In God We Trust? The Quest to Get God Off Our Money

REV. THEO KLEBES Interfaith Chaplin

I am 72 now but in my younger days and having a cocktail or 2 at the local pub, a sign hung over the old cash register that said "In God we trust, all others pay cash!" Now in this new tech age, I really don't handle much or anything in cash, it is pay the bills on line through my credit union or do all my regular purchases using my debit card. My debit card does not have anything on it but my bank name, my name, card#, exp. date. Now all I need to think about with my card slogan is "In my bank I trust I don't overdraft!"

Rev. Theo. ULC

Miranda Allison Young

Personally, I would never have put it on the money just because of the religious freedom we have in this country. I objected to putting under God in the Pledge of Allegance and refuse to say those words. I am a Christian, but I refuse to have any regligion shoved down my throat.

M

Miranda if you are a you should know that Christ says to go and spread the word, that means you need to to and prostrate His teaching, how can you be a Christian and ignore His wishes. Of course we are a land that was inspired and blessed by God and to ignore that unblesses us and if you are a Christian as you say you are, you should realize how important it is to live under the blessing of God. So then how can you object to having as much of God into your life as you can.

bri

The world is going to hell in a handbasket, with global warming, wars in the middle east, 4 million refugees, unprecedented storms ( look at washington and n carolina) and you worry about a few letters on coins and notes, Half of the americans can't read anyway so what does it matter.

Rev. Gary Shade

The establishment clause was meant to prevent our Federal Government from establishing a favored religion, from favoring one religion over another. Nothing in the establishment clause should be misconstrued as a prohibition on religion itself.

In Orden v. Perry 2005 the U.S. Supreme Court noted: " As we explained in Lynch v. Donnelly, 465 U. S. 668 (1984): "There is an unbroken history of official acknowledgment by all three branches of government of the role of religion in American life from at least 1789."

They also stated in the majority opinion " This case, like all Establishment Clause challenges, presents us with the difficulty of respecting both faces. Our institutions presuppose a Supreme Being, yet these institutions must not press religious observances upon their citizens." - See more at: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/545/677.html#sthash.gvlftlGl.dpuf

In this particular case, a monument on public property was allowed to stand.

In the case of money, no government institution is pressing any type of observance on the Godless individual. They are free to disagree which is also protect by the First Amendment.

James Pace

To give anyone the impression that America is a Christian nation is a lie...it would be better to advertise the freedom of religion...that's what I would rather be remembered for..being a free and tolerant nation.

Brother John

Much of the Christian uproar in the U.S., whether it be about inserting God onto currency, into schools (including text books), in/on government buildings, at public assemblies, from the mouths of politicians and more has, at it's root, the belief that the U.S. was founded as a "Christian Nation". This misconception may very well have been bolstered from those very sources, plus whatever was adopted through family and church. Here's a very well written article, complete with links to sources to verify the information isn't mere opinion, that makes it clear that the "founding fathers" had no intention of creating a Christian republic. It's also an excellent synopsis of how The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Articles of Confederation addressed religion.

Here's an excerpt quoting Thomas Jefferson…."The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding…."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/founding-fathers-we-are-n_b_6761840.html

Minister Paul

Minister Paul believes there is no practical reason to put this slogan on money. People should realize it's probably propaganda since no one really knows what anyone believes. It makes our country look better than others is the intent that is most likely.

Minister Paul

Minister Paul also says Who Cares? Is it hurting anyone to have the motto on our coin and currency?

wickedpa

I seriously doubt that any bill or coinage would spend any differently with or without " In God We Trust " stamped on it. If it was removed a little at a time I wonder if anyone would even notice.

RAY

My concern is for knowing what constitutes religion or spirituality or no religion or no spirituality as a premise for giving all equal opportunities without infringment. What if one of the afore mentioned groups doesn't have the moral stature to be concerned in the process.what or where do we get our laws of morality and equality from what is the scale of justice if not a group of ideas that stand us apart from the common thugs.we can see how society in the middle east has given men free reign to require the women to be covered infidel nonbelievers are nothing to them and if Mohamed is the spiritual point of destination why would I want to follow this peaceful man of Allah if he took sex slave that was 9 yrs old as wife and impregnated her.what possible reason would I have to find any enlightenment from this path or path that maintains less equality than the American version.what if the conservatives tried to put burkahs on all women and gays aND anyone who wasn't a white male.do you think the other powers in the world would accept us with the same open arms.I think not.Action and Inaction are not things of peace but of cowards not willing to voice or refusal to become a country run amok.I am no christian,muslim Catholic or atheist but I am spiritual and only recognize spirituality if it doesn't approve of those ho4ible things.just my opinion .lol

William Waugh

Perhaps, ( in "god" we trust ), would be suitable these days. --note the lower case and quote/unquote notation. --being flat out atheist is still a way minority position.

