to the real questions of how it all happened, exactly? Someone can reply "God spoke and it was". OK. So how does that work, exactly? What are the mechanics behind it all? Someone can reply, "It's a mystery. A miracle." But that just leaves the spaces on the right side of the question marks empty. It doesn't answer the questions. It explains nothing.
So, right now, the honest answer to the origins of this Universe is "I don't know." Or even "I believe it is God but I can't prove that."
If people want to believe in this or that creator that is their choice. I support peaceful freedom of belief. It's just not the ONLY answer. And not even very plausible to many people.
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Kenneth Lafe Eric Sanderson
It's a schtick as old as time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashallah
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@ He Who Breathes. We have so much scientific proof Man created God and religion. Want Proof? Why if there is one God, one Bible there are now over 50,000 different Christian religions? We know a man, specifically a con man created the Mormon religion. And some 80 years ago we watched as man spontaneously created religion in the South Pacific with the creation of Cargo Cult or John From religion. It’s still being being practiced today. Then we have the Oxyrhynchus Papyri which shows man not God created the Bible. And we have the Didache also proving man created religion. We have an abundance of scientific proof God was created by man. Need more? We have the Belgian priest who was good friends with Einstein who proved Einstein formulas wrong when it came to the creation of the universe. This Belgium priest proved as did experiments there was a “Big Bang” in the beginning. And when Christians came to the priest saying this Big Bang proves there is a God and the Bible speaks the truth of God’s existence. The Priest told the Christians science proves the order of creation in the Bible is wrong for days 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and part of 7. And we have the Hubble and James Web telescopes which have looked back the the beginning of creation and we can see God and the Bible is most defiantly wrong. How much more evidence do you need that religion and God was made up by man less than 2,000 years ago. Need more scientific proof God does not exist? It’s out there.
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Rev. Barry
Very true
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ServantOfJudgement
Better said, Who created the temporary physics that created the big bang that created permanent(ish) physics that created the cosmos that created the funky lightning that hit the funky sand that created funky seaweed that created Man and his funky thinking? Something Funky!
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Douglas Robert Spindler
@ ServantOfJudgement You say “Who created it” as if their MUST be a creator. Why? We have clear proof and physical evidence Man created religion and the Christians stole and rewrote stories from other religions.
If you must believe there is a God, tell me who created God?
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James Riggle-Johnson
What I worry about is when our religous leaders start calling aliens demons. That's when things go wrong.
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He Who Breathes
This may have been an issue many years ago, but these days, I expect that 80-90% of people would dismiss such silly religious leaders rantings.
However, until we can work out what these Aliens really intend to do with us, I will keep an open mind, as they may well turn out to be "Demons"; hopefully, they will be "Angels".
I would hope a that new era of enlightenment would arise, even if they just transferred the "dregs" of their technology to us, but it may well turn out to be our doom instead. They would never share their best technologies with us - that would be plain naïve, and stoopid.
Whatever they want, despite what is shown in the movies, we would not have a chance against them - we would be under their complete power.
Their technology is vastly superior to ours.
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Rebecca Marie Goll
I some cuntires yah I would agree with you. But there are places in the world where they are still murdering people for being witches. I don't trust all of humanity.
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Martin L Stigleman
What percent of religious zealots would it take to cause visitors to decide not to stick around? ...or even to decide that we shouldn't exist as a species? Honestly, if there are extraterrestrial visitors who have been examining us for as long as these sightings have been happening, they would know by this time that we are a worthless and dangerous civilization. We can't even exist with one another, let alone welcome visitors from another world! Now, we hear that Governments the world over have been in a race to recover "non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed,"? Okay...if they crashed, then it is either a rescue or salvage situation...but they also say "Landed". This would imply that visitors stopped to check things out and were assaulted and their ship was seized...NOT conducive to a peaceful meeting. In fact, I would see that as the actions of a dangerous people who should be either shunned or eradicated. Do I believe there is life "out there"? Definitely...and that should scares the hell out of all of us!
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Joe R Day
I like the way you write. I don't agree with all you said, but that's ok too. You wrote "they would know by this time that we are a worthless and dangerous civilization." I dispute the 'worthless' part, but that's for another discussion. I think if ET stepped off their ship, it would be like a human stepping into a chimpanzee enclosure at the zoo. They have higher brain function, use tools and have nonverbal communication skills. They are also clannish, suspicious of new things, are very strong and will attack with little provocation when threatened. Sounds just like us /grin I do not fear ET, I fear humanities reaction to them...