Michael Chaffee

WOW!...absolutely amazing to me how the topic of where the word G_D is or isn't constitutionally, and therefore correctly exhibited on U.S. currency.

Is anyone in America really being "forced" to pray to any form of G_D?

Since these complaints are most often from folks who don't actually believe in "G_D", then isn't the word "G_D" meaningless to them?

If someone doesn't believe in such a thing, then what are people so afraid of when they see it spelled out..hum?

The claim is that they shouldn't have to be reminded of a higher authority figure (as Americans) while they are holding on to their American currency.

The name G_D isn't even the correct name, it is purely symbolic and really only represents a gesture of good faith. Thus, it is the faith in G_D that seems to be objectionable.

Would it be better for us to place our "trust" in nothing beyond the accountability of ourselves? Isn't "thyself" the most addictive drug known to mankind?

Aren't we actually witnessing the early signs of "self authority" withdrawals, when we see such contempt exhibited for what is being claimed as meaningless, yet seems to mean so much more?

I realize that it must be overwhelmingly compelling to pick up that syringe and get another fix of "thyself" and no one should have to share that space in one's own psyche being held for one's very own self authority!

So...would we be better off, if we just turn our money over to these addicts?....LOL!

The crux of the matter is that some folks are evidently very uncomfortable with the word G_D, as it identifies with many of our human behaviors as being in conflict with morality.

Some folks want to have the right to not be reminded of a form of morality that is founded in religious beliefs, such as a monotheistic deity of higher authority, which is in direct conflict with the secular precepts of self authority...hum?

Some feel it's wrong, to be unwillingly exposed to, not just religion but a word that represents the confinement of one's own free thinking.

Actually in all fairness (as if that is even possible) these precepts of secular immorality are taking on the appearance of a belief system that believes in the religion of non-beliefs and arguing that their religious freedoms are being imposed upon by having to be reminded about a word for G_D on our common currency.

Of course all along while denying others the right to being reminded of a G_D influencing morality. The claim is that their right to not be reminded is more important than another person who shares the same ownership to a piece of currency.

To be exposed to believing or to not be exposed to believing in G_D in any form of shared Americana, isn't in conflict with what the founding fathers had intended when having added, The 1st Amendment of the Constitution.

That adoption of law specifically states;

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

In review of George Washington's Farewell Address he is quoted here;

"Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

Thus this founding father here explained that; "The adoption of the Constitution will demonstrate as visibly the finger of Providence as any possible event in the course of human affairs can ever designate it"

Thus the foundational pillars of our great nation are deeply embedded into the bedrock of a divine providence with spoken clearly, as the labored fingers of G_D was spoken of having had a hand in it's formation via the influences on G_D respecting men.

Whether one wishes to believe or not, that is a fact, which can't be denied.

Daniel Webster regarded the Constitution is this quote; "it almost appears a Divine interposition on our behalf "

Thus the idea of an authoritative G_D, not the word G_D is what is at the heart of this matter. We have allowed G_D to be kicked out of our public schools and look where this has gotten the public educational system?

In repealing the premise of higher authority and invoking self-authority as a societal way-point, aren't we forgetting something about man's history...hum?

Oh no worries, that's right history always comes back to repeat itself again and again and again!

Have a most blessed day.

Rev. Lyndon

Hey, I figured it out! Know how states have many choices of license plates? So let's have different currencies! We can print one for each major factor/group utilizing the same security measures we currently utilize! We have so many different bills now, what would it hurt? Peace for all!

Larry

God is in my life and always has been, shoved down your throat, I don't think so, but other religions are Like the Muslims. This country was founded on Christian values and it works for us, don't like it, ignore it or leave!

Qrez

"In God we trust" is a big f*** you to polytheist and religious systems that do not worship any gods specifically. It also points to clearly towards the jewdeo-christian tradition

It's also a bit ironic since I would argue Americans arguably should be using "in Mammon we trust" if they are being truly honest at least about the economic since Regan...

The best choice would be "In secular government we trust" because that is what has truly allowed religious diversity and freedom to flourish..

if you look at countries with a state religion that has typically stagnated religiosity more.

I mean Sweden actually is a "Christian nation" and they are almost all atheists :p

So basically if you want to kill God make Christianity a state religion...

Stephen Wehrenberg

I think money is our God.

Keith Redmon

The Constitution prohibits the promotion of one religion over another. The word "god" has been used to describe many and various dieties over the thousands of years that religions have been in existance. As long as no particular "god" or religion is referenced, it passes for me.

Elie Dormezil

Yes we want it on the money. America is In God We Trust.

Rev. Rob Nelson

In God We Trust has been on paper since the late 1800's and on the penny since 1909. This was a motto as a reminder that God is everywhere. If the motto has been there for over 2 centuries why change it now? Maybe we all should learn that we have freedoms that we take for granted everyday. The freedom of speech, religion, bear arms, and many more. So my answer to should the motto In God We Trust be removed from our currency NO. Why? It is a reminder that God is everywhere!!!!

Jim

I'm not really concerned about it. What I am concerned about is that Texas police cruisers have a cross on them!!!!!!!

Judy fruth

Listen up! This is MY opinion and only mine. I think that our money, as well as the many buildings that are built with "In God We Trust" on them, should be a message to all who live in the United States. It means more than just trusting in God. To me, it means that my God loves ALL peoples and all creations. Jesus died for ALL our sins, that means everybody, whether Christian or Atheist, and everyone in between.

Gene Evans

Our trust in God has helped make our country, and should be shown on our currency. These atheists are trying to force their lack of religion on us, they forget our forefathers had a deep faith in God. All of those who have given their lives for this country believing in God has given these people what they have now and the ability to be nonbelievers. In the long run they should be thankful to God.

Brother Peter

Worries about the "under God" wording of the Pledge of Allegiance are important because they impact school children. That said, when will the Church address the dominionist movement reprsented by Ted Cruz and others which wants to convert the United States into a biblical nation -- his view only, of course? See: http://www.religionnews.com/2016/02/04/ted-cruzs-campaign-fueled-dominionist-vision-america-commentary/

Anne 'Arie

I don't think that it should be taken away. Although it doesn't matter to me whether or not "In God We Trust" is on our money, I don't think people should get all up in the air about such things. Demanding that all references to things that are comforting to others be taken away seems spiteful to me. Regardless of whether they choose to admit it or not, everyone has a "God." My God is not some judgemental dude up in the sky pulling puppet strings to be blamed for everything that goes wrong on earth but an entity that lives within my own heart. My God within is the keeper of patience, love and forgiveness who helps me make the kind of daily decisions that keep me able to look at myself in the mirror.

Dominick Piaquadio

Even though my baseline is Catholicism, I feel that God should be removed from currency because God and money don't mix. Money (while it can do good applied towards a righteous cause) can be fuel for sinful acts. Money can create wars, spread diseases through prostitution, elect politicians who support immoral corporate practices, and further poverty due to a lot of people trying to fill a void that doesn't exist through consumerism. God is an enitity of Free Will and Love. Unless a person manipulates others by using God, God can spread hope, aid others in their time of need through charity, and teaches people to love and respect others regardless of their (lack of) faith. God unites people while money divides them, so should God be on currency? God shows unconditional love, while money instantly gratifies while you have it. Should God be represented as someone who loves you only if you have money? No. God is constant, money is a variable. Constant does not equal variable, therefore God does not equal currency.

Father Jim

As time goes by; children have less and less respect for their parents.and adults.This must be changed.Instead of arguing and worrying what is on our money; lets work with our children showing them respect , Love, right from wrong and caring for each other..

ben sherlock

God is in charge and always will be.Every one has to be to be wright that what causes wars and deaths..It not the least bit important.. My father is and always is forever !

Mike Reed

We live in a democracy, put it to a vote. Quite frankly I am sick and tired listening to this argument, let the majority rule.

Vickie Piper

I believe God has a place in everything! And as for putting time in our children!!!!! I grew up with a great mom. She has my respect. I raised 2 boys and I have their respect. What is written on money and raising our children have nothing to do with each other. It is up to the parents to raise their children with respect.

Dennis

Money is root of all evil, 1 Timothy 6:10King James Version (KJV)

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

if this to be held true, then why do we involve God on our money? seems hypocritical to do such a thing (according to the bible). This is not a christian nation, never was intended to be, one of the reasons we left England. People are allowed to worship their God in their own way, but separation of church and state define that the government can not endorse any religion, but we seem to be endorsing christianity, and that goes against our constitution. I think it should be removed from money and the pledge of allegiance (imo)

Claude Leonard

God is everywhere. If we start removing then He will stay away. God has always stay true to our choices and decisions. In God we rust should stay.

Cori C.