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Reverend Matthew
I agree but I spell it, Stoopud, tomato, tamato
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ServantOfJudgement
James,
I'd worry more from the Hollywood preists and their followers, like you said, the movie crowd.
As far as any chances we'd have against them consider these two possibilities:
No God; if a universe can spawn itself with all the bells and whistles, then usher in man at an evolutionary neck breaking speed and accuracy given outrageous ingenuity and earth shattering intelligence, the alien enemy will have her hands quite full. Yessir. God; if God made them and they're here to ding us, let them ding us, it won't matter. If they're here to help us, it won't matter. Things will be as things will be. Worst case, we grab a ship and crash it into their home world while drinking a martini. No big deal.
I can be funky, especially to funky aliens.
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Reverend Matthew
I'll take that ride!!!
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Etha L Moore
I cautiously agree with you...
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He Who Breathes
I respect your caution.
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Reverend Matthew
As do I, cuz if they're wrong we know what happens then and I'm not willing to drop my belief in God knowing the consequences!!!
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David Richard Procter
If anybody is interested, I have a beautiful bridge for sale.
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Dr. Zerpersande, NSC
And I’ve got this old book from the Bronze Age. It’s kind of an amalgam of myths from the Copper Age but, get this…. IT’S WRITTEN BY GOD!
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Lionheart
Oh no! 😱. Were the Mesolithic, or Neolithic, cultures involved?
At least their god, the Sun, turned out to be a real thing that actually showed itself every day. 🤭
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Rev. SolomonSaint
Our Father has created many species of life.
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Lionheart
Do you have some secret knowledge? Could it have been our Mother? What makes you think it was a male? What makes you think “it” created life?
If you are going to make claims, you have to support your claims with demonstrable evidence? Please don’t point to a book full of anecdotes, written by goat herders that didn’t know where the sun went at night. 🤭
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Alexander Arends
Things are not always what they seem to be. I think of all the things we swore would never exist sixty years ago and look at today. Anything is possible and we should be prepared to accept whatever true science presents us with.
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Najah P Tamargo
Minister Najah Tamargo USA
Well.....I guess this is where being SBNR comes in handy. I have believed all my life that we, as a society, are too arrogant. How can their be billions of planets and unknowns in space and NOT believe that there is other life forms out there? Space is endless, and so are the possibilities. The ULC is correct....."We are all children of the same UNIVERSE!"
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Pastor Jim
Pass the pop corn. 🍿
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Rev Mark D
Before you do that's that popcorn, check it for adulterants.
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It’s heresay.
He said he did not actually READ or SEE anything.
No written reports, secret USB, pictures or proof.
Only that someone working somewhere in classified wherever told him.
Additionally, how many times do these advanced civilizations need to probe human or animal nether areas before they reach a conclusion?
How are they so smart but haven’t made anti-crash technology?!? Heck, even we managed that in some of our vehicles.
I also guess they’re just arrogant as well to obviously, at this point, see that the people in charge here are very scary and violent towards the unknown but yet they keep letting themselves be seen by them. Lol
Guess they’re not smart enough like us to have stealth technology?!?
Gtfoh with this d&$@ stuff. Lol
Until some evidence and proof or anything tangible in some form is provided I’ll continue to think these people are unimaginative crackpots.
Think what you wish, and then when its proved factual as most of it already is, then you can enjoy being laughed at and put in the same category as the flat earthers
What proof?!? Heresay…probees?!?😂 Crop circles? Flying/Hovering cows?😂 Fast lights or weird clouds?!? 😂
Hardcore evidence…where?😂😂
How would I, a skeptic get put in the same place as a flat-earther?!?
I’m not on the fringe here…YOU and other alien believers are…right alongside with the flat-earthers?!?😂😂😂☠️
Cheese n crackers make it make sense.😂😂
Additionally, based off of how frothing mad you’ve gotten and that tangle of nonsense you’ve written from my initial comment…I understand your lack of logical thinking.
Let me hop on back to my 3rd Dimension dwelling before the Reptilians living in Paradise, California get me.😱😱😂😂
Nanu Nanu