If our nation fully turns it's back on God...we are sure to be damned and will fall like Babylon

John M. Costanza

I am tired of the same old arguments concerning this issue. The same old school yard mentality of Ha Ha I win you lose. Even with the intelligent arguments supplied from both sides, the end result is still the same. If memory serves me well, the addition of these words to our money and Pledge, has been a relatively recent occurrence. This in it's self may be a surprise to some. I would rather some one explain when this happened, and more importantly why. Also the players involved with the change. Then and then only will I make a decision if these words should stay or go away. JC

I.S. Johnson

When Jesus entered Jerusalem he and Peter were stopped by Roman soldiers and asked to pay a tax. He asked Peter who's image was upon the coins of Rome and Peter replied Caesar's. Did he not then say 'give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and give unto God that which is God's?' The central document of the Christian Faith answers this question quite clearly. If you do not follow the tenants of Christ, Buddha and Krishna, all who spoke against the accumulation of material wealth as the worst degradation of the spirit, what will you follow? OUR CREATOR HAS NO USE FOR MONEY! OH MAN, PLACE NOT THY FAITH IN THIS PRESENT WORLD! We do not honor our creator by placing an ersatz name upon our coins. We honor our creator in our hearts and by our actions towards one another. Peace be with you.

p. woodard

If we don't continue to keep GOD in our forefront, the world will go to hell in a handbag! Clearly, that's what's happening now. To take God out of the mix. Out of the midst. Out of classrooms. Off money. To drop Him is horrendous and we will NEVER gain the type of love, harmony and world God intends us to have. God is the ONLY answer to ALL that is good and right. Allowing ANYBODY to take the meaning that God represents is an abomination.

Dennis Horvitz

Secularism is for grownups (and for those of us who, with varying degrees of success, are pretending to be).

Rev. Bryan P Bradford

The Atheist need to mind their own business and "In God We Trust" shall not be removed from any money!

DrTony

A real quick comment - the reason for putting "In God We Trust" on our codes and inserting "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance has nothing to do with faith and/or religion. Note the year in which these changes were made and think about what was taking place in this country (for those who jump to the conclusion, it was in the early 1950s and this country was dominated by a fear of communism - the changes were political in nature as a statement against the godless, communist menace). Do I want to take the phrases off? Considering the lifetime of coins and paper money, it's not worth the effort? Should we return the Pledge of Allegiance to its original state? On that, we again must turn to the reason why it is said in the first place (which, again, has nothing to do with what it's author intended. And by the way, the author of the Pledge of Allegiance was a Baptist minister.)

Elizabeth Hagan

We are a free nation so those who choose to believe in God should be allowed to keep In God we trust on currency. Those who do not believe are free to ignore it and can believe in whatever they so choose. I find it amazing though that when a tragedy hits, the people who don't believe in God say "Oh my God what happened?"

S miller

It truly does not matter what this atheist tries to do... God cannot be stopped...!!! He is God!!! And IN GOD WE TRUST!!! ✨❤️✨

Stephen Cooper

Leave it on the money

Dennis Horvitz

Some of you need to read the Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution.

Amendment I

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Carole Lynn Steiner

Unless these lunatics stop dissembling all that is meaningful to America, there will be nothing left! We must hold onto and treasure all that we, the overwhelming majority, hold dear, and we must stand up and speak up (constantly) to save our FREEDOMS. THIS is what should be taught in all the schools.

Rev. Howard Andersen

The problem I see with removing 'In GOD we Trust" is just another step in removing GOD from everything. I wonder if it would have been OK if it was allah instead.

Gerri

I think without GOD we are all lost ! Sometimes little reminders are need for people to remember what path they are on. Keep in mind-Everyone believes in a GOD & everyone is allowed to have their beliefs in there own GOD My faith is in my Heavenly Father & Jesus

M. Sullivan

It makes our coin different than other countries' coins. And, it's only on one side of the coin. If you don't want to read it, turn it over and read E Pluribus Unum, which means "out of many, one". Now, is that so tough to handle?We made one side for God-believers, which gives us hope, and one side for the non-believers and I don't know what gives them hope...maybe the stockmarket. Doesn't get more fair than that.

Walter Green

If it is acceptable to say "in God we trust" or "under God" in the pledge, it is a small added step to say which God. If you can say which God, then you can say that those who do not believe in that specific God are subject to penalties. I come from a family that fled France in the aftermath of the Saint Bartholemew's Day Massacres in which 10s of thousands of Protestant were slaughtered by Catholics in the 1500s because of how and which God they worshipped. Of course that could never happen in our United States. Fast forward to this century. In the 1970s I attended a national prayer breakfast event at which a military service chaplain called for the killing of Jews because "they had killed our Jesus" ... and the audience of officers and non-commissioned officers applauded. A very recent poll of voters shows that adherents to one major party in a just completed primary election were 60+% in favor of expelling Muslims from the United States. Regardless of how peaceful and accepting any religion is, the nature of religion is that my belief set is the true one, and that yours is not the true one. For those who have a deep seated pathological need to control others, that truth justifies whatever means are taken to grow the number of adherents to the truth and diminish the number who do not agree. When government uses religious statements to further enhance its power, the result is what we have seen throughout 4000 years of history, wars, massacres, pogroms, burnings at the stake, ethnic cleansing, extermination campaigns, etc., etc., all in the name of religious purity. Government in any country serves its citizens best when it is not in the God business, and allows matters of religion to be conducted in freedom by individuals who respect each other in a free civil society.

cmdsgtmajor

Leave the money alone, who cares if it says "In God We Trust". It's been that way for over 240 years, give or take. As for the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance; say it or don't say, no one is really going to know and if someone does, they probably won't care. We are pledging allegiance to our country, saying the phrase "Under God" is the Christian's hope that God will do something to help. I believe God exist, but I don't believe he interferes with the affairs of man.

Italia Patterson

Yes we are tolerant of all views. With or without the support of those who do not believe in God as all knowing, all powerful and all forgiving, God is and always has been everywhere. Be committed to ones own personal truth and through Jesus Christ our savior know that through these trials and tribulations,God is here in us with us around us unwavering. This is also my commitment to our fellow man to stand strong against these opposing forces. In God We "do" Trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave Redix

I see no reason to remove these references from our money.

TigerMoon2

It makes me crazy that so many people really believe gods are real. I'm 66, but even if I live to be 100 I'll never understand how so many ADULTS all over this planet that's hurtling through space at 67,000 mph in it's orbit around the sun that is the center of our solar system, one of billions in the Milky Way Galaxy, which is only one galaxy among trillions in the universe, can believe gods are real. Buy you books, send you to school, all for nothing. Maybe you just need to get out of the house and travel around more. Or just stop and think about it objectively for a minute, maybe two, but that's all it should take, really. At the very least, quit fighting over things which do not exist. It only makes you look like a fool.

Bill

God is God money is money, both are necessary for survival.

j hudson aka Templar Saint

Well it does not make the money worth more.....the vast majority of people don't notice anyway......this issue would clog our politics , leave it alone.

jacobwaltz

The god they speak of on the worthless federal reserve notes happens to be the god of the jews, moloch. Moloch is just as worthless as federal reserve notes, and the one true GOD of this universe couldn't care less about what you think is valuable. Only GOD IS valuable.

Rick Bernardi

Tell Mr Newdow that the word could be interpreted as an acronym for "good orderly direction" and he might be getting all worked up for nothing."In good orderly direction we trust". Now that shouldn't be too difficult to accept.

jhelms

I strongly believe that these words should appear on our coins. This motto dates back almost a century and a half before it appeared on all of our currency in the 1950s.

The words "In God We Trust" first appeared in the original words of the Star Spangled Banner written in 1814 by Frances Scott Key. They appear in the seldom sung and little known 4th verse of our national anthem. "then conquer we must, when our cause is just, And this our motto be:'In God is our Trust."

It was exactly 50 years later that they first appeared on the bronze two-cent piece minted in 1864. The Mint Director from 1863, James Pollock, former Governor and Congressman from Pennsylvania recommended it be added to all currency during the first year of the Civil War. The recommendation originally came from Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase. "The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins," Chase told the mint director.

George Washington's Prayer is an inspiration to our nation. In it, he asked God to: "dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation." Later he wrote in his Farewell Address, this advice to his fellow citizens "Religion and morality" were the "great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizens." "National morality," he added, could not exist "in exclusion of religious principle." "Virtue or morality," he concluded, as the products of religion, were "a necessary spring of popular government."

I believe that both what I written and quoted above and below are evidence that our forefathers intended that our trust be in God to lead this nation.

Washington also said, "“It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.” "True religion affords to government its surest support."

James Madison said "Religion is the basis and Foundation of Government."

Benjamin Franklin said, "I believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel”

Furthermore, The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” – United States Congress 1782

By Law the United States Congress adds to US coinage:

“In God We Trust” – United States Congress 1864

“The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.” – Benjamin Rush

“Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.” – Benjamin Franklin

“I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law … There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations.” – Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, Harvard Speech, 1829

“Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation” – United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

“We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.” – James Madison

“Religion [is] the basis and foundation of Government” – James Madison

O LORD, OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, high and mighty King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, who dost from Thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth, and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the kingdoms, empires and governments; look down in mercy we beseech Thee, on these American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor, and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring henceforth to be dependent only on Thee; to Thee they have appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support which Thou alone canst give; take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious design of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their cause; and if they persist in their sanguinary purpose, O let the voice of Thy own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle! Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the counsels of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation, that the scene of blood may be speedily closed, that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety prevail and flourish among Thy people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them, and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world, and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, Our Savior. Amen.

– First Prayer in Congress September 7, 1774, Jacob Duche, Carpenters Hall, Philadelphia

Mistydawn Carter

Over the course of reading these comments again for the second time today got me thinking again about why the nation as a whole is at each other's throats over a small phrase. People in communities tend to bicker and fight over who is right in their beliefs when they would rather ignore the real reason why they refuse the change. The one constant in every life. Change is unavoidable in any religion or lack thereof. And it is, of course, what keeps us in chaos. The real question isn't should it be kept but why does it threaten someone to have it changed? I for one understand the seeming need to keep it. It has been the symbol of American pride and trust for decades. It does not just hit the religious with the instant blow to the gut.

Jim

I cannot believe I wasted my afternoon reading this thread. Good grief people, our world has bigger problems than this....

Robert E McCallum

Ever see a banker with a button that says "in God we trust"? ever seen a bank with that logo? Now do you understand? Peace

Mistydawn Carter

friends and neighbors (this does not mean just blood relatives And people in you immediate communities

Mistydawn Carter

, we will forever be struggling to be free from the fear of change

Rev. Bill

We have always been a nation founded on God's pricipals, With all the continuing insanity going on in our world, we all need him ever present now, possibly as much as ever. In God we CAN trust!

LFoster

Leave it on. The word "God" doesn't apply to only Jesus, Yahweh, or Allah, among all the names for God. Whenever I see a coin, usually a penny, on the ground I pick it up not. I do so not because of the value of the money but because of the phrase. It is a reminder to me that God does provide our daily needs (not necessarily our daily wants). And one of the ways that can be done in this time and culture and place is through the use of money. Leave it on.

Edward Jennings

It seems like one more thing just to cause a stir. If something as small as this topic can offend someone maybe some counseling first then a lawyer.

Reverend Daniel H. Fenner II

I have always been an advocate of removing this from our money. We all believe in our own unique version of how we see God. Jesus said "Then give the things of Caesar And the things to God to God. It was added to our paper money in starting in 1957 over Mccarthy and his unrealistic fear of communism that ruined some many lives and careers. Even though our coins as early as April 22, 1864 on the one cent and two cent coins. We all have free will to believe what we want to, but we do not have the right in this country to impose our beliefs on others. This is already the case of the religious Christian right in the US. I am open to all religions. In the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ which tells us that his early life was spent learning for the masters of the far east. God Bless and Be Well!

Kingsley chimtuwa luke

Only thing I know about this is weather or not, we have no right to judge God in this case because if God did not allow this money to come in issitant it won't be, so I think every country on earth has a particular money which they all use, so Amirecan US dallor shouldn't be the only evil money why others are good once no, so we must live this issue in the hands of God to handle thanks

Eddy Kat

From an Interpersonal or Organizational Communications stand point, the phrase "E Pluribus Unum" is a far more beneficial phrase. In God We Trust is extremely divisive. And given the natures and concepts of the Christian Divine, A Divided Kingdom CANNOT Stand. This is DIVINE MANDATE. (Matt 12:25) The idea "Of Many, One" is the same principal as the Bride of Christ. If this truly were a Spiritual debate vs. Socio-Religious Political Policy then the answer, at least to me, is clear.

"God Money, I'll do anything for You." "God Money, just tell me what You want me to." "God Money, nail me up against a wall." "God Money, don't want everything, He wants it all."

-Nine inch Nails "Head Like a Hole"

Juandreta D, Donald

God has a place everywhere. In God We Trust is the foundation of this country. I believe that if this country was not founded in His trust we would not be the must power country in the world.

Minister Anthony

Despite the fact that over half of our founding fathers were Anglican (i.e., Church of England), they were quite clear that the government shall not establish a religion.

Yet, in 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Dwight Eisenhower – recently baptized as a Presbyterian – encouraged Michigan Republican Charles Oakman to re-introduce a bill which Congress passed – adding the words, “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance. Two years later Eisenhower made “In God we Trust” our Nation’s official motto which then found its way onto our currency.

When John Kennedy ran for president in 1960, many were obsessed with his Catholic faith. They believed that, if Kennedy was elected, the Pope would be telling him how to run the country. Today the GOP presidential candidates try to “out Christian” each other as they court the Evangelicals. That endorsement will come with strings attached. At the same time they talk about what our founding fathers intended, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. You can’t have it both ways.

A majority of Americans subscribe to the concept of a Supreme Entity. Whether they all pray to the same Entity is a matter of endless debate, but they have different names for that Entity: God, Yahweh, Jehovah, Buddha, Allah. The characteristics attributed to that Entity also differ. There are also atheists and agnostics. So if the US is a melting pot, why would we single out one name to use as our motto and adorn our currency?

Rev John

Wow James Pace, you seem to be tolerant of any view but the Christian view. Then you hide behind ULC. Seems to be no depth there at all.At least come up with something else to say.Typical liberal view, I tolerant everything but what you believe.

John

The word GOD has such a broad spectrum of meaning to many different cultures and beliefs. I have stood in defense of this country and our freedoms. My GOD belongs on our currency. The only god those that want it off of our currency have, is the one they have there head up and the oxygen deprivation they are suffering from!

James Pace

I'm completely tolerant of someone being Christian...just don't push it on me....what someone's religion is no business of mine just like anyone else's religion is nobody's business...it's a personal choice...but if you don't want someone to push their religion on you then don't push yours on them....that's just mutual respect...

Eddie Daniel

Everyone has their own idea about the church and the states involvement, I believe that their should be a more definite line drawn between the two. As much as I believe, and as strong as my faith is, I honestly don't see where the fact that we trust in our creator should be displayed on a federal reserve note. Not to offend (we are all too easily offended) but don't you all think we have MUCH more pressing worries. The notes may be no good before long anyway!

Gerard McCloskey

I think the atheist and liberals have ruined God in our country. We need God more then ever in our lives today they we ever had. "In God We Trust" should stay on our money forever.

Lyn

It is too bad that this issue is advanced by atheists. Really, how often do we look at what is on our money? But as a principle, a better argument for taking any reference to God off our "filthy lucre" is a general statement that money is the root of all evil. Never more relevant in this country than now. The fact is, both Democrats and Republicans are trying to reframe our country as a very mixed melting pot. And, further, "God" presumes a male deity when many of us relate to a female "Goddess." E Pluribus Unum, from many come one, is almost negated when defining our country as a Christian nation. And I would argue that the founding of this nation was based more on lack of representation in England, incredibly high taxation, and a will for self determination. The irony is that the Pilgrims came here for religious freedom, but they were notorious for doing really nasty things to Quakers, Jews and, God forbid, Catholics. They indulged in the belief that God favored them and they had a right to be as awful to other religions as they wished. Some heritage that is!!!

Rev John

The problem with your outlook is that the United States was formed by Christian men for Christian men. The signing of the Declaration of Independence was signed by no less than 14 clergymen. There wasn,t one Hindu, or Muslim or Buddist involved in the process. This is a Christian nation fought for and founded by Christian men.Unlike the Muslim nation that forces everyone to be Muslim.I have lived all of my life in this country and no one has ever shoved anything down my throat.It'simple, if you don't like it here, leave. The way I understand it, they try to keep people from sneaking in, but no one keeps you from leaving. Try Iran or Pakistan or Syria or Saudi I understand they are really tolerant of people that want choice, Have fun.

DrTony

Reverend John, Just out of curiosity, where did you get the number that the Declaration of Independence was signed by no less than 14 clergy? I found one site that said 4 were clergy (with several being the sons of clergy), another site said that 23 were clergy, and a third that said there was only 1 clergy (though there were a couple who would be considered retired; this site also indicated that there may have been confusion about this because of where some of the signers went to college).

And since you wrote that this is a Christian nation for Christian women, what happens to Christian women and minorities?

In the end, most of the signers may have been identified as Christian, it may have been more of a public thing rather than a private faith. After all, you were pretty much barred from society if you weren't a part of the state supported church (and each state supported a church).

Jerri

God has the right to be in and on anything and everything

Sister Donna Brendle-Parrish

I see no single colors/races, religions, monies, countries, and the like - I see us all equal in our Father's eyes and in His heart! I am here to serve others wherever I am, whoever I am with, to whatever ability I can, and to aid/help any that no not of the Father, or use my life as enample to help them, to show and tell them where to seek what they need, and where and how to acquire life in eternity. I will treat all as my brothers and sisters, no matter if are stranger, family or friend. 'Give to Caesar what is his, and give to the Father what is His' - so no money from any country matters not to me, is just an object - paper or metal - to sustain in the world....all other is for the service of the Father. Every religion, country, beliefs are important to each in the place they're born or lived....people 'move' constantly....so each have different of all aforementioned things - thus leading to each having their own beliefs, even the Father has different names/titles depending on 'where you're from'....but do for ALL, and think not if is right or wrong - the Father will do the judging, or changing up of a person or country, or whatever He chooses to do for/to each of us. Love, helping, charity - so great these all are - esp. the last. So join not 'groups' for bickering and backlashing of all the rights and wrongs - years and years pass, and much changes everywhere the world over - from year one until now....ex.- picked up a Webster's Dictionary the other day and 'Jesus' was not in it - taken aback yes, but offended no....Webster's soul is not my to speak or judge on....Just love them....moving on. I want my life to lead me to Heaven and the Father - and loving all and helping, even through my own pain and sorrows, this is my attainable goal. I love you all brothers and sisters, let's live in happiness and harmony one with another. In His Name we always pray! Sister Donna

Pastor P.

E Pluribus Unum- Says much more about us, as a nation, as a "Body Politic", and as servants of a Higher Power. I fear we are "Preying" on God, rather than, "Praying" on God. What the neo-framers want to do is against the constitution they swear to uphold! When we see our similarities, not or differences, then we will be One Out Of Many!

Rev. Niblett

The Love For Money Is The Root To Evil

Dennis Horvitz

Secularism is for grownups.

I.S. Johnson

Most kind Brother John. The beauty of my belief is in the simplicity of the knowledge that I have no need to convince others of what I have come to understand. Each here will find you already know these same things in time. Time is an illusion necessary to this material plane. As humans must think in a linear format. As to dimensions there are 8 in this solar system, one for each planet. Third Planet three dimensions. There are, I am sure, a great number more in the universe. I prefer to think of myself as spiritual as opposed to secular. My ultimate goal is to be released from this meat suit and get off of this rock. I have been here a long time and it is dreadfully repetitive in nature. I am stubborn in nature and this seems to be a difficulty. Carry on Bravely.

DJ

It seems a waste of time & money to debate this issue. As a society, we are moving away from a currency based system - toward a paperless anyway. How often does one read paper money, other than to distinguish one amount from another? To make any changes would not seem cost effective or productive in any way. With due respect to all beliefs - God is universal & to deny the existence of God, one must believe there is an entity to deny in the first place. I wonder if you went to another country & wanted to change their currency, how well received you would be? To quote an old saying: "If it ain't broke - don't fix it." if you don't like it, donate it to the poor & needy.

JO-ANN

I was referring to the scriptures regarding woman....and, the HI FIVES you received... GOD BLESS...BROTHER JOHN.....we are on the same side..i believe that you believe in being on the side of good as well....whatever your path...AND, THAT IS THE BATTLE

Paulene Adams

I think that in order to ensure the religious freedom of everyone we need to remove any religious reference or practice from government and govermental property. This is what our founders intended. Let us keep our faith in the churches and in our homes and leave the government to do what it is supposed to do. Let us teach morality at home.

Rev. Orlando Hernandez

Does it really matter. This nation has greater issue then what is stamped on the currencies. We have to worry about bring God and morality back to the nation. That now has become the world leader as being a godless nation.

XaurreauX

Secularism is for grownups.

Bill

This was a very good read and really makes you realize how many differing opinions are out ther. Here's mine. In God We Trust, already on our money. Money is the root of all evil, but we need it to survives our daily lives, So. Leave it where it has been for a long time, Maybe by chance someone will read it and, realize that there is a God we can trust in, and maybe lead them to Christ. Sound far fethched? Simple words or sentences, have changed many lives.

Pat

I am an unbiased evangelical atheist. I despise all religions equally. By all means believe what you want as long as it doesn't harm others. Now that our buffoon of a leader has instituted a muslim ban, just how would you feel if it was say a ban on baptists? Or say Catholics? Not nice eh? That's the direction we're headed. Maybe the Jews are next. Its 1930s Germany all over again if we allow it to happen. Its why we need true separation of church and state. Identifying as a nation of any particular religion leads to religious wars. It also in the minds of some fanatics gives the right to persecute other fringe religions. Maybe its time we grew up and stopped judging people by their religious beliefs but on how they conduct themselves as human beings. In the meantime my permanent black marker works just fine. Enough people join me and at some point the argument will be mute.

Dennis Horvitz

I'm with you, Pat.

Local Resident

Whether they take it off or not I could careless because I use plastic. Besides, all the whiny believers will start crying because their invisible god is taken off our currency